r secure FTP.
>
> We only have a few users that need FTP, but FileZilla Server only
> supports FTP over SSL, and from what I can tell, Dreamweaver only
> supports FTP over SSH ("SFTP").
>
> I'm looking for a cheap, simple, secure FTP server that supports FTP
> ove
Gene6 ftp server, it is prob the best ftp server currently available, and
has over taken serv-u ftp.
snake
-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 May 2006 21:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Secure FTP Server on Windows?
We've been using Filezilla Serve
; now have a need for secure FTP.
>
> We only have a few users that need FTP, but FileZilla Server only
> supports FTP over SSL, and from what I can tell, Dreamweaver only
> supports FTP over SSH ("SFTP").
>
> I'm looking for a cheap, simple, secure FTP server t
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 4:11 PM
>
> I'm looking for a cheap, simple, secure FTP server that supports FTP
> over SSH. I'd PREFER that the user account database NOT be linked to
> the Win
looking for a cheap, simple, secure FTP server that supports FTP
over SSH. I'd PREFER that the user account database NOT be linked to
the Windows account database.
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From: Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FTP server
I use WS_FTP server for one of my clients...the main rea
I use WS_FTP server for one of my clients...the main reason was that
you can point it at any datasource to use as the user database, which
makes it easy to integrate in to another application's security
(assuming you don't have encrypted passwords). Does Filezilla do
anything similar?
~~~
Gene6ftp, the best one I have used.
Russ
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From: Mike Klostermeyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 February 2006 22:39
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: FTP server
Can anyone recommend an FTP server for Windows 2003? The easier to manage
users/permissions the better (which
Ditto on FileZilla
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-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FTP server
Russ wrote:
> We're using FileZilla server. Still
Russ wrote:
> We're using FileZilla server. Still in (and probably always will be) beta,
> but we haven't had any issues yet, free, supports secure ftp.
We're also using Filezilla Server on our windows server at work.
Although I do think they'll eventually drop the "beta" =)
rick
Search download.com for WARftp
We use it and it is really solid, pretty easy to use and very stable.
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> Subject: OT: FTP server
>
> Can anyone recommend an FTP server for Windows 2003? The easier to manage
> users/permissions the better (which is why we are trying to stay away from
> IIS). Ideally it should be able to run as a service, and also be able to
> listen to two
Can anyone recommend an FTP server for Windows 2003? The easier to manage
users/permissions the better (which is why we are trying to stay away from
IIS). Ideally it should be able to run as a service, and also be able to
listen to two ports, either within the same service or separate services
ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FTP Server
I take a couple of days off and come back to find a jihad is winding
down...
As a
I take a couple of days off and come back to find a jihad is winding down...
As a side note, I installed a copy of Serv-U on my first dedicated box
and, within 24 hours, I was hacked, with little folders everywhere
holding a text file saying I was owned by Lord So-and-So. Once I
pulled my head ou
Serv-u is only targeted when an exploit is discovered, just like any other
product.
They probably tend to come to light more often with serv-u because it is the
hackers FTP server of choice.
I think people tend to confuse the fact that serv-u gets hacked, because
when servers get hacked and turned
Charlie,
>Now, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a network guy/system
>administrator. Could I have set it up in an insecure manner? Sure.
>It's possible. But I've also used bulletproof, IIS's FTP (bleh), and
>filezilla...all with no issues (that I'm aware of, at least) :)
>
>So in my mind
On 10/10/05, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's a fundamental difference between "targeted by hackers" and "used by
> hackers". The former is bad, the latter not so much. If someone compromises
> your machine and chooses to install an FTP ser
--
As for whether Serv-U allowed your machine to be hacked, are you sure that
was where the vulnerability was? Just because someone was using your FTP
server after your server was compromised, doesn't mean that it was
compromised through the FTP server.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
tal difference between "targeted by hackers" and "used by
hackers". The former is bad, the latter not so much. If someone compromises
your machine and chooses to install an FTP server, his choice will be driven
by many of the same factors as my own in choosing what FTP server t
One idea... freeSSHd (http://www.freesshd.com/) to give yourself an SSH
login system, then use Active Directory to manage permissions. CoreFTP
(http://www.coreftp.com/) is an FTP client with a free version that
works via SSH, I'm in the process of setting it up for some peeps here
and I'm pretty h
On 10/10/05, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Really surprised to even be asked the question of why using a tool
> > that's popular with the hacker crowd is a bad thing.
