Re: [ccp4bb] low-resolution data and SG

2012-11-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear SDY, It is impossible to deduct from data statistics alone the difference between e.g. P43 21 2 and P41 21 2. Also with weak data like you have, a lot of artifacts may arise due to (weak) ice rings, intensity from neighboring strong reflections getting into the integration boxes of weak

[ccp4bb] refmac5 problem

2012-11-05 Thread Qixu Cai
Dear all, What's the difference between no prior phase information, phase and FOM, Hendrickson-Lattman coefficients, and SAD data directly in the refmac5 GUI of CCP4i? I have a SAD dataset and solve the phase by phenix.autosol. Now I want to refine the structure by refmac5, which kind of input

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2012-11-05 Thread Crystal Xu
Dear all, I am now determining a structure at 2.2 A resolution. The space group is C2, and there is only one molecular in an ASU. During the refinement, some weird electron density appears right on the two-fold axis. Does anyone have any idea what could this be? Thanks a lot. Best regards

[ccp4bb] Weird electron density on the two-fold axis

2012-11-05 Thread Crystal Xu
Dear all, I am now determining a structure at 2.2 A resolution. The space group is C2, and there is only one molecular in an ASU. During the refinement, some weird electron density appears right on the two-fold axis. Does anyone have any idea what could this be? Thanks a lot. Best regards

[ccp4bb] Copying R-free flags - possibly daft question.

2012-11-05 Thread Antony Oliver
Am I worrying about something unnecessarily? I have several protein-drug datasets, all in the same spacegroup, but wildly varying resolutions. I wish to use the same reflections for calculating R-free in all cases. Using xia2 with a reference dataset for both indexing and R-free seems to work

Re: [ccp4bb] Extra electron density

2012-11-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Yogesh, Since your difference density is at the center of a hexamer, you might be looking at the 6-fold average density of one or two fatty acid molecules. Just try to fit one and generate to other 5 equivalent molecules and look if this makes sense. Otherwise, I agree with Mark that with

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2012-11-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
It might be a 50% occupied protein side chain(s), since only one of the two equivalent protein side chains can occupy this position. Best, Herman From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Crystal Xu Sent: Monday,

Re: [ccp4bb] Weird electron density on the two-fold axis

2012-11-05 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Shutong Xu, one often finds artefacts on special positions. As far as I understand, these are numerical 'instabilities' or artefacts rather than of chemical origin. Best, Tim On 11/05/2012 10:50 AM, Crystal Xu wrote: Dear all, I am now

Re: [ccp4bb] Copying R-free flags - possibly daft question.

2012-11-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Yes, if your data does not extend to high resolution, your free reflections will not extend to high resolution either (e.g. are not observed). Herman From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Antony Oliver Sent:

Re: [ccp4bb] Copying R-free flags - possibly daft question.

2012-11-05 Thread Graeme Winter
Hi Antony, Using xia2 with a reference dataset for both indexing and R-free seems to work fine, apart from the fact that the resulting mtz file, now contains R-free labels for reflections that have no observations… i.e. taken from the higher resolution reference dataset; see output below.

Re: [ccp4bb] Weird electron density on the two-fold axis

2012-11-05 Thread Felix Frolow
As only small part of the molecules is shown and it appears to be in poly-alanine representation, more interesting thing may happened apart of numerical instabilities of Fourier transform. These can be mutually exclusive conformations that brake local symmetry but preserve overall symmetry. The

Re: [ccp4bb] low-resolution data and SG

2012-11-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There are several questions here. 1) What is the point Group - P4 or P422. I find the pointless statistics which check all symmetry operators singly useful. If the 2 fold kh-l gives about the same CC as the 4 fold operators k-hl -h -k l -k h l then you probably do have point group P422. ( But

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5 problem

2012-11-05 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Dear Cai On 5 Nov 2012, at 09:46, Qixu Cai wrote: Dear all, What's the difference between no prior phase information, phase and FOM, Hendrickson-Lattman coefficients, and SAD data directly in the refmac5 GUI of CCP4i? I would use SAD data directly if you have SAD data set. It just

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5 problem

2012-11-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I don't know what exactly the phenix.autosol output is. If you are satisfied with the solution and have a mtz file containing F sigF HLA etc, then use Hendrickson Lattmann coefficients. If there is only Phase/Fom then use that. I am not sure how you would fare with SAD data directly.. But

Re: [ccp4bb] Copying R-free flags - possibly daft question.

