RE: [cayugabirds-l] Additional freezing info

[Linda Post Van Buskirk]

I wonder for how long.  The lake can skim over with a sharp dip in temp, and 
then winds break up the ice.  When we went down to the lakeshore Saturday 
morning (we're just north of the village of Aurora), the shore was covered with 
shards of ice, clear as glass-and then the water was indeed frozen over, but 
just a thin sheet, about 100 yards out.

From: bounce-112541225-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-112541225-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Fast
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:19 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Additional freezing info

A. R. Cahn in "The freezing of Cayuga Lake in its relation to bird life".  Auk 
29:437-444 reports that the lake was completely frozen over in 1796, 1816, 
1826, 1856, 1875, 1884, 1904, and 1912.  A couple of these were thought due to 
volcanic eruptions in other parts of the world.

Steve Fast
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[cayugabirds-l] pair o Brown-headed Cowbirds--Freeville

[Anne Clark]

9 Feb 14
In contrast with the ongoing discussions of lakes freezing,  a pair of 
Brown-headed Cowbirds (as in one male, one female) arrived twice to my feeders 
at 147 Hile School Road.  My observations were separated by about 3 hours and 
both birds were there both times. 

They were of course, very fluffed and looked a lot heftier than their summer 
selves.  

The other feeder birds were our regulars: a male Red-bellied Woodpecker, a 
female Hairy Woodpecker, a passel of Black-capped Chickadees, one Tree Sparrow 
and 2-3 Mourning Doves.  (The feeder went unfilled 9 Jan til Saturday, so these 
were the alert locals). 

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[cayugabirds-l] lansing roadside birding

[Kenneth V. Rosenberg]

This morning I drove several roads in Lansing, looking for open country birds. 
Highlights were on Buck Rd:  at #648, west of Van Nostrand Rd., I was surprised 
to see a YELLOW-BELLIED SAPSUCKER hanging on a frozen apple in the crown of a 
heavily laden tree -- it eventually dropped off and flew in bounding flight 
over my head into the woods on the south side of the road. A little further 
along, near corner with Cobb St. a large flock of AM TREE SPARROWS was in a 
weedy field, with birds teed up on the frozen seed heads -- on a single scan I 
counted 160 sparrows. Among them was a single immature WHITE-CROWNED SPARROW, 
and several JUNCOS. Later on Cobb St., just south of Buck, a farmer was 
spreading that wonderful manure on the snow field, and there were about 200 
SNOW BUNTINGS, 40 HORNED LARKS, and a single LAPLAND LONGSPUR.

It was quite birdy throughout that area, with hundreds of CEDAR WAXWINGS in 
trees far to the north of East Lansing Rd., several COM RAVENS flying about 
calling and a nice dark-morph ROUGH-LEGGED HAWK.

(if anyone has a reliable shrike close to Ithaca, please let me know)

KEN


Ken Rosenberg
Conservation Science Program
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Additional freezing info

[Dave Nutter]

That looks like Cayuga Lake froze completely at intervals of 20, 10, 30, 19, 9, 20, and 8 years between when the white settlers arrived and when that article was published in 1912. It would be surprising if there were then a gap of over a century.--Dave NutterOn Feb 09, 2014, at 09:18 PM, Susan Fast  wrote:A. R. Cahn in "The freezing of Cayuga Lake in its relation to bird life".  Auk 29:437-444 reports that the lake was completely frozen over in 1796, 1816, 1826, 1856, 1875, 1884, 1904, and 1912.  A couple of these were thought due to volcanic eruptions in other parts of the world.Steve Fast--Cayugabirds-L List Info:Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives:The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird!--
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[cayugabirds-l] Compost gulls--Iceland, Glaucous, possible Thayer's

[Jay McGowan]

Just a quick note, don't have time to go into more detail, but among the
gulls at the compost today were a 2nd-cycle type GLAUCOUS (all plain
white), two nice frosty 1st-cycle ICELAND, and a darker Iceland-type that
may well have been a 1st-cycle THAYER'S, although I thought it looked on
the pale end at the time.

Photos here, although a little washed out:
https://plus.google.com/photos/37855303614931880/albums/5954443926503892769/5978584978027729938?pid=5978584978027729938&oid=37855303614931880

And here is a link to Garrett MacDonald's photos:
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S16862556

At East Shore in the afternoon Dave and Gary had a young Glaucous and I
picked out a nice adult Iceland on the ice.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over

[Liisa S. Mobley]

Hi everyone
Thank you for all of the stimulating
and informative answers!
Ice is interesting.  My favorite ice image this year was the snowy owl at 
Stewart Park gently bobbing up and down on a small chunk of ice at dusk.
-Liisa

Liisa Mobley

On Feb 9, 2014 6:30 PM, Tom  wrote:
Linda,

Didn't the Lake actually freeze from shore to shore @ Aurora in '78-'79 when 
Sissy Farenthold declared it so & cancelled Wells classes?

