Re: [c-nsp] NCS IOS-XR rant (was:Re: Internet border router recommendations and experiences)

2023-03-01 Thread Tarko Tikan via cisco-nsp
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Re: [c-nsp] NCS IOS-XR rant (was:Re: Internet border router recommendations and experiences)

2023-03-01 Thread Saku Ytti via cisco-nsp
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 02:41, Phil Bedard via cisco-nsp wrote: > With XR7 the idea was to mimic how things are done with Linux repos by having > a specific RPM repo for the routers and the patches which is managed similar > to Linux and that’s how all software is packaged now. Dep

Re: [c-nsp] NCS IOS-XR rant (was:Re: Internet border router recommendations and experiences)

2023-02-28 Thread Phil Bedard via cisco-nsp
operations, there is no more install apply, etc. Most customers do not want to manage an RPM repo for their routers, so they just use whole images. Thanks, Phil From: cisco-nsp on behalf of Steve Mikulasik via cisco-nsp Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 10:20 AM To: Mark Tinka , cisco-nsp

Re: [c-nsp] NCS IOS-XR rant (was:Re: Internet border router recommendations and experiences)

2023-02-28 Thread Phil Bedard via cisco-nsp
the device reboots. Phil From: cisco-nsp on behalf of Tarko Tikan via cisco-nsp Date: Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 9:45 AM To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: [c-nsp] NCS IOS-XR rant (was:Re: Internet border router recommendations and experiences) hey, > XR for a number of years now has

Re: [c-nsp] NCS IOS-XR rant (was:Re: Internet border router recommendations and experiences)

2023-02-28 Thread Gert Doering via cisco-nsp
Hi, On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:33:47AM -0800, William McCall via cisco-nsp wrote: > My long-term solution to this problem is to install with iPXE. That lets > you do it via HTTP and without all the nonsense :) This sounds like a fairly long downtime to do upgrades... not exactly what

Re: [c-nsp] NCS IOS-XR rant (was:Re: Internet border router recommendations and experiences)

2023-02-28 Thread William McCall via cisco-nsp
On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 6:45 AM Tarko Tikan via cisco-nsp < cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net> wrote: > hey, > > > XR for a number of years now has had the concept of a “golden ISO”. > > It’s a single image either built by Cisco or customers can build > > their own

Re: [c-nsp] NCS IOS-XR rant (was:Re: Internet border router recommendations and experiences)

2023-02-28 Thread Steve Mikulasik via cisco-nsp
. Patch management software should be part of the product, it shouldn't be something I need to pay extra to do in an efficient manner, nor should it be expected you'd build out some scripting solution that accounts for all the annoying oddities a vendors platform should have. Cisco and other

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-26 Thread Gert Doering via cisco-nsp
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Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-26 Thread Phil Bedard via cisco-nsp
2023 at 02:29:13PM +, Phil Bedard wrote: > XR for a number of years now has had the concept of a ?golden ISO?. It?s a > single image either built by Cisco or customers can build their own that > include the base software and the SMUs in a single image. You just issue a > s

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-26 Thread Gert Doering via cisco-nsp
Hi, On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 02:29:13PM +, Phil Bedard wrote: > XR for a number of years now has had the concept of a ?golden ISO?. It?s a > single image either built by Cisco or customers can build their own that > include the base software and the SMUs in a single image. You j

Re: [c-nsp] NCS IOS-XR rant (was:Re: Internet border router recommendations and experiences)

2023-02-26 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/26/23 16:44, Tarko Tikan via cisco-nsp wrote: Well, not so in practice. You can't issue install from http:// or any other remote URL. You have to sit around and issue "install apply" after "install replace" is finished. Replace is async so you have to sit around a

[c-nsp] NCS IOS-XR rant (was:Re: Internet border router recommendations and experiences)

2023-02-26 Thread Tarko Tikan via cisco-nsp
hey, XR for a number of years now has had the concept of a “golden ISO”. It’s a single image either built by Cisco or customers can build their own that include the base software and the SMUs in a single image. You just issue a single “install replace myiso.iso” and that’s it. Well, not so