>
> I'm sorry, but that's absurd. There are lots of tools that are popular with
> the "hacker crowd" - these tools tend
> Really surprised to even be asked the question of why using a tool
> that's popular with the hacker crowd is a bad thing.
I'm sorry, but that's absurd. There are lots of tools that are popular with
the "hacker crowd" - these tools tend to be best-in-class, and are chosen
for that reason.
Dave W
install
it on your machine without you knowing it and use your bandwidth and
power for their FTP server. Virtually every program that is open to the
internet has been compromised at some point since its development. My
point is that just because hackers use Serv-U, doesn't say ANYTHING bad
ll a copy of Serv-U to use as a
> way to access the server.
>
> There's a difference between hackers using an application and exploiting the
> application. The reason Serv-U became so popular to use as a "backdoor" was
> because early versions of Serv-U only needed an INI
NI file (no installation,)
it left a very small memory footprint and was pretty easy to hide a process.
Not to mention, it was such a popular FTP server that it might often go
overlooked if found, because admins are used to seeing it installed on their
servers.
In my experience, I've found
's popular with
the hacker crowd. Not popular in that way that they use it, but popular
because it's plagued with security holes.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FTP Serv
On 10/10/05, Ken Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> None of that has anything necessarily to do with Serv-U itself. By your
> logic, there are thousands of quality apps you should steer clear of for
> no good reason. I went to work on a new client's server and found that
> there was an instance
doesn't change the facts about serv-u (i was just too lazy to google
for specifics, so I cited what I remembered) :)
but anyway...
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=30286&seqNum=5&rl=1
"the script will be using Servu-FTP, which is the most common FTP
server used
None of that has anything necessarily to do with Serv-U itself. By your
logic, there are thousands of quality apps you should steer clear of for
no good reason. I went to work on a new client's server and found that
there was an instance of qmail installed without their knowledge sending
out sp
some servers and even home pcs.
-mark
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FTP Server
the fact that it's popular with the hacker crowd?
How about because i was running serv-u and one day i
the fact that it's popular with the hacker crowd?
How about because i was running serv-u and one day i inexplicably had
FTP accounts open on drives A-Z with
read/write/execute/delete/procreate access to all (and oddly enough, i
didn't create any of those accounts).
How about one of the previous p
I'd be very interested in hearing why exactly you seem to think that
this is a negative for Serv-U???
--Ferg
Charlie Griefer wrote:
>serv-U's also popular with the hacker crowd :)
>
>i've been running the filezilla server for a while now with no
>problems. caveat...i'm running it on my home ma
Yeah. I use it all the time. Very nice.
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 October 2005 14:21
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT: FTP Server
I used to use this program...a LONG time ago. It was very simple to use.
-Original Message-
From
I used to use this program...a LONG time ago. It was very simple to use.
-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 5:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT: FTP Server
has anyone here used "bulletproof" ftp?
-Origin
Gene6 ftp is bulletproof, they renamed it.
-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 October 2005 23:20
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT: FTP Server
has anyone here used "bulletproof" ftp?
-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL
Gene6 ftp
So far it's the best of all the ones i have tried, and it's a good price
too.
I used to be a serv-u user, but it got to expensive, and there have been a
fair few security vulnerabilities for it too. The other annoying thing is
that it is the FTP server that most hackers use,
used "bulletproof" ftp?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:56 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: OT: FTP Server
>
>
> It's interesting that in the admin tool when adding us
has anyone here used "bulletproof" ftp?
