For an easy/free way to check your knowledge before taking the CF 4.5 exam,
check out www.brainbench.com.
They have over 50 free IT related tests, all for free.
Ryan Hartwich
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Keith,
While I can't guarantee it, I think there was some reason why I was unable
to accomplish the setup using Workstation that you are wanting to try.
Ryan
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for fliers
etc., and maybe 2 minutes to talk at most. Anything else, is purely
networking and should not be 'officially' sponsored.
If
however, they have something technical/useful to present to the community, then
it should be allowed, just not blatant propaganda.
Ryan
Hartwich
Ron,
No...please, nothing fun, interesting, or useful please! I won't be able to
attend and would prefer not to miss anything important. Why don't you cover
some arcane topic like adding single digit base ten integers together?
Ryan
Mark,
I'll be there :-), that should well make it worth your time.
Brian, good idea for tonights meeting!
Ryan
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I have some begining specifications that I worked on a number of months ago
with ideas for the project management. It focused more on the billing and
hour tracking aspects however. I also spoke with someone in another city
who has a similar project that he built. He might be willing to share
I don't know about that. They have had HomeSite in all of the dreamweaver
products since day one.Flash and CF work together a little bit.
Ultradev works with CF.
Sounds like it might work out for the best for all of us CF developers since
it will give them a better fighting chance against
SCRIPT language="JavaScript"
window.setTimeout("refreshmenu()",250)
function refreshmenu() {
window.open('filename.cfm', 'framename if applicable')
}
/SCRIPT
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Jean,
Great idea for dynamic PDF creation!
If anyone has any insight into how dynamic graphics work using either the
add on software for CF (CFX_GraphicsServer) or the up coming beta 2 of CF 5
I would like to hear about that also.
Ryan
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Jean,
I would have emailed you directly, but you didn't leave your email address.
There is no meeting tonight. It has been rescheduled for the 25th? because
of Ben Forta speaking from Macromedia.
Ryan
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Jered,
Try the following.
Ryan
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In your login page:
!--- Checks to see if an error code was passed back from the action
page ---
cfif IsDefined(URL.ecode)
cfoutputfont color=#Session.Errorcolor#
cfif Url.ecode EQ 1
An error has occured due to insufficient or
You could also consider limiting the number/frequency of connections to the
same IP address. If the user uses an IP address to frequently, or too
quickly you would shut them down. For instance, limit your searches to 5-10
per 3 minute period.
Ryan
Bryan Chris,
You have given us great insight into finding table column names in Access.
Do you have a way in SQL Server? I tried looking at some of the sysobjects
type tables but they are pretty heavily populated with strange data.
Ryan
Bryan,
Are you telling us that Netscape 6 is using Javascript 1.1 now instead of
the 1.2/1.3 that it (NN 4.7) and IE have been using?
Ryan
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Rick,
My
apologies. Apparently Matt has done this particular code massaging
before. Use his example, it is far easier and faster than my own impromtu
solution.
Ryan
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Adelino Ame,
I have been told that the position has already been filled (2 weeks ago).
Sorry
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The cffile tag has an attribute, NAMECONFLICT, that allows you to set: skip,
overwrite, makeunique.
Try that out. If the file already exists and you try to overwrite it
without the attribute being set you will have a problem.
Ryan
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Does anyone have any ideas for next Tuesday's meeting?
Has anyone worked with blending Flash 5 and CF together in order to allow
database integration? Could anyone speak on this subject? I am interested
in hearing about how this is done and some of the benefits and limitations
of using the
Daryl,
*Your idea on CFFLUSH would be good.
*I have also heard a few others ask about using CFGRAPH (brief demo would be
nice).
*I am interested in hearing about the functionality of connecting Flash
CF/databases. More specifically, can/how does Flash on the client side
allow dynamic access to
I don't recall there being any meeting in the last 2 weeks???
The last one I attended was the Cost Xpert one where Girish discussed how to
analyze project costs (estimation) and used CostXpert.com's software as a
brief example.
#1 - Bryan will have to answer #1 (archive)
#2 - I have broached
Try doing a select on the column you need and using the result when you
insert into the 2nd table.
