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> > >Oh yes, the styling is clearly very similar. I like the built-in tape > drive. Do you think that was likely inspired by the Commodore Pet? > It could have been. I think EACA were looking at something people could just pick up, take home and use without extra cables and "other bits". This is

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> On Oct 25, 2016, at 12:59, Terry Stewart wrote: > Lovely. I'm sure the sloping wood-(veener) sided case design of the Dick > Smith System 80 was inspired by the SOL. > > http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/system-80/hardware_s80-mk1-front-800.jpg Oh yes, the styling

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>I bought the lovely SOL-20 system yesterday. Picture: >https://twitter.com/nf6x/status/790631315695513600 Lovely. I'm sure the sloping wood-(veener) sided case design of the Dick Smith System 80 was inspired by the SOL.

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I bought the lovely SOL-20 system yesterday. Picture: https://twitter.com/nf6x/status/790631315695513600 It will probably be a week or three before I work with it in detail, because right now I'm nominally working on my absurd Retrochallenge 2016/10 project of making a USB interface for an

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Am 24.10.2016 um 23:28 schrieb Terry Stewart: Here is some I wrote some time ago on my experiences with vintage viruses. Bear in mind it's a narrative (and hence somewhat long-winded and rambling) but anyway..here it is for anyone interested...

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>>> What is the plural of a computer virus?). >> Viruses. >> The Latin word _virus_ [...] >> More than you ever wanted to know, I'm sure. > Actually, NO. What Fred said. Across the board. Thank you. That was informative, authoritative, and - impressive, managing to combine this with the other

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What is the plural of a computer virus?). On Mon, 24 Oct 2016, Rich Alderson wrote: Viruses. The Latin word _virus_ means "slime, poison", and is a collective noun . . . Furthermore, it is a neuter (neither masculine nor feminine) o-stem noun, . . . The -i marker of nominative plurals is

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From: Sean Conner Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 2:00 PM > MS-DOS had CP/M at its heart, and it had its fair share of virii (viruses? > What is the plural of a computer virus?). Viruses. The Latin word _virus_ means "slime, poison", and is a collective noun, like English _milk_ or _flour_ or

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Here is some I wrote some time ago on my experiences with vintage viruses. Bear in mind it's a narrative (and hence somewhat long-winded and rambling) but anyway..here it is for anyone interested... http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2009-08-30-vintage-viruses.htm Terry (Tez)

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Memory protection does not protect you from a virus. It can protect other running processes from being modified (if they belong to other users they can't be infected at all; other processes owned by the user it's possible, depending upon the system [1]) but that's it. -spc Sorry, I was

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It was thus said that the Great et...@757.org once stated: > > Early Macs definitely had viruses, a few that I got from thrift stores > still have the viruses on them. I don't think there is any memory > protection at all. Software selection for MacOS was pretty crappy, and it > was hard to get

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It was thus said that the Great allison once stated: > On 10/23/2016 09:15 PM, Mouse wrote: > >> My favorite formatter was my S100 crate with CP/M, [it's] impossible > >> to give a single user OS without background processing a virus. > > I disagree. I see nothing about "a single-user OS without

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On 24 October 2016 at 20:20, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > - Yes, classic Macs did get viruses. But as a user of a classic Mac since > 1987, I think I encountered one exactly once and my experience was not > unusual. They just weren't all that common and nearly everyone ran

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On 24 October 2016 at 18:58, wrote: > Software selection for MacOS was pretty crappy, and it was hard to get under > the hood. That's not my experience, TBH. Big, great S/W range, shareware and PD, hard_er_ but still possible to get under the hood. -- Liam Proven • Profile:

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On 24 October 2016 at 04:03, allison wrote: > Its highly unlikely as first it would have to install itself and do so > without corrupting the OS. > CP/M-80 is a machine monitor with a file system and lacking most of the > usual > read the disk and "do something" automation.

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On 24 October 2016 at 03:15, Mouse wrote: > > I disagree. I see nothing about "a single-user OS without background > processing" that would prevent a virus from infecting other programs, > even including the OS, when it's run, and potentially doing something > else as

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On 23 October 2016 at 19:12, Fred Cisin wrote: > But, I was explicitly referring to the time BEFORE OS-X! (<1999?) Ahh, well, that's entirely fair then. > Assholes who proclaimed themselves to be "experts" kept pushing our college > administration to SWITCH ALL of our our

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On 23 October 2016 at 18:03, Electronics Plus wrote: > I used to have factory original CD install disks from Zip drives, but I threw > them all out, because they were all infected with viruses. Iomega was kind > enough to send me clean install disks, after I mailed them back

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On Mon, 24 Oct 2016, et...@757.org wrote: I *DO* remember that in the local BBS wars, people who were toying with MS-DOS viruses would make them then submit them to the AV companies to get them on "the list." The huge list of viruses that the software would defend against. But in reality, they

