[cia-drugs] Re: ruppert to leave the USA for good
Grow bio-mass locally Sounds contradictory, since we could have lower oil prices today if people got wind that its' all abiogenic. But we have to live today. At about three dollars a gallon for diesel, we could all save fifty cents a gallon by buying virgin cooking oil at Costco. Then we could invest our fifty cents a gallon in reclaimed cooking oil co-ops. I pick up raw milk, eggs, beef, at a local farm once a week. There is a crowd of people willing to pick up at the next hop, which could be my house. If I had a big walk-in frig, a stand-alone building, collecting items from two or three different farms and co-ops, another layer of people would become involved--those who are presently unwilling or unable to drive an hour and a half or two once a week for a gallon of raw milk or a head of lettuce. The reason I mention this is that a diesel generator for my house plus that walk-in refrigerator starts to sound reasonable, plus a diesel car, and have my own underground tank and pump for reclaimed cooking oil, maybe sell fuel to dump trucks and concrete trucks. Critical mass? Mustard seed and hemp make cheap oil for diesel. We don't have to fight the hemp legalization through before adopting biogenic diesel. Ironically Mike Ruppert says we already have biogenic diesel, i.e. fossil diesel, but we don't. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peak oil is a bull-looney social engineering and profit-making enterprise. Have you ever seen fossils in rock? You seen fossils in coal? They look kind of similar don't they? Now how do you get fossils in coal seams if the coal is made-up of fossils? All oil is abiotic. The peak-oil crisis' comes from the oil monopoly trust that is held by the same secret societal forces that have been setting the stage for some time now. Grow bio-mass locally. Desist the thralldom. tents444, you are wrong twice, IMHO, because forces within the USA most assuredly facilitated the 19 lone cadre and mad arab in a cave in their roles in the play. So you may be wrong in your acceptance of Mr. Ruppert's forced exile. Mike blames America and her people, that is scapegoating and misdirection. America has had an amazing program of psychological warfare mounted against it. America's people have been quite stiff-necked to this program and have been a problem to the nefarious secret societal networks that have been used against us hoi polloi. As I have said before, Mike targeted activists, then tried stuff first the CIA-Drugs movements, later the 9-11 movement and then lead activist down the peak-oil rabbit hole. MHO, Peace, Om K On Aug 20, 2006, at 1:54 PM, tents444 wrote: --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban mcurb@ wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. That is a great article. Here is the URL: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm I agree with nearly all of it. As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know about that stuff, since I don't know Mike Ruppert personally. I hope his website stays up: http://www.fromthewilderness.com It has a lot of good info. I agree with the peak oil theory. It is already happening. And abiotic oil is too deep and too inaccessible right now to make much difference. Even when some abiotic oil bubbles up to become accessible it is not doing so in a great enough way to offset the huge demand for oil. So the peak oil theory still holds true. Peak Oil is nothing more than the truth of supply and demand setting prices. And abiotic oil deep in the earth costs too much to bring up right now. I disagree that the USA facilitated 9-11. But that is only an opinion. I think it is more likely that the hijackers picked the day of the simulated hijackings to pull off the real thing. Brilliant on their part. This caused the delay of intercepting aircraft since they thought there was a simulated hijacking going on. Same as the terrorist attacks in London. The bombers picked the day of a simulated terrorist attack scenario that the authorities were doing that day. So the USA and Britain facilitated the terrorist attacks due to their stupidity. We can all agree on their stupidity can't we? :) My favorite paragraph from Mike Ruppert's article: QUOTE: My permanent exodus from the US was actually ordained thirty years -- to the month -- before I left for good on July 18th, 2006. It was thirty years ago that my then-fiance, a career contract agent for the CIA, disclosed to me that her people were interested in giving a major boost to my career with LAPD if I would become involved with her anti-terror operations that involved overlooking (i.e. protecting) large drug shipments coming in while facilitating the movement of large quantities of firearms going out. I refused to compromise my ethics as a police officer
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The Illuminati, specifically David Rockefeller, do not want to extract much oil because if they did, the price would lower. If memory serves, I read that here on this list, so what you're saying tents444 is invalid. Peace, Arlene Johnson Publisher/Author http://www.truedemocracy.net -Original Message- From: tents444 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 23, 2006 4:20 AM To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: ruppert to leave the USA for good It doesn't really matter that much if oil is biotic or abiotic in the end. Or even if there is a lot of abiotic oil. What matters is the cost of extraction. It is simple supply and demand. So the Peak Oil theory still holds true. Mike Ruppert doesn't own the Peak Oil theory by the way. He is just one of many people who believe it still holds true. It is not really a belief in Peak Oil. It is more a belief that costs are determined largely by supply and demand. Abiotic oil is not coming in cheap enough and fast enough to counteract the huge increasing demand for oil. So the cost of oil keeps going up. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Arlene Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who believes that there isn't enough abiotic oil in Russia, needs to read the 19th edtion. It's free on my Web site for everyone in this listserv. That's because all my editions are free to the people who belong to this listserv. The 19th doesn't even need a password to access. Peace, Arlene Johnsom Publisher/Author http://www.truedemocracy.net Click on the 4th icon, the one that says Magazine to access my e- zine and then scroll down till you see #19. -Original Message- From: tents444 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 22, 2006 2:38 AM To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: ruppert to leave the USA for good Bob, I never paid much attention to the vreeland stuff. I ignore most conspiracy theory stuff because I know it would take all my time to thoroughly investigate it and come to a reasonable conclusion. I doubt many people have spent enough time either. So most of us take it all with a grain of salt. So when you list this and that concerning a multitude of issues and try to string them together into some conclusion, then I pretty much ignore it. Because investigating just one part of your theories would take a very long time. So because of the multitude of facts you string together, for that alone I don't believe you are an expert, or that your conclusions are necessarily true. You are just one more person with an opinion. But you didn't address my point about abiotic oil and that Peak Oil theory still remains true even with the existence of abiotic (not from biological sources) oil. As far as I know no one has found a way to pull up enough deep abiotic oil at a reasonable price to make a real dent in the huge demand for oil. So Peak Oil pricing is happening now. It just costs too much to pull up oil from deep levels. And it isn't refilling oil reservoirs fast enough to make a real dent in the huge demand for oil. And everyone needs to read part 2 of Mike Ruppert's article from Venezuela describing the incredible harassment he has endured: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/message/36033 The full Mike Ruppert article from Venezuela is here: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtm l The Rense.com page has only the first part of the article: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm eco --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, muckblit muckblit@ wrote: As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know ...that it's crap, because it's all citations from publicly known Ruppert history, from his own mouth and writings. But you kill the messenger, ignore specifics. Unsurprisingly you add that you are wrong on many other topics as well, failing to cite specifics on any of those knee-jerk subliminally cloned positions. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, tents444 tents444@ wrote: --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban mcurb@ wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. That is a great article. Here is the URL: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm I agree with nearly all of it. As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know about that stuff, since I don't know Mike Ruppert personally. I hope his website stays up: http://www.fromthewilderness.com It has a lot of good info. I agree with the peak oil theory. It is already happening. And abiotic oil is too deep and too inaccessible right now to make much difference. Even when some abiotic oil bubbles up to become accessible it is not doing so in a great enough way to offset the huge demand for oil. So the peak oil theory still holds true. Peak Oil is
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Yes, all oil is abiotic. The Illuminati are even lying about that in order to control us. I feel that Mike made the decision to leave the US for the same reasons basically as I did. Neither of us was forced to leave it, but left before the government could do us anymore harm. Mike has been betrayed countless times. I know because he told me. I have been betrayed two major times and several other times. This continues too, but every time I land on my feet. See my Travel Journal Blog for details as to why I left the US at http://arleneljohnson.livejournal.com/ People who were on this listserv in January 2002 may remember a certain post that inspired me to get out! Peace, Arlene Johnson Publisher/Author http://www.truedemocracy.net the home of The Journal of History Click on the icon that says Magazine. Password for 2006: message -Original Message- From: RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 22, 2006 10:36 PM To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Cc: RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] Re: ruppert to leave the USA for good Peak oil is a bull-looney social engineering and profit-making enterprise. Have you ever seen fossils in rock? You seen fossils in coal? They look kind of similar don't they? Now how do you get fossils in coal seams if the coal is made-up of fossils? All oil is abiotic. The peak-oil crisis' comes from the oil monopoly trust that is held by the same secret societal forces that have been setting the stage for some time now. Grow bio-mass locally. Desist the thralldom. tents444, you are wrong twice, IMHO, because forces within the USA most assuredly facilitated the 19 lone cadre and mad arab in a cave in their roles in the play. So you may be wrong in your acceptance of Mr. Ruppert's forced exile. Mike blames America and her people, that is scapegoating and misdirection. America has had an amazing program of psychological warfare mounted against it. America's people have been quite stiff-necked to this program and have been a problem to the nefarious secret societal networks that have been used against us hoi polloi. As I have said before, Mike targeted activists, then tried stuff first the CIA-Drugs movements, later the 9-11 movement and then lead activist down