from: Neil Clark - =TMM= [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I see it this way, why pay over 3K for a machine which uses an OS I can
get for cheap or even free - thats the killer.!
Exactly - why Would Macromedia support Windows like this? I mean - to
support a brain damaged operating system, that is truly
On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 06:06 PM, Dave Watts wrote:
BBBTW WebObjects, the first App Server on the web, was
originally developed by Next
Be careful with this revisionist history! I'm not sure what it means to
be
an app server, and WebObjects has been around for a long, long time,
On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 12:04 AM, Dick Applebaum wrote:
Oops, the Tidbits reference is:
http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=06465
(I just get so excited)
Dick
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On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 01:39 PM, Vernon Viehe wrote:
That's the impression I have as well (note, I'm not saying anything
official, it' just the impression I'm under)
Since it runs on top of a J2EE server, it theoretically should work,
but it won't be supported by MM Tech Support.
On 4/29/02, Vernon Viehe penned:
Meanwhile, you can use a remote testing server (DWMX makes this
easy!), so Mac folks aren't blocked from CF development, they just
won't have it all in one box.
I've been developing in CF for 3 years now and can happily say I have
NEVER had to type a line of
On 4/29/02, Neil Clark - =TMM= penned:
I see it this way, why pay over 3K for a machine which uses an OS I can
get for cheap or even free - thats the killer.!
tongue firmly in cheek
Last I looked, my 15,000.00 Dell Server would have cost 799.00 less
had I gotten it with Linux as opposed to
A Mac has some significant advantages for web developers. For
example:
you can easily and inexpensively run multiple concurrent platforms (Win
9x, Win NT, Win 200, Win MX, Linux, OS X, etc) to test the look and feel
of an application in these environments... you can do this all on a
Supposedly Apple's implementation of Java is very well done too.
I'm hoping at least we'll see some CF Studio-like features (RDS) in the new
Dreamweaver...
John Venable
-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
I think as I stated earlier, is that Apple / OSX is not in the
mainstream for things like ISP's etc... So in business terms it would be
suicidal to create an OSX version of server software which you may sell
only a handful of units.
I must admit, I have never been a fan of Macs (and yes, I have
actually I beleive it will run on OSX, but it will not be officially supported...just
passing on
what I have heard from folks in the know ;-)
Bryan Stevenson
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
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On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 12:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then couldn't you run CFMX on one of those variants of Windows or Linux?
Yes, conceivably... they say it should work... but so far no luck...
But being able to run it is far different than having it as an
officially
: Monday, April 29, 2002 3:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX OS X [rant]
I think as I stated earlier, is that Apple / OSX is not in the
mainstream for things like ISP's etc... So in business terms it would be
suicidal to create an OSX version of server software which you may sell
only a handful
On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 12:39 PM, Venable, John wrote:
Supposedly Apple's implementation of Java is very well done too.
Those more expert than I, say it is one of the best Java IDEs
available...
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things work. Since CF is written in Java, I would think it would be
easy to port right now than any other time in Mac history.
OSX-Java-Apache-?CF?
-Original Message-
From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX OS X
!
Vernon Viehe
Community Manager
Macromedia, Inc.
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX OS X [rant]
actually I beleive it will run on OSX, but it will not be
officially supported...just
I mean commerical providers. And I wouldnt call Apple OS a true 'Nix,
not as yet :-)
Believe me I am not atagonising any Mac users here, I am simply stating
what I believe to be correct in my eyes, people can agree/disagree as
they see fit - thats what forums are about!
Neil
On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 12:46 PM, Neil Clark - =TMM= wrote:
I think as I stated earlier, is that Apple / OSX is not in the
mainstream for things like ISP's etc... So in business terms it would be
suicidal to create an OSX version of server software which you may sell
only a handful of
Thats good news Vern, but I am sure MM will be adamant that if you do
tweak it to run and its not supported etc.. then if it breaks and you
lose stuff - then its your own fault - thats not really a good position
to be in is it?