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-26 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
the concept of a “golden ISO”.  It’s a single image either built by Cisco or customers can build their own that include the base software and the SMUs in a single image.  You just issue a single “install replace myiso.iso” and that’s it. I did not know that. But then again, we haven't used IOS XR

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-26 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
than the other two, in that role. Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-26 Thread Phil Bedard via cisco-nsp
image either built by Cisco or customers can build their own that include the base software and the SMUs in a single image. You just issue a single “install replace myiso.iso” and that’s it. Thanks, Phil From: cisco-nsp on behalf of Gert Doering via cisco-nsp Date: Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-26 Thread Phil Bedard via cisco-nsp
a bit curious if there was something specific in the config or other operations that was a show stopper issue? Thanks, Phil From: Mark Tinka Date: Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:58 PM To: Phil Bedard , Brian Turnbow , Gert Doering Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Internet

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-24 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/24/23 19:51, Lukas Tribus via cisco-nsp wrote: Hello, for the unititiated, how does the licensing on a mx204 look like for different or combined use-cases like pure IP edge, mpls layer3 and layer2 VPNs, BNG functionality? IIRC, BNG deployments support up to 1,000 concurrent

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-24 Thread Lukas Tribus via cisco-nsp
Hello, for the unititiated, how does the licensing on a mx204 look like for different or combined use-cases like pure IP edge, mpls layer3 and layer2 VPNs, BNG functionality? Thanks, Lukas ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-24 Thread Aaron Gould via cisco-nsp
https://apps.juniper.net/home/port-checker/index.html nice website to check port mix capabilities. -Aaron On 2/22/2023 5:06 PM, Thomas Scott via cisco-nsp wrote: Yes - 400 Gbps throughput total If I recall correctly. The MX204 has four rate-selectable ports that can be configured as 100

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-24 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
scenarios like the Metro. Copy, save, reboot, is very attractive. This is why we rejected the NCS540. Not sure XR64 is better in that regard, no experience - we lost trust in Cisco before the question of "successor to the 9001? something with XR64?" arose. We stopped keeping track

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-24 Thread Gert Doering via cisco-nsp
Hi, On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 05:00:52AM +0200, Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp wrote: > For IOS XR, it's just too heavy for that sort of thing. Okay in the data > centre where we are aggregating a ton of customers and/or Metro-E rings, > but not out in the Metro. The Metro calls for a more

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp
On 23/02/2023 19:32, Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp wrote: Cisco have lost the plot, IMHO. Every solution at every level of the network is now a bulldozer searching for a tiny nail to hammer. Mark. So well said. -Hank ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/23/23 21:45, Shawn L via cisco-nsp wrote: That's one of the major reasons we're sticking with the ASR920 in metro deployments for all it's faults. They do silly license stuff on the 12SZ (no bulk, make all the 10G ports work license) but once you figure out their quirks they do work

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
. Not so much the memory footprint of the OS, but really, it's rather verbose architecture for high-touch areas like the Metro, for which the NCS540 was to replace the ASR920. Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Shawn L via cisco-nsp
months ago). It seems nice but again, licensing. Want to put more than 120G worth of optics, add a license. And reboot. Really, reboot? That just seems silly in this day and age. On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 12:32 PM Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp < cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net> wrote: > > > O

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Phil Bedard via cisco-nsp
of bandwidth. XRd runs in a container with very little memory, it doesn’t always have to be “fat”. In fact some of the smaller 540 systems have very little RP memory. Thanks, Phil From: cisco-nsp on behalf of Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp Date: Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:32 PM To: Brian

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
the ASR920 with the NCS540. Cisco have lost the plot, IMHO. Every solution at every level of the network is now a bulldozer searching for a tiny nail to hammer. Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailma

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Brian Turnbow via cisco-nsp
Hi > > So if Cisco price themselves out of the market with their flagship Ethernet > box > - the ASR9000 - that just makes it easier for customers to consider Juniper, > Arista, Nokia, e.t.c. They also seem to want to follow the same route in metro with the NCS540s and this g