the peak-oil rabbit hole. MHO, Peace, Om K On Aug 20, 2006, at 1:54 PM, tents444 wrote: --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. That is a great article. Here is the URL: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm I agree with nearly all of it. As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know about that stuff, since I don't know Mike Ruppert personally. I hope his website stays up: http://www.fromthewilderness.com It has a lot of good info. I agree with the peak oil theory. It is already happening. And abiotic oil is too deep and too inaccessible right now to make much difference. Even when some abiotic oil bubbles up to become accessible it is not doing so in a great enough way to offset the huge demand for oil. So the peak oil theory still holds true. Peak Oil is nothing more than the truth of supply and demand setting prices. And abiotic oil deep in the earth costs too much to bring up right now. I disagree that the USA facilitated 9-11. But that is only an opinion. I think it is more likely that the hijackers picked the day of the simulated hijackings to pull off the real thing. Brilliant on their part. This caused the delay of intercepting aircraft since they thought there was a simulated hijacking going on. Same as the terrorist attacks in London. The bombers picked the day of a simulated terrorist attack scenario that the authorities were doing that day. So the USA and Britain facilitated the terrorist attacks due to their stupidity. We can all agree on their stupidity can't we? :) My favorite paragraph from Mike Ruppert's article: QUOTE: My permanent exodus from the US was actually ordained thirty years -- to the month -- before I left for good on July 18th, 2006. It was thirty years ago that my then-fiance, a career contract agent for the CIA, disclosed to me that her people were interested in giving a major boost to my career with LAPD if I would become involved with her anti-terror operations that involved overlooking (i.e. protecting) large drug shipments coming in while facilitating the movement of large quantities of firearms going out. I refused to compromise my ethics as a police officer and -- as I wrote on page 6 of Crossing the Rubicon - that has determined the course of my life ever since. UNQUOTE. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links
[cia-drugs] Re: ruppert to leave the USA for good
It doesn't really matter that much if oil is biotic or abiotic in the end. Or even if there is a lot of abiotic oil. What matters is the cost of extraction. It is simple supply and demand. So the Peak Oil theory still holds true. Mike Ruppert doesn't own the Peak Oil theory by the way. He is just one of many people who believe it still holds true. It is not really a belief in Peak Oil. It is more a belief that costs are determined largely by supply and demand. Abiotic oil is not coming in cheap enough and fast enough to counteract the huge increasing demand for oil. So the cost of oil keeps going up. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Arlene Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who believes that there isn't enough abiotic oil in Russia, needs to read the 19th edtion. It's free on my Web site for everyone in this listserv. That's because all my editions are free to the people who belong to this listserv. The 19th doesn't even need a password to access. Peace, Arlene Johnsom Publisher/Author http://www.truedemocracy.net Click on the 4th icon, the one that says Magazine to access my e- zine and then scroll down till you see #19. -Original Message- From: tents444 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 22, 2006 2:38 AM To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: ruppert to leave the USA for good Bob, I never paid much attention to the vreeland stuff. I ignore most conspiracy theory stuff because I know it would take all my time to thoroughly investigate it and come to a reasonable conclusion. I doubt many people have spent enough time either. So most of us take it all with a grain of salt. So when you list this and that concerning a multitude of issues and try to string them together into some conclusion, then I pretty much ignore it. Because investigating just one part of your theories would take a very long time. So because of the multitude of facts you string together, for that alone I don't believe you are an expert, or that your conclusions are necessarily true. You are just one more person with an opinion. But you didn't address my point about abiotic oil and that Peak Oil theory still remains true even with the existence of abiotic (not from biological sources) oil. As far as I know no one has found a way to pull up enough deep abiotic oil at a reasonable price to make a real dent in the huge demand for oil. So Peak Oil pricing is happening now. It just costs too much to pull up oil from deep levels. And it isn't refilling oil reservoirs fast enough to make a real dent in the huge demand for oil. And everyone needs to read part 2 of Mike Ruppert's article from Venezuela describing the incredible harassment he has endured: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/message/36033 The full Mike Ruppert article from Venezuela is here: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtm l The Rense.com page has only the first part of the article: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm eco --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, muckblit muckblit@ wrote: As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know ...that it's crap, because it's all citations from publicly known Ruppert history, from his own mouth and writings. But you kill the messenger, ignore specifics. Unsurprisingly you add that you are wrong on many other topics as well, failing to cite specifics on any of those knee-jerk subliminally cloned positions. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, tents444 tents444@ wrote: --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban mcurb@ wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. That is a great article. Here is the URL: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm I agree with nearly all of it. As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know about that stuff, since I don't know Mike Ruppert personally. I hope his website stays up: http://www.fromthewilderness.com It has a lot of good info. I agree with the peak oil theory. It is already happening. And abiotic oil is too deep and too inaccessible right now to make much difference. Even when some abiotic oil bubbles up to become accessible it is not doing so in a great enough way to offset the huge demand for oil. So the peak oil theory still holds true. Peak Oil is nothing more than the truth of supply and demand setting prices. And abiotic oil deep in the earth costs too much to bring up right now. I disagree that the USA facilitated 9-11. But that is only an opinion. I think it is more likely that the hijackers picked the day of the simulated hijackings to pull off the real thing. Brilliant on their part. This caused the delay of intercepting aircraft since they thought there was a
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Anyone who believes that there isn't enough abiotic oil in Russia, needs to read the 19th edtion. It's free on my Web site for everyone in this listserv. That's because all my editions are free to the people who belong to this listserv. The 19th doesn't even need a password to access. Peace, Arlene Johnsom Publisher/Author http://www.truedemocracy.net Click on the 4th icon, the one that says Magazine to access my e-zine and then scroll down till you see #19. -Original Message- From: tents444 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 22, 2006 2:38 AM To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: ruppert to leave the USA for good Bob, I never paid much attention to the vreeland stuff. I ignore most conspiracy theory stuff because I know it would take all my time to thoroughly investigate it and come to a reasonable conclusion. I doubt many people have spent enough time either. So most of us take it all with a grain of salt. So when you list this and that concerning a multitude of issues and try to string them together into some conclusion, then I pretty much ignore it. Because investigating just one part of your theories would take a very long time. So because of the multitude of facts you string together, for that alone I don't believe you are an expert, or that your conclusions are necessarily true. You are just one more person with an opinion. But you didn't address my point about abiotic oil and that Peak Oil theory still remains true even with the existence of abiotic (not from biological sources) oil. As far as I know no one has found a way to pull up enough deep abiotic oil at a reasonable price to make a real dent in the huge demand for oil. So Peak Oil pricing is happening now. It just costs too much to pull up oil from deep levels. And it isn't refilling oil reservoirs fast enough to make a real dent in the huge demand for oil. And everyone needs to read part 2 of Mike Ruppert's article from Venezuela describing the incredible harassment he has endured: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/message/36033 The full Mike Ruppert article from Venezuela is here: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml The Rense.com page has only the first part of the article: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm eco --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, muckblit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know ...that it's crap, because it's all citations from publicly known Ruppert history, from his own mouth and writings. But you kill the messenger, ignore specifics. Unsurprisingly you add that you are wrong on many other topics as well, failing to cite specifics on any of those knee-jerk subliminally cloned positions. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, tents444 tents444@ wrote: --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban mcurb@ wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. That is a great article. Here is the URL: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm I agree with nearly all of it. As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know about that stuff, since I don't know Mike Ruppert personally. I hope his website stays up: http://www.fromthewilderness.com It has a lot of good info. I agree with the peak oil theory. It is already happening. And abiotic oil is too deep and too inaccessible right now to make much difference. Even when some abiotic oil bubbles up to become accessible it is not doing so in a great enough way to offset the huge demand for oil. So the peak oil theory still holds true. Peak Oil is nothing more than the truth of supply and demand setting prices. And abiotic oil deep in the earth costs too much to bring up right now. I disagree that the USA facilitated 9-11. But that is only an opinion. I think it is more likely that the hijackers picked the day of the simulated hijackings to pull off the real thing. Brilliant on their part. This caused the delay of intercepting aircraft since they thought there was a simulated hijacking going on. Same as the terrorist attacks in London. The bombers picked the day of a simulated terrorist attack scenario that the authorities were doing that day. So the USA and Britain facilitated the terrorist attacks due to their stupidity. We can all agree on their stupidity can't we? :) My favorite paragraph from Mike Ruppert's article: QUOTE: My permanent exodus from the US was actually ordained thirty years -- to the month -- before I left for good on July 18th, 2006. It was thirty years ago that my then-fiance, a career contract agent for the CIA, disclosed to me that her people were interested in giving a major boost to my career with LAPD if I would become involved with her anti-terror operations that involved overlooking (i.e.
