This is too funny. My wife's new job is scanning Sumerian clay tablets into
computer. I kid you not.
On Dec 12, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Laura Spagnolo wrote:
I would definitely go for babylonian clay...
On Dec 12, 2012, at 10:31 PM, Adrian Goldman wrote:
I say write them out onto
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This is too funny. My wife's new job is scanning Sumerian clay tablets into
computer. I kid you not.
On Dec 12, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Laura Spagnolo wrote:
I would definitely go for babylonian clay...
On Dec 12, 2012, at 10:31 PM, Adrian Goldman wrote
In terms of information density clay, paper and suchlike are not likely to
be competitive with any modern storage device. However, if there really is
a serious need to store relatively large amounts of information for a
really long time I see no issues with laser (or afm) engraving on thin gold
Highly redundant self-identifying DNA fragments are probably the way to
go, but
electron lithography on silicon wafers is a well-supported technology
that, even
without a protective layer would outlast paper or clay, and with
transparent protective
encapsulation, would last longer than we are
At risk of lengthening an already silly, off-topic discussion ... there have
been good arguments here in the past on why re-processing archived data can
yield important new information. But in the very long run I think, protein
structures will be all figured out and new technology will allow
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This is too funny. My wife's new job is scanning Sumerian clay tablets into
computer. I kid you not.
On Dec 12, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Laura Spagnolo wrote:
I would
SanDisk advertises a Memory Vault disk for archival storage of photos that
they claim will last 100 years.
(note: they do have a scheme for estimating lifetime of the memory, Arrhenius
Equation ... interesting. Check it out:
www.sandisk.com/products/usb/memory-vault/ and click the Chronolock
Or... (gasp) store a regular USB drive in a freezer, yes? If the
relationship between data decay rate and temperature indeed follows the
same good old Arrhenius formula then any old USB drive is virtually endless
at -80C and safe for human life span at -20 (i.e. kitchen freezer, sans
defrost
Good luck on your search in 100 years for a computer with a
USB port. You will also need software that can read a FAT32
file system.
Dale Glad I didn't buy a lot of disk drives with Firewire Tronrud
On 12/12/2012 1:02 PM, Richard Gillilan wrote:
SanDisk advertises a Memory Vault disk for
Ha ha. Brilliant! Maybe we should just send them up to Svalbard to store with
the seeds.
On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Artem Evdokimov wrote:
Or... (gasp) store a regular USB drive in a freezer, yes? If the relationship
between data decay rate and temperature indeed follows the same good old
Maybe the memory chips will retain their bits for 100 years, but what
about the driver hardware or internal power supply? Anyone had an
electrolytic capacitor last for 100 years? Just sayin...
I like the image of the USB sticks in the -80 freezer, though. :)
Better option? Certainly not TAPE or electromechanical disk drive. CD's and
DVD's don't last nearly that long and James Holton has pointed out.
I suppose there might be a cloud solution where you rely upon data just
floating around out there in cyberspace with a life of its own.
Richard
On
I don't think memory sticks have any internal electrolytics or power supplies.
Both USB and FAT32 are widely documented standards in this era, so while they
might no longer be supported (FAT32 is already very old), information on how to
communicate and decode data will still likely be
I don't believe there is a solution that does not involve active
management. You can't write your data and pick up those media 25
years later and expect to get your data back -- not without some
heroic effort involving the construction of your own hardware.
I have data from Brian
You know if you took a dremel to an insulated benchtop cold box to make USB
shaped holes, lined the bottom with a layer of desiccant, and used a little
vacuum grease to seal it up you might actually have a workable, long term,
freezer storage system.
Wow, the things you think up when you're
I say write them out onto acid-free paper: should be good for at least 300
years without active management, if there is no fire. If that doesn't work, I
believe babylonian clay tablets have an even longer expected life time….
Dale, I must say I am impressed… I gave up after the exabyte to DAT
Given that it's basically a solid state tiny capacitor, temperature should
indeed be a huge factor :) I am actually considering storing some flash
sticks in a freezer, to see what happens. And in LN2 as well...
Artem
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Richard Gillilan r...@cornell.edu wrote:
I
I would definitely go for babylonian clay...
On Dec 12, 2012, at 10:31 PM, Adrian Goldman wrote:
I say write them out onto acid-free paper: should be good for at least 300
years without active management, if there is no fire. If that doesn't work,
I believe babylonian clay tablets have
encoding into DNA and transforming some long lived critter is the best
solution for me. My mind's eye is watering with glee when I imagine how
TurtleBank might look -- fields of green grass, populated by herds of
gentle grazing turtles, each encoding some priceless tidbit of information.
Of
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Evdokimov
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Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] archival memory?
encoding into DNA and transforming some long lived critter is the best solution
for me. My mind's eye is watering with glee when I imagine how
Punched cards, stored in a sealed dry box, and perhaps irradiated to
kill off any bacteria, should long outlive any magnetic or capacitive
storage medium. If it is difficult to find a working card reader, they
could always be read by eye, though that might be tedious. Their EBCDIC
code is not
On 12/12/2012 3:19 PM, Bosch, Juergen wrote:
Hey Dale,
you really should get your personal RAID with hot swappable discs, since you
don't like Firewire, how about Thunderbolt and a
Pegasus RAID with 6 bays ? If a drive fails you replace it with a new one.
Last summer someone in the lab
Don't get your hopes up too high for ssd. I had one fail within 4 months of
buying it - and the company's attitude was 'this sometimes happens'. Yum
I think George is right - punched cards in two separate locations. (Hell any
form of paper output will do - surely they'll have decent OCR in 100
On 13/12/2012 04:13, Adrian Goldman wrote:
Don't get your hopes up too high for ssd. I had one fail within 4 months of
buying it - and the company's attitude was 'this sometimes happens'. Yum
I think George is right - punched cards in two separate locations. (Hell any
form of paper output
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