I disagree with this in this market.
Railo could go open-source, but it wouldn't make much difference
apart from perception.
This community (I am sorry if I offend anybody) doesn't have the
number of people that can program in Java yet. I have had a few
people offer to help with CFEclipse
Mark, you are absolutely right. That was my point. The only thing that's
different when going open source is the fact that it is open source. And
of course intersted competitors could go and peek in our code.
A lot of projects who went open source were no longer payed attention
to. And we
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From: Gert Franz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 22:52:30 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Flash Remoting
is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF Filter is
included. Railo 1.1
Event gateways:
we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave arguments
, February 08, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
But I don't see any reason why competing engines can't further growth in
the
official engine. A perfect case is Macromedia and Adobe's competition in
the WYSIWYG editor (Dreamweaver vs Go-Live) or even better in the image
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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Indeed, and you always will as in all reality it will be Adobe who define
the CFML language (albeit not official) and any competing engine will
always be behind that set
On Thursday 08 Feb 2007, Andy Matthews wrote:
Adobe and Macromedia ALWAYS leapfrogged each other in features until of
course Adobe bought MM. There's no reason why Adobe can't implement
features from other engines.
cough
cfthread
cfinterface
...
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping to confidentially
At least CFC instances can't be replicated by underlying J2EE platform since
they can't implement serializable interface.
there. (If you need session replication at least). Also, from what I've
been told, session replication doesn't work reliably with CF, although I
have not experienced
less expensive you might have a case, but it's
marginally less expensive with less features.
Regards
Dale Fraser
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From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 6:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Hi all
2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Hi Neil,
i can easily post why this is:
Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does not support
the following.
1: cfset a = structNew()
2: cfset a[sub.subkey] = John
3: cfset b = a.sub.subkey --- this throwhs an error
Sent: Wed Feb 07 08:06:43 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Just a tiny hint is this...
http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2006/11/27/Comparing-Component-spee
d-on-different-CFML-engines
Greetings / Grüsse
Gert Franz
Customer Care
Railo Technologies GmbH
[EMAIL PROTECTED
Hi Dale,
here my comments to your concerns:
1. security
Railo does not claim to be absolutely secure in terms of weaknesses or
security holes. Nor do we claim to be more secure than other engines in
this terms. But just give me your thoughts about these matters:
How do you prevent users from
Yes Neil, you are absolutely right. That's what I wrote myself in the
comments. Tests have to be done by independent companies and in addition
they have to test a lot of stuff, not only on single issue. And I can
not publish such a test as well since an independent company is objective.
I
: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Yes Neil, you are absolutely right. That's what I wrote myself in the
comments. Tests have to be done by independent companies and in addition
they have to test a lot of stuff, not only on single issue. And I can
not publish such a test as well since
unheard of, I have no such issues
convincing businesses to spend 10k on Adobe products however.
Regards
Dale Fraser
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From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 7:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Hi Dale
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From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 7:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Hi Dale,
here my comments to your concerns:
1. security
Railo does not claim to be absolutely secure in terms of weaknesses or
security holes
Exhibitions.
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From: Gert Franz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 08:58:45 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Yes Neil, you are absolutely right. That's what I wrote myself in the
comments. Tests have
expressed within this
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From: Gert Franz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 09:18:35 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
I hope somewhen you
Gert Franz said:
I read all the posts from you guys saying that there should be no
reason to host Railo since it is only compatible to version MX 6.1.
And you know you are absolutely right, if you do not care for:
- security
I don't care about security as long as my part in the whole
On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Neil,
i can easily post why this is:
Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does not support
the following.
1: cfset a = structNew()
2: cfset a[sub.subkey] = John
3: cfset b = a.sub.subkey --- this throwhs an error
(For
For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
interesting...
~|
Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7
Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs
That indeed was and is true. But since changes could be easily be made,
I don't agree to change the behaviour of Railo in order to support this
syntax and loose performance in exchange.
Gert
Rick Root schrieb:
On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Neil,
i can easily post
why? what's the difference between open source and free?
Rick Root schrieb:
For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
interesting...
~|
Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7
Experience Flex 2 MX7
Rick Root wrote:
For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
interesting...
The combination of a open source shared hosting optimized CF runtime
is where I see some possibilities. Perhaps if one of the big hosting
companies (HMS or GoDaddy seem like likely
Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out loud?
