Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous data usage

2023-03-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Oh dear - I didn’t mean to start this discussion - just to have a private moan to Ian tickle, but there are some reasons for the regret. First of all - column names had a meaning . For example a refmac hklout has labels f sigf Phic from delfphwt etc and just occasionally one likes to see some

[ccp4bb] Save the date! “Not the GRC” on Diffraction Methods in Structural Biology 2024

2023-03-17 Thread Winter, Graeme (DLSLtd,RAL,LSCI)
Good morning all, “Not the Gordon Research Conference” on Diffraction Methods in Structural Biology 2024 - Experiments and Measurements Organisers: Graeme Winter, Kunio Hirata (NTGRC-chairs) Helena Taberman, Ali Ebrahim (NTGRS-chairs) Local organisers - Arwen Pearson, Ashwin Chari As you

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-17 Thread Goldman, Adrian
I would add that those who insist on modelling the atoms that they can’t see display a quasi-religious fervour about it, as if there is only one right way. Sorry about the snark. One example I remember from my graduate student days is this: https://tinyurl.com/bddefd3t where intact and

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-17 Thread Manfred S. Weiss
Dear all, many views have been expressed in this thread, which I have been following with great interest. Unfortunately, I have to say that many of the views are more based on personal preferences, than on the scientific evidence behind. Here are some facts, that one may want to consider: 1.

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-17 Thread Esko Oksanen
Dear Manfred, In addition to personal preference I think there are some philosophical differences in what the model actually means. I would argue that what we see in the density is stronger evidence of the chemical identity than what we believe we have used as a starting material. After all we

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-17 Thread mesters@biochem
Dear all, to trim or not to to trim…. - what is the difference between highly disordered side-chain atoms versus disordered bulk-solvent atoms? Do not both represent a continuum function with a comparable electron-density distribution? Have not solvent and side-chain atoms merged/mixed at

[ccp4bb] Structural biology facility manager post at Imperial College London

2023-03-17 Thread Bubeck, Doryen A
The Centre for Structural Biology (CSB) is looking to recruit a full-time Facility Manager on an open-ended permanent contract to work on the Imperial College South Kensington Campus. We are looking to recruit a candidate with strong research experience in X-ray crystallography who is

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-17 Thread Guillaume Gaullier
Hello, I think Rams’ last remark is very important. People with every preference regarding modelling (trimmed, zero-occupancy or high-B), past their disagreement on this particular question, are all concerned about how their models will be interpreted by non-experts. Since all experimental

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-17 Thread Subramanian, Ramaswamy
Dear All, I am kind of in agreement with Manfred, but I also have concerns. The RCSB and the databases are public databases used by non-structural biology experts a lot. They take the model as if it is an experimental result - rather than it being a model. Example: I just got a paper with

[ccp4bb] ccp4 on cluster

2023-03-17 Thread Rafiga Masmaliyeva
Dear all, I need to install CCP4 on my disk in cluster computer. The OS is CentOS Linux 7. Please instruct me for this. Thank you in advance. Best regards, Rafiga To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-17 Thread Huw Jenkins
> On 17 Mar 2023, at 15:01, Guillaume Gaullier > wrote: > > CryoEM papers often show a map in a main figure, and as a reader I think it > is very nice to show me the map that convinced you of some finding before > showing me your interpretation of this map. Surely a key difference is that

Re: [ccp4bb] To Trim or Not to To Trim

2023-03-17 Thread Huw Jenkins
> On 17 Mar 2023, at 08:57, Manfred S. Weiss > wrote: > > In my view, the best approach is to build the side chains in their > most plausible conformation, or maybe in 2 or 3 or 5 different > conformations, and let the ADPs refine freely. One point I don’t think has been mentioned so far in