-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT: FTP Server
It's interesting that in the admin tool when adding users, the password is
entered in plain tex
It's interesting that in the admin tool when adding users, the password is
entered in plain text... that's not very secure...
-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 5:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: FTP Server
Ser
Serv-U. Head and shoulders above anything else I've ever used. Get
the secure version and you can do ssl-only ftp, which is a nice
security bump. Same with the MD5 hashing of the password xmit, but I
think the basic product does that.
--
--mattRobertson--
Janitor, MSB Web Systems
mysecretbase.c
ree' didn't used to be a bad thing :)
>
> On 10/7/05, Seth Bienek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Serv-U is a popular FTP server that allows you to set up access based on
> > users and groups you can create and manage yourself:
> > http://www.serv-u.com/
>
Charlie Griefer wrote:
> serv-U's also popular with the hacker crowd :)
Heh. We found Serv-U running on one of the machines here and we didn't
install it ;)
> i've been running the filezilla server for a while now with no
> problems. caveat...i'm running it on my home machine and basically
> ju
Serv-U has worked perfectly for me.
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used to be a bad thing :)
On 10/7/05, Seth Bienek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Serv-U is a popular FTP server that allows you to set up access based on
> users and groups you can create and manage yourself:
> http://www.serv-u.com/
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Seth
>
&g
Lee wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:26:10 -0400
> Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>filezilla
>
>
> Filezilla looks like it's free which makes us a little
> leary about support etc. Is there anything else out there?
I second Filezilla.
Support: http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/
Serv-U is a popular FTP server that allows you to set up access based on
users and groups you can create and manage yourself:
http://www.serv-u.com/
Hope this helps,
Seth
> -Original Message-
>
> Can anyone recommend a third party FTP server that runs on
> Windows tha
We've been using Serv-U FTP server (comes free with crystaltech hosting)
with relative success... I've tried FileZilla in the past, but though it was
buggy, since my connection from homesite kept dropping. But the same thing
has been happening with Serv-U, so it's probably a
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:26:10 -0400
Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> filezilla
Filezilla looks like it's free which makes us a little
leary about support etc. Is there anything else out there?
Lee Surma
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On 10/7/05, Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a third party FTP server that runs on
> Windows that has a more granular security than IIS.
>
> Lee Surma
>
>
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Can anyone recommend a third party FTP server that runs on
Windows that has a more granular security than IIS.
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Never mind, I'm going with freeFTPd, a free SSH daemon :)
Thanks for the input. For what its worth, in my evaluations I also
thought G6FTPServer was better than Serv-U.
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#includ
> pretty quick. I moved to G6FTP last year and have ZERO regrets. It
> kicks some major a$$.
>
> G6FTP gives so much more control over user accounts, idiot proof
> virtual directories, great logging, .. I can't say enough good
> things about G6FTP.
>
> *uses Jedi
good
things about G6FTP.
*uses Jedi powers*
Serv-U is not the ftp server you are looking for.
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Gene 6 FTP Server vs Serv-U Secure?
I'm looking for a secure FTP server and was wondering if anyone had
experience with either Gene 6 FTP Server (Standard) or Serv-U Secure?
I've noticed that some things are easier in one over another, e.g. G6FTP
does virtual directories easily.
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I'm looking for a secure FTP server and was wondering if anyone had
experience with either Gene 6 FTP Server (Standard) or Serv-U Secure?
I've noticed that some things are easier in one over another, e.g. G6FTP
does virtual directories easily.
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andle multiple connections from one client very well, particularly from MACs. That was a couple of versions ago as we changed and never moved back.
We changed to the BulletProof FTP server which uses windows-style ini files for its configuration so is very easy to drive from CF as well.
http://b
t how iMS Stacks up to the competition: http://www.coolfusion.com/imssecomparison.cfm
- Original Message -
From: Jon Block
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:04 AM
Subject: OT: Best Windows FTP Server with Text Based Config File?