On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why? what's the difference between open source and free?
Rick Root schrieb:
For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
interesting...
and that it takes
longer for community acceptance.
Doug B.
- Original Message -
From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
why? what's the difference between open source
lol ;)
Doug B.
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From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out
loud
Hah! h4x0r! ;o)
Rey...
James Holmes wrote:
Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out loud?
On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
why? what's the difference between open source and free?
Rick Root schrieb:
For what it's worth, if Railo went open
Doug Brown said:
A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community
helping to develop the project,
Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people
have said they would actually help?
Jochem
Doug Brown wrote:
MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client base
while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software also
develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and closed source simply
means that we have to wait for you to implemnt
@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Doug Brown said:
A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community
helping to develop the project,
Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people
have
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From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Doug Brown said:
A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community
helping to develop the project,
Really? Look
Most CF people don't have a CS background
Where did you get this info from?
-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
How many people on this list are actually
: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Doug Brown wrote:
MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client
base
while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software
also
develop their software and reduce
-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
why? what's the difference between open source and free?
Rick Root schrieb:
For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
interesting
up a poll somewhere and test out this hypothesis?
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Most CF people don't have a CS background
Where did
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From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Don't get me wrong, I do not have anything against open source. BUT we
are yet to small and I don't think that the community will dig
Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php
has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF just
as popular?
A. Better performing code
B. Cheaper development
C. Cheaper hosting
D. Other (Explain)
Doug
price for their product.
Doug B.
- Original Message -
From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Don't get me wrong, I do not have anything against open
still
have a enterprise edition that you charge for albeit at a lower price.
Doug B.
- Original Message -
From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
That's my
, 2007 10:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Just in general working and talking with CF people and at conferences. It
seems to me that because CF is so easy to learn, a lot of the people using it
are coming from non CS backgrounds. Now it might be just people I'm
]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php
has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF
just
as popular?
A. Better performing
, February 07, 2007 8:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
why? what's the difference between open source and free?
Rick Root schrieb:
For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be
interesting
, February 07, 2007 10:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that
asp/php
has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF
just
as popular?
A. Better performing code
B. Cheaper
a serious jump start.
-Original Message-
From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Don't get me wrong, I do not have anything against open source. BUT we are
yet to small and I don't think
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php
has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF just
as popular
Andy Matthews said:
Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to
modify. It also means that when someone modifies your source code,
they have to give it back to the community (you) for others to use.
No it doesn't. Even the most viral licenses for software only require
I also think that while there's a decent amount of KICKING CF projects,
there needs to be WAY more, and they need to be way better publicized. Look
at the stuff that 37 Signals is doing. They're totally piggybacking on the
popularity of Rails and offering up this fantastic software that just
Okay...thanks for correcting me Jochem. I didn't realize the difference.
-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Andy Matthews said:
Open source means
On 2/7/07, Eric Haskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more
complicated and therefore will have more bugs.
That's a fairly ridiculous assertion -- first of all that one specific
language is more complicated than another and second that complexity =
bugs.
them.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php
has the stronghold on web
-Original Message-
From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
On 2/7/07, Eric Haskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more
On 2/7/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to modify.
It also means that when someone modifies your source code, they have to
give
it back to the community (you) for others to use.
Depends on the license. I use the BSD
-Original Message-
From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Russ wrote:
I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a
contender
I don't think anyone is saying that PHP is more or less prone to bugs
because it's open. PHP (the language) has its own bugs/CF has it's own, but
I wasn't talking about the bugs in the language itself. I was talking about
bugs in the code. CF is so simple, that a lot of non-technical people
I was talking about bugs in code too -- SQL injection, XSS,
bad logic, etc. And I'd argue personally and professionally
using dozens of sites I've been hired to work on as a basis,
that since CF *is* so simple, it's more likely that there are
deadly bugs in the code -- even now, years
On 2/7/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Escaping quotes does make SQL injection a little harder, but far from
impossible.
cfparam name=url.id default=0; delete from myTable;
cfquery ...
select * from myTable where id=#url.id#
/cfquery
If I'm not mistaken - that would only work in
cfparam name=url.id default=0; delete from myTable;
cfquery ... select * from myTable where id=#url.id# /cfquery
If I'm not mistaken - that would only work in SQL Server, right?
cuz only SQL server lets you pass through multiple queries
all at once.