Ryan
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Subject: Re: [KCFusion]
Don't forget, you can also do a select on the key/primary table and then do
a RecordCount on the query. If you have 0 rows returned then the value
doesn't exist and you don't want to insert. If it does exist you can then
use the value
Glad to be of assistance,
Ryan
There is a custom tag that outputs the session and application variables for
1 session. You probably can modify it to show everyone. The down side is
that it doesn't show structures/wddx as far as I know.
The file below I have saved as my OnRequestEnd.cfm file
Ryan
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I admit to completely forgetting about the meeting this month...sorry.
I think I can put a few brief things together however. I have been
reading a few of the chapters on XML and SOAP in the new Professional
ColdFusion 5.0 book. If people are interested, here are a few ideas
that we can
RE: CF Job board for KC.
I have some experience in this area. Let me mull over some ideas the
next few days and get back to the group.
Ryan
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Adaryl,
To be quite honest, that's the hardest part. Hopefully people will be
willing to supply names of employers that use CF. Just like you knew
that the visitor's bureau uses it, others will mention names of
companies they have worked with.
I am thinking of the pros/cons of having a
We use the getdate() function in SQL Server to force a date on an INSERT
statement. It seems to work just fine for us and we haven't had a need
to use the CreateODBCDate() function. It uses the system clock to
create the date. I believe there is a similar getdate() function (or
the same one)
When you enter your IP address in the debugging, make sure you hit the
'apply' button. If you don't, when you click on debugging again, your
IP# won't be there. Hitting apply is all that should be needed to make
it work. No restart necessary.
Check your IP# to verify its correct. Also, if
We are trying to implement a set of objects created by one of our
partners for exchanging data and are encountering intermittent and
inconsistent errors. An example of the test code we are running is
below. We know that the code and objects work for the most part because
we are able to exchange
nothing in return.
Please upgrade your 'follower' status to 'leader'!
Below are some ideas I sent earlier in the week to a few people, only 1
person replied.
Ryan Hartwich
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It appears as if CF Studio 5 is now available for purchase (evaluation
version is not yet available).
There are also a few announcements about other Macromedia products that
may interest you.
CF 6/NEO announcement:
http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2001/index_neo_partners.fh
tml
Obviously, the more data you send back the slower the transmission.
Likewise, the render times by the browser. You should try to minimize
the use of tables, particularly the nexted ones a few deep. Tables are
slow to render.
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I am also planning on attending. We are at 4 now.
Don: Oh...sure...new baby...good excuse :-)
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Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Meeting
Jodi,
A few year back, Robin Greenhagen, Bryan LaPlante, and Ron Hornbaker
helped to form the user group. When I started attending about a year
and a half ago we had a reasonably good turnout that varied from 8 to 30
depending on the speaker and the subject matter. We have had one of the
Fusebox 3 - Matthew Jones has agreed to bring a very brief (5 minutes
probably) set of teaser materials to the meeting tomorrow evening. It
obviously won't be a complete examination of the Fusebox methodology,
but it might help to spark an interest in people and give you an idea of
the benefits
We have been experiencing this intermittently, but frequently on one of
our staging servers. We have not yet been able to isolate the problem.
Sometimes it happens repeatedly when he barely touch the machine, other
times it runs fine for days on end.
We think it might have to do with locking of
It was rushed into production so that MM could claim it was available at
their developer's conference a few weeks ago. It generally takes a
month or so for the actual materials to be manufactured and distributed.
I believe all of the documentation is available in pdf for free on the
site.
You could use cfinclude which uses the variables in the calling page
directly. The down side is that you loose some of your reuse
capabilities that cfmodule gives you.
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Do you need to use a comma for your CSV? (don't laugh!) Really, most
spreadsheets allow you to use any symbol as a separator and you specify
it upon insert. If your end user does not require a comma, maybe you
could use a less common symbol inside of your text strings. (i.e. make
it a {SV
Robin,
Will that be a problem with numeric fields if the data file includes
comma based numbers?
Example: 43,832.76
Should you have everything quoted?
Robin, Greenhagen, 43,832.76, Lenexa, KS
Ryan
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Adaryl,
I won't claim to have much experience with XML. We have used it only in
passing and with SOAP and only recently.
Imagine you have a set of weather forecasts for the US. Say, something
like www.wunderground.com
You would not create a website that included a separate page for every
I'm not positive, but I don't think you can access it programmatically.
