Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
I've posted the job on the Jobs List, for those of you who were interested. Thanks for the all the feedback on telecommuters, etc. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:4002 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
The CF-Jobs list is probably the most focused location to post the gig for people who participate actively in the CF community. Many ColdFusion User groups will also posts jobs to their membership. Michael would probably know if that exists in NYC. There is a whole other group of developers out there (alot are corporate drones) who don't really participate in the community. Those people you'll find mainly at places like monster and the other big job boards. -Cameron On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:31 PM, carl starm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to hire a cold fusion/sql pro shortly for NYC. Our preference is for someone to work at our location in NYC. I'll post the job here, but I was wondering what other places I should post this job to. I want to choose the best person for the job and would like to interview a few people. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3985 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
Agreed on just about everything but the health insurance. Full-time telecommuters still often require full benefits with regard to health insurance, 401k, etc. True, you still save money on the overhead. I happen to be on my husband's insurance, but many are still the sole providers. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I've got a major bias here, but I'll say it anyway. carl starm wrote: Our preference is for someone to work at our location in NYC. Carl, there are several good people out there that you are bypassing because you are wanting someone in NYC. Did you consider the following? 1) A remote location person can be as connected with your team (perhaps more so) then someone on site via IM, email, video conferencing, etc. 2) By not asking them to take transportation every day to work, you are helping the planet (Ok, perhaps you aren't interested in being green, but perhaps you are). 3) This one is usually the one that grabs peoples attention. Hiring a telecommuting person not only means that you have more people to select from, but it may be CHEAPER... Consider the cost of living in NYC. It's pretty high. Now compare that to the cost of living in (let's say) Montana. I would presume that it's much less. It would probably cost less to hire a programmer there. Not only that, but you don't need to provide space in the office, a computer, worry about lunch breaks, health insurance, etc. Seriously. Unless you have something you are working on for the government that requires top secret clearance, then you should seriously consider telecommuting. Heck, I wouldn't mind the job, but I also need to be at home at this stage of my life, so you are missing out on (what I consider) a pretty kick ass CF developer. :) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3987 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
Oh.. I agree as well that we would appricate health insurance. But if it's the difference between me getting a job with no health insurance and not getting a job that has it because I need to telecommute, I'll take the job with no health insurance. :) Vicky wrote: Agreed on just about everything but the health insurance. Full-time telecommuters still often require full benefits with regard to health insurance, 401k, etc. True, you still save money on the overhead. I happen to be on my husband's insurance, but many are still the sole providers. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3988 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
RE: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
I've been in business for myself for 14+ years. Have always paid for my own health insurance, it can be had for pretty cheap, got full coverage with a $5k annual deductible for $280 per month for a family of 6. Adjust your hourly rates accordingly if that seems high. I for one don't want anyone else in charge of my health care or anything else important to me such as my 401k plan. Don -Original Message- From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:07 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there? Agreed on just about everything but the health insurance. Full-time telecommuters still often require full benefits with regard to health insurance, 401k, etc. True, you still save money on the overhead. I happen to be on my husband's insurance, but many are still the sole providers. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I've got a major bias here, but I'll say it anyway. carl starm wrote: Our preference is for someone to work at our location in NYC. Carl, there are several good people out there that you are bypassing because you are wanting someone in NYC. Did you consider the following? 1) A remote location person can be as connected with your team (perhaps more so) then someone on site via IM, email, video conferencing, etc. 2) By not asking them to take transportation every day to work, you are helping the planet (Ok, perhaps you aren't interested in being green, but perhaps you are). 3) This one is usually the one that grabs peoples attention. Hiring a telecommuting person not only means that you have more people to select from, but it may be CHEAPER... Consider the cost of living in NYC. It's pretty high. Now compare that to the cost of living in (let's say) Montana. I would presume that it's much less. It would probably cost less to hire a programmer there. Not only that, but you don't need to provide space in the office, a computer, worry about lunch breaks, health insurance, etc. Seriously. Unless you have something you are working on for the government that requires top secret clearance, then you should seriously consider telecommuting. Heck, I wouldn't mind the job, but I also need to be at home at this stage of my life, so you are missing out on (what I consider) a pretty kick ass CF developer. :) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3989 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