2012-11-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Just give CAD the resolution cut off of the new data set.. Eleanor From the CAD documentation.. RESOLUTION [ RESOLUTION OVERALL dmin dmax ] | [RESOLUTION FILE_NUMBER i dmin dmax ] Use either: RESOLUTION OVERALL dmin dmax for overall resolution limits, or: RESOLUTION FILE_NUMBER i dmin dmax to

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2012-11-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Any spurious blob on a symmetry axis is multiplied up of course. And when you finish building side chains it may reduce in size. But waters etc can sit on special positions - you just enter them with occ = 0.5 and refine as usual.. Eleanor On 5 Nov 2012, at 09:49, Crystal Xu wrote: Dear

Re: [ccp4bb] Copying R-free flags - possibly daft question.

2012-11-05 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you want to remove the indices which are not observed, you can use sftools (this has been suggested to me on this board, sorry I do not remember by whom). sftools eof read yourfile.mtz select only column IMEAN present write temp1.mtz END eof mv

Re: [ccp4bb] Copying R-free flags - possibly daft question.

2012-11-05 Thread Antony Oliver
Thanks Eleanor - guess I should have plumbed the depths of the CAD manual a little further. Works perfectly. Antony. --- Dr Antony W Oliver Senior Research Fellow CR-UK DNA Repair Enzymes Group Genome Damage and Stability Centre Science Park Road University of Sussex Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9RQ

Re: [ccp4bb] refmac5 problem

2012-11-05 Thread Navraj Pannu
I am not sure how you would fare with SAD data directly.. If you would like a comparison, check out the refmac paper. http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2011/04/00/ba5152/index.html See Figure 1 - this shows model building with ARP/wARP on over 100 data sets using the different Refmac

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2012-11-05 Thread Herman . Schreuder
It might be a 50% occupied protein side chain(s), since only one of the two equivalent protein side chains can occupy this position. Best Herman From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Crystal Xu

Re: [ccp4bb] Extra electron density

2012-11-05 Thread Sangeetha Vedula
You know what? Scratch what I said. As Mark says, there isn't any 2Fo-Fc density, which is suspicious. However, I would still model what may fit in it, with appropriate occupancy, based on the symmetry. To be doubly sure. I have, in the past, used

Re: [ccp4bb] protein cleavage

2012-11-05 Thread R. M. Garavito
Dear Rana, I think you need to clear up some confusion about this experiment. MBP fusions suffer from a number of drawbacks depending on what you are doing. First, did you use the MPB domain to purify the fusion protein (with an amylose column)? If so, you also purified native MBP from the

Re: [ccp4bb] Termination of Shelxc/d/e

2012-11-05 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear, from the lack of any shelxc-related output in the log-file my first guess is you don't have shelxc installed on your system - do you? It is not part of ccp4 and must be installed separately.

Re: [ccp4bb] Copying R-free flags - possibly daft question.

2012-11-05 Thread Graeme Winter
Thanks indeed Eleanor, when I get a moment I will add this too to the xia2 cad script! Best wishes, Graeme On 5 November 2012 11:37, Antony Oliver antony.oli...@sussex.ac.uk wrote: Thanks Eleanor - guess I should have plumbed the depths of the CAD manual a little further. Works perfectly.

Re: [ccp4bb] Termination of Shelxc/d/e

2012-11-05 Thread Shanti Pal Gangwar
Dear Sir Tim from the lack of any shelxc-related output in the log-file my first guess is you don't have shelxc installed on your system - do you? It is not part of ccp4 and must be installed separately. I have already have installed shelxc/d/e on my computer and its also shoeing in CCp4 program

Re: [ccp4bb] Termination of Shelxc/d/e

2012-11-05 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Shanti, to track the problem I suggest you download the tutorial and data from my homepage at http://shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de/~tg/teaching/anl-ccp4/index.php and run shelxc outside ccp4. If that works, one can further try to isolate the problem. Is