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
server and are realistic about your traffic-handling capabilities. All announced Juniper MX series, Cisco ASR1k or IOS XR 9k series are very expensive for the initial request. Not to mention about price on licensing, spare parts and RMA contracts from the vendor. I'd throw Nokia and Arista

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
world, one would be hard-pressed to find TDM/PDH/SDH/SONET in any meaningful degree of presence. So if Cisco price themselves out of the market with their flagship Ethernet box - the ASR9000 - that just makes it easier for customers to consider Juniper, Arista, Nokia, e.t

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-23 Thread Gert Doering via cisco-nsp
Hi, On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 09:40:26AM +0200, Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp wrote: > The issue they face is Ethernet-centric platforms are much more > optimized for today's Internet, and platforms like the ASR1000 simply > don't make sense anymore. Why pay all that to get some

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Xavier Beaudouin via cisco-nsp
Hello, > Which is why we just focus on Juniper and Arista right now. Cisco are > still living in the pre-Covid era. Those good ol' days are gone, and > unless you have the clout to command proper discounts from Cisco, you > are losing out on better efficiencies with other vendors. +

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/23/23 08:22, Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp wrote: For an ASR9906 to add 4x port 100G here is the GPL pricing: Part Number    Description    Unit List Price A99-4HG-FLEX-TR=    ASR 9900 400GE Packet Transport Combo Line Card - 5th Gen    271,493.78 CON-SNT-A994HGFT    SNTC-8X5XNBD ASR

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/23/23 08:15, Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp wrote: A fully licensed asr1001-hx (all 8 10G ports operational) w/ 5 years Cisco Smartnet support - GPL is around $220K.  Add your discount here.  Cheap is relative. The ASR1000 platforms are pretty sexy, but Cisco have out-priced

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp
On 23/02/2023 0:19, Eric Louie via cisco-nsp wrote: Oh geez, I just realized I left a zero off the interface - we need 100G interfaces both upstream (x1) and downstream (x2) That probably changes the product choices a little bit. Anyone with 100G Internet feeds want to let me know what you're

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp
On 22/02/2023 20:25, zzif via cisco-nsp wrote: 22.2.2023, 5:31, Eric Louie via cisco-nsp wrote: For a 10G (or maybe 2x10G) Cisco ASR1001-HX is adequate, rock solid and relatively cheap. If you have more budget, need 100G etc. there are a lot of other options too. Br, EA A fully licensed

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/23/23 01:06, Thomas Scott wrote: Yes - 400 Gbps throughput total If I recall correctly. That's right - it's basically an MPC7E line card with a-third of the capacity, i.e., 1x 3rd generation Trio chip (Eagle). Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
to handle all of this if you peer or pick up transit in 2 or more locations. Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Thomas Scott via cisco-nsp
ott On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 5:19 PM Eric Louie via cisco-nsp < cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net> wrote: > Oh geez, I just realized I left a zero off the interface - we need 100G > interfaces both upstream (x1) and downstream (x2) > That probably changes the product choices a little bit.

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Eric Louie via cisco-nsp
. We tried an NCS-5501 and it was a disaster, in a word.  The 10G interface, uRPF, source-based blackholing, and routing table depth with Cisco is a limiting factor in their product line. Broadcom-based systems should always be looked at with one eye open, i.e., test test test before you

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
. We tried an NCS-5501 and it was a disaster, in a word.  The 10G interface, uRPF, source-based blackholing, and routing table depth with Cisco is a limiting factor in their product line. Broadcom-based systems should always be looked at with one eye open, i.e., test test test before you commit

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread zzif via cisco-nsp
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:25:37 AM PST, zzif via cisco-nsp wrote: 22.2.2023, 5:31, Eric Louie via cisco-nsp wrote: For a 10G (or maybe 2x10G) Cisco ASR1001-HX is adequate, rock solid and relatively cheap. If you have more budget, need 100G etc. there are a lot of other options too. Br