That's your prerogative. I just don't want people misled that hiring telecommuters necessarily means not having to provide benefits. While many telecommuters are contracted, many are not. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Don Bellamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been in business for myself for 14+ years. Have always paid for my own health insurance, it can be had for pretty cheap, got full coverage with a $5k annual deductible for $280 per month for a family of 6. Adjust your hourly rates accordingly if that seems high. I for one don't want anyone else in charge of my health care or anything else important to me such as my 401k plan. Don -Original Message- From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:07 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there? Agreed on just about everything but the health insurance. Full-time telecommuters still often require full benefits with regard to health insurance, 401k, etc. True, you still save money on the overhead. I happen to be on my husband's insurance, but many are still the sole providers. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I've got a major bias here, but I'll say it anyway. carl starm wrote: Our preference is for someone to work at our location in NYC. Carl, there are several good people out there that you are bypassing because you are wanting someone in NYC. Did you consider the following? 1) A remote location person can be as connected with your team (perhaps more so) then someone on site via IM, email, video conferencing, etc. 2) By not asking them to take transportation every day to work, you are helping the planet (Ok, perhaps you aren't interested in being green, but perhaps you are). 3) This one is usually the one that grabs peoples attention. Hiring a telecommuting person not only means that you have more people to select from, but it may be CHEAPER... Consider the cost of living in NYC. It's pretty high. Now compare that to the cost of living in (let's say) Montana. I would presume that it's much less. It would probably cost less to hire a programmer there. Not only that, but you don't need to provide space in the office, a computer, worry about lunch breaks, health insurance, etc. Seriously. Unless you have something you are working on for the government that requires top secret clearance, then you should seriously consider telecommuting. Heck, I wouldn't mind the job, but I also need to be at home at this stage of my life, so you are missing out on (what I consider) a pretty kick ass CF developer. :) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3990 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
RE: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
I am a full-time permanent employee of a Fortune 500 company and am a full-time telecommuter. I live in Arlington, Texas and my boss and *most* of my team members are in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. It works out really well. I have full benefits as I am a regular employee. I have also managed employees remotely, and while I will admit that there are some challenges to managing remote employees, from a development perspective, you can collaborate and work together just as well remotely as you can in person, and in some cases, are even more productive. The issue that I think most managers have with hiring remote employees is TRUST. They don't trust the employee to be in front of their keyboard 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. What they fail to realize, is that most employees in an office aren't in front of their keyboard 8 hours a day either. There's chatting with their co-workers, going to coffee or smoke breaks, long lunches because you have to drive 15 minutes to a restaurant, etc. Also, you are more likely to be interrupted when someone (especially the end-user) can walk by your desk than if they must pick up the phone or IM you. In fact, if you're busy, and someone IM's you, just ignore it and answer later. If you're busy and someone phones you, ignore it and answer later. But if you're busy and someone walks by your desk, what are you going to do, say, sorry, I can't talk right now, can you please leave? No, you're going to stop what your doing, and interruptions can cost 2-5 times more than the actual time of the interruption (for example, interrupt a programmer for 10 minutes, and it could actually be a loss of 20-30 minutes because of the time it takes to get ramped back up and 'in the zone', depending on what they were doing at the time of interruption. All that is said to say this: When I become a manager again, I won't have any problem hiring remote employees. If they don't produce, then I will let them go and get someone who will. The bottom line is that most remote employees (if they have experience being remote) knows that and they will produce oftentimes, even better than someone 'in the office'. Results are what matters, not how much time is spent tapping on their keyboard. Are they meeting deadlines? Are they producing quality code? Then who cares where they are located! Dave Phillips -Original Message- From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:40 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there? That's your prerogative. I just don't want people misled that hiring telecommuters necessarily means not having to provide benefits. While many telecommuters are contracted, many are not. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Don Bellamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been in business for myself for 14+ years. Have always paid for my own health insurance, it can be had for pretty cheap, got full coverage with a $5k annual deductible for $280 per month for a family of 6. Adjust your hourly rates accordingly if that seems high. I for one don't want anyone else in charge of my health care or anything else important to me such as my 401k plan. Don -Original Message- From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:07 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there? Agreed on just about everything but the health insurance. Full-time telecommuters still often require full benefits with regard to health insurance, 401k, etc. True, you still save money on the overhead. I happen to be on my husband's insurance, but many are still the sole providers. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I've got a major bias here, but I'll say it anyway. carl starm wrote: Our preference is for someone to work at our location in NYC. Carl, there are several good people out there that you are bypassing because you are wanting someone in NYC. Did you consider the following? 1) A remote location person can be as connected with your team (perhaps more so) then someone on site via IM, email, video conferencing, etc. 2) By not asking them to take transportation every day to work, you are helping the planet (Ok, perhaps you aren't interested in being green, but perhaps you are). 3) This one is usually the one that grabs peoples attention. Hiring a telecommuting person not only means that you have more people to select from, but it may be CHEAPER... Consider the cost of living in NYC. It's pretty high. Now compare that to the cost of living in (let's say) Montana. I would presume that it's much less. It would probably cost less to hire a programmer there. Not only that, but you don't need to provide space in the office, a computer, worry about lunch breaks, health insurance, etc. Seriously. Unless you have something you
RE: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
In the past 20+ years in IT with ColdFusion and other technologies I have worked about 35% of the time remotely. I have also managed an uncountable number of developers and functional team member remotely. Remote employees that possess a strong work ethic tend to perform at a more productive rate then in-house team member because they do not want to risk a negative appearance. I have also found that the work quality is usually higher most likely as a result of the lack of stress from the absence of office politics, coworker distractions, traffic, etc. It is important though to have a clear project direction prior to bringing a remote employee on. But that should also be the case with an in-house team member. Thanks David Wilf PMP -Original Message- From: Dave Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:56 PM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: RE: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there? I am a full-time permanent employee of a Fortune 500 company and am a full-time telecommuter. I live in Arlington, Texas and my boss and *most* of my team members are in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. It works out really well. I have full benefits as I am a regular employee. I have also managed employees remotely, and while I will admit that there are some challenges to managing remote employees, from a development perspective, you can collaborate and work together just as well remotely as you can in person, and in some cases, are even more productive. The issue that I think most managers have with hiring remote employees is TRUST. They don't trust the employee to be in front of their keyboard 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. What they fail to realize, is that most employees in an office aren't in front of their keyboard 8 hours a day either. There's chatting with their co-workers, going to coffee or smoke breaks, long lunches because you have to drive 15 minutes to a restaurant, etc. Also, you are more likely to be interrupted when someone (especially the end-user) can walk by your desk than if they must pick up the phone or IM you. In fact, if you're busy, and someone IM's you, just ignore it and answer later. If you're busy and someone phones you, ignore it and answer later. But if you're busy and someone walks by your desk, what are you going to do, say, sorry, I can't talk right now, can you please leave? No, you're going to stop what your doing, and interruptions can cost 2-5 times more than the actual time of the interruption (for example, interrupt a programmer for 10 minutes, and it could actually be a loss of 20-30 minutes because of the time it takes to get ramped back up and 'in the zone', depending on what they were doing at the time of interruption. All that is said to say this: When I become a manager again, I won't have any problem hiring remote employees. If they don't produce, then I will let them go and get someone who will. The bottom line is that most remote employees (if they have experience being remote) knows that and they will produce oftentimes, even better than someone 'in the office'. Results are what matters, not how much time is spent tapping on their keyboard. Are they meeting deadlines? Are they producing quality code? Then who cares where they are located! Dave Phillips -Original Message- From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:40 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there? That's your prerogative. I just don't want people misled that hiring telecommuters necessarily means not having to provide benefits. While many telecommuters are contracted, many are not. