[cctalk] Re: Visiting the computer history museum (chm)

2023-03-14 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 7:15 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On 3/14/2023 3:03 AM, Curious Marc via cctalk wrote: > > The cafeteria is open, there is a Starbucks and even a nice Italian > across > > the street if you want to treat yourself. On Wednesdays we have a demo > of > > the IBM 1401 at

[cctalk] Re: Visiting the computer history museum (chm)

2023-03-14 Thread Tarek Hoteit via cctalk
Awesome. Thank you! I will be there tomorrow Wednesday. Regards, Tarek Hoteit > On Mar 14, 2023, at 12:03 AM, Curious Marc wrote: > > The cafeteria is open, there is a Starbucks and even a nice Italian across > the street if you want to treat yourself. On Wednesdays we have a demo of the >

[cctalk] Persci 299 drives - park heads/lock?

2023-03-14 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I am working on an unknown status Persci 299 drive and one of the two drives is locked closed. Is this a "park" of some kind or is the drive broken? If it's a parked drive (only the drive 0 side) how do you unpark the drive? I can't seem to find any info on this. If I find anything I will post

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Tom Hunter via cctalk
Be careful about throwing stones if you are living in a glass house. On Tue, 14 Mar 2023, 6:49 pm Peter Coghlan via cctalk, < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > There are some nice mixed signal oscilloscopes made by Rigol (Chinese) > at a > > very affordable price. > > > > Until just over a

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> If you posted your design as Open Source, someone else producing it isn't a > knockoff, it's the system working as intended. What is it when the design is open source, but they're not complying with the terms of the license? That's what really bugs me, the "cost" of producing your own from

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
On 3/14/2023 8:26 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: If you posted your design as Open Source, someone else producing it isn't a knockoff, it's the system working as intended. -- Chris Yep, naive on my part.  I would counter that if I had just published my designs online with a commercial

[cctalk] Re: Visiting the computer history museum (chm)

2023-03-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On 3/14/2023 3:03 AM, Curious Marc via cctalk wrote: The cafeteria is open, there is a Starbucks and even a nice Italian across the street if you want to treat yourself. On Wednesdays we have a demo of the IBM 1401 at 3 pm, and before that the restoration team works on it from 10:30 am on (it

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk
On Mar 14, 2023, at 2:55 PM, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > > On 3/14/2023 4:16 PM, Jonathan Chapman wrote: >> There are other things that we've chosen not to run for the same basic >> reason, and others that won't get open sourced. > > I will admit I am trending in that direction. I put

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
On 3/14/2023 4:48 PM, Alexander Huemer via cctalk wrote: * The main IC in a 16 channel Saleae LA is a Xilinx Spartan 6, The clones are of the older pre 2015 Cypress FX2 design, which was not easy to protect. I don't see any eBay listings for the newer stuff in clone format.  I do see

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Sytse van Slooten via cctalk
On 14 Mar 2023, at 23:23, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 3/14/23 14:48, Alexander Huemer via cctalk wrote: > >> Let's face it, there is a sizable number of people who will never ever >> buy a logic analyzer for north of $1000. Either because they can't >> afford it or are too greedy.

[cctalk] Re: Visiting the computer history museum (chm)

2023-03-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 3/14/2023 3:03 AM, Curious Marc via cctalk wrote: The cafeteria is open, there is a Starbucks and even a nice Italian across the street if you want to treat yourself. On Wednesdays we have a demo of the IBM 1401 at 3 pm, and before that the restoration team works on it from 10:30 am on

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 3/14/23 14:48, Alexander Huemer via cctalk wrote: > Let's face it, there is a sizable number of people who will never ever > buy a logic analyzer for north of $1000. Either because they can't > afford it or are too greedy. That is not lost revenue for the company. > Either those people buy

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
On 3/14/2023 4:16 PM, Jonathan Chapman wrote: There are other things that we've chosen not to run for the same basic reason, and others that won't get open sourced. I will admit I am trending in that direction.  I put things as FLOSS because I wanted the designs to outlast my involvement

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Alexander Huemer via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 09:16:02PM +, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: > > But, as some who worked > > to bring a product to market only to see people on forums say "Skip > > buying it from Jim for , you can build the same thing by yourself > > for $ from AliExpress parts or buy this

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread David Gesswein via cctalk
On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 10:32:15AM +0800, Tom Hunter wrote: > There are some nice mixed signal oscilloscopes made by Rigol (Chinese) at a > very affordable price. They have a very deep capture buffer for both analog > and digital signals. The build quality and capabilities of the MSO1104Z I > have

[cctalk] Re: Knockoffs, was: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> But, as some who worked > to bring a product to market only to see people on forums say "Skip > buying it from Jim for , you can build the same thing by yourself > for $ from AliExpress parts or buy this eBay knockoff for 2X$", I will > admit that is somewhat infuriating. If the hobby

[cctalk] Re: NextStep/Intel, 486's and Pentium overdrive, thoughts.