You can however access the CGI variables that can be output with the
debugging options.
FYI, the list of files/templates that were run is in alphabetical order
NOT in the order in which they ran. This can NOT be changed. I
For those of you who weren't feeling down with the economy or their job
situations...here is something to make it a bit worse:
Shares of Macromedia tumbled 30 percent Thursday after analysts cut
their outlooks on the maker of Web-designing software.
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I was
rewriting the standard 404 type errors MS IIS issues a few months back and
wondered about the 502 error also. I assume it is for bad gateway/proxy
systems. When you setup your network tcp/ip configuration, you specify a
gateway to the internet. This functions as the
Nicole,
Last month we had Matthew Jones speak to us at the KC CF user group
meeting (see, you should join us!!!) about Fusebox 3. Originally we
intended to have it be a brief overview, but we asked a lot of questions
and our conversation lasted over an hour. Matthew may be willing to
hold a
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I
sarcastically responded to Keith about Gandolf's spell powers using CF versus
ASP.Net.
But as
long as we are placing our reservations. I'm up for a movie on
Saturday.
Anyone?
Ryan
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CF 5 supports a new tag called CFFlush. When the server sees this
tag, it flushes the buffer to the browser and continues to process. You
should be able to force it to show the gif image and then when the rest
of the template completes I believe it automatically dumps to the
browser (no
I am not sure if Oracle directly supports am/pm, but try using the built
in database 'timestamp' creation command. In MS SQL it is getdate().
The equivalent should store it in the database's native format.
Ryan
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Check out www.irt.org, they have a 'faq' section with hundreds of code
samples for javascript.
You could use the 'onload' event and have the pause built into a
function
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You might be able to use double quotes in your input statement.
Try value=#value#
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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:47 PM
To: KCFusion (E-mail)
Subject: [KCFusion] Text box value
Is there a
I have seen some sites that show you a list of files that you can
download. Each link has something unique appended to it to
differentiate the actual file. When you click on the link, instead of
actually letting you download, it passes you off to a 2nd page. It's
the second page that has the
Yes, very! Don't suppose you can come and show us a demo?
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I have confirmed with Ron (who won't be able to join us tonight) that a
room is reserved for us and a projector should be available.
Thanks Ron!
Ryan
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:32
I know of at least 2 locals who run websites selling CF modules and
packages:
Oleani, and their addin software at www.bigosoftware.com
And Bryan Laplante at www.netwebapps.com
Both have a number of products on sale on their website that they have
made.
Ryan
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We are using Session variables, but not Client variables. Currently our
application uses client side (browser) cookies to store the CFID
CFToken variables in order to keep state.
If we use the AddToken=yes flag on cflocation, is that forcing the
variables to be added to the URL for client or
Kory,
I haven't heard any real hints yet on a release date of NEO (now
officially named ColdFusion MX). I suspect it will be sometime this
summer. It went into beta 3 late last month.
Keep watching for announcements, it should be a good product.
Ryan
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Adaryl,
You
are in luck! I normally wouldn't have this around, but I started a 2nd job
(short term contract) and they gave me a journal that had come in the
mail. Here is the cover article. I'll try and scan it in for
you.
Integrating with Quickbooks by Jason Coom
so if you want copies, email me
offline.
Ryan
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Adaryl WakefieldSent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:23
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Our accounting
For cheap and easy, using the ISO extensions will probably work
reasonably well (most of the time).
You could combine it with some web browser hints, like what language is
supported by the browser. This is sent to the server in the header
string.
If you really need quality, there are online
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Not
that I have ever read about, sorry.
It
might be a fun programming challenge to create a module that would take 3
variables in, one to indicate if its Roman-to-Arabic or Arabic-to-Roman and then
a variable for each type.
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Rick,
Actually, I take that back, there are 4 tags in the Macromedia exchange
area for use with CF.
http://devex.macromedia.com/developer/gallery/SearchResults.cfm?keywords=roman
Ryan
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requested. Please email me with your contact information and
number of attendees.