And Ms Mobley,
A short answer to why Seneca & Cayuga don't freeze easily is that they are 
examples of the "surface area to volume" problem.  Although their absolute 
depth isn't as great as the Great Lakes, their shape means their surface area 
is small compared to their depth and volume.  Since heat is lost thru the 
surface, they don't cool as fast as lakes w/ larger relative surfaces areas.  
In addition, they both lie in a general NW-SE orientation, with a long "fetch" 
to the prevailing NW winds, which keep the water stirred up.  When they do  
freeze, it's most likely after a series of very clear, very calm nights, when 
cold water (>4 C) can accumulate and freeze on the surface.  Once there's 
enough ice to resist break-up when winds resume, the lake will remain frozen 
with ice and 0 C water at the top and 4 C water all the way to the bottom.

Physical limnology is very "cool"!

Tom Vawter


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Linda Post Van Buskirk  wrote:
>
> As of noon today, Cayuga was pretty much frozen from Chris's hill north.  
> Chris's hill is the big rise north of Levanna, if one doesn't know local 
> names.  South of that, the lake was a combination of frozen patches and open 
> patches.  This is the most ice I've seen since 1994, and then it didn't last, 
> since 1994 was windy, though it was also cold.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-112539549-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-112539549-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel
> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:29 AM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over
>
> The full answer about the reluctance of Cayuga and especially Seneca to 
> completely freeze over is a bit complicated, but a primer on the physical 
> limnology can be read here:
>
> http://www.gflrpc.org/Publications/SenecaLakeWMP/chap6a.pdf
>
> -Geo Kloppel
>
>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 7:20 AM, "Liisa S. Mobley"  wrote:
>>
>> There's been a bit of discussion about the Finger Lakes freezing over, as 
>> well as the Great Lakes, on the Cayuga Birds list in recent weeks.  I came 
>> across this article from one of the channel 9 (Syracuse) weathermen, which 
>> indicates that the Great Lakes, as of last Friday, had more than 79% of 
>> their surface area frozen.
>>> Great Lakes Freezing Over: Dave Eichorn's Blog http://bit.ly/1gcubdX
>>
>> Where do all the birds go?  Lake Ontario is only about half frozen, so maybe 
>> they go there.
>>
>> You'll notice in the photo that Cayuga and Seneca are not frozen.  Not
>> sure why they don't freeze over, too.  And, no, they are not deeper
>> than the Great Lakes, except for Erie.  (This is kind of bugging me,
>> so let me know if you have a good answer!) -Liisa
>>
>> Liisa Mobley
>> Sent from my iPhone
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[cayugabirds-l] Additional freezing info

[Susan Fast]

A. R. Cahn in "The freezing of Cayuga Lake in its relation to bird life".  Auk 
29:437-444 reports that the lake was completely frozen over in 1796, 1816, 
1826, 1856, 1875, 1884, 1904, and 1912.  A couple of these were thought due to 
volcanic eruptions in other parts of the world.

Steve Fast

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[cayugabirds-l] Lake Freezing

[Tom]

Linda,

Didn't the Lake actually freeze from shore to shore @ Aurora in '78-'79 when 
Sissy Farenthold declared it so & cancelled Wells classes?

And Ms Mobley,
A short answer to why Seneca & Cayuga don't freeze easily is that they are 
examples of the "surface area to volume" problem.  Although their absolute 
depth isn't as great as the Great Lakes, their shape means their surface area 
is small compared to their depth and volume.  Since heat is lost thru the 
surface, they don't cool as fast as lakes w/ larger relative surfaces areas.  
In addition, they both lie in a general NW-SE orientation, with a long "fetch" 
to the prevailing NW winds, which keep the water stirred up.  When they do  
freeze, it's most likely after a series of very clear, very calm nights, when 
cold water (<4 C) can accumulate and freeze on the surface.  Once there's 
enough ice to resist break-up when winds resume, the lake will remain frozen 
with ice and 0 C water at the top and 4 C water all the way to the bottom.

Physical limnology is very "cool"!

