Re: [ccp4bb] unusual diffraction spots

2010-11-25 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Hubing, since your crystal is smaller than the beam, the shape of your spots will be the shape of your crystal as viewed from the spot position on the detector. This means that if your crystal has a rod shape, spots at certain detector positions will have a rod shape. If your crystal has

Re: [ccp4bb] unusual diffraction spots

2010-11-25 Thread John R Helliwell
Dear Hubing, Thankyou for the extra details. The MARCCD to my experience does not show 'bleeding' from pixels at strong spots. Such effects on a CCD anyway are in a line not like the 'ears' you have here. It also does not look like diffuse scattering. So, since it seems to be an effect visible on

Re: [ccp4bb] unusual diffraction spots

2010-11-25 Thread Colin Nave
Dear all Herman might be correct in this case but spot shapes can be affected by imperfactions in the crystal rather than the crystal shape. Some types of imperfections (e.g. strain) manifest themselves more for higher resolution data. They are still there for the low resolution data, but buried

Re: [ccp4bb] unusual diffraction spots

2010-11-25 Thread Harry Powell
Hi folks I'm wondering if the ears may be due to hollow ends of the rod-shaped crystals? Hollow ends are more common than you might imagine (especially in rods), and it's fairly easy to see how they could give rise to these ears... On 25 Nov 2010, at 09:09, Colin Nave wrote: Dear all Herman

Re: [ccp4bb] unusual diffraction spots

2010-11-25 Thread elizabeth . duke
In the past I've collected data on crystals with hollow ends and the spots were round and had no ears. As it was 15years ago, collecting on the old SRS my recollection of beam and crystal relative size is a little hazy but I think they were fairly well matched (both 200um). Dr. Liz Duke

Re: [ccp4bb] Can LSQKAB calculate RMSTAB for two pre-superposed structures?

2010-11-25 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Oh dear - Yes you are right There is an old program called compar See http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/dist/html/compar.html Here is the example script. You need the same residue numbering in each, so if the sequence of the 2 coordinate files is different you will need to run CHAINSAW to renumber one

Re: [ccp4bb] unusual diffraction spots

2010-11-25 Thread Mark J van Raaij
Dear Hubing, please don't discard a structure just because the Rfree 30%, or approve a structure just because the Rfree 30%. Other quality parameters like relative absence of clashes and Ramachandran outliers are much more important. Perhaps even more important is whether the structure gives

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein sequencing service?

2010-11-25 Thread MARTYN SYMMONS
I have had excellent service from Mike Weldon (m.a.wel...@bioc.cam.ac.uk) at PNAC University of Cambridge Biochemistry. He will accept outside orders subject to capacity being available. http://www.bioc.cam.ac.uk/pnac/ Cheers Martyn Martyn Symmons EBI - Cambridge On 24/09/2010 4:46,

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein sequencing service?

2010-11-25 Thread Tom Murray-Rust
I would second that suggestion, I just had some bands sequenced to identify internal cleavage sites within a protein and got very clear sequence back. Cheers Tom On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 11:20 AM, MARTYN SYMMONS martainn_oshioma...@btinternet.com wrote: I have had excellent service from Mike

Re: [ccp4bb] Protein sequencing service?

2010-11-25 Thread Mark Brooks
Jeff Keen is good, but just to add to the list Cambridge Peptides http://www.cambridgepeptides.com/proteinsequencing.html based in Birmingham (!), is fast and efficient from either membrane or directly from gel slices. Yours, Mark On 24 September 2010 16:46, Rex Palmer rex.pal...@btinternet.com

[ccp4bb] Tough 'shell' on disturbed drop

2010-11-25 Thread Rick
Dear CCP4 I looped a v.thin rod emerging from a cluster of v.thin rods that grew in 29%PEG1500 and 0.1M SPG buffer at pH7.5 (succinic acid, sodium dihydrogen orthophospate and glycine). The loop i used had been washed more than 10 times with deionised water (so assumed as 'clean'). The

Re: [ccp4bb] Tough 'shell' on disturbed drop

2010-11-25 Thread Artem Evdokimov
Hi, You're working with a very 'rich' crystallization condition. It probably was supersaturated or close to super-saturated with respect to something, and that something crashed out on the surface (where liquid contacted air) forming a crust. Your loop (while perfectly clean) can also be the

Re: [ccp4bb] Tough 'shell' on disturbed drop

2010-11-25 Thread David Schuller
The shell may be denatured protein. Remove the protein from the experiment and the problem will likely go away. On 11/25/10 09:45, Rick wrote: Dear CCP4 I looped a v.thin rod emerging from a cluster of v.thin rods that grew in 29%PEG1500 and 0.1M SPG buffer at pH7.5 (succinic acid, sodium

Re: [ccp4bb] Tough 'shell' on disturbed drop

2010-11-25 Thread Frederic VELLIEUX
Hi, In our hands, the crystallisation droplets of glycosomal pyruvate phosphate dikinase had a 'skin' of what I thought was denatured protein at the surface of every crystallisation droplet. We had to learn to use the crystal microtools (such as a microknife, or a micro-needle can't remember

[ccp4bb] DTU vs DTT ?

2010-11-25 Thread Emmanuel Saridakis
Dear All, Possibly a trivial question but your experience would be much appreciated: I recently submitted a structure to PDB containing 3 DTT (dithiothreitol) molecules, or so I thought. The molecules had been imported and fitted with Coot using the Get Monomer... instruction with the code

Re: [ccp4bb] DTU vs DTT ?

2010-11-25 Thread Linda Schuldt
Hi Emmanuel, it is hard for me to imagine that Coot has the wrong stereoisomer. So what I think might have happend is the following: You have imported the correct DTT, but when you have fitted the molecule into the map you might have distorted the sterochemistry at the C3 atom. And then it was

Re: [ccp4bb] Tough 'shell' on disturbed drop

2010-11-25 Thread Ed Pozharski
If it's on a glass coverslip, another good trick is to (carefully) cut through the skin around the crystal with a razor blade. With some practice, one manages not to get the crystal entangled in the skin. On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 16:03 +, Frederic VELLIEUX wrote: Hi, In our hands, the

Re: [ccp4bb] DTU vs DTT ?

2010-11-25 Thread Paul Emsley
Credit where it's due, Coot's Get Monomer is just a wrapper for LIBCHECK. If you look at the restraints for DTT after Get Monomer, you will notice that chiral centres are both marked as both. Using the restraints editor (or otherwise) change them to positive (C2) and negative (C3) and

Re: [ccp4bb] DTU vs DTT ?

2010-11-25 Thread Phil Evans
DTT.cif in $CLIBD_MON has explicit chiralities, assuming these are right DTT chir_01 C2 C1 O2 C3positiv DTT chir_02 C3 C2 O3 C4negativ On 25 Nov 2010, at 17:11, Paul Emsley wrote: Credit where it's due, Coot's Get Monomer is just a

Re: [ccp4bb] Tough 'shell' on disturbed drop

2010-11-25 Thread Jürgen Bosch
Often you can also avoid this skin formation by adding a bit of your reservoir solution first to make it a larger droplet. Then the microtools as mentioned earlier or just two loops Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of

Re: [ccp4bb] DTU vs DTT ?

2010-11-25 Thread Engin Özkan
Hi Emmanuel, The monomer library is great, but it is also created by scientists (and computers) that can err. I remember a few cases (some reported on the ccp4bb) where mistakes were revealed and later fixed. Just because something is in the monomer library that does absolve anyone from not