I've got a CF applicatio
I've got a CF application with tons of users. Each of the users is supposed
to have their own FTP account and their own directory on the server. The CF
application creates the users and the ftp home directories. Are there any
Windows based FTP servers that use a text based config file like Apache's
Hi,
Can you use cfContent to pull down data from a mapped drive? I think
I've done this successfully before but I'm wondering if the reason I'm
getting the error (below) has anything to do with the fact that the
mapped drive happens to be on an ftp server. Does it even matter?
War FTP has some vulnerabilities that have not been addressed. I would
avoid it.
At 02:22 PM 8/28/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>War FTP Daemon is free, but it's a pain to set up.
>
>Serv-U is a great product, but it's not free.
>G6 (Now Bulletproof) is also quite the popular server.
~~~
Many people report having issues with IIS's ftp server, but I have never
had any problems with it. Being completely scriptable and it uses the
Windows user database so you dont have to waste time setting up user
accounts in multiple places I believe it is one of the most powerful ftp
se
ubject: OT: Which FTP server for Win 2k
I did some looking at FTP servers for Win 2k but I have no idea what to look
for. I am also clueless on how to set it up and maintain it. Anyone have
some recommendations for a ftp server and know of a good place to find info
on setting one up?
Thanks agai
I did some looking at FTP servers for Win 2k but I have no idea what to look for. I am
also clueless on how to set it up and maintain it. Anyone have some recommendations
for a ftp server and know of a good place to find info on setting one up?
Thanks again,
Phillip
War Ftp Daemon is free... Not as easy as serv-u, but the price is good...
-Original Message-
From: Dylan Bromby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: FTP Server
i've used serv-u for 5 years. it's excellent. and
i've used serv-u for 5 years. it's excellent. and DIRT cheap.
-Original Message-
From: Duane Boudreau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: FTP Server
All,
Can anyone suggest a decent and moderatly priced (~ $250) FTP s
On 5/24/01, Duane Boudreau penned:
>Can anyone suggest a decent and moderatly priced (~ $250) FTP server that
>will run as a service unter Win2k?
Serv-U Professional is 249.95. Best in the business as far as I know.
http://www.serv-u.com/
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Dan and Paul,
That does the trick. Perfect solution for what I want to do (great price
too)
Thanks a bunch,
Duane
-Original Message-
From: Paul Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: FTP Server
The BEST FTP server is much
The BEST FTP server is much less than $250. Only $40! SERV-U ver 3 Now
runs as a service.
I just bought ver 3 the other day for a new server and it sure is
slick. I'll have to upgrade the older version I have on another server.
http://www.serv-u.com/frame.asp?dest=dn.htm
best, paul
Serv-U FTP http://www.cat-soft.com
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From: "Duane Boudreau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:16 PM
Subject: OT: FTP Server
> All,
>
> Can anyone suggest a decent and
All,
Can anyone suggest a decent and moderatly priced (~ $250) FTP server that
will run as a service unter Win2k?
TIA
Duane Boudreau,
Chief Techical Officer
CFExperts, LLC
Nashua, NH
603.620.8797
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On 10/2/00, Daive penned:
>Now one of my client want to check the status of other kind of address. =
>By example, an STMP server or FTP server. I don't really know which tags =
>or tools i need to work on .. Is there someone that can suggest the best =
>way t
if an error is occured, the user receive =
> an email.
>
> Now one of my client want to check the status of other kind of address. =
> By example, an STMP server or FTP server. I don't really know which tags =
> or tools i need to work on .. Is there someone that can suggest the
or slow etc. ) That was easy, i'm just using CFHTTP tag and =
> verifying cfhttp.values .. And if an error is occured, the user receive =
> an email.
>
> Now one of my client want to check the status of other kind of address. =
> By example, an STMP server or FTP server. I don&#x
By example, an STMP server or FTP server. I don't really know which tags =
or tools i need to work on .. Is there someone that can suggest the best =
way to do it?=20
Thanks!