Tom Vawter

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[cayugabirds-l] Lake Freezing

[Tom]

Lake-source cooling doesn't add significant heat to the lake, even when it's 
running in the summer (something like the equivalent of 4 hrs of sunlight over 
a year).

Cayuga Lake froze from shore to shore @ Aurora (the widest point) in '78-'79, 
when what was then Milliken Station was operating full-bore, not in the 
attenuated state it's operated now.

Let's keep our perspective (and honesty) in our rants.

Tom Vawter

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[cayugabirds-l] Sunday Excursion to Dories for Lunch

[bob mcguire]

At the urging of our food column editor, Steve Fast, I led a small group of 
bird club members on a trip up the lake to Dories (Aurora) for lunch. Good 
food, good prices, and we found a few good birds along the way.

There were gulls on the ice off East Shore Park, but they were mostly hunkered 
down and facing us, so we were unable to turn any white-winged gulls. At Ladoga 
we got good looks at the diverse flock of ducks, including Canvasback, Redhead, 
Ring-necked, and both Scaups. There were Common Goldeneye and a couple of 
Long-tailed Ducks offshore but no grebes in sight. 

We then detoured through the farm fields in north Lansing and into Genoa where 
we came upon a cooperative flock of Snow Buntings (150), Horned Larks (15), and 
two Lapland Longspurs. Sad for me to say, but we also ran into a successful 
coyote-hunting party on Mahaney Road. 

We jogged over to Indian Field Road where we found two Snowy Owls, one atop a 
light pole, the other on a dairy barn. We passed the Lab/campus shuttle heading 
south, and couldn't help wondering how they missed the turn when heading out 
from Corson/Mudd Hall. They had just seen the owls and seemed quite content.

>From the boathouse in Aurora we scanned the lake and picked out a couple of 
>Horned Grebes and White-winged Scoters along with the usual Goldeneye and 
>Buffleheads. Finally, just after noon, we made it to Dories, warmed up, had a 
>great lunch, and headed back. Out last stop was along the road just north of 
>Long Point State Park to look more closely at a pair of Tundra Swans. While 
>there, Jason picked out a distant grebe that turned out to be a Red-necked 
>Grebe, swimming with a few Horned Grebes. Just as I write this I received an 
>email from Jason Huck who remained behind after we left Long Point. He found 
>an additional group of close-in White-winged Scoters and fifteen Horned 
>Grebes. All together, not bad for a cold mid-winter day.


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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Yeah, global warming is happening alright, you just have to look around.  
According to the arctic weather web site
http://www.athropolis.com/temperature/coldreport2.php
due north of us in Nunavut is cold, but Barrow, Alaska has been consistently 
warmer than Ithaca for weeks, and is currently ten degrees F above us.  
Hammerfest, Norway and Murmansk, Russia are warmer than we are, and Tiski and 
Pevek, Russia on the Arctic Ocean in Siberia are over 54 degrees F!!!  Siberia 
in the 50s in February?  That's just wrong.

Kevin



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From: bounce-112540398-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-112540398-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Carl Steckler
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 4:14 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over

With both Miliken Station ( or what ever it is called now) and the Cornell lake 
source cooling adding warm water it almost impossible for the lake to 
completely freeze over, there will always be some open water. It really is just 
a matter of how much. Also for the record, having lived in the area except from 
1966- 1972, since 1948 and  I have never seen the lake completely freeez over 
even in the mid 1980s when we had -20 weather for two weeks.

Besides, were supposed to be having "Global Warming" aren't we? :?) Carl 
Steckler

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over

[Geo Kloppel]

My grandmother's photo album contains some photos of the famous 1912 Seneca 
Lake freeze-over. Hasn't happened again since then.

-Geo Kloppel

On Feb 9, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Ann Mitchell  wrote:

