Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.com wrote: This is my personal opinion, so please take it with a grain of salt, but I don't believe the shared hosting model will be around much longer. I agree with Adam. I don't speak to anywhere near as many hosting companies as he does but pretty much every one of them I've talked to in the last two years have indicated that shared hosting is a dying market and the push is toward cheap VPS options and cloud-based solutions. Besides, many hosting companies make a complete pig's ear of configuring ColdFusion in shared environments and either end up at one end of the scale where the system is so locked down it is unusable or at the other end of the scale where is it so open you're totally vulnerable to other users' stupidity (or malice). And don't get me started on the subject of people running e-commerce businesses on shared hosting accounts... ;) -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies US -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330794 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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For one specific host we discounted the cost of ColdFusion 8 by over $1M in good faith, and asked the hosting company not to charge more for CF than they do for ASP/PHP. In the end, the hosting company decided not to alter it's prices because the CF community is willing to pay the premium. Is it just me or does this seem like a fricking kick in the face to *both* Adobe and the CFML Community at large? Hmmm... what hosting company do we know of that has the resources to pull this kind of completely selfish and short-sighted BS? It's a shame you didn't mention the hosting companies name. I would love to have some place to direct my loathing. -Jordan Adrocknaphobia wrote: We are working to find an alternative way to license ColdFusion to hosting companies that is more cost effective for the smaller shops. However, it's a common misconception that the price of ColdFusion is proportionate to the cost of hosting. Hosting companies don't pay anywhere near list price. For one specific host we discounted the cost of ColdFusion 8 by over $1M in good faith, and asked the hosting company not to charge more for CF than they do for ASP/PHP. In the end, the hosting company decided not to alter it's prices because the CF community is willing to pay the premium. Can't say I really blame them, after all ColdFusion is a premium server/language compared to the the competition. This is my personal opinion, so please take it with a grain of salt, but I don't believe the shared hosting model will be around much longer. The costs of virtual private machines has been steadily dropping and cloud vendors like Amazon and Microsoft are driving costs down. Today Amazon offers a Linux AMI for as little as $40/month. Rather than spend engineering resources on a proprietary user/domain model that hosting companies would likely ignore, I'd rather remain focused on innovating ColdFusion development and try to bring a lost-cost version of CF to market that makes virtual machine hosting cheaper than shared hosting. Do you really want to spend another decade sharing a directory? If you are willing to take the risk to move to one of the clone engines, you should check out OpenBD on the Google App Engine. Free is hard to beat. ;-) -Adam On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Paul Alkema paulalkemadesi...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Gerald, I definitely agree with Kevin, If you're looking for a great CFML engine to run on your server and don't have the $$ for Adobe's ColdFusion, look into Railo. I develop on both and have found Railo to be very comparable to Adobe's Coldfusion. http://www.getrailo.org/index.cfm/download/#primary Paul Alkema http://www.AlkemaDesigns.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:23 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse While I have your attention. Could you, meaning Adobe, for the love of God and all that supports the CF community at large, put out a version of CF Server that a hosting company can use that offers some sort of user/domain based security with out us having to shell out $7500? Or in other terms: An affordable way to for us (the community) to provide Adobe ColdFusion hosting? Thanx G! On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Aptana, jQuery, ExtJS and AIR are all baked into ColdFusion Builder... with just one install. -Adam On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote: Aptana also has a plugin which allows you to code for Adobe AIR. http://andymatthews.net/category/AIR/ andy -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:39 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE a I made that leap a couple of years ago. This is my rig that I have been tweeking for the last couple of years and the what and why of what I use for CF/Web work. One thing to remember with Eclipse. More Plugins = More ram. I also make it a habit to jack up the RAM allotted to Eclipse from 256 megs to 512 in the eclipse.ini file. This will speed things up considerably. I start off with the PHP Eclipse distro because, well, I work with PHP a lot. But even if I didn't, it has a lot of the basic tools I use for web dev. Like support for XAMPP, Mysql etc Then I add the Aptana plugin and add it's plugins for Ajax, SVN, AIR support and what ever tickles my fancy at that moment. Some people are very vocal against Aptana (I mean some people just flat out despise it) . It has a nasty habit of firing up it's start up page every time you load it. You can turn this off by going to: Window Preferences Aapata Start up page and disable the start up page If you ask me, Aptana is fantastic for working with (X)HTML, CSS, JS, Ajax
Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse
And don't get me started on the subject of people running e-commerce businesses on shared hosting accounts... ;) A contract I had a couple years ago I went through a big fiasco with just this. The company was already using a shared host (a very cheap one at that) and when we told them that they needed a dedicated host, they refused at first. They nearly pulled out until I showed them how vulnerable their 100,000+ customers data was. Their log-on for their administration was not secured with SSL, they were collecting CC data along with the CCV codes into a shared database that was completely insecure. I finally proved it to them when I installed phpMyAdmin on a separate account at the host and you could login to their database using root with no password. Yes. the host had set root privileges with no password on a shared host. Needless to say this rather large website was moved to a dedicated host. -- /Kevin Pepperman ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330796 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Possible switch to CFEclipse
Hey Gerald, I definitely agree with Kevin, If you're looking for a great CFML engine to run on your server and don't have the $$ for Adobe's ColdFusion, look into Railo. I develop on both and have found Railo to be very comparable to Adobe's Coldfusion. http://www.getrailo.org/index.cfm/download/#primary Paul Alkema http://www.AlkemaDesigns.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:23 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse While I have your attention. Could you, meaning Adobe, for the love of God and all that supports the CF community at large, put out a version of CF Server that a hosting company can use that offers some sort of user/domain based security with out us having to shell out $7500? Or in other terms: An affordable way to for us (the community) to provide Adobe ColdFusion hosting? Thanx G! On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Aptana, jQuery, ExtJS and AIR are all baked into ColdFusion Builder... with just one install. -Adam On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote: Aptana also has a plugin which allows you to code for Adobe AIR. http://andymatthews.net/category/AIR/ andy -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:39 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE a I made that leap a couple of years ago. This is my rig that I have been tweeking for the last couple of years and the what and why of what I use for CF/Web work. One thing to remember with Eclipse. More Plugins = More ram. I also make it a habit to jack up the RAM allotted to Eclipse from 256 megs to 512 in the eclipse.ini file. This will speed things up considerably. I start off with the PHP Eclipse distro because, well, I work with PHP a lot. But even if I didn't, it has a lot of the basic tools I use for web dev. Like support for XAMPP, Mysql etc Then I add the Aptana plugin and add it's plugins for Ajax, SVN, AIR support and what ever tickles my fancy at that moment. Some people are very vocal against Aptana (I mean some people just flat out despise it) . It has a nasty habit of firing up it's start up page every time you load it. You can turn this off by going to: Window Preferences Aapata Start up page and disable the start up page If you ask me, Aptana is fantastic for working with (X)HTML, CSS, JS, Ajax, and in particular it's jQuery/JS support. It provides auto suggest, auto complete and inline help CSS, html, JS including all of the major AJAX/JS libraries as well as (inspection) for your own custom JS Libraries (and help as long as you document them). I really like it's CSS editor a lot. Then I add the Adobe CF 8.1 plugins and plop the CF 8.1 docs in the Plugins folder for good measure. Then Finally I install CFEclipse. I also Use XMLBuddy a lot because, well, I like it. Good luck. G! On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Terry Troxel te...@it-werks.com wrote: I do not want to start a flame here, just get some information to help me make a decision. I am using CF8 and not yet ready for CF9. I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE and would like to know what the requirements are for installing Eclipse and CFEclipse on my 32 bit dual core laptop w/3 gigs of ram. I do not know anyone who is currently using it which is why I am asking here. I do not do any Java programming at all and am planning on using it to replace Homesite if that is possible and maybe get some advise from all of you. If you recommend Eclipse, which package and other plugins do I need as well? Terry ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330735 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse
We are working to find an alternative way to license ColdFusion to hosting companies that is more cost effective for the smaller shops. However, it's a common misconception that the price of ColdFusion is proportionate to the cost of hosting. Hosting companies don't pay anywhere near list price. For one specific host we discounted the cost of ColdFusion 8 by over $1M in good faith, and asked the hosting company not to charge more for CF than they do for ASP/PHP. In the end, the hosting company decided not to alter it's prices because the CF community is willing to pay the premium. Can't say I really blame them, after all ColdFusion is a premium server/language compared to the the competition. This is my personal opinion, so please take it with a grain of salt, but I don't believe the shared hosting model will be around much longer. The costs of virtual private machines has been steadily dropping and cloud vendors like Amazon and Microsoft are driving costs down. Today Amazon offers a Linux AMI for as little as $40/month. Rather than spend engineering resources on a proprietary user/domain model that hosting companies would likely ignore, I'd rather remain focused on innovating ColdFusion development and try to bring a lost-cost version of CF to market that makes virtual machine hosting cheaper than shared hosting. Do you really want to spend another decade sharing a directory? If you are willing to take the risk to move to one of the clone engines, you should check out OpenBD on the Google App Engine. Free is hard to beat. ;-) -Adam On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Paul Alkema paulalkemadesi...@gmail.comwrote: Hey Gerald, I definitely agree with Kevin, If you're looking for a great CFML engine to run on your server and don't have the $$ for Adobe's ColdFusion, look into Railo. I develop on both and have found Railo to be very comparable to Adobe's Coldfusion. http://www.getrailo.org/index.cfm/download/#primary Paul Alkema http://www.AlkemaDesigns.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:23 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse While I have your attention. Could you, meaning Adobe, for the love of God and all that supports the CF community at large, put out a version of CF Server that a hosting company can use that offers some sort of user/domain based security with out us having to shell out $7500? Or in other terms: An affordable way to for us (the community) to provide Adobe ColdFusion hosting? Thanx G! On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Aptana, jQuery, ExtJS and AIR are all baked into ColdFusion Builder... with just one install. -Adam On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote: Aptana also has a plugin which allows you to code for Adobe AIR. http://andymatthews.net/category/AIR/ andy -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:39 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE a I made that leap a couple of years ago. This is my rig that I have been tweeking for the last couple of years and the what and why of what I use for CF/Web work. One thing to remember with Eclipse. More Plugins = More ram. I also make it a habit to jack up the RAM allotted to Eclipse from 256 megs to 512 in the eclipse.ini file. This will speed things up considerably. I start off with the PHP Eclipse distro because, well, I work with PHP a lot. But even if I didn't, it has a lot of the basic tools I use for web dev. Like support for XAMPP, Mysql etc Then I add the Aptana plugin and add it's plugins for Ajax, SVN, AIR support and what ever tickles my fancy at that moment. Some people are very vocal against Aptana (I mean some people just flat out despise it) . It has a nasty habit of firing up it's start up page every time you load it. You can turn this off by going to: Window Preferences Aapata Start up page and disable the start up page If you ask me, Aptana is fantastic for working with (X)HTML, CSS, JS, Ajax, and in particular it's jQuery/JS support. It provides auto suggest, auto complete and inline help CSS, html, JS including all of the major AJAX/JS libraries as well as (inspection) for your own custom JS Libraries (and help as long as you document them). I really like it's CSS editor a lot. Then I add the Adobe CF 8.1 plugins and plop the CF 8.1 docs in the Plugins folder for good measure. Then Finally I install CFEclipse. I also Use XMLBuddy a lot because, well, I like it. Good luck. G! On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Terry Troxel te...@it-werks.com wrote: I do
Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse
While I have your attention. Could you, meaning Adobe, for the love of God and all that supports the CF community at large, put out a version of CF Server that a hosting company can use that offers some sort of user/domain based security with out us having to shell out $7500? Or in other terms: An affordable way to for us (the community) to provide Adobe ColdFusion hosting? Thanx G! On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Aptana, jQuery, ExtJS and AIR are all baked into ColdFusion Builder... with just one install. -Adam On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote: Aptana also has a plugin which allows you to code for Adobe AIR. http://andymatthews.net/category/AIR/ andy -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:39 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE a I made that leap a couple of years ago. This is my rig that I have been tweeking for the last couple of years and the what and why of what I use for CF/Web work. One thing to remember with Eclipse. More Plugins = More ram. I also make it a habit to jack up the RAM allotted to Eclipse from 256 megs to 512 in the eclipse.ini file. This will speed things up considerably. I start off with the PHP Eclipse distro because, well, I work with PHP a lot. But even if I didn't, it has a lot of the basic tools I use for web dev. Like support for XAMPP, Mysql etc Then I add the Aptana plugin and add it's plugins for Ajax, SVN, AIR support and what ever tickles my fancy at that moment. Some people are very vocal against Aptana (I mean some people just flat out despise it) . It has a nasty habit of firing up it's start up page every time you load it. You can turn this off by going to: Window Preferences Aapata Start up page and disable the start up page If you ask me, Aptana is fantastic for working with (X)HTML, CSS, JS, Ajax, and in particular it's jQuery/JS support. It provides auto suggest, auto complete and inline help CSS, html, JS including all of the major AJAX/JS libraries as well as (inspection) for your own custom JS Libraries (and help as long as you document them). I really like it's CSS editor a lot. Then I add the Adobe CF 8.1 plugins and plop the CF 8.1 docs in the Plugins folder for good measure. Then Finally I install CFEclipse. I also Use XMLBuddy a lot because, well, I like it. Good luck. G! On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Terry Troxel te...@it-werks.com wrote: I do not want to start a flame here, just get some information to help me make a decision. I am using CF8 and not yet ready for CF9. I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE and would like to know what the requirements are for installing Eclipse and CFEclipse on my 32 bit dual core laptop w/3 gigs of ram. I do not know anyone who is currently using it which is why I am asking here. I do not do any Java programming at all and am planning on using it to replace Homesite if that is possible and maybe get some advise from all of you. If you recommend Eclipse, which package and other plugins do I need as well? Terry ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330727 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse
I would assume that Adobe has no interest in that, they probobly have too much of a vested interest in maintaining existing large customers with a slew of other proprietary software along with the CF license renewals etc. That has been a successful business model for them so far, so ill bet it wont change anytime soon. Railo or OpenBd are great alternatives though. Railo has web specific web context administration capabilities too. -- /Kevin Pepperman ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330728 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse
There is quite a difference with DreamWeaver / HomeSite versus Eclipse. If you are strictly developing ColdFusion code, you might be better off staying with a simpler IDE or waiting for the stand alone CFBuilder. I use a bunch of other plugins in Eclipse such as egit, svn, aptana, mylyn and all of the java based plugins (groovy, junit, jautodoc, etc) so using a ColdFusion plugin only simplifies the coding process. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330598 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse
I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE a I made that leap a couple of years ago. This is my rig that I have been tweeking for the last couple of years and the what and why of what I use for CF/Web work. One thing to remember with Eclipse. More Plugins = More ram. I also make it a habit to jack up the RAM allotted to Eclipse from 256 megs to 512 in the eclipse.ini file. This will speed things up considerably. I start off with the PHP Eclipse distro because, well, I work with PHP a lot. But even if I didn't, it has a lot of the basic tools I use for web dev. Like support for XAMPP, Mysql etc Then I add the Aptana plugin and add it's plugins for Ajax, SVN, AIR support and what ever tickles my fancy at that moment. Some people are very vocal against Aptana (I mean some people just flat out despise it) . It has a nasty habit of firing up it's start up page every time you load it. You can turn this off by going to: Window Preferences Aapata Start up page and disable the start up page If you ask me, Aptana is fantastic for working with (X)HTML, CSS, JS, Ajax, and in particular it's jQuery/JS support. It provides auto suggest, auto complete and inline help CSS, html, JS including all of the major AJAX/JS libraries as well as (inspection) for your own custom JS Libraries (and help as long as you document them). I really like it's CSS editor a lot. Then I add the Adobe CF 8.1 plugins and plop the CF 8.1 docs in the Plugins folder for good measure. Then Finally I install CFEclipse. I also Use XMLBuddy a lot because, well, I like it. Good luck. G! On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Terry Troxel te...