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Nick Hilliard via cisco-nsp
Eric Louie via cisco-nsp wrote on 22/02/2023 18:29: Mark, thanks. We were quoted a MX304 for the Internet edge from Juniper. How has your experience been with it? are you 10G upstream and downstream? Any IPS on the 10G connection? Eric, you're mixing up DFZ routing capability with traffic

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Eric Louie via cisco-nsp
the time to be compassionate today On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:25:37 AM PST, zzif via cisco-nsp wrote: 22.2.2023, 5:31, Eric Louie via cisco-nsp wrote: For a 10G (or maybe 2x10G) Cisco ASR1001-HX is adequate, rock solid and relatively cheap. If you have more budget, need 100G etc

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Gert Doering via cisco-nsp
hi, On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 06:29:00PM +, Eric Louie via cisco-nsp wrote: > We tried an NCS-5501 and it was a disaster, in a word.  The 10G interface, > uRPF, source-based blackholing, and routing table depth with Cisco is a > limiting factor in their product line. Do n

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Eric Louie via cisco-nsp
, and routing table depth with Cisco is a limiting factor in their product line. -e- Eric Louie 619-743-5375 Cell/text Stay in this moment, it's the only one you really have Take the time to be compassionate today On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 08:36:31 AM PST, Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp wrote

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread zzif via cisco-nsp
22.2.2023, 5:31, Eric Louie via cisco-nsp wrote: For a 10G (or maybe 2x10G) Cisco ASR1001-HX is adequate, rock solid and relatively cheap. If you have more budget, need 100G etc. there are a lot of other options too. Br, EA Hi folks Recommendations and your experiences with an Internet

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/22/23 05:31, Eric Louie via cisco-nsp wrote: Hi folks Recommendations and your experiences with an Internet border router for a 10G Internet connection, with DDoS service and unicast reverse path forwarding. Brand and model requested, if you have it, and bad experiences are ok, too

Re: [c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-22 Thread Barry Raveendran Greene via cisco-nsp
What ever the recommendations, require the vendor to deliver test data with all the features working together - under load - with a ACL/FIB values that reflects reality. > On Feb 21, 2023, at 19:31, Eric Louie via cisco-nsp > wrote: > > Hi folks > Recommendations and y

[c-nsp] Internet border router recommendations and experiences

2023-02-21 Thread Eric Louie via cisco-nsp
in this moment, it's the only one you really have Take the time to be compassionate today ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/

Re: [c-nsp] Where have all the skilled people gone?

2023-02-16 Thread Łukasz Bromirski via cisco-nsp
Hi Hank, That indeed looks bad - can you share OS and version? I'll take it to devs. — Łukasz Bromirski > On 16 Feb 2023, at 07:40, Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp > wrote: > >  >> >> These days a lot of experience is getting lost, and the industry hasn’t &g

[c-nsp] Where have all the skilled people gone?

2023-02-15 Thread Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp
These days a lot of experience is getting lost, and the industry hasn’t found a way to transfer that knowledge to new generations. Cheers, Sander It makes me sadder that people in Cisco don't know how to spell "iput", "recieved" or "byetes" and there is no

Re: [c-nsp] Cisco IOS switch SSH connections not working

2023-02-13 Thread Saku Ytti via cisco-nsp
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 at 02:21, Lee Starnes via cisco-nsp wrote: > So attempted to just remove the ACL and try. Still nothing. Lastly, I > enabled telnet and tried to connect via telnet. Still nothing. I really > don't want to restart the switch if there is any other way t

[c-nsp] Cisco IOS switch SSH connections not working

2023-02-13 Thread Lee Starnes via cisco-nsp
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Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-12 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
the basics, and not a replacement of them. Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-12 Thread Sander Steffann via cisco-nsp
Hi Mark, > On 9 Feb 2023, at 05:42, Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp > wrote: > > For those going to Manila for this year's APRICOT meeting, I will be part of > a panel that is discussing this very issue - about the dwindling talent pool > as it pertains to those with the hard skil