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> Early Macs definitely had viruses, a few that I got from thrift stores > still have the viruses on them. I don't think there is any memory > protection at all. Software selection for MacOS was pretty crappy, and it > was hard to get under the hood. So protecting yourself from them would be >

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But, I was explicitly referring to the time BEFORE OS-X! (<1999?) Assholes who proclaimed themselves to be "experts" kept pushing our college administration to SWITCH ALL of our our student computer labs from PC to Mac, mostly using the LIE that "Macs are immune to viruses". Jumping in here

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On 10/23/2016 09:15 PM, Mouse wrote: >> My favorite formatter was my S100 crate with CP/M, [it's] impossible >> to give a single user OS without background processing a virus. > I disagree. I see nothing about "a single-user OS without background > processing" that would prevent a virus from

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On 10/22/2016 01:36 PM, Ali wrote: >>> I didn't think modern A/V products included complete historical sets >>> of signatures. I >> >> I would certainly expect them to, yes! > > Just wondering are you guys not running AV SW on your old HW? I personally > run period specific AV SW on my older

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> My favorite formatter was my S100 crate with CP/M, [it's] impossible > to give a single user OS without background processing a virus. I disagree. I see nothing about "a single-user OS without background processing" that would prevent a virus from infecting other programs, even including the

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>>> [...anti-virus...] >> [...] > Just wondering are you guys not running AV SW on your old HW? I am not. But then, because of my interests, the old hardware I keep is stuff like Sun SPARCs that are powerful enough to run a real operating system. These are (a) inherently invulnerable to most of

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-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Liam Proven Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 9:37 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Archived viruses, was Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system? On 22

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On 22 October 2016 at 21:21, Fred Cisin wrote: > On Sat, 22 Oct 2016, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> :-) >> A good 5-6y or more ago I restored an old Mac Classic II a friend gave >> me. I got it dual-booting System 6.0.8 and 7.1 and had both of them >> online via an Asanté EtherSCSI

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On 22/10/16 20:21, Fred Cisin wrote: > But "Marketing" convinced the public that Macs were IMMUNE TO GETTING > VIRUSES!:-) And "Engineering" (aka some teenager playing on their parents' Mac) decided to convince Marketing that they were wrong? And the whole scene unfolds with a tedious

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I wouldn't dismiss it if you're using images or any used software. Yes some platforms are more susceptible than others but unless you have no hard drive, power your system off after every use, and never switch disks while system is running it's still something that can infest your originals or

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On Sat, 22 Oct 2016, Liam Proven wrote: :-) A good 5-6y or more ago I restored an old Mac Classic II a friend gave me. I got it dual-booting System 6.0.8 and 7.1 and had both of them online via an Asanté EtherSCSI interface. To do this involved downloading a lot of ancient Mac software on my B

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On 10/21/2016 18:22, william degnan wrote: > > Stoned Monk is still detectable by modern anti virus software, 25 or > whatever years later, at least last time I tested using a win 7 machine. > So, that was maybe 4 or 5 years ago. Well, glad to hear there's nothing to worry about. Like I said,

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On 10/21/2016 09:43 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > Certain college administrators declared that every machine that was > infected would have to be destroyed; "it is impossible to remove the > virus". Have I mentioned a colleague whom they tried to terminate for > removing machines from dumpsters? > At

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On Oct 21, 2016 8:30 PM, "Steven M Jones" wrote: > > On 10/21/2016 14:15, william degnan wrote: > > Any disk or archive you come upon from the early 90's should be scanned for > > viruses before use on a vintage machine. USe a modern PC as it's no biggie > > to clean old

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On 22 October 2016 at 19:36, Ali wrote: > > Just wondering are you guys not running AV SW on your old HW? I personally > run period specific AV SW on my older machines. Granted I have mostly IBM > 51xx series machines and later Macs so AV SW is easier to find. > > Since I

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> > I didn't think modern A/V products included complete historical sets > > of signatures. I > > > I would certainly expect them to, yes! Just wondering are you guys not running AV SW on your old HW? I personally run period specific AV SW on my older machines. Granted I have mostly IBM 51xx

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On 22 October 2016 at 18:54, Terry Stewart wrote: > My copy of AVG detected the stoned virus on an old floppy on my WinXP > machine a couple of years ago. :-) A good 5-6y or more ago I restored an old Mac Classic II a friend gave me. I got it dual-booting System 6.0.8

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> I used to work for AVG; I can ask if you like. My copy of AVG detected the stoned virus on an old floppy on my WinXP machine a couple of years ago. Terry (Tez)

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On 22 October 2016 at 00:05, Steven M Jones wrote: > I didn't think modern A/V products included complete historical sets of > signatures. I I would certainly expect them to, yes! I used to work for AVG; I can ask if you like. But yes. Also, they include malware

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> > John McAfee predicted that 5 million computers would be wiped out. > The press were called in. > > On March 6, there were apparently DOZENS of drives wiped. Few, if any records kept to verify numbers. > McAfee, as expected, took full credit, and declared that the REASON why it was dozens,