@it-werks.com wrote: I do not want to start a flame here, just get some information to help me make a decision. I am using CF8 and not yet ready for CF9. I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE and would like to know what the requirements are for installing Eclipse and CFEclipse on my 32 bit dual core laptop w/3 gigs of ram. I do not know anyone who is currently using it which is why I am asking here. I do not do any Java programming at all and am planning on using it to replace Homesite if that is possible and maybe get some advise from all of you. If you recommend Eclipse, which package and other plugins do I need as well? Terry ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330608 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse
The only thing I've yet found that Eclipse + plugins can do for me is WYSIWIG page development. I still keep a copy of Dreamweaver around for that. However, I've not really looked that hard to find a plugin in the last two years. Maybe something has risen to the challenge. Everything else, such as SVN, editing, etc. is perfectly fine. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330617 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Possible switch to CFEclipse
Aptana also has a plugin which allows you to code for Adobe AIR. http://andymatthews.net/category/AIR/ andy -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:39 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE a I made that leap a couple of years ago. This is my rig that I have been tweeking for the last couple of years and the what and why of what I use for CF/Web work. One thing to remember with Eclipse. More Plugins = More ram. I also make it a habit to jack up the RAM allotted to Eclipse from 256 megs to 512 in the eclipse.ini file. This will speed things up considerably. I start off with the PHP Eclipse distro because, well, I work with PHP a lot. But even if I didn't, it has a lot of the basic tools I use for web dev. Like support for XAMPP, Mysql etc Then I add the Aptana plugin and add it's plugins for Ajax, SVN, AIR support and what ever tickles my fancy at that moment. Some people are very vocal against Aptana (I mean some people just flat out despise it) . It has a nasty habit of firing up it's start up page every time you load it. You can turn this off by going to: Window Preferences Aapata Start up page and disable the start up page If you ask me, Aptana is fantastic for working with (X)HTML, CSS, JS, Ajax, and in particular it's jQuery/JS support. It provides auto suggest, auto complete and inline help CSS, html, JS including all of the major AJAX/JS libraries as well as (inspection) for your own custom JS Libraries (and help as long as you document them). I really like it's CSS editor a lot. Then I add the Adobe CF 8.1 plugins and plop the CF 8.1 docs in the Plugins folder for good measure. Then Finally I install CFEclipse. I also Use XMLBuddy a lot because, well, I like it. Good luck. G! On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Terry Troxel te...@it-werks.com wrote: I do not want to start a flame here, just get some information to help me make a decision. I am using CF8 and not yet ready for CF9. I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE and would like to know what the requirements are for installing Eclipse and CFEclipse on my 32 bit dual core laptop w/3 gigs of ram. I do not know anyone who is currently using it which is why I am asking here. I do not do any Java programming at all and am planning on using it to replace Homesite if that is possible and maybe get some advise from all of you. If you recommend Eclipse, which package and other plugins do I need as well? Terry ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330621 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse
Aptana, jQuery, ExtJS and AIR are all baked into ColdFusion Builder... with just one install. -Adam On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.comwrote: Aptana also has a plugin which allows you to code for Adobe AIR. http://andymatthews.net/category/AIR/ andy -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:39 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE a I made that leap a couple of years ago. This is my rig that I have been tweeking for the last couple of years and the what and why of what I use for CF/Web work. One thing to remember with Eclipse. More Plugins = More ram. I also make it a habit to jack up the RAM allotted to Eclipse from 256 megs to 512 in the eclipse.ini file. This will speed things up considerably. I start off with the PHP Eclipse distro because, well, I work with PHP a lot. But even if I didn't, it has a lot of the basic tools I use for web dev. Like support for XAMPP, Mysql etc Then I add the Aptana plugin and add it's plugins for Ajax, SVN, AIR support and what ever tickles my fancy at that moment. Some people are very vocal against Aptana (I mean some people just flat out despise it) . It has a nasty habit of firing up it's start up page every time you load it. You can turn this off by going to: Window Preferences Aapata Start up page and disable the start up page If you ask me, Aptana is fantastic for working with (X)HTML, CSS, JS, Ajax, and in particular it's jQuery/JS support. It provides auto suggest, auto complete and inline help CSS, html, JS including all of the major AJAX/JS libraries as well as (inspection) for your own custom JS Libraries (and help as long as you document them). I really like it's CSS editor a lot. Then I add the Adobe CF 8.1 plugins and plop the CF 8.1 docs in the Plugins folder for good measure. Then Finally I install CFEclipse. I also Use XMLBuddy a lot because, well, I like it. Good luck. G! On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Terry Troxel te...