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tents44 wrote:"I disagree that the USA facilitated 9-11." I wonder if the author has considered the lack of criminal invesigation of 911, arguably the most atrocious crime in our country this century? Here are some thoughts on the subject from a prior message I sent to others: It is clear that what is arguably the worst crime committed in America in this century was never investigated as a crime. No effort was made to determine who did it. Instead the media began a drumbeat of Osama and Al Queda did it. Although proof of that was promised by Colin Powell, it never was produced. And Condaleezza Rice promised a white paper setting forth the proof, but it never appeared. When the President Bush demanded that Afghanistan turn over Osama, they agreed to do so but required that the U.S. first produce proof that he had done it. No proof was produced. Osama twice publicly denied that he had anything to do with the events of September 11, 2001. Instead of producing proof, our government set about to hide the evidence. Obviously the first thing one would do to determine the cause of the collapse of the three towers at the World Trade Center would be to carefully examine the steel girders and other debris. But armed guards were immediately posted at the siteto prevent anyoneexamining the debris. Nor even take photographs of it. And then the debris was promptly shipped out of the country. The best evidence of what struck the Pentagon is the images captured by surveillance cameras in the area. The videos from nearby surveillance cameras were quickly seized by the FBI from a service station with a direct view of the Pentagon. Similarly two other private surveillance cameras in nearby buildings were seized within minutes of the event. The Pentagon itself has many surveillance cameras, of course, that likely captured the event. However, with the exception of a few frames from a camera in a parking lot that shows an indistinct flying object striking the Pentagon, the government has refused all Freedom of Information Act requests for the release of this data. Strange, that, because the evidence in the videos would clear up the question of what actually struck the Pentagon. A meeting of air traffic controllers was held shortly after 911 to discuss what they had experienced. Six air traffic controllers provided accounts of their communications with hijacked planes on Sept. 11, 2001, on a tape recording that was later destroyed by Federal Aviation Administration managers, according to a government investigative report. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A6632-2004May6?language=printer The Defense Department released a video tape of Osama on December 13, 2001, excerpts from which were shown on prime time television several times. http://tinyurl.com/mqhzb Many people interpreted the translated dialog as a confession that bin Laden had been behind the attacks on 911. CNN reported: (CNN) -- Osama bin Laden recounts with delight the September 11 terrorist attacks against the United States as he talks with associates on a videotape released Thursday by the Bush administration. http://tinyurl.com/z6fc2 However, it was quickly established that the man playing the part of Osama on the tape was not the real Osama and nothing was ever seen or heard of the tape thereafter. Somehow, CNN failed to report that the tape was a fake. WILL THE REAL OSAMA BIN LADEN PLEASE STEP FORWARD! As many widely circulated pictures of Osama bin Laden show, he has a long thin face and a long thin nose. The fake Osama was round faced and had a broad nose. Recently, it was revealed that the Most Wanted poster of Osama bin Laden, posted at the FBI website, did not list the events of 911 as a crime for which he was wanted. http://tinyurl.com/syn8m When queried, the FBI said it had no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11 The National Transportation and Safety Board investigates plane crashes. That is its reason for being. Except on 911. There is no indication that they investigated the crash at the Pentagon.. Although the media reports that American Airlines Flight 77 was hijacked and flown into the Pentagon, there is no credible evidence of the crash of such a huge plane. CNN's Jamie McIntyre reported live from the Pentagon. He said there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon; no large sections of wing, tail, or fuselage visible. http://tinyurl.com/qbr4h Samuel Danner (electrical engineer for AmTrak), was involved in the clean-up at the Pentagon crash site and inspected the debris at the site. http://tinyurl.com/nhqvk He said, "It was not a Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon. He relates how the authorities immediately organized a crew to clean up the debris on the Pentagon lawn. Here is a clip from the CNN coverage showing the crew cleaning up the lawn of the Pentagon after the crash. See below
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Peak oil is a bull-looney social engineering and profit-making enterprise. Have you ever seen fossils in rock? You seen fossils in coal? They look kind of similar don't they? Now how do you get fossils in coal seams if the coal is made-up of fossils? All oil is abiotic. The peak-oil crisis' comes from the oil monopoly trust that is held by the same secret societal forces that have been setting the stage for some time now. Grow bio-mass locally. Desist the thralldom. tents444, you are wrong twice, IMHO, because forces within the USA most assuredly facilitated the 19 lone cadre and mad arab in a cave in their roles in the play. So you may be wrong in your acceptance of Mr. Ruppert's forced exile. Mike blames America and her people, that is scapegoating and misdirection. America has had an amazing program of psychological warfare mounted against it. America's people have been quite stiff-necked to this program and have been a problem to the nefarious secret societal networks that have been used against us hoi polloi. As I have said before, Mike targeted activists, then tried stuff first the CIA-Drugs movements, later the 9-11 movement and then lead activist down the peak-oil rabbit hole. MHO, Peace, Om K On Aug 20, 2006, at 1:54 PM, tents444 wrote: --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. That is a great article. Here is the URL: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm I agree with nearly all of it. As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know about that stuff, since I don't know Mike Ruppert personally. I hope his website stays up: http://www.fromthewilderness.com It has a lot of good info. I agree with the peak oil theory. It is already happening. And abiotic oil is too deep and too inaccessible right now to make much difference. Even when some abiotic oil bubbles up to become accessible it is not doing so in a great enough way to offset the huge demand for oil. So the peak oil theory still holds true. Peak Oil is nothing more than the truth of supply and demand setting prices. And abiotic oil deep in the earth costs too much to bring up right now. I disagree that the USA facilitated 9-11. But that is only an opinion. I think it is more likely that the hijackers picked the day of the simulated hijackings to pull off the real thing. Brilliant on their part. This caused the delay of intercepting aircraft since they thought there was a simulated hijacking going on. Same as the terrorist attacks in London. The bombers picked the day of a simulated terrorist attack scenario that the authorities were doing that day. So the USA and Britain facilitated the terrorist attacks due to their stupidity. We can all agree on their stupidity can't we? :) My favorite paragraph from Mike Ruppert's article: QUOTE: My permanent exodus from the US was actually ordained thirty years -- to the month -- before I left for good on July 18th, 2006. It was thirty years ago that my then-fiance, a career contract agent for the CIA, disclosed to me that her people were interested in giving a major boost to my career with LAPD if I would become involved with her anti-terror operations that involved overlooking (i.e. protecting) large drug shipments coming in while facilitating the movement of large quantities of firearms going out. I refused to compromise my ethics as a police officer and -- as I wrote on page 6 of Crossing the Rubicon - that has determined the course of my life ever since. UNQUOTE. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Regarding Steve Hager's speculations below:1. I was privy to no inside information about Delmart Vreeland. I approached the Vreeland issue as I approach all issues: with the utmost skepticism and the highest possible truth standards. I always demand rock solid evidence from those making sensational claims. For a time I was the only person questioning Ruppert about his dubious assertions concerning Vreeland, and I was heavily attacked for doing so.2. I was not involved in any controlled dialectic with Ruppert -- I pursued honest disagreements with Ruppert, especially over the role of Israel in conspiracy politics. I am not "friends" with Ruppert -- I simply don't feel motivated to engage in personal attacks against him. I've noticed an honest evolution in his views over the years. He has produced some interesting research into 9/11, certainly more valuable than that of most of his detractors. I have no interest in defending his work or his life as whole. For awhile I wondered if Ruppert was an Israeli op, since he leaned so heavily on the anti-Semitism smear to try to obstruct honest discussion about Israel, but he gradually modified and revised his thoughts on this subject when he was confronted with some unassailable facts.3. Both Kris Millegan and Steve Hager have made wild and inaccurate charges about a number of subjects with which I am intimately familiar. I regard neither of them, or anyone associated with High Times, as serious historians or political analysts. They are in the conspiracy entertainment business, and certainly represent no threat to the real powers that be. They are not remotely in the same league as Billmon, Craig Unger, David Ray Griffin, James Bamford, James Wolcott, Jeffrey Steinberg, Juan Cole, Kurt Nimmo, Jim Fetzer, Justin Raimondo, Patrick Lang, Paul Craig Roberts, Robert Dreyfuss, Robert Parry, Sidney Blumenthal, Steven Sniegoski, xymphora and many other investigators into deep politics. Their analysis of contemporary politics is poorly informed and close to useless, when it is not outright laughably delusional.4. High Times and similar publications are not treated as a serious sources in the graduate schools and research centers at the elite universities which produce minds which actually have some grasp of what is going on in the real world of power elite politics. Knowledgeable insiders are reading advanced technical and scholarly journals and reports with a clear head, not getting stoned and wanking over whatever free association fantasies float into view. Conspiracy scholarship and conspiracy entertainment are two entirely different and contradictory fields of activity.5. Real conspirators control the conspiracy entertainment business and use it to flood the world with distracting conspiracy disinformation. Real conspiracies are always uncovered by a simple formula: follow the money to the top of the food chain. The main goal of conspiracy disinformation is to obstruct the process of following the money to the top of the food chain.phoenix420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a couple more interesting details:Al Carone was a Knight of Malta, Gambino crime captain, NYC police officer, Army intel officer, and bagman for many ops during Nixon era. He lost faith in his handlers, tried to escape and was "neutralized." Since his family knew many details, the handling of his children and relatives became important. Mike became the handler for Carone's daughter, who sued the US Government. When asked to write an expose of Carone for High Times, Mike left out the part about Carone being a Knight of Malta, which is like writing about GW Bush and leaving out Skull and Bones.Immediately after 9/11, Mike was flown to NYC to meet with prominent NYC members of the Muslim community for the purpose of telling them: "Israel had nothing to do with 9/11."Considering the mover/filmers and the Mossad house down the street from Atta, that comment is pretty ridiculous. And how would anyone be able to prove a negative like that so close to the op anyway?And, of course, Vreeland (along with Webfairy's no planes) was the primary rabbit hole during the early days, and Mike put the lightening rod on that op. Sean was the primary and fanatical instigator against Vreeland from day one, which indicates Sean was likely privy to inside info. Sean was constantly attacking Mike at that time, a controlled dialectic no doubt.Then after having a huge spat with Berlet (which he posted to CIA-Drugs), Sean suddenly turns up "friends" with Mike?And so it goes On Aug 19, 2006, at 11:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: I have met and worked with Mike Ruppert and I have found more questions than answers.Let me mention what I know and let you make up your own mind, When I put on the first CIA-Drugs Symposium, Mike stopped me from including Brian Quigg and Mike Levine there.Mike asked me in particular to try and get as many "aactivists" at the Eugene
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--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have followed Ruppert and his information since the days when he, Dan Hopsicker and Kris Millegan used to make presentations about CIADRUGS. I subscribed to From The Wilderness; I bought his video presentations and other material (something about Col. Al Carone. I used to defend him, because I believed his heart was in the right place. Then I began to see and hear the dark side. Ruppert has a very short fuse and a very large ego. On a Rense interview, he was unaware of an open mike during a commercial break. He holds most people in contempt and considers the people who were calling in with questions to be idiots. Do not forget the history that Ruppert has on this bulletin board. Remember the Genesis crap the Hopsicker exposed? Remember the investment seminars in Cancun? Remember Peak Oil? I remember going back and forth with Dale Alan Pheiffer about Peak Oil on this very Bulletin board. He acted like abiotic oil never existed. Review the history and see how dismissive Ruppert was. Remember Mike's Delmart Vreeland Scoop? Remember Alan Greenspan and the poisoned wine? And don't forget Y2K and Peak Oil. Mike never rebutted Thomas Gold's chemistry of mineral oil. Despite Mike's trip to Russia, he never rebutted the Russian oil theories, which have been proven by producing oil. Y2K, Peak Oil, buy gold on fear, those were real Ruppert, but Coral Baca he inherited from Gary Webb, so what did he really dig up on his own about CIA drugs? He had one personal connection to CIA drugs, but not one that showed him anything like I learned from dozens of independent personal connections to Air America and Luciano and Lansky people. Ruppert and Hopsicker seemed to us to be running neck and neck for a little while, but only if we had no idea that Ruppert inherited Coral Baca from Gary Webb. Then Ruppert ran out of borrowed sources, and his investigative method, cop or journo, paled in comparison of Hopsicker. Hopsicker over the years has dredged up reams of true facts, without embarrassing himself, while Ruppert's method has only dug up Vreeland, Y2K, Peak Oil, buy gold on fear, which is to say he sucks up every sleazy disinfo and then defends to the death of his credibility, but usually profits short-term. When I heard about the break-in, I was reminded of a 1980's DC-area radio personality named Peter Waldron. He confessed to a Catholic leader that as a Christian radio personality invited to travel to lecture around the US, he had fifty affairs a year with women in motels(not what his listeners would expect), after it came out that he had stolen his radio studio sound equipment twice for insurance money. Then I thought, if I was Ruppert, and that's what I did, I would know that it was the end of the trail in the US, and I would take the insurance money to a country where I could live a long time on $100,000 or whatever. Venezuela would not be the country with the lowest living expenses, so if Venezuela, I would wonder if I was witnessing the old lightining rod(government persecution) trick, in other words, Venezuela be sceptical. -Bob I do not know what you're implying. Ruppert wants to look like some kind of heroic character; instead he's just covering his ass. Mind you, there is nothing wrong with covering your ass, but be honest about it. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Duncan M. Roads nexusmagazine@ wrote: Have you ever met Mike, Mark? just curious Duncan On 19/08/2006, at 3:21 AM, mark urban wrote: so! is mike leaving for idealistic reasons or is he scooting before his ass gets nailed? I think stripping to your shorts in front of a female employee and then running around the office is downright creepy, which, for myself, is exactly what Mike Ruppert is. Im sure he will burn as much 12 cents a gallon venezuelan gas as he can pump into his car.--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis nerdmann@ wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. funny but nowhere in the article does he mention that he is accused of sexually harrassing one of his female employees. Is there an extradition treaty with venezuela? http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml The burglary followed on the heels of my humiliation of the perpetrator of a feeble and stupidly executed sexual blackmail plot that began when a newly-hired staff writer (with a clean record and a Master's degree in English) began a torrid (and not very discrete) sexual affair with my long-term IT manager. The IT manager was, at the time, involved in a committed relationship with a woman in Los Angeles. The same female employee also made simultaneous direct sexual advances to my Operations Manager who is married.