> My understanding is that the lake completely froze over was 1912. If someone 
> has a different date, that would be great! Ann
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Linda Post Van Buskirk  wrote:
>> 
>> As of noon today, Cayuga was pretty much frozen from Chris's hill north.  
>> Chris's hill is the big rise north of Levanna, if one doesn't know local 
>> names.  South of that, the lake was a combination of frozen patches and open 
>> patches.  This is the most ice I've seen since 1994, and then it didn't 
>> last, since 1994 was windy, though it was also cold.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: bounce-112539549-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
>> [mailto:bounce-112539549-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel
>> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:29 AM
>> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over
>> 
>> The full answer about the reluctance of Cayuga and especially Seneca to 
>> completely freeze over is a bit complicated, but a primer on the physical 
>> limnology can be read here:
>> 
>> http://www.gflrpc.org/Publications/SenecaLakeWMP/chap6a.pdf
>> 
>> -Geo Kloppel
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 7:20 AM, "Liisa S. Mobley"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There's been a bit of discussion about the Finger Lakes freezing over, as 
>>> well as the Great Lakes, on the Cayuga Birds list in recent weeks.  I came 
>>> across this article from one of the channel 9 (Syracuse) weathermen, which 
>>> indicates that the Great Lakes, as of last Friday, had more than 79% of 
>>> their surface area frozen.  
 Great Lakes Freezing Over: Dave Eichorn's Blog http://bit.ly/1gcubdX
>>> 
>>> Where do all the birds go?  Lake Ontario is only about half frozen, so 
>>> maybe they go there.
>>> 
>>> You'll notice in the photo that Cayuga and Seneca are not frozen.  Not 
>>> sure why they don't freeze over, too.  And, no, they are not deeper 
>>> than the Great Lakes, except for Erie.  (This is kind of bugging me, 
>>> so let me know if you have a good answer!) -Liisa
>>> 
>>> Liisa Mobley
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over

[Carl Steckler]

With both Miliken Station ( or what ever it is called now) and the 
Cornell lake source cooling adding warm water it almost impossible for 
the lake to completely freeze over, there will always be some open 
water. It really is just a matter of how much. Also for the record, 
having lived in the area except from 1966- 1972, since 1948 and  I have 
never seen the lake completely freeez over even in the mid 1980s when we 
had -20 weather for two weeks.


Besides, were supposed to be having "Global Warming" aren't we? :?)
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over

[Ann Mitchell]

My understanding is that the lake completely froze over was 1912. If someone 
has a different date, that would be great! Ann

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> On Feb 9, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Linda Post Van Buskirk  wrote:
> 
> As of noon today, Cayuga was pretty much frozen from Chris's hill north.  
> Chris's hill is the big rise north of Levanna, if one doesn't know local 
> names.  South of that, the lake was a combination of frozen patches and open 
> patches.  This is the most ice I've seen since 1994, and then it didn't last, 
> since 1994 was windy, though it was also cold.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-112539549-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-112539549-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel
> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:29 AM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over
> 
> The full answer about the reluctance of Cayuga and especially Seneca to 
> completely freeze over is a bit complicated, but a primer on the physical 
> limnology can be read here:
> 
> http://www.gflrpc.org/Publications/SenecaLakeWMP/chap6a.pdf
> 
> -Geo Kloppel
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 7:20 AM, "Liisa S. Mobley"  wrote:
>> 
>> There's been a bit of discussion about the Finger Lakes freezing over, as 
>> well as the Great Lakes, on the Cayuga Birds list in recent weeks.  I came 
>> across this article from one of the channel 9 (Syracuse) weathermen, which 
>> indicates that the Great Lakes, as of last Friday, had more than 79% of 
>> their surface area frozen.  
>>> Great Lakes Freezing Over: Dave Eichorn's Blog http://bit.ly/1gcubdX
>> 
>> Where do all the birds go?  Lake Ontario is only about half frozen, so maybe 
>> they go there.
>> 
>> You'll notice in the photo that Cayuga and Seneca are not frozen.  Not 
>> sure why they don't freeze over, too.  And, no, they are not deeper 
>> than the Great Lakes, except for Erie.  (This is kind of bugging me, 
>> so let me know if you have a good answer!) -Liisa
>> 
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over

[Linda Post Van Buskirk]

As of noon today, Cayuga was pretty much frozen from Chris's hill north.  
Chris's hill is the big rise north of Levanna, if one doesn't know local names. 
 South of that, the lake was a combination of frozen patches and open patches.  
This is the most ice I've seen since 1994, and then it didn't last, since 1994 
was windy, though it was also cold.

-Original Message-
From: bounce-112539549-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-112539549-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Geo Kloppel
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:29 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over

The full answer about the reluctance of Cayuga and especially Seneca to 
completely freeze over is a bit complicated, but a primer on the physical 
limnology can be read here:

http://www.gflrpc.org/Publications/SenecaLakeWMP/chap6a.pdf

-Geo Kloppel

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> There's been a bit of discussion about the Finger Lakes freezing over, as 
> well as the Great Lakes, on the Cayuga Birds list in recent weeks.  I came 
> across this article from one of the channel 9 (Syracuse) weathermen, which 
> indicates that the Great Lakes, as of last Friday, had more than 79% of their 
> surface area frozen.  
>> Great Lakes Freezing Over: Dave Eichorn's Blog http://bit.ly/1gcubdX
> 
> Where do all the birds go?  Lake Ontario is only about half frozen, so maybe 
> they go there.
> 
> You'll notice in the photo that Cayuga and Seneca are not frozen.  Not 
> sure why they don't freeze over, too.  And, no, they are not deeper 
> than the Great Lakes, except for Erie.  (This is kind of bugging me, 
> so let me know if you have a good answer!) -Liisa
> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over

