[ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Isabel Garcia-Saez
Dear all, Just commenting that after the stunning performance of AlphaFold that uses AI from Google maybe some of us we could dedicate ourselves to the noble art of gardening, baking, doing Chinese Calligraphy, enjoying the clouds pass or everything together (just in case I have already

Re: [ccp4bb] cannot access ccp4 download webpage

2020-12-03 Thread Johannes Cramer
Dear all, seems like one just needs to complain about it... It works again ;) Thanks to all who replied! Cheers, Johannes Am Do., 3. Dez. 2020 um 15:54 Uhr schrieb Jon Cooper < jon.b.coo...@protonmail.com>: > Works for me. Cheers, Jon.C. > > > Sent from ProtonMail mobile > > > >

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-03 Thread Robbie Joosten
Dear Zhijie, In generally I like the treatment of carbohydrates now as branched polymers. I didn't realise there was an exception. It makes sense for unlinked carbohydrate ligands, but not for N- or O-glycosylation sites as these might change during model building or, in my case, carbohydrate

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[ccp4bb] cannot access ccp4 download webpage

2020-12-03 Thread Johannes Cramer
Dear all, I cannot access the ccp4 downloads webpage from my institute's pc or mobile. Is it just me? Is it a known problem? I get a 502 Proxy Error. http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/download/ Cheers, Johannes To unsubscribe from

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-03 Thread Zhijie Li
Hi all, I was confused when I saw mysterious new glycan chains emerging during PDB deposition and spent quite some time trying to find out what was wrong with my coordinates. Then it occurred to me that a lot of recent structures also had tens of N-glycan chains. Finally I realized that this

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Jon Cooper
Hello. A quick look suggests that a lot of the test structures were solved by phaser or molrep, suggesting it is a very welcome improvement on homology modelling. It would be interesting to know how it performs with structures of new or uncertain fold, if there are any left these days. Without

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread David Briggs
A quick note regarding the code that Deepmind released for CASP13 (2018). It bears the rather important caveat that: "This code can't be used to predict structure of an arbitrary protein sequence. It can be used to predict structure only on the CASP13 dataset (links below)." Source:

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Wim Burmeister
Hello, we had a 124 aa target in Casp14, without any detectable homology to a known structure. Within the experimental errors, the AlphaFold2 model is identical to the NMR model we got. That was very convincing. Best wishes Wim De: "Jon Cooper"

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Re: [ccp4bb] [phenixbb] [ccp4bb] Phenix refine distorting a sidechain despite correct density

2020-12-03 Thread Igor Petrik
Thanks for the advice Pavel! I don't want to celebrate prematurely, but I just re-ran the same refinement in both the stable and in nightly 4070, and it _seems_ to be corrected in the nightly. Will let you know if it pops up again. - Igor Petrik, PhD On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:16 AM Pavel

Re: [ccp4bb] Phenix refine distorting a sidechain despite correct density

2020-12-03 Thread Igor Petrik
Thanks Nigel, I will put together the input and output file from my latest refinement and send them to you and Pavel later today. - Igor Petrik, PhD On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:46 PM Folmer Fredslund wrote: > Dear Igor > > There's a phenix bulletin board for question like this, which is where

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Boaz Shaanan
Just curious, how does the result of the Phaser run  with the Alphafold model compare with a Phaser run using the Arcimboldo phased model as a probe? Boaz Boaz Shaanan, Ph.D. Department of Life Sciences Ben Gurion University of the Negev Beer Sheva Israel On Dec 4, 2020 00:32, Anastassis

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread James Holton
It is a major leap forward for structure prediction for sure.  A hearty congratulations to all those teams over all those years. The part I don't understand is the accuracy.  If we understand what holds molecules together so well, then why is it that when I refine an X-ray structure and turn

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Reza Khayat
?Does anyone know how AlphaFold performs on sequences with little conservation? Virus and phage proteins are like this. Their structures are homologous, but sequence identity can be less than 10%. Reza Reza Khayat, PhD Associate Professor City College of New York Department of Chemistry and