Thanks,
Ryan Hartwich, KCFusion CFUG Manager
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http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/proom/pr/2002/coldfusion_mx_announc
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MACROMEDIA INTRODUCES COLDFUSION MX
New version runs on Java platform and Microsoft .NET Framework,
optimized for XML, web services, and rich Internet applications
San Francisco - April 29, 2002 - Macromedia,
Here is a contract job available locally.
Ryan
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Full Time Permanent - Immediately Available
Skills: Programming ColdFusion 5 (upgrading to MX is expected soon) on
Windows 2000 platform with Informix database on Sun. Primary duties
include creating
KCFusion,
Looks like my listserv subscription died when I changed jobs last
monthappears as if my posting letting everyone know we wouldn't be
having a meeting in June also went the way of the bit bucket. SORRY!
Either way, I'm working on setting up the July meeting and will let
everyone
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Macromedia has done a great job of putting their
developer information together for us. Here are links to quite a few
topics you may find helpful.
Ryan
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Main
Designer
Developer
Center
page:
http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/
Macromedia
ColdFusion MX
St, KCMO 64112-2715, just southeast of the Plaza. Parking is
free across the street.
If you have any questions, please email me.
Ryan Hartwich
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KCFusion,
Our user group meeting last night was a success! Thanks again to Rick
Rachel Nielsen of Mach 10 Design (www.mach10design.com) for
presenting.
We had a small group of participants (some driving in from Topeka
Lawrence) eager to learn and discuss their coding techniques. This
There is a new 'MX' specific magazine starting up. Their premier demo
issue is available online to those who register.
Their website and 32 page issue is available at www.mxinsite.com.
Ryan
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Is anyone interested in sharing a room in Orlando for this? I am
considering going. Plane tickets to Orlando are running about $200,
figure the room is probably about $150 per night. Sharing would be a
great way to save a few hundred.
Ryan
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I have
been using a program called PDF-Lib, but I think it costs $500+. Its
pretty easy however and they have a free demo you can download (works fine, but
adds really annoying watermark to your pages until you buy it). www.pdf-lib.com
Here
are a few resource sites:
There is an article in this month's CF Developers Journal about using a
custom tag called 'querysim' to mimic database calls. The article
discusses a number of different uses for it, including using it to parse
through a web server log file (space delimited usually) as if it were a
database
Our next CF user group meeting will be Tuesday, August 13th, from 6:30
to 8:30pm in southern Overland Park.
We will be discussing the basics of Fusebox 3. Included in this
discussion/presentation will be:
Methodology behind Fusebox and the Fusebox Lifecycle Process (FLiP)
Pros/cons of using
Doug,
I believe the 'preservesinglequotes' function in CF is intended to
handle quoting problems like this.
Ryan
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The
August meeting went pretty well. We had 9 or 10participants there,
including a new developer just learning html and a few expert level
users. We covered the very basics of Fusebox 3 and the concepts
behind the design methodology. Unfortunately, I forgot to show the
Keith,
To test if her browser is getting and saving cookies, surf to
www.cnn.com and www.msnbc.com, both attempt to drop a cookie and if no
cookie is present a small popup window will come up asking for your area
code or some such message. It's a pretty good way to see if cookies are
getting
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I have
seen the box before, the other characters are probably caused by non English
keyboards. Sometimes there are encoding problems with
email.
Either
way, I doubt there is much you can do about it. CFMX supports Unicode, but
I doubt this will help you if your local PC
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Adaryl,
Somewhere I interviewed or spoke with someone about this topic. It
was my understanding that the individual coders being employed were generally
not allowed to do any form of insert/update/delete into the database through
their code. They were however permitted to
James,
When you say this is a form and that you want to 'choose' from the list,
or add a new record, what do you mean? If I understand you correctly,
you want to be able to display what is currently in the record (in the
table) and allow them to update the fields, OR they can click on a link
You probably want to perform an IsDefined check, for instance
cfif IsDefined(var)your statement/cfif
IF you have a form submission with check boxes, boxes that are not
checked are not submitted and hence are effectively null and you can't
perform a value check on them because they don't exist.
Glad someone asked! I have two ideas and was hoping to have the meeting
next week, but at this rate I doubt it will happen.
1) Demonstration on installing/configuring the ActiveEdit (or similar)
custom tags that make HTML/WYSIWYG editors available in a web browser.