[John Confer]

Historically, Lake Superior did freeze over entirely. The current open 
water during winter allows for much greater evaporation that would occur 
if the ice cover were 100%. One of the major contributors to the drop in 
the level of the Great Lakes is the additional winter evaporation 
associated with the reduction/absence of ice cover.
Lakes Seneca and Cayuga are oriented somewhat in the direction of 
prevailing storms. In winter the temperature of both lakes is within 
0.1C top to bottom as a consequence of mixing of water from top to 
bottom related to prevailing winds. For both lakes to freeze at the top 
for the entire length, it would be necessary for the entire water column 
to loose enough heat to be very close to 0C. As long as the power plant 
continues to release a great deal of heat to the surface, Cayuga Lake 
will never freeze 100%, even without any effect of global climate change.
The concentration of redheads in Cayuga Lake is a consequence of keeping 
some shallow areas open due to water movement from the deeper areas that 
don't freeze. Other, shallow lakes in this area do freeze over 100% so 
that there is no way that diving ducks can get food.
(PS: This may seem odd coming from a birder, but my grad work was in 
limnology with half the research since grad school was on lakes.)

John Confer

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> There's been a bit of discussion about the Finger Lakes freezing over, as 
> well as the Great Lakes, on the Cayuga Birds list in recent weeks.  I came 
> across this article from one of the channel 9 (Syracuse) weathermen, which 
> indicates that the Great Lakes, as of last Friday, had more than 79% of their 
> surface area frozen.
>> Great Lakes Freezing Over: Dave Eichorn's Blog
>> http://bit.ly/1gcubdX
> Where do all the birds go?  Lake Ontario is only about half frozen, so maybe 
> they go there.
>
> You'll notice in the photo that Cayuga and Seneca are not frozen.  Not sure 
> why they don't freeze over, too.  And, no, they are not deeper than the Great 
> Lakes, except for Erie.  (This is kind of bugging me, so let me know if you 
> have a good answer!)
> -Liisa
>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over

[Geo Kloppel]

The full answer about the reluctance of Cayuga and especially Seneca to 
completely freeze over is a bit complicated, but a primer on the physical 
limnology can be read here:

http://www.gflrpc.org/Publications/SenecaLakeWMP/chap6a.pdf

-Geo Kloppel

On Feb 9, 2014, at 7:20 AM, "Liisa S. Mobley"  wrote:

> There's been a bit of discussion about the Finger Lakes freezing over, as 
> well as the Great Lakes, on the Cayuga Birds list in recent weeks.  I came 
> across this article from one of the channel 9 (Syracuse) weathermen, which 
> indicates that the Great Lakes, as of last Friday, had more than 79% of their 
> surface area frozen.  
>> Great Lakes Freezing Over: Dave Eichorn's Blog
>> http://bit.ly/1gcubdX
> 
> Where do all the birds go?  Lake Ontario is only about half frozen, so maybe 
> they go there.
> 
> You'll notice in the photo that Cayuga and Seneca are not frozen.  Not sure 
> why they don't freeze over, too.  And, no, they are not deeper than the Great 
> Lakes, except for Erie.  (This is kind of bugging me, so let me know if you 
> have a good answer!)
> -Liisa
> 
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[cayugabirds-l] Article about great lakes freezing over

[Liisa S. Mobley]

There's been a bit of discussion about the Finger Lakes freezing over, as well 
as the Great Lakes, on the Cayuga Birds list in recent weeks.  I came across 
this article from one of the channel 9 (Syracuse) weathermen, which indicates 
that the Great Lakes, as of last Friday, had more than 79% of their surface 
area frozen.  
> Great Lakes Freezing Over: Dave Eichorn's Blog
> http://bit.ly/1gcubdX

Where do all the birds go?  Lake Ontario is only about half frozen, so maybe 
they go there.

You'll notice in the photo that Cayuga and Seneca are not frozen.  Not sure why 
they don't freeze over, too.  And, no, they are not deeper than the Great 
Lakes, except for Erie.  (This is kind of bugging me, so let me know if you 
have a good answer!)
-Liisa

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