Daive
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Sure. Just have a script that sits and chmod's all of your cfm/jsp/etc files
every minute or two. Getting Studio to send a site umask command would be a
momentous task indeed..
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My ISP requires that I set a site UMASK with my FTP sessions. In CF
Studio, is it possible to send a startup command to the ftp server? I need
to send "SITE UMASK XXX".
Failing that, is it possible to change permissions once the file is uploaded?
!j!
The mark of mediocrity is
My ISP requires that I set a site UMASK with my FTP sessions. In CF
Studio, is it possible to send a startup command to the ftp server? I need
to send "SITE UMASK XXX".
Failing that, is it possible to change permissions once the file is uploaded?
!j!
The mark of mediocrity is
Does anybody know of an FTP server that can authenticate off of an ODBC
datasource? Sorry, I know this isn't CF related, but I figured nobody knows
more about odbc than a group of CF'ers.
Adam.
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Subject: Re: OT: What FTP-Server ?
>I want to buy a new FTP-Server under NT 4.
>I am not satisfied with my WAR-FTP-Server.
No contest: serv-u, www.cat-soft.com , even for W2K. Inexpensive, with
daily support from Rob the developer in the serv-u list. Version 3 is in
the works. T
Thanks everybody, who answered my question on the FTP-Server.
I bought serv-u from Deerfield.
Reasonble price and fast support.
Fast support I missed with the WAR-FTP-guys. But what can you expect when
s.th. is free ?
But in that case I prefer to buy a SW for 40 USD and have a little support
At 07:27 PM 6/24/2000 +0200, you wrote:
> >I want to buy a new FTP-Server under NT 4.
> >I am not satisfied with my WAR-FTP-Server.
>
>No contest: serv-u, www.cat-soft.com , even for W2K. Inexpensive, with
>daily support from Rob the developer in the serv-u list. Versi
> I want to buy a new FTP-Server under NT 4.
> I am not satisfied with my WAR-FTP-Server.
>
> For which one would you go ?
>
> Ipswich-FTP-Server ?
We dumped WAR, and now use Serv-U
Either from Deerfield or CatSoft
Big improvement on the bugginess of WAR, but you have to use
>I want to buy a new FTP-Server under NT 4.
>I am not satisfied with my WAR-FTP-Server.
No contest: serv-u, www.cat-soft.com , even for W2K. Inexpensive, with
daily support from Rob the developer in the serv-u list. Version 3 is in
the works. The next would be ipswitch's ftp
oops...misread the post as FTP client instead of FTP server.
Sincerely,
Shane Witbeck
Webmaster
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.digitalsanctum.com
-Original Message-
From: Shane Witbeck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 1:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: What
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 12:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: What FTP-Server ?
I want to buy a new FTP-Server under NT 4.
I am not satisfied with my WAR-FTP-Server.
For which one would you go ?
Ipswich-FTP-Server ?
Uwe
SD Solutions
Uwe Degenhardt
Fon: 08122/903791
FTP-Serv-U from Rob Beckers.
www.ftpserv-u.com
Runs great on NT4.
John
www.cornells.com
-Original Message-
From: cftalk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 12:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: What FTP-Server ?
I want to buy a new FTP-Server under NT 4.
I
We are very pleased with SERV-U ftp server (using an addon for it to make it
run as a service). Site licensing is also very reasonable.
www.deerfield.com
Gregory
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I want to buy a new FTP-Server under NT 4.
I am not satisfied with my WAR-FTP-Server.
For which one would you go ?
Ipswich-FTP-Server ?
Uwe
SD Solutions
Uwe Degenhardt
Fon: 08122/903791
Fax: 08122/903792
Web: http://www.sdsolutions.de
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Hi, any WAR-FTP-Server GURUS out here ?
I have a problem with some of my WAR-FTP-Accounts. (Server 1.7)
Everything works fine, until I want to access the account with a
Web-Browser.
I cannot transfer a file on the server anymore. With a regular FTP-Program
everything works fine.
With neither
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