Then how to insert them into
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Adaryl,
I have
no idea from a 'book' sense. And I would say that you COULD say that the
masterID and userName are both unique, but heck, you could also SAY that the
fName and/or the LName uniquely identify the record. You could just as
easily say the password is unique if
The KCFusion MM User Group/Tools meeting that was scheduled for this
evening has been CANCELLED by Macromedia.
MM has called to inform us that the technical speaker(s?) that was
scheduled to speak has missed their flight to KC and will be unable to
present to us this evening. We are trying
After seven years of public speaking (Toastmasters) and numerous other
positions requiring an extrovert, I think I fall outside of the 'nerd'
stereotype...
...ok, maybe not 100% outside of the stereotype :-)
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Subject: Measuring interest in attending a meeting
Our original intention of having a meeting this past Monday with an MM
speaker fell through due to travel difficulties. We are working to set
up an alternate meeting this week. Due to MM scheduling problems, the
This post is to confirm the 6:00 PM Studio MX presentation that will be
given by a representative of Macromedia. The event will take place on
Thursday, September 26th at the Sprint University of Excellence. Prizes
will be given away including a certificate for a free copy of Macromedia
Studio MX.
I am considering using a Flash (MX) front end and Flash Remoting as the
client for a CF application. I will need a user to enter a
username/password combination in a flash window and login to the server.
I have been unable to find out how Flash and Remoting handle sessions
between the flash
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Unfortunately, I am unable to prevent ads from being
placed on this list at this time. We are still receiving free hosting and
listserv support from Ron and he is too busy to moderate this list (I wouldn't
ask him to anyway, we should self police if necessary). I am working on
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By the way, I would like to thank Ron from
Humankind Systems for his long term support of the user group. Ron (with
Brian Robin) lead the group for a few years and Ron has been very kind in
his free hosting of our domain/website and the
listserv.
Thanks!
Contract CF Position, please contact recruiter below:
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Contract opening in KC:
Required skills: Cold Fusion Studio 5, CF Script, SQL for Microsoft SQL
Server, and HTML
Desirable Skills: Dreamweaver Ultradev 4, JSP, ASP, Java Script, and VB
Script
Project Description: Finalizing three
I am hoping to move our list website to a new box that supports MS SL
CFMX. Someone has volunteered, but we have not had the expertise and
time to configure a listserv program. L-Soft Lyris both offer free
versions for small list management and we are hoping to use one of the
two if we can
FYI
I'm working on some presentation materials for a possible meeting next
week on CFC's (a new way of writing functions in CFMX). Hopefully we
can arrange a meeting for early next week at either the UMKC location or
southern Overland Park.
I am also working with the MM Tools group in town to
Here is a local CF position. Feel free to contact the recruiter:
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The basic skillset I am searching for is Cold Fusion, Informix database
and either C language or COBOL. They are putting some legacy based
insurance application/systems onto the web via Cold Fusion.
Meeting Announcement:
What: Basic introduction to the use of CFC's (components) in CFMX
PowerPoint presentation showing examples of the
differences between CF5 UDFs and CFMX's CFCs
Basic coding methods of writing a CFC.
Benefits of
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Macromedia knows of this problem. Apparently, the APIs for the new
version of Apache keep changing and they are forced to recompile and distribute
the changes in order to keep MX working. I heard late last week that they
were going to post some form of source file that users
KC ColdFusion Users:
Our next meeting will be at 6pm on December 10th at the Sprint School of
Excellence off of I435 Roe in Overland Park. Our hosts for the
evening will be the KC Macromedia Tools Group
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KCMUG/).
The meeting will be an introduction and brief
Also, look into a few of the other DBCC commands that force the database
to check itself and reset the statistics. I think DBCC Statistics or
something like that will regenerate the statistics for each table.
Since your production tables may have a completely different ratio of
Rick,
I have occasionally had problems when using nested 'include' files,
particularly if you are using frames on the website. I believe that
Include files treat images as if they are being pulled from the level of
the include file versus the parent file (though it may be the other way
around).
If somehow your menu system starts calling itself and generating the menu
inside of other calls, then the include files will start stacking up. I
think I have only experienced this with frames however. If that is the
case, it probably isn't a function of time and the machine acting up, but
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