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Don Bellamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been in business for myself for 14+ years. Have always paid for my own health insurance, it can be had for pretty cheap, got full coverage with a $5k annual deductible for $280 per month for a family of 6. Adjust your hourly rates accordingly if that seems high. I for one don't want anyone else in charge of my health care or anything else important to me such as my 401k plan. Don -Original Message- From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:07 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there? Agreed on just about everything but the health insurance. Full-time telecommuters still often require full benefits with regard to health insurance, 401k, etc. True, you still save money on the overhead. I happen to be on my husband's insurance, but many are still the sole providers. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I've got a major bias here, but I'll say it anyway. carl starm wrote: Our preference is for someone to work at our location in NYC. Carl, there are several good people out there that you are bypassing because you are wanting someone in NYC. Did you
Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
My last FT job was 50% on site / 50% telecommute, and I can certainly vouch for being able to get more coding done at home than in the office. Not only do people tend not to contact you unless it is truly important... but personally, I feel more guilty (for lack of a better word.. I'm no slouch in either scenario) when taking a break at home vs. taking one at work. I tend to take less breaks at home, and I also tend to use the time I save on commuting for active coding. Not to mention, there's nothing like being able to remote in at 10pm right when a good idea or a resolution to a problem hit me like a ton of bricks! I have overseen other telecommuters, and it is as easy to know if they're not getting their work done as it is in the office. Easier, in fact. Especially when using a shared repository of files that are checked in and out. I've always been of the opinion that if you can't trust the person working for you, then they shouldn't be working for you. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Dave Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a full-time permanent employee of a Fortune 500 company and am a full-time telecommuter. I live in Arlington, Texas and my boss and *most* of my team members are in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. It works out really well. I have full benefits as I am a regular employee. I have also managed employees remotely, and while I will admit that there are some challenges to managing remote employees, from a development perspective, you can collaborate and work together just as well remotely as you can in person, and in some cases, are even more productive. The issue that I think most managers have with hiring remote employees is TRUST. They don't trust the employee to be in front of their keyboard 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. What they fail to realize, is that most employees in an office aren't in front of their keyboard 8 hours a day either. There's chatting with their co-workers, going to coffee or smoke breaks, long lunches because you have to drive 15 minutes to a restaurant, etc. Also, you are more likely to be interrupted when someone (especially the end-user) can walk by your desk than if they must pick up the phone or IM you. In fact, if you're busy, and someone IM's you, just ignore it and answer later. If you're busy and someone phones you, ignore it and answer later. But if you're busy and someone walks by your desk, what are you going to do, say, sorry, I can't talk right now, can you please leave? No, you're going to stop what your doing, and interruptions can cost 2-5 times more than the actual time of the interruption (for example, interrupt a programmer for 10 minutes, and it could actually be a loss of 20-30 minutes because of the time it takes to get ramped back up and 'in the zone', depending on what they were doing at the time of interruption. All that is said to say this: When I become a manager again, I won't have any problem hiring remote employees. If they don't produce, then I will let them go and get someone who will. The bottom line is that most remote employees (if they have experience being remote) knows that and they will produce oftentimes, even better than someone 'in the office'. Results are what matters, not how much time is spent tapping on their keyboard. Are they meeting deadlines? Are they producing quality code? Then who cares where they are located! Dave Phillips -Original Message- From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:40 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there? That's your prerogative. I just don't want people misled that hiring telecommuters necessarily means not having to provide benefits. While many telecommuters are contracted, many are not. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Don Bellamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been in business for myself for 14+ years. Have always paid for my own health insurance, it can be had for pretty cheap, got full coverage with a $5k annual deductible for $280 per month for a family of 6. Adjust your hourly rates accordingly if that seems high. I for one don't want anyone else in charge of my health care or anything else important to me such as my 401k plan. Don -Original Message- From: Vicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:07 AM To: CF-Jobs-Talk Subject: Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there? Agreed on just about everything but the health insurance. Full-time telecommuters still often require full benefits with regard to health insurance, 401k, etc. True, you still save money on the overhead. I happen to be on my husband's insurance, but many are still the sole providers. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Phillip M. Vector [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I've got a major bias here, but I'll say it anyway. carl starm
Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
Sorry if this is a repost. It bounced as a body too long :) My last FT job was 50% on site / 50% telecommute, and I can certainly vouch for being able to get more coding done at home than in the office. Not only do people tend not to contact you unless it is truly important... but personally, I feel more guilty (for lack of a better word.. I'm no slouch in either scenario) when taking a break at home vs. taking one at work. I tend to take less breaks at home, and I also tend to use the time I save on commuting for active coding. Not to mention, there's nothing like being able to remote in at 10pm right when a good idea or a resolution to a problem hits me like a ton of bricks! I have overseen other telecommuters, and it is as easy to know if they're not getting their work done as it is in the office. Easier, in fact. Especially when using a shared repository of files that are checked in and out. I've always been of the opinion that if you can't trust the person working for you, then they shouldn't be working for you. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3994 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
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Sorry if this is a repost. It bounced as a body too long :) The wording on those messages is a little misleading I think... The messages don't actually bounce, it's just a reminder to trim, but the message does actually go through to the list. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3995 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
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I said my preference (not requirement) was to have someone in the office with me as this position is to be my tech lead. I do have people working remotely and they do fine. I find that day to day collaboration is much easy if I can turn around, ask a question in detail and get a quick answer. Again not a requirement, but my experience has been that having a team together physically has been most productive. I'll post the job on this site shortly and open it to telecommuters. I really want the best possible person and if it's a telecommuter, so be it. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3996 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
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carl starm wrote: I find that day to day collaboration is much easy if I can turn around, ask a question in detail and get a quick answer. Again not a requirement, but my experience has been that having a team together physically has been most productive. Just to note, that person you just asked a question in detail to may now have to spend time getting back to what he's doing. :) It works both ways though.. I once had a client who (no stretching of the truth here) called me 10 times a day asking about the project. I eventually got it done, but it ended up taking triple the time. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3997 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
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Dave Phillips wrote: I don't think the point here is that a project lead or client shouldn't be able to ask the developer a question. That's kind of ludicrous. However, calling and asking a question in detail is just as weasy as turning around and asking a question in detail. Not for everyone! Some people are more comfortable in person than on the phone or over IM. And, better yet, quick questions done over IM usually don't turn into long conversations, like they can in person. My experience is that 'quick' IM conversations with clients can often stretch; just like in person conversations. But, I think it all boils down to trust and communication. As long as developer and manager can communicate; they'll work well together. Some people communicate better in person. -- Jeffry Houser Flex, ColdFusion, AIR AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- Adobe Community Expert http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/JeffryHouser.html My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3999 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
The thing about IM / email communication is that you don't have to sit there unproductive while staring intently at someone to make sure you hear every word and then try to mentally reflect back on the whole conversation in order to give a complete answer. You can keep on coding throughout the discussion, looking up and scrolling back as necessary. You can also toss people quick reference links. If you know you're about to regurgitate the basic purpose of a MOD operator before discussing its application in a particular scenario, you toss up the link to the CF doc. When the person asking is caught up, then you can get down to the specifics of its application with regard to the project at hand. (That's a simple scenario.) And the most beautiful thing about it all is that you can have 3 such coversations going on at once. Finally... which is more productive... a daily hour long round robin cram session during which nothing gets done... or an ongoing chatroom transcript where people can tap into each other as needed on an ongoing basis? Bonus: A log to reference. Personally, I think whether or not telecommuting is suitable depends on the nature of the project. And frankly, whether one telecommutes or works on-site, most people work much more efficiently indeed without a micro-manager breathing down their necks. A good manager has a well-oiled machine that will run whether or not he's walking from cube to cube nagging people for the