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Immediately after 9/11, Mike was flown to NYC to meet with prominent NYC members of the Muslim community for the purpose of telling them: Israel had nothing to do with 9/11. Considering the mover/filmers and the Mossad house down the street from Atta, that comment is pretty ridiculous. And how would anyone be able to prove a negative like that so close to the op anyway? And, of course, Vreeland (along with Webfairy's no planes) was the primary rabbit hole during the early day - It was USAF propaganda officer Lt Col Art Holbo's Pentagon no-planes theory spoken on TV minutes after Pentagon plane hit and corroborated same sourced Pentagon sec cam vid forgery, although the Ibid Ferry did truck us the NY Wiolawa no-planes follies. Vreeland blame-diverted 911 to Iraq-Russia, and that must have been what Ruppert told his NYC muslim audience, that Israel could not have been involved because Iraq and Russia did 911. I always said, start by showing me Vreeland's bottom line proof that he even said pre-911 that Russia and Iraq did 911. Ruppert and Vreeland never cited page and paragraph from the Vreeland Canadian court transcript, so I always insisted we must dis-regard Vreeland. Now, we know that Ruppert only told a little truth because he inherited Coral Baca from Gary Webb, and that everything he's done since being wrong about Y2K has been lies(Y2K, Vreeland 911 blame diversion to Iraq-Russia, Pentagon no-planer position expressed in his Crossing the Rubicon book, Peak Oil, urging 911 investigators and parents to give up, promoting 911 truth suppression op's cash raising arm with Fitts whether knowingly or not what a coincidence, and buy gold). Now after all that, if Ruppert says squat, doubt it first and insist on proof, facts, evidence. His track record is nada from Y2K on. His positions are all right wing, not left, so he's likely playing the leftwing lightning rod on the burglary as intro to Venezuela where as in Russia he won't really turn out to be a friend. So far, he's blamed Russia for 911 and ignored Russian deep drilling into basement rock, always denying that basement rock mineral non-fossil fuel is being produced anywhere in the world today. Ruppert's denial of Russian mineral oil debunking Peak Oil fossil fuel is another rightwing warmonger oilco line, where's his ballyhooed leftwing position on ANYTHING? --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, phoenix420 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a couple more interesting details: Al Carone was a Knight of Malta, Gambino crime captain, NYC police officer, Army intel officer, and bagman for many ops during Nixon era. He lost faith in his handlers, tried to escape and was neutralized. Since his family knew many details, the handling of his children and relatives became important. Mike became the handler for Carone's daughter, who sued the US Government. When asked to write an expose of Carone for High Times, Mike left out the part about Carone being a Knight of Malta, which is like writing about GW Bush and leaving out Skull and Bones. Immediately after 9/11, Mike was flown to NYC to meet with prominent NYC members of the Muslim community for the purpose of telling them: Israel had nothing to do with 9/11. Considering the mover/filmers and the Mossad house down the street from Atta, that comment is pretty ridiculous. And how would anyone be able to prove a negative like that so close to the op anyway? And, of course, Vreeland (along with Webfairy's no planes) was the primary rabbit hole during the early days, and Mike put the lightening rod on that op. Sean was the primary and fanatical instigator against Vreeland from day one, which indicates Sean was likely privy to inside info. Sean was constantly attacking Mike at that time, a controlled dialectic no doubt. Then after having a huge spat with Berlet (which he posted to CIA- Drugs), Sean suddenly turns up friends with Mike? And so it goes On Aug 19, 2006, at 11:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have met and worked with Mike Ruppert and I have found more questions than answers. Let me mention what I know and let you make up your own mind, When I put on the first CIA-Drugs Symposium, Mike stopped me from including Brian Quigg and Mike Levine there. Mike asked me in particular to try and get as many aactivists at the Eugene Event. The second event in LA, in Mike's backyard had less folks in attendence than Eugene, Mike had promised to use his LA contacts to get folks there. Didn't happen. Lost money big time; stopped the symposiums. Mike kept wanting me to drop the name CIA-Drugs. Mike put himself into positions of leadership and then, IMHO, stuffed both CIA-Drugs and 9.11 and then lead folks down a rabbit hole of Peak Oil. I saw his 9.11 elephant's ass presentation and it was disgusting, He was using fear and many propagandic tricks to scare the crap out his audience, telling them to give-up, take care of themselves, buy
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As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know ...that it's crap, because it's all citations from publicly known Ruppert history, from his own mouth and writings. But you kill the messenger, ignore specifics. Unsurprisingly you add that you are wrong on many other topics as well, failing to cite specifics on any of those knee-jerk subliminally cloned positions. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, tents444 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban mcurb@ wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. That is a great article. Here is the URL: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm I agree with nearly all of it. As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know about that stuff, since I don't know Mike Ruppert personally. I hope his website stays up: http://www.fromthewilderness.com It has a lot of good info. I agree with the peak oil theory. It is already happening. And abiotic oil is too deep and too inaccessible right now to make much difference. Even when some abiotic oil bubbles up to become accessible it is not doing so in a great enough way to offset the huge demand for oil. So the peak oil theory still holds true. Peak Oil is nothing more than the truth of supply and demand setting prices. And abiotic oil deep in the earth costs too much to bring up right now. I disagree that the USA facilitated 9-11. But that is only an opinion. I think it is more likely that the hijackers picked the day of the simulated hijackings to pull off the real thing. Brilliant on their part. This caused the delay of intercepting aircraft since they thought there was a simulated hijacking going on. Same as the terrorist attacks in London. The bombers picked the day of a simulated terrorist attack scenario that the authorities were doing that day. So the USA and Britain facilitated the terrorist attacks due to their stupidity. We can all agree on their stupidity can't we? :) My favorite paragraph from Mike Ruppert's article: QUOTE: My permanent exodus from the US was actually ordained thirty years -- to the month -- before I left for good on July 18th, 2006. It was thirty years ago that my then-fiance, a career contract agent for the CIA, disclosed to me that her people were interested in giving a major boost to my career with LAPD if I would become involved with her anti-terror operations that involved overlooking (i.e. protecting) large drug shipments coming in while facilitating the movement of large quantities of firearms going out. I refused to compromise my ethics as a police officer and -- as I wrote on page 6 of Crossing the Rubicon - that has determined the course of my life ever since. UNQUOTE. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hopsicker over the years has dredged up reams of true facts, without embarrassing himself, while Ruppert's method has only dug up Vreeland, Y2K, Peak Oil, buy gold on fear, which is to say he sucks up every sleazy disinfo and then defends to the death of his credibility, but usually profits short-term. VMANN: well, in fairness, i was one of the people urging him to track down vreeland, since he was going to be in toronto anyway. vigilius haufniensis Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Bob, I never paid much attention to the vreeland stuff. I ignore most conspiracy theory stuff because I know it would take all my time to thoroughly investigate it and come to a reasonable conclusion. I doubt many people have spent enough time either. So most of us take it all with a grain of salt. So when you list this and that concerning a multitude of issues and try to string them together into some conclusion, then I pretty much ignore it. Because investigating just one part of your theories would take a very long time. So because of the multitude of facts you string together, for that alone I don't believe you are an expert, or that your conclusions are necessarily true. You are just one more person with an opinion. But you didn't address my point about abiotic oil and that Peak Oil theory still remains true even with the existence of abiotic (not from biological sources) oil. As far as I know no one has found a way to pull up enough deep abiotic oil at a reasonable price to make a real dent in the huge demand for oil. So Peak Oil pricing is happening now. It just costs too much to pull up oil from deep levels. And it isn't refilling oil reservoirs fast enough to make a real dent in the huge demand for oil. And everyone needs to read part 2 of Mike Ruppert's article from Venezuela describing the incredible harassment he has endured: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/message/36033 The full Mike Ruppert article from Venezuela is here: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml The Rense.com page has only the first part of the article: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm eco --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, muckblit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know ...that it's crap, because it's all citations from publicly known Ruppert history, from his own mouth and writings. But you kill the messenger, ignore specifics. Unsurprisingly you add that you are wrong on many other topics as well, failing to cite specifics on any of those knee-jerk subliminally cloned positions. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, tents444 tents444@ wrote: --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban mcurb@ wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. That is a great article. Here is the URL: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm I agree with nearly all of it. As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know about that stuff, since I don't know Mike Ruppert personally. I hope his website stays up: http://www.fromthewilderness.com It has a lot of good info. I agree with the peak oil theory. It is already happening. And abiotic oil is too deep and too inaccessible right now to make much difference. Even when some abiotic oil bubbles up to become accessible it is not doing so in a great enough way to offset the huge demand for oil. So the peak oil theory still holds true. Peak Oil is nothing more than the truth of supply and demand setting prices. And abiotic oil deep in the earth costs too much to bring up right now. I disagree that the USA facilitated 9-11. But that is only an opinion. I think it is more likely that the hijackers picked the day of the simulated hijackings to pull off the real thing. Brilliant on their part. This caused the delay of intercepting aircraft since they thought there was a simulated hijacking going on. Same as the terrorist attacks in London. The bombers picked the day of a simulated terrorist attack scenario that the authorities were doing that day. So the USA and Britain facilitated the terrorist attacks due to their stupidity. We can all agree on their stupidity can't we? :) My favorite paragraph from Mike Ruppert's article: QUOTE: My permanent exodus from the US was actually ordained thirty years -- to the month -- before I left for good on July 18th, 2006. It was thirty years ago that my then-fiance, a career contract agent for the CIA, disclosed to me that her people were interested in giving a major boost to my career with LAPD if I would become involved with her anti-terror operations that involved overlooking (i.e. protecting) large drug shipments coming in while facilitating the movement of large quantities of firearms going out. I refused to compromise my ethics as a police officer and -- as I wrote on page 6 of Crossing the Rubicon - that has determined the course of my life ever since. UNQUOTE. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
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--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mark urban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. That is a great article. Here is the URL: http://www.rense.com/general73/ces.htm I agree with nearly all of it. As for all the personal infighting crap in the replies here, I wouldn't know about that stuff, since I don't know Mike Ruppert personally. I hope his website stays up: http://www.fromthewilderness.com It has a lot of good info. I agree with the peak oil theory. It is already happening. And abiotic oil is too deep and too inaccessible right now to make much difference. Even when some abiotic oil bubbles up to become accessible it is not doing so in a great enough way to offset the huge demand for oil. So the peak oil theory still holds true. Peak Oil is nothing more than the truth of supply and demand setting prices. And abiotic oil deep in the earth costs too much to bring up right now. I disagree that the USA facilitated 9-11. But that is only an opinion. I think it is more likely that the hijackers picked the day of the simulated hijackings to pull off the real thing. Brilliant on their part. This caused the delay of intercepting aircraft since they thought there was a simulated hijacking going on. Same as the terrorist attacks in London. The bombers picked the day of a simulated terrorist attack scenario that the authorities were doing that day. So the USA and Britain facilitated the terrorist attacks due to their stupidity. We can all agree on their stupidity can't we? :) My favorite paragraph from Mike Ruppert's article: QUOTE: My permanent exodus from the US was actually ordained thirty years -- to the month -- before I left for good on July 18th, 2006. It was thirty years ago that my then-fiance, a career contract agent for the CIA, disclosed to me that her people were interested in giving a major boost to my career with LAPD if I would become involved with her anti-terror operations that involved overlooking (i.e. protecting) large drug shipments coming in while facilitating the movement of large quantities of firearms going out. I refused to compromise my ethics as a police officer and -- as I wrote on page 6 of Crossing the Rubicon - that has determined the course of my life ever since. UNQUOTE. Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I have met and worked with Mike Ruppert and I have found more questions than answers. Let me mention what I know and let you make up your own mind, When I put on the first CIA-Drugs Symposium, Mike stopped me from including Brian Quigg and Mike Levine there. Mike asked me in particular to try and get as many "aactivists" at the Eugene Event. The second event in LA, in Mike's backyard had less folks in attendence than Eugene, Mike had promised to use his LA contacts to get folks there. Didn't happen. Lost money big time; stopped the symposiums. Mike kept wanting me to drop the name "CIA-Drugs." Mike put himself into positions of leadership and then, IMHO, stuffed both CIA-Drugs and 9.11 and then lead folks down a rabbit hole of "Peak Oil." I saw his 9.11 elephant's ass presentation and it was disgusting, He was using fear and many propagandic tricks to scare the crap out his audience, telling them to give-up, take care of themselves, buy gold and bury it in the ground. INSTEAD of standing-up to the corruption. MHO. Mike is interesting. Was there more to his Russian trips than simply speaking? Peace, Kris PS I be busy next couple of days. Check in when I can. In a message dated 8/18/06 10:48:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeez man, I only asked if you ever met the guy, not a list of things you hang him on, and there was no implication intended. I was just going to ask if you had personal experiences from meeting or working with him. I've met and worked with him, and value the opinion of others who have done so. I guess it will always be just black or white to some people ... Duncan On 19/08/2006, at 2:57 PM, mark urban wrote: I have followed Ruppert and his information since the days when he, Dan Hopsicker and Kris Millegan used to make presentations about CIADRUGS. I subscribed to From The Wilderness; I bought his video presentations and other material (something about Col. Al Carone. I used to defend him, because I believed his heart was in the right place. Then I began to see and hear the dark side. Ruppert has a very short fuse and a very large ego. On a Rense interview, he was unaware of an open mike during a commercial break. He holds most people in contempt and considers the people who were calling in with questions to be idiots. Do not forget the history that Ruppert has on this bulletin board. Remember the Genesis crap the Hopsicker exposed? Remember the investment seminars in Cancun? Remember Peak Oil? I remember going back and forth with Dale Alan Pheiffer about Peak Oil on this very Bulletin board. He acted like abiotic oil never existed. Review the history and see how dismissive Ruppert was. Remember Mike's Delmart Vreeland Scoop? Remember Alan Greenspan and the poisoned wine? I do not know what you're implying. Ruppert wants to look like some kind of heroic character; instead he's just covering his ass. Mind you, there is nothing wrong with covering your ass, but be honest about it. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan M. Roads" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you ever met Mike, Mark? just curious Duncan On 19/08/2006, at 3:21 AM, mark urban wrote: so! is mike leaving for idealistic reasons or is he scooting before his ass gets nailed? I think stripping to your shorts in front of a female employee and then running around the office is downright creepy, which, for myself, is exactly what Mike Ruppert is. Im sure he will burn as much 12 cents a gallon venezuelan gas as he can pump into his car.--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis" nerdmann@ wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. funny but nowhere in the article does he mention that he is accused of sexually harrassing one of his female employees. Is there an extradition treaty with venezuela? http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml The burglary followed on the heels of my humiliation of the perpetrator of a feeble and stupidly executed sexual blackmail plot that began when a newly-hired staff writer (with a clean record and a Master's degree in English) began a torrid (and not very discrete) sexual affair with my long-term IT manager. The IT manager was, at the time, involved in a committed relationship with a woman in Los Angeles. The same female employee also made simultaneous direct sexual advances to my Operations Manager who is married. These included her showing naked photographs of herself to both men in our offices, something which they kept from me until later. Eventually the sexual intrigue resulted in an altercation between the three which wound up on my doorstep late on a Sunday night in April. It seems no one involved in the altercation was capable of telling the whole truth. It was also clear that my IT manager - who was known for his appetites - had fallen hopelessly in the grasp of an attractive sexual