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On 10/21/2016 14:15, william degnan wrote: > Any disk or archive you come upon from the early 90's should be scanned for > viruses before use on a vintage machine. USe a modern PC as it's no biggie > to clean old viruses that way. Scan before you use on an older machine, > scan inside of ZIP

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Just curious as I remember this came up in a couple other forums > that I think one or two of the images did have a virus). > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:17 AM, James Attfield <ja...@attfield.co.uk> > wrote: > > > > From: "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com>

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On Wed, 19 Oct 2016, Sam O'nella wrote: Does that archive on classiccmp.org have the infected images removed or cleaned? (Just curious as I remember this came up in a couple other forums that I think one or two of the images did have a virus). an 8080/Z80 compatible CP/M virus??? Or are you

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> From: "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system? > Message-ID: <B1054C1D081C4DB9881083349D0D5B64@310e2> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Any chance you still ha

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t; > From: "Mike Stein" <mhs.st...@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system? > > Message-ID: <B1054C1D081C4DB9881083349D0D5B64@310e2> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > >

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> From: "Mark J. Blair" <n...@nf6x.net> > Subject: Re: Reasonable price for a complete SOL-20 system? > > The gunstock wood origin story sounds more plausible, but less fragrant. > > -- > Mark J. Blair, NF6X <n...@nf6x.net> Not to rain on anyone's p

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"This was real. This was more real even than reality. This was history. It might not be true, but that had nothing to do with it." - Terry Pratchett "Wyrd Sisters" On the other hand, the wood top for the Northstar Horizon was plywood from Ashby Lumber. On Sun, 16 Oct 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote:

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On 10/16/2016 01:49 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > "This was real. This was more real even than reality. This was > history. It might not be true, but that had nothing to do with it." - > Terry Pratchett "Wyrd Sisters" > > > On the other hand, the wood top for the Northstar Horizon was > plywood from

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I don't think I have any other wooden computers yet. The seller had an interesting tale about the origin of the wood in these particular computers. As the legend goes, the father of one of the principals of Processor Technology had a contract to remove wharfs from along the Mississippi river,

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The gunstock wood origin story sounds more plausible, but less fragrant. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

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On 10/16/2016 5:54 AM, Corey Cohen wrote: On Oct 15, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: I don't think I have any other wooden computers yet. The seller had an interesting tale about the origin of the wood in these particular computers. As the legend goes, the father of

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> On Oct 15, 2016, at 19:02, Sam O'nella wrote: > > Congratulations! Fun to find some of the wooden generation of computers. Keep > us posted on the restoration efforts (if any) :-) I don't think I have any other wooden computers yet. The seller had an interesting tale

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Congratulations! Fun to find some of the wooden generation of computers. Keep us posted on the restoration efforts (if any) :-) Original message From: "Mark J. Blair" 》the deal to be completed in a little over a week

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As promised, I have an update: The seller and I have finished haggling, with the deal to be completed in a little over a week, for an undisclosed sum to be paid in small, unmarked bills. Thanks for the help, folks! -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/

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> On Oct 15, 2016, at 12:42, Corey Cohen wrote: > > The disk drive can really affect value. If it's a Northstar system, then > maybe add 400 bucks the most. If it's a Helios. A working drive can be > priceless if the drive is still the original Persci one. I

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corey cohen uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ > On Oct 15, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > >> On Sat, 15 Oct 2016, Corey Cohen wrote: >> A few more things to note. Assume the keyboard needs new foam, no big deal. >> Check the wood to make sure it's not cracked. And make sure you have

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On Sat, 15 Oct 2016, Ian S. King wrote: Please tell me that said institution has since been burned to the ground. "That junk", indeed. WHEN they burn to the ground (there are four campuses and a small complex of administration buildings), I will lose my retirement health benefits. But, my

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On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > But then, the college tried to FIRE him for, among other things, > retrieving computers from college dumpsters and having too much old > computer stuff. The judge of the arbitration reversed the firing, but the > college

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On Sat, 15 Oct 2016, Corey Cohen wrote: A few more things to note. Assume the keyboard needs new foam, no big deal. Check the wood to make sure it's not cracked. And make sure you have the personality module included. Does the disk system include a boot disk? Minus a few hundred, if not!

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> On Oct 15, 2016, at 3:08 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > > >> On Oct 15, 2016, at 12:04, Brad H >> wrote: >> >> >> >> SOL-20s have been all over the map. Ive seen similar units diverge by as >> much as $500 for nothing obvious I can see.

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> On Oct 15, 2016, at 12:04, Brad H wrote: > > > > SOL-20s have been all over the map. Ive seen similar units diverge by as > much as $500 for nothing obvious I can see. The average for unknown, > complete, decent cosmetic condition seems to be around

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SOL-20s have been all over the map.  Ive seen similar units diverge by as much as $500 for nothing obvious I can see.  The average for unknown, complete, decent cosmetic condition seems to be around $900. With extras probably $1300? Sent from my Samsung device Original message