proverbial TPS reports. If someone must be micromanaged in order to assure that they complete their tasks... get rid of them! On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Phillips wrote: I don't think the point here is that a project lead or client shouldn't be able to ask the developer a question. That's kind of ludicrous. However, calling and asking a question in detail is just as weasy as turning around and asking a question in detail. Not for everyone! Some people are more comfortable in person than on the phone or over IM. And, better yet, quick questions done over IM usually don't turn into long conversations, like they can in person. My experience is that 'quick' IM conversations with clients can often stretch; just like in person conversations. But, I think it all boils down to trust and communication. As long as developer and manager can communicate; they'll work well together. Some people communicate better in person. -- Jeffry Houser Flex, ColdFusion, AIR AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- Adobe Community Expert http://www.adobe.com/communities/experts/members/JeffryHouser.html My Company: http://www.dot-com-it.com My Podcast: http://www.theflexshow.com My Blog: http://www.jeffryhouser.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:4000 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
RE: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
@Dave, A good manager who manages to their employees and who THEY are (the employee) can manage anyone remotely. If they need to be micro, it's because the employee's abilities/skills demand it. It is unfortunate that in my career, I have only found 1 or 2 managers who come even 'close' to that description. @thread, I see both sides of this coin. The benefits of having an employee or contractor on-site as well as the benefits of having a telecommuter. Personally, I prefer to have a 'blended' environment. An environment where although the programmer may work off-site, there is availability to come on-site for department meetings. But then, I hire based on my needs, not necessarily on the needs or the individual programmer. I will, use a telecommuter in positions that I feel can warrant that type of arrangement, but I will also require 'on-site' only as my needs, or my client needs, require it. William ::-Original Message- ::From: Dave Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ::Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 2:54 PM ::To: CF-Jobs-Talk ::Subject: RE: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there? :: ::I don't think the point here is that a project lead or client shouldn't be ::able to ask the developer a question. That's kind of ludicrous. However, ::calling and asking a question in detail is just as weasy as turning around ::and asking a question in detail. And, better yet, quick questions done ::over ::IM usually don't turn into long conversations, like they can in person. :: ::That said, one thing is TRUE: A manager's attitude and preferences will ::determine whether or not a remote relationship will work. It's not ::whether ::a developer can do it or not, really (although there are probably some who ::are better off to be working in an office, or not developing at all). ::It's ::really what the manager's method of management is. A micro manager (don't ::assume I mean micro managers are bad) can't manage remote employees - they ::will go crazy (both the manager and the employee). :: ::A good manager who manages to their employees and who THEY are (the ::employee) can manage anyone remotely. If they need to be micro, it's ::because the employee's abilities/skills demand it. :: ::Dave :: ::-Original Message- ::From: Phillip M. Vector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ::Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 4:28 PM ::To: CF-Jobs-Talk ::Subject: Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there? :: ::carl starm wrote: :: I find that day to day collaboration is much easy if I can turn around, ::ask a question in detail and get a quick answer. Again not a requirement, ::but my experience has been that having a team together physically has been ::most productive. :: ::Just to note, that person you just asked a question in detail to may now ::have to spend time getting back to what he's doing. :) :: ::It works both ways though.. I once had a client who (no stretching of ::the truth here) called me 10 times a day asking about the project. I ::eventually got it done, but it ended up taking triple the time. :: :: :: :: ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:4001 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
Re: What Cold Fusion Job boards are there?
NY is a hard place to find people as they're all 'taken'. Those who are freelancers, like myself, either have a few set contracts or are at the whim of headhunters who want to fit a programmer into a box with a low price with no concept of skill. I'm talking to a friend to get some space at Touro College to do a few non-official classes on CF, HTML, Content Optimization, User Interface, Editorial, and Psychology (yes, they all interrelate). Once I get a few people living through that, I'll let people know. It'll take at least 3 months to do it right my way. On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:31 PM, carl starm [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I need to hire a cold fusion/sql pro shortly for NYC. Our preference is for someone to work at our location in NYC. I'll post the job here, but I was wondering what other places I should post this job to. I want to choose the best person for the job and would like to interview a few people. Thanks, ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:3984 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Jobs-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11