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There are a couple more interesting details:Al Carone was a Knight of Malta, Gambino crime captain, NYC police officer, Army intel officer, and bagman for many ops during Nixon era. He lost faith in his handlers, tried to escape and was "neutralized." Since his family knew many details, the handling of his children and relatives became important. Mike became the handler for Carone's daughter, who sued the US Government. When asked to write an expose of Carone for High Times, Mike left out the part about Carone being a Knight of Malta, which is like writing about GW Bush and leaving out Skull and Bones.Immediately after 9/11, Mike was flown to NYC to meet with prominent NYC members of the Muslim community for the purpose of telling them: "Israel had nothing to do with 9/11." Considering the mover/filmers and the Mossad house down the street from Atta, that comment is pretty ridiculous. And how would anyone be able to prove a negative like that so close to the op anyway?And, of course, Vreeland (along with Webfairy's no planes) was the primary rabbit hole during the early days, and Mike put the lightening rod on that op. Sean was the primary and fanatical instigator against Vreeland from day one, which indicates Sean was likely privy to inside info. Sean was constantly attacking Mike at that time, a controlled dialectic no doubt.Then after having a huge spat with Berlet (which he posted to CIA-Drugs), Sean suddenly turns up "friends" with Mike?And so it goesOn Aug 19, 2006, at 11:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I have met and worked with Mike Ruppert and I have found more questions than answers. Let me mention what I know and let you make up your own mind, When I put on the first CIA-Drugs Symposium, Mike stopped me from including Brian Quigg and Mike Levine there. Mike asked me in particular to try and get as many "aactivists" at the Eugene Event. The second event in LA, in Mike's backyard had less folks in attendence than Eugene, Mike had promised to use his LA contacts to get folks there. Didn't happen. Lost money big time; stopped the symposiums. Mike kept wanting me to drop the name "CIA-Drugs." Mike put himself into positions of leadership and then, IMHO, stuffed both CIA-Drugs and 9.11 and then lead folks down a rabbit hole of "Peak Oil." I saw his 9.11 elephant's ass presentation and it was disgusting, He was using fear and many propagandic tricks to scare the crap out his audience, telling them to give-up, take care of themselves, buy gold and bury it in the ground. INSTEAD of standing-up to the corruption. MHO. Mike is interesting. Was there more to his Russian trips than simply speaking? Peace, Kris PS I be busy next couple of days. Check in when I can. __._,_.___ Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "cia-drugs" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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Al Carone was a Knight of Malta, Gambino crime captain, NYC police officer, Army intel officer, and bagman for many ops during Nixon era. He lost faith in his handlers, tried to escape and was "neutralized." Since his family knew many details, the handling of his children and relatives became important. Mike became the handler for Carone's daughter, who sued the US Government. When asked to write an expose of Carone for High Times, Mike left out the part about Carone being a Knight of Malta, which is like writing about GW Bush and leaving out Skull and Bones. VMANN: mike was a handler for carones daughter? vigilius haufniensis __._,_.___ Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "cia-drugs" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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so! is mike leaving for idealistic reasons or is he scooting before his ass gets nailed? I think stripping to your shorts in front of a female employee and then running around the office is downright creepy, which, for myself, is exactly what Mike Ruppert is. Im sure he will burn as much 12 cents a gallon venezuelan gas as he can pump into his car.--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. funny but nowhere in the article does he mention that he is accused of sexually harrassing one of his female employees. Is there an extradition treaty with venezuela? http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml The burglary followed on the heels of my humiliation of the perpetrator of a feeble and stupidly executed sexual blackmail plot that began when a newly-hired staff writer (with a clean record and a Master's degree in English) began a torrid (and not very discrete) sexual affair with my long-term IT manager. The IT manager was, at the time, involved in a committed relationship with a woman in Los Angeles. The same female employee also made simultaneous direct sexual advances to my Operations Manager who is married. These included her showing naked photographs of herself to both men in our offices, something which they kept from me until later. Eventually the sexual intrigue resulted in an altercation between the three which wound up on my doorstep late on a Sunday night in April. It seems no one involved in the altercation was capable of telling the whole truth. It was also clear that my IT manager - who was known for his appetites - had fallen hopelessly in the grasp of an attractive sexual smorgasbord that was fulfilling his every wish. This is what he said to people in phone conversations who later told me about them. He reportedly described her as a sexual demon. He lied to his girlfriend. He lied to me when he told me that he had ended the relationship. Then he lied to his friend, the Operations Manager, about it. I could no longer trust him, and this was of enormous concern to me. After all of the previous attempts to sink FTW over the years I was well-prepared when the same woman started making advances to me. How dumb did they think I was? I concealed a tape recorder in my office as she directed me, after regular office hours, to pornographic web sites and continually tried to tempt me with scanty outfits, G-strings and hints of sexual delights including descriptions of her private parts. She was doing all this at a time when she made 103 cell phone calls in one month to my IT Manager on a cell phone that FTW was paying for. I got the bills. Most of the calls were made during business hours. The second month's bill was just as bad when it arrived after she had been fired. My IT Manager had been my most trusted employee and a close friend. I may never be able to forgive his betrayal even if the Siren's song had overwhelmed him. In previous years FTW computers had been sabotaged, our web site had been hacked, and several attempts had been made to financially sabotage our operations. Being fully aware that he was likely revealing our most sensitive proprietary information, including account access codes, I had but two choices. I could fire the young woman. But if I did so she would be angry outside the company and still have the IT Manager as helpless as Ulysses' crew in her vindictive grasp. Or, I could keep her close, play along with her games, prepare myself against the blackmail I knew would come, and try to find out what kind of damage she was intent on doing and head it off. When she could not compromise me sexually, she turned the IT Manager against me, and he gave sudden notice. That was damaging enough. His last day of work was to be June 1st. I decided immediately that that would be her last day of work too, and so it was. As June 1 approached I baited her with actions I knew would force her to show her hand. She did on May 29th and that's when I let it be known how I had protected myself. She immediately went - no doubt with the guidance of our IT Manager - to a ridiculous pseudo-journalist who has been hounding FTW and other 9-11 activists for years. In a previous sabotage attempt in 2005 this same pseudo-journalist had been directly connected to the FBI by a tape recording. Her allegations of sexual harassment against me fell flat on their faces, and she was publicly humiliated. She had also been showing highly erratic emotional behavior consistent with drug use in her last two weeks of work. On the day she was terminated she and the IT manager frantically rushed to erase large quantities of data from her office computer. This was witnessed by the