2023-03-14 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
That is a good question. I seem to recall that when it was compiled for Next hardware that it used the DSP by default, but when compiled for other platforms it used their libraries. My guess is the Intel library used floating point. It fits in with other narratives about the Pentium chip, one

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
On 3/14/2023 1:00 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: On HP: yes, perhaps. I used one of those back at DEC, in the mid 1980s. Nice machine, but my suspicion is that I'd run into the small memory problem again that plagues me with the Philips/Fluke analyzer I use right now. We use several

[cctalk] Re: NextStep/Intel, 486's and Pentium overdrive, thoughts.

2023-03-14 Thread Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk
Chris, one question on the conclusion: was the Mandelbrot program set to use floating point, or fixed-point arithmetic? I’m pretty sure the DSP version was fixed-point (integer, scaled) arithmetic to make it run faster. The conclusion might apply to the Pentium’s performance in integer tasks

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Mar 14, 2023, at 2:00 PM, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk > wrote: > >> On HP: yes, perhaps. I used one of those back at DEC, in the mid 1980s. Nice >> machine, but my suspicion is that I'd run into the small memory problem >> again that plagues me with the Philips/Fluke analyzer I use

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> On HP: yes, perhaps. I used one of those back at DEC, in the mid 1980s. Nice > machine, but my suspicion is that I'd run into the small memory problem again > that plagues me with the Philips/Fluke analyzer I use right now. We use several HP analyzers around here, all from the 80s. Even the

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Adrian Godwin via cctalk
Yes, I've used sigrok and sat on their IRC channel for quite a while. I've used the gpib analyser and extended a DMM driver to cover the hp34401A. The logic analyser client is probably the best application and is comparable with Saleae's own client. The streaming cli clients are also good, but I

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Mar 14, 2023, at 1:38 AM, Steve Lewis via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > Anyway, as an option slightly cheaper than the Saleae, I'm trying the > 32-channel version of the DreamSourceLab U3Pro32. It's not horrible, I've > 24 pins hooked up so far. I debated on if 2x16's would be better. >

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Sytse van Slooten via cctalk
I also use the pctestinstruments. One of its strong points is that it plays well with virtualbox - I run it in a W7 guest on my centos desktop. The buffer depth is usually a bit limiting though, and triggering is also somewhat basic. Another option that I haven't seen mentioned: use the

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Peter Coghlan via cctalk
> > There are some nice mixed signal oscilloscopes made by Rigol (Chinese) at a > very affordable price. > Until just over a year ago, buying very afforadable Russian oil and gas also seemed like a great idea with no downsides compared to getting these products elsewhere. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023, Steve Lewis wrote: I'm probing two DB25 connectors on the old IBM 5110 to figure out how to programmatically jiggle some pins and get some serial IO going.I've This is easy since it is an I/O bus. The instructions are GETB, PUTB, STAT and CTRL. In any case the

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Alexander Huemer via cctalk
On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 08:28:35PM -0500, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > On 3/13/2023 8:12 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > Gents, > > > > I've been doing logic debugging (on a fairly primitive software defined > > radio I designed back in 1999) with an old Philips logic analyzer. It's > >

[cctalk] Re: Low cost logic analyzer

2023-03-14 Thread Martin Bishop via cctalk
Paul Some options for consideration, not all meeting your specific requirement https://www.pctestinstruments.com/index.asp 34b wide, sync (200 MS/s) or async (500 MS/s) operation, fights with Win11 - driver upgrade required Had one for ~15 years, now has a few dead channels, merits

[cctalk] Re: Visiting the computer history museum (chm)

2023-03-14 Thread Curious Marc via cctalk
The cafeteria is open, there is a Starbucks and even a nice Italian across the street if you want to treat yourself. On Wednesdays we have a demo of the IBM 1401 at 3 pm, and before that the restoration team works on it from 10:30 am on (it needs constant maintenance and repairs to keep it