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Peat, Tom (Manufacturing, Parkville)
Although they can now get the fold correct, I don't think they have all the side chain placement so perfect as to be able to predict the fold and how a compound or another protein binds, so we can still do complexes. I don't know what others end up spending their time doing, but much of my work

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Peat, Tom (Manufacturing, Parkville)
Hello Jon, We had a novel structure and it did very well. I haven't tried the MR to see if the model would work, but it was so close that I can't imagine it not working. Our protein was ~185 residues and the closest PDB structures were about 4 Angstrom rmsd over about 70 residues over just one

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
AlphaFold - or similar ideas that will surface up sooner or later - will beyond doubt have major impact. The accuracy it demonstrated compared to others is excellent. “Our” target (T1068) that was not solvable by MR with the homologous search structure or a homology model (it was phased with

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Paul Adams
I agree completely Tom. Having been recently involved in some efforts to identify interesting compounds against SARS-CoV-2, I can say that the current AI/ML methods for docking/predicting small molecule binding have very very low success rates (I’m being generous here), even when you are

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Jon Cooper
Thanks all, very interesting, so our methods are just needed to identify the crystallization impurities, when the trays have been thrown away ;- Cheers, Jon.C. Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On 3 Dec 2020, 22:31, Anastassis Perrakis wrote: > AlphaFold - or

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-03 Thread Luca Jovine
CC: pdb-l Dear Zhijie and Robbie, I agree with both of you that the new carbohydrate chain assignment convention that has been recently adopted by PDB introduces confusion, not just for PDB-REDO but also - and especially - for end users. Could we kindly ask PDB to improve consistency by

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Jon Cooper
Hello James, that's really strange - I've used refmac et al., to do poor man's energy minimizations of models and they've generally come out fine, unless the restraints, etc, are wildly off-target. I wasn't playing with X-ray weights though, since there never was a dataset, of course. Cheers,

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Joel Sussman
I'm curious how well AlphaFold would do on an Intrinsically Disordered Protein (IDP), would it recognize that it is an "IDP" or predict that it has a structure (or structures)? It would be interesting to test such a sequence and see what comes out. Possibly AlphaFold might be the best IDP

Re: [ccp4bb] AlphaFold: more thinking and less pipetting (?)

2020-12-03 Thread Joana Pereira
Hi everybody, As one of the persons playing with the CASP14 data before all news came out, I can answer some of the questions raised in this thread. - "Does anyone know how AlphaFold performs on sequences with little conservation?" One of the things we looked at was how the accuracy of

Re: [ccp4bb] Coming July 29: Improved Carbohydrate Data at the PDB -- N-glycans are now separate chains if more than one residue

2020-12-03 Thread Jan Dohnalek
We also recently encountered this way of coordinates treatment - did not find it useful but just left it as it was (life has other more exciting adventures waiting ...). I strongly support the solution suggested by Luca, A nice day to all, Jan Dohnalek On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 8:48 AM Luca

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine with ligand with ambiguous electron density

2020-12-03 Thread Dale Tronrud
Hi, Dr Nicholls brings up many interesting points, but doesn't touch on the major point I had hoped to make in my letter. Whenever you start making multiple tests of your hypothesis you have to evaluate each of those tests with a higher standard than you would if you only applied one.

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine with ligand with ambiguous electron density

2020-12-03 Thread Robert Nicholls
Hi Dale, You're absolutely right - the multiple hypothesis testing problem is one that is often not considered, let alone properly accounted for. Whilst this can be accounted for by appropriate adjustment of significance levels when a known number of explicit hypotheses are tested (and when

Re: [ccp4bb] phenix.refine with ligand with ambiguous electron density

2020-12-03 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
A way to achieve a feeling for the significance of the different map features that you are looking at in your current project, is the old control technique to omit both a well ordered part of the model (residue, alpha-helical turn, part of a beta-strand, ...) and a less well ordered part