Neil
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From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX OS X [rant]
That's the impression I have as well (note, I'm not saying
anything official, it' just the impression I'm under)
Since it runs on top of a J2EE server
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX OS X [rant]
That's good news Vern, but I am sure MM will be adamant that if you do
tweak it to run and its not supported etc.. then if it breaks and you
lose stuff - then its your own fault - that's not really a
good position
to be in is it?
Neil
Shouldn't you be pissed at Java's (Sun's) marketing team? You can't really
hold Macromedia responsible for the term Write Once, Run Anywhere not
holding true to it's claim. If it worked like it was marketed to work, then
any J2EE application would work on THE Virtual Machine - not just vendor
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX OS X [rant]
On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 12:46 PM, Neil Clark - =TMM= wrote:
I think as I stated earlier, is that Apple / OSX is not in the
mainstream for things like ISP's etc... So in business
well, no, it's not, and I'm not recommending it. What I did say is that if someone
attempts it, I'd love to know how it goes.
Vern
-Original Message-
From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX OS X [rant
As I recall, we're not too far removed rom the days when CF was not
in
the mainstream for things like ISP's. etc
Touche :-)
Again, I hear you, I simply think its has been weighed up and the
thought is that the Millions of Mac users against the Multi-Million
Other Platform users had the others
. But it is still BSD Unix.
To paraphrase what someone else said today on this list, it is indeed Unix with an
extremely fancy window manager.
- Original Message -
From: Neil Clark - =TMM=
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 4:36 PM
Subject: RE: CFMX OS X [rant]
I
I didnt me anything bad by it, I mean that if you ask any *Nix man
about a Nix machine and they are v.v.v.unlikely (I would say 100%) to
say oh yeah - OSX ..
I meant it isnt regarded as so (as of yet); it is simply the new Apple
OS...
With a JellyBean interface of course ;-)
Neil
: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX OS X [rant]
I didn't me anything bad by it, I mean that if you ask any *Nix man
about a Nix machine and they are v.v.v.unlikely (I would say 100%) to
say oh yeah - OSX ..
I meant it isnt regarded as so (as of yet); it is simply
Okay its a case of agree to disagree I personally dont like
the Mac in any incarnation - it may be a fantastic Unix solution, but I
have yet to see any real-world examples of it being so (that are not
Apple.com based - that said, is the Apple site hosted on OSX?)
I see it this way, why
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX OS X [rant]
Okay it's a case of agree to disagree I personally don't like
the Mac in any incarnation - it may be a fantastic Unix solution, but
I
have yet to see any real-world examples of it being so (that are not
Apple.com based - that said
On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 03:59 PM, Neil Clark - =TMM= wrote:
Okay itís a case of agree to disagree I personally donít like
the Mac in any incarnation - it may be a fantastic Unix solution, but I
have yet to see any real-world examples of it being so (that are not
Apple.com
* the largest Unix vendor in the
world.
Dick
-Matt
-Original Message-
From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 2:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX OS X [rant]
I didn't me anything bad by it, I mean that if you ask any *Nix man
about
I am not as think as drunk I am.
-Matt
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From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 5:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX OS X [rant]
On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 03:41 PM, Matt Liotta wrote:
What are you talking about? OS
: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX OS X [rant]
On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 12:46 PM, Neil Clark - =TMM= wrote:
I think as I stated earlier, is that Apple / OSX is not in the
mainstream for things like ISP's etc... So in business
terms it would be
suicidal
BBBTW WebObjects, the first App Server on the web, was
originally developed by Next
Be careful with this revisionist history! I'm not sure what it means to be
an app server, and WebObjects has been around for a long, long time, but
there were CGI applications before then, I think.
Dave
On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 05:35 PM, Matt Liotta wrote:
I am not as think as drunk I am.
Gee! I thought it was only me!
Urp!
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I have to jump in on this one again. Though I have some experience with C
and C++ as well as CF I don't consider myself a programmer. I am more of a
designer.
I became aware of Cold Fusion through my college which has a pretty cool
Publications Design program which basically trains
Why pay for Coldfusion when you can get PHP for free?
That's the killer : ^ )
You are missing the point.
dave
On 4/29/02 6:59 PM, Neil Clark - =TMM= [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Okay its a case of agree to disagree I personally dont like
the Mac in any incarnation - it may be a
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