When I was in college one major thing that I learned was that syntax is
fluid. The logic of how to do an IF or a LOOP or a CASE or mathematical
formulas is what defines what a programmer is or is not. I personally
learned that stuff with Pascal and CoCo BASIC. The same rules of
programming logi
>Programming, in any language involves two key concepts: logic and syntax.
>Cold Fusion will teach you logic. But it does not teach you syntax. From
>that perspective, Cold Fusion tricks you into thinking you are a master
>programmer.
>I jump at the chance to program in ASP or JSP simply because
y concern.
There are many good reasons why or why not to choose a particular
middleware
platform.
EC
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From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: asp vs. cf
Thanks for all the input
Oh well, I think he is a couple of french fries short of a happy meal Bud :)
Doug
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From: "Bud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: asp vs. cf
> On 12/1/
On 12/1/01, Alex penned:
>Ouch. You'll be hurting sooner or later. Ignorance is NOT bliss when it
>comes to technology.
Cool. Later sounds good. :)
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Well I would be glad to, only if I knew how it would be judged. Obviously
not on the word of the participants.
Doug
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From: "Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:05 PM
Subje
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Bud wrote:
> That's me. ColdFusion application "Developer", "Programmer",
> "Operator", whatever you wish to call it. And I'm very happy as such.
> :) If I get a customer that requires something in ASP, I happily
> inform them that "I don't do ASP". I took up CF 2 years ago
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Douglas L. Brown wrote:
> "Not really a programmer"..Well I would stake a months salary to say
> that I could develop an application in CF that equeals what you can do and
> do it in half the time.
If you are serious about this months salary I'll gladly take you up on it.
..Well I would stake a months salary to say
that I could develop an application in CF that equeals what you can do and
do it in half the time.
Doug
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From: "Bud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday,
On 11/30/01, Steve Reich penned:
>You can be the world's greatest CF programmer, but if that's all you know,
>then you are severely limited in the services you can provide. I would even
>go as far to say that you're not *really* even a programmer. You are just a
>glorified software operator. (I am
Holy flark, CF5 totally destroyed the competition.
http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2764421,00.html
I think it was PCWorld who did the bechmarks during the 4.x era where CF
was #3. They updated their benchmarks when 5 came out and it blew the
rest of them away. I haven't s
.
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From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 12:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: asp vs. cf
I think it was PCWorld who did the bechmarks during the 4.x era where CF
was #3. They updated their benchmarks when 5 came out and it blew the
rest of
Ouch 16 forms, I spend 90 percent of my time developing some kind of
form, and I am always doing complex validation, both server and client
side. A good form is a work of art! If I knew I had 16 forms on the
burner though, I'd probably scream :)
To answer your question, as far as form develop
important, but try to not let that be the only concern.
>There are many good reasons why or why not to choose a particular middleware
>platform.
>
> EC
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, No
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Steve Reich wrote:
> Programming, in any language involves two key concepts: logic and syntax.
> Cold Fusion will teach you logic. But it does not teach you syntax. From
> that perspective, Cold Fusion tricks you into thinking you are a master
> programmer.
Programming is log
learn... you only can do one thing at a time...
:) admirable but a tad less enjoyable than perhaps taking a vacation :)
-paris
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From: Steve Reich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 19:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: asp vs. cf
> My boss just ask
> My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him
that
> CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with
my
> list I'd appreciate it.
I will add to this by saying that I am a CF programmer at heart, but I am
presently working on an ASP application.
of ActiveX
objects - otherwise, I use Studio.
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From: "John McCosker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: asp vs. cf
> >Homesite is actually the preferred developm
27;m not jumping on the ASP band wagon for one single second.
In case you think that.
I just believe MS people use MS tools.
jmc
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: asp vs. cf
> > CF-
g.
I hope this helps..
Brian Yager
President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group
Sr. Systems Analyst
NCCIM/CIC
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-Original Message-
From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: asp vs. cf
Tha
e are many good reasons why or why not to choose a particular middleware
platform.
EC
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From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: asp vs. cf
Thanks for all the input. My boss is looking
8:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: asp vs. cf
You do need Visual InterDev, and all that comes with it.
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From: nagraj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: asp vs. cf
CF- Need Addition Application Server
Where By You
> > CF- Need Addition Application Server
> > Where By You dont need any kind of Application Server w.r.t ASP
>
> You do need Visual InterDev, and all that comes with it.
No, you don't need Interdev for ASP development. From what I understand,
Homesite is actually the preferred development environ
nt: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: asp vs. cf
Michael
Is that chart upto date? Does it compare cf5 with the latest version of asp?
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30 November 2001 14:47
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: asp vs. cf
> >
> >
> > http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/body/asp.cfm
> > Its only been there for like 3 or 4 years.
> >
> > At 09:46 AM 11/30/01, you wrote:
> > >Ok..THIS time would
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> Sent: 30 November 2001 14:47
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: asp vs. cf
>
>
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/body/asp.cfm
> Its only been there for like 3 or 4 years.
>
> At 09:46 AM 11/30/01, you wrote:
> >Ok..THIS time would someone pla
> My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to
> show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If
> you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it.
Round and round we go!
There are many comparisons that have already been made; probably the
strongest one is that
You do need Visual InterDev, and all that comes with it.
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From: nagraj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: asp vs. cf
CF- Need Addition Application Server
Where By You dont need any kind of Application Server
It is there . . .
Dave
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From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: asp vs. cf
Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and
This comes up almost weekly. There is a good chart at www.houseoffusion.com
to explain. Take the "Information" link then click "ASP vs CF"
Dave
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From: "Steven Dworman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:46 AM
Subj
CF- Easy to Code and Debug. Not so easy With ASP.
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From: "Steven Dworman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:16 PM
Subject: asp vs. cf
> My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him
that
CF is Real Web RAD when Compared with ASP
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From: "Steven Dworman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:16 PM
Subject: asp vs. cf
> My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him
that
> CF is
> Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them
> on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :)
>
> That would be most cool!
There is a CF vs... section in the FAQ at
http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq/
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Aidan Whitehall <[EMAIL PROTECT
: RE: asp vs. cf
Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them
on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :)
That would be most cool!
I'll start off:
You write more ASP code than you do in CF to perform the same tasks.
App development in CF is
CF- Need Addition Application Server
Where By You dont need any kind of Application Server w.r.t ASP
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From: "Steven Dworman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:16 PM
Subject: asp vs. cf
> My boss just asked me for
http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/body/asp.cfm
Its only been there for like 3 or 4 years.
At 09:46 AM 11/30/01, you wrote:
>Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them
>on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :)
>
>That would be most cool!
>
>I'll s
http://www.houseoffusion.com
Check under . Great comparison.
EC
-Original Message-
From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: asp vs. cf
My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him tha
Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them
on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :)
That would be most cool!
I'll start off:
You write more ASP code than you do in CF to perform the same tasks.
App development in CF is a lot faster.
-Gel
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http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/body/asp.cfm
Try that.
EC
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From: Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ASP Vs. CF
Does anyone have a presentation on ASP Vs. CF? I have som
Go to http://www.houseoffusion.com and there is a comparison of CF and ASP.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:56 PM
Subject: ASP Vs. CF
> Does anyone have a presentation
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