@it-werks.com wrote: I do not want to start a flame here, just get some information to help me make a decision. I am using CF8 and not yet ready for CF9. I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE and would like to know what the requirements are for installing Eclipse and CFEclipse on my 32 bit dual core laptop w/3 gigs of ram. I do not know anyone who is currently using it which is why I am asking here. I do not do any Java programming at all and am planning on using it to replace Homesite if that is possible and maybe get some advise from all of you. If you recommend Eclipse, which package and other plugins do I need as well? Terry ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330633 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Possible switch to CFEclipse
I do not want to start a flame here, just get some information to help me make a decision. I am using CF8 and not yet ready for CF9. I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE and would like to know what the requirements are for installing Eclipse and CFEclipse on my 32 bit dual core laptop w/3 gigs of ram. I do not know anyone who is currently using it which is why I am asking here. I do not do any Java programming at all and am planning on using it to replace Homesite if that is possible and maybe get some advise from all of you. If you recommend Eclipse, which package and other plugins do I need as well? Terry ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330579 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Possible switch to CFEclipse
Well, the question here is more - what do you do outside of cfml editing? I tend to download the Eclipse Java EE developer package that has the Eclipse Web Tool Plugins (WTP) installed by default - so that covers some straight HTML, XML and JS files. Some people prefer Aptana studio for that, but they can work side by side easily. If you are looking at doing database querying through Eclipse, you can look at the Eclipe Data Tools Plugins (DTP). This can be a little tricky to set up, and provides decent database support, but a vendor specific client tends to be better - YMMV. The next question is - are you using source control? If so, which one? Each has at least 1 plugin at its disposal depending on what you are doing. Are you doing unit testing? The mxUnit plugin is a must if you are. I could go on, but really it boils down to - what do you want Eclipse to do for you? Mark On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Terry Troxel te...@it-werks.com wrote: I do not want to start a flame here, just get some information to help me make a decision. I am using CF8 and not yet ready for CF9. I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE and would like to know what the requirements are for installing Eclipse and CFEclipse on my 32 bit dual core laptop w/3 gigs of ram. I do not know anyone who is currently using it which is why I am asking here. I do not do any Java programming at all and am planning on using it to replace Homesite if that is possible and maybe get some advise from all of you. If you recommend Eclipse, which package and other plugins do I need as well? Terry ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330580 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Possible switch to CFEclipse
I think you'll find that the majority oif public CF developers use CFEclipse, or CFBuilder. It's robust (if a bit of a memory hog), it's extensible (if a little overwhelming sometimes), and it's highly configurable (if a little confusing). It took me a few years to really feel comfortable with it, but now it would be hard to imagine using anything other than an Eclipse based IDE. andy -Original Message- From: Terry Troxel [mailto:te...@it-werks.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:24 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Possible switch to CFEclipse I do not want to start a flame here, just get some information to help me make a decision. I am using CF8 and not yet ready for CF9. I am currently using Homesite+ for my IDE and would like to know what the requirements are for installing Eclipse and CFEclipse on my 32 bit dual core laptop w/3 gigs of ram. I do not know anyone who is currently using it which is why I am asking here. I do not do any Java programming at all and am planning on using it to replace Homesite if that is possible and maybe get some advise from all of you. If you recommend Eclipse, which package and other plugins do I need as well? Terry ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330581 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