Well, it's a bit more complicated
Yikes, wasn't expecting this big a response! (If only it was full of people
saying YES!)
Matt Quackenbush wrote:
At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]!, why would
anyone want to go
backwards and use Railo? I mean, it's still not even compatible with CF
MX. I'm sure
Will you be waiting for version 1.1?
I believe that will be very close to Adobe CF 7
I'll be going with the latest stable release. Whether that starts of being 1.1
depends on how soon that is released and how long it takes to get myself sorted.
If I'm ready before 1.1 then I'll start with 1.0
You can read the full thing here: http://blog.bpsite.net/index.
php/Why%20Railo.html?itemid=24
Ooops, URL got chopped. Should be everything inside the brackets...
[ http://blog.bpsite.net/index.php/Why%20Railo.html?itemid=24 ]
There are plenty of reasons to use Railo, but before I get
into that, can you give an example of an important CFMX
feature that Railo lacks?
Flash Remoting?
Event Gateway?
Recordsets from stored procedures?
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software
Flash Remoting?
Not sure I consider that an /important/ feature myself.
Eitherway, I think its fair to say that CFMX is always going to be best option
for anyone doing Flash/Flex integration stuff.
Event Gateway?
Ok, but one could argue that this is also absent from CFMX standard.
Recordsets
Flash Remoting
is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF
Filter is included. Railo 1.1
Event gateways:
we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave arguments for
others :-)
Recordsets from stored procedures:
In 1.0 it is possible to call stored procedures in
Sorry Railo 1.1 will support calls to .cfc's as well...
Gert Franz schrieb:
Flash Remoting
is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF
Filter is included. Railo 1.1
Event gateways:
we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave arguments for
others :-)
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 22:52:30 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Flash Remoting
is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF
Filter is included. Railo 1.1
Event gateways:
we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave arguments for
others
In 1.0 it is possible to call stored procedures in cfquery. Railo 1.1
will support cfstoredproc*
I thought that was the case, but I did a quick test with MySQL 5 and it didn't
appear to work.
The procedure was just a sample one I found:
CREATE PROCEDURE molo() SELECT 'Molo';
And when trying
For stored procedure Railo has
cfstoredproc*
Just like Adobe CFMX
from online help
!--- This view-only example executes a Sybase stored procedure that
returns three result sets, two of which we want. The stored
procedure returns the status code and one output parameter,
which we display. We
Hello.
In a month or two I'll be getting a dedicated server, and I've had a
thought: maybe I should go for the next server spec up, get Railo
Enterprise, and offer Railo hosting.
(for those unaware of what Railo is, it's a really excellent CFML engine,
better than all other CFML engines in
At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]!, why would anyone
want to go
backwards and use Railo? I mean, it's still not even compatible with CF
MX. I'm sure I speak for an extremely high percentage of CFers out there
when I say, Thank God we're not in the pre-MX days anymore!
: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 1:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]!, why would anyone
want to go
backwards and use Railo? I mean, it's still not even compatible with CF
MX. I'm sure I speak for an extremely high
No comment...
Doug B.
- Original Message -
From: Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
I agree, unless your giving it away, I wouldn't pay for hosting
Will you be waiting for version 1.1?
I believe that will be very close to Adobe CF 7
On 2/7/07, Peter Boughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello.
In a month or two I'll be getting a dedicated server, and I've had a
thought: maybe I should go for the next server spec up, get Railo
Enterprise,
On 2/6/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree, unless your giving it away, I wouldn't pay for hosting on
anything
other than the official product, I only stand to loose stuff and gain
nothing.
I recommend Bluedragon hosting for some of my clients who get VPS accounts
at VivioTech,
Hi all together,
I read all the posts from you guys saying that there should be no reason
to host Railo since it is only compatible to version MX 6.1. And you
know you are absolutely right, if you do not care for:
- security
- performance
- price
Why do people still start new hosting on
are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions.
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Quackenbush
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 02:00:07 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED
this
communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions.
Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: Rick Root
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 04:03:21 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
On 2/6/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
within this
communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions.
Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: Rick Root
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 04:03:21 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
On 2/6/07, Dale Fraser
by Reed Exhibitions.
Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com
-Original Message-
From: Gert Franz
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Feb 07 07:42:18 2007
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?
Hi Neil,
i can easily post why this is:
Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below
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