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is mike leaving for idealistic reasons or is he scooting before his ass gets nailed? VMANN: its my understanding from the article that he is scooting before his ass gets nailed. he said outright he has decided not to be a martyr. dunno if it's really safer in venezuela, though. vigilius haufniensis Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ Please let us stay on topic and be civil. OM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I have followed Ruppert and his information since the days when he, Dan Hopsicker and Kris Millegan used to make presentations about CIADRUGS. I subscribed to From The Wilderness; I bought his video presentations and other material (something about Col. Al Carone. I used to defend him, because I believed his heart was in the right place. Then I began to see and hear the dark side. Ruppert has a very short fuse and a very large ego. On a Rense interview, he was unaware of an open mike during a commercial break. He holds most people in contempt and considers the people who were calling in with questions to be idiots. Do not forget the history that Ruppert has on this bulletin board. Remember the Genesis crap the Hopsicker exposed? Remember the investment seminars in Cancun? Remember Peak Oil? I remember going back and forth with Dale Alan Pheiffer about Peak Oil on this very Bulletin board. He acted like abiotic oil never existed. Review the history and see how dismissive Ruppert was. Remember Mike's Delmart Vreeland Scoop? Remember Alan Greenspan and the poisoned wine? I do not know what you're implying. Ruppert wants to look like some kind of heroic character; instead he's just covering his ass. Mind you, there is nothing wrong with covering your ass, but be honest about it. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Duncan M. Roads [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you ever met Mike, Mark? just curious Duncan On 19/08/2006, at 3:21 AM, mark urban wrote: so! is mike leaving for idealistic reasons or is he scooting before his ass gets nailed? I think stripping to your shorts in front of a female employee and then running around the office is downright creepy, which, for myself, is exactly what Mike Ruppert is. Im sure he will burn as much 12 cents a gallon venezuelan gas as he can pump into his car.--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis nerdmann@ wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. funny but nowhere in the article does he mention that he is accused of sexually harrassing one of his female employees. Is there an extradition treaty with venezuela? http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml The burglary followed on the heels of my humiliation of the perpetrator of a feeble and stupidly executed sexual blackmail plot that began when a newly-hired staff writer (with a clean record and a Master's degree in English) began a torrid (and not very discrete) sexual affair with my long-term IT manager. The IT manager was, at the time, involved in a committed relationship with a woman in Los Angeles. The same female employee also made simultaneous direct sexual advances to my Operations Manager who is married. These included her showing naked photographs of herself to both men in our offices, something which they kept from me until later. Eventually the sexual intrigue resulted in an altercation between the three which wound up on my doorstep late on a Sunday night in April. It seems no one involved in the altercation was capable of telling the whole truth. It was also clear that my IT manager - who was known for his appetites - had fallen hopelessly in the grasp of an attractive sexual smorgasbord that was fulfilling his every wish. This is what he said to people in phone conversations who later told me about them. He reportedly described her as a sexual demon. He lied to his girlfriend. He lied to me when he told me that he had ended the relationship. Then he lied to his friend, the Operations Manager, about it. I could no longer trust him, and this was of enormous concern to me. After all of the previous attempts to sink FTW over the years I was well-prepared when the same woman started making advances to me. How dumb did they think I was? I concealed a tape recorder in my office as she directed me, after regular office hours, to pornographic web sites and continually tried to tempt me with scanty outfits, G-strings and hints of sexual delights including descriptions of her private parts. She was doing all this at a time when she made 103 cell phone calls in one month to my IT Manager on a cell phone that FTW was paying for. I got the bills. Most of the calls were made during business hours. The second month's bill was just as bad when it arrived after she had been fired. My IT Manager had been my most trusted employee and a close friend. I may never be able to forgive his betrayal even if the Siren's song had overwhelmed him. In previous years FTW computers had been sabotaged, our web site had been hacked, and several attempts had been made to financially sabotage our operations. Being fully aware that he was likely revealing our most sensitive proprietary information, including account access codes, I had but two choices. I
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Jeez man, I only asked if you ever met the guy, not a list of things you hang him on, and there was no implication intended. I was just going to ask if you had personal experiences from meeting or working with him. I've met and worked with him, and value the opinion of others who have done so. I guess it will always be just black or white to some people ... Duncan On 19/08/2006, at 2:57 PM, mark urban wrote: I have followed Ruppert and his information since the days when he, Dan Hopsicker and Kris Millegan used to make presentations about CIADRUGS. I subscribed to From The Wilderness; I bought his video presentations and other material (something about Col. Al Carone. I used to defend him, because I believed his heart was in the right place. Then I began to see and hear the dark side. Ruppert has a very short fuse and a very large ego. On a Rense interview, he was unaware of an open mike during a commercial break. He holds most people in contempt and considers the people who were calling in with questions to be idiots. Do not forget the history that Ruppert has on this bulletin board. Remember the Genesis crap the Hopsicker exposed? Remember the investment seminars in Cancun? Remember Peak Oil? I remember going back and forth with Dale Alan Pheiffer about Peak Oil on this very Bulletin board. He acted like abiotic oil never existed. Review the history and see how dismissive Ruppert was. Remember Mike's Delmart Vreeland Scoop? Remember Alan Greenspan and the poisoned wine? I do not know what you're implying. Ruppert wants to look like some kind of heroic character; instead he's just covering his ass. Mind you, there is nothing wrong with covering your ass, but be honest about it. --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Duncan M. Roads [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you ever met Mike, Mark? just curious Duncan On 19/08/2006, at 3:21 AM, mark urban wrote: so! is mike leaving for idealistic reasons or is he scooting before his ass gets nailed? I think stripping to your shorts in front of a female employee and then running around the office is downright creepy, which, for myself, is exactly what Mike Ruppert is. Im sure he will burn as much 12 cents a gallon venezuelan gas as he can pump into his car.--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, Vigilius Haufniensis nerdmann@ wrote: Mike wrote a piece that is on the rense.com website about bidding farewell to america. funny but nowhere in the article does he mention that he is accused of sexually harrassing one of his female employees. Is there an extradition treaty with venezuela? http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081606_burning_bridge.shtml The burglary followed on the heels of my humiliation of the perpetrator of a feeble and stupidly executed sexual blackmail plot that began when a newly-hired staff writer (with a clean record and a Master's degree in English) began a torrid (and not very discrete) sexual affair with my long-term IT manager. The IT manager was, at the time, involved in a committed relationship with a woman in Los Angeles. The same female employee also made simultaneous direct sexual advances to my Operations Manager who is married. These included her showing naked photographs of herself to both men in our offices, something which they kept from me until later. Eventually the sexual intrigue resulted in an altercation between the three which wound up on my doorstep late on a Sunday night in April. It seems no one involved in the altercation was capable of telling the whole truth. It was also clear that my IT manager - who was known for his appetites - had fallen hopelessly in the grasp of an attractive sexual smorgasbord that was fulfilling his every wish. This is what he said to people in phone conversations who later told me about them. He reportedly described her as a sexual demon. He lied to his girlfriend. He lied to me when he told me that he had ended the relationship. Then he lied to his friend, the Operations Manager, about it. I could no longer trust him, and this was of enormous concern to me. After all of the previous attempts to sink FTW over the years I was well-prepared when the same woman started making advances to me. How dumb did they think I was? I concealed a tape recorder in my office as she directed me, after regular office hours, to pornographic web sites and continually tried to tempt me with scanty outfits, G-strings and hints of sexual delights including descriptions of her private parts. She was doing all this at a time when she made 103 cell phone calls in one month to my IT Manager on a cell phone that FTW was paying for. I got the bills. Most of the calls were made during business hours. The second month's bill was just as bad when it arrived after she had been fired. My IT Manager had been my most trusted employee and a close friend. I may never be able to forgive his betrayal even if the Siren's
