[CF-metadata] CF-Metadata site is down

2014-02-12 Thread stephen.pascoe
Hi, The domain cf-pcmdi9.llnl.gov has been unreachable since at least yesterday. We are currently relying on this site for access to the official CF specification. Can anyone report on when this site will be back and where we can get a copy of the latest CF document in the mean time.

Re: [CF-metadata] CF-Metadata site is down

2014-02-12 Thread stephen.pascoe
Hi, Please ignore my last email. I have an incorrect URL in my browser cache and have now found the correct URL of cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov. Cheers, Stephen. --- Stephen Pascoe +44 (0)1235 445980 Centre of Environmental Data Archival STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Harwell Oxford, Didcot OX11

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name requests

2014-02-12 Thread Bedka, Kristopher M. (LARC-E302)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS AND APPLICATIONS, INC]
Valerie: Your suggestions look good to me Kris = Kristopher Bedka Senior Research Scientist Science Systems Applications, Inc. @ NASA Langley Research Center Climate Science Branch 1 Enterprise Parkway, Suite 200 Hampton, VA 23666 Primary

Re: [CF-metadata] Vertical datums (again)

2014-02-12 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Jim I think the same as Karl. The reason is that I regard height above geoid and height above reference ellipsoid as different geophysical quantities, as are height above bedrock (the example I gave in an earlier email, to Rich) and height (in the sense of the CF standard_name table i.e.

[CF-metadata] new standard name requests

2014-02-12 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Kris We thought the cloud radiative center terminology was more descriptive, but not as widely used as effective. I agree with that. Cloud radiative center is fine. Since I don't know this subject, my question was just to make sure that it is a term that is in common use (even if not very

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name requests

2014-02-12 Thread Bedka, Kristopher M. (LARC-E302)[SCIENCE SYSTEMS AND APPLICATIONS, INC]
height_at is fine by me which matches a greater number of the examples you provide. Since I haven't heard any major disagreements with my proposal, what's the next step for getting these names approved by The Grand Council of Naming? =

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name requests

2014-02-12 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Kris The procedure is that discussion continues until there is no disagreement. Subsequently Alison Pamment, the manager of standard names, will incorporate the new ones in a revised version of the standard name table. Cheers Jonathan - Forwarded message from Bedka, Kristopher M.

Re: [CF-metadata] Vertical datums (again)

2014-02-12 Thread Ethan Davis
Hi all, I agree with Jim on this. The grid_mapping, rather than the standard name, is the appropriate place for this information. Just as it is for latitude and longitude (and X and Y). We don't have latitude-wgs84 or latitude-airy-1830. Ethan On 2/11/2014 11:51 AM, Jim Biard wrote: Karl,

Re: [CF-metadata] Vertical datums (again)

2014-02-12 Thread Ethan Davis
Both geoids and reference ellipsoids are vertical datums used as the reference from which measurements can be made. I'm not sure I see how that makes those measurements different geophysical quantities. I can see how lat/lon and X/Y are different. Similarly, height and pressure levels are

[CF-metadata] Vertical datums (again)

2014-02-12 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Ethan, Balaji et al. No-one is suggesting having different standard names for different geoids or different reference ellipsoids, as far as I know. We agree that the identity of the geoid etc. belongs in the grid mapping. The distinction of standard names is for different geophysical

Re: [CF-metadata] Vertical datums (again)

2014-02-12 Thread V Balaji - NOAA Affiliate
Ok, fair enough. I understand it's blurry, and I suppose all I'm arguing for is some general vigilance against proliferation of names. You understand as well as anyone the need to be very very precise in defining sea level rise, and I'll defer to your judgment on this matter. (BTW when are we

Re: [CF-metadata] Vertical datums (again)

2014-02-12 Thread V Balaji - NOAA Affiliate
It's obvious even to this non-expert that different reference surfaces yield different heights, but I fail to see how they are different sorts of height. Though I'm happy to stand corrected on that. But for another reason I would like to take a contrary position here: I don't believe the

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name requests

2014-02-12 Thread Charlie Zender
Hi Kris, Try to pick a name that matches what the algorithm retrieves. What you have described seems much closer to an effective cloud top height for 11 um photons. So first I would replace the word center with something like top. As you note, satellites traditionally use IR techniques to

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name requests

2014-02-12 Thread John Graybeal
On Feb 12, 2014, at 21:31, Charlie Zender zen...@uci.edu wrote: I think that the name should encode the method if the result is sensitive to the method. Here there be dragons. Can it be said that this is not a different measurement of the same thing, but a measurement of a different