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-09 Thread Bjørn Mork via cisco-nsp
Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp writes: > we requested that the case be moved to Amsterdam on Feb 5 Bad choice. They're probably all at Cisco Live this week. Better go there and see if you can find a TAC engineer at the show ;-) https://www.ciscolive.com/emea.html Bj

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
is written on. Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Joe Maimon via cisco-nsp
Effective human capability redundancy does not persist as a stable status inside of any discreet organization. Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp wrote: On 2/8/23 16:45, Aaron wrote: i think the problem is they let the good ones go. That is a trend currently affecting our industry - mostly because

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
, Mario Ruiz via cisco-nsp wrote: Yes miss the old days On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 12:21 PM Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp < cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net> wrote: On 08/02/2023 15:27, Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp wrote: On 2/8/23 10:23, Saku Ytti via cisco-nsp wrote: Working would be muc

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
ard skills anymore. Mark. ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Mario Ruiz via cisco-nsp
Yes miss the old days On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 12:21 PM Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp < cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net> wrote: > On 08/02/2023 15:27, Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp wrote: > > > > > > On 2/8/23 10:23, Saku Ytti via cisco-nsp wrote: > > > >> Work

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp
On 08/02/2023 15:27, Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp wrote: On 2/8/23 10:23, Saku Ytti via cisco-nsp wrote: Working would be much more pleasurable if half the world's white collar workers wouldn't be unemployed plat card holders and cruising without output, while looking down on people doing 3 jobs

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Arie Vayner via cisco-nsp
Another available avenue is to reach out to the TAC duty manager. It's an on-duty role that various managers in the Cisco support org cover. They can take a look at your case and hopefully make a decent decision on how to push the case forward. To reach a duty manager you call the TAC number

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Eli Kagan via cisco-nsp
Hi Hank,I had similar experience with Cisco TAC in the past. I managed to escalate it via my Cisco account rep. That landed the case on the desk of someone who actually knows a thing or two and we were able to at least have an intelligent conversation about the issue.  Realistically though, I

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Aaron via cisco-nsp
i think the problem is they let the good ones go. On Wednesday, February 8, 2023, Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp < cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net> wrote: > > > On 2/8/23 10:23, Saku Ytti via cisco-nsp wrote: > > Working would be much more pleasurable if half the >> world's wh

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/8/23 09:48, Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp wrote: We opened a case on Jan 22 (Case #694936467).  Since then we have exchanged countless email, countless logs and countless command output captures. On Jan 31 we requested transfer to a more senior IOS-XR team. The case was transferred

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 2/8/23 10:23, Saku Ytti via cisco-nsp wrote: Working would be much more pleasurable if half the world's white collar workers wouldn't be unemployed plat card holders and cruising without output, while looking down on people doing 3 jobs and not qualifying for a mortgage. Sadly, as folk

Re: [c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-08 Thread Saku Ytti via cisco-nsp
On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 at 09:48, Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp wrote: > So how does one escalate such an issue within TAC? Is there some secret > email like escalati...@cisco.com or vp-...@cisco.com that one can contact? You call your account team, express your grief and set expectations. Th

[c-nsp] How can one escalate within Cisco TAC?

2023-02-07 Thread Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp
after 9 days we have not heard from anyone inside Cisco TAC.  The case is listed as moderate - we requested that the case be moved to Amsterdam on Feb 5 and as of today no Cisco engineer is assigned to the case, no engineer manager is listed and it would appear that after 9 days in TAC limbo

Re: [c-nsp] IOS-XR and call-home

2023-02-07 Thread Thomas Schmid via cisco-nsp
Hi Hank, Am 31.01.2023 um 10:19 schrieb Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp: For the past week we have exchanged countless emails, logs and command outputs with Cisco TAC in regards to call-home not working on our IOS-XRs. At one point Cisco TAC suggested CSCwd36654 but that didn't help.  All our

[c-nsp] IOS-XR and call-home

2023-01-31 Thread Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp
For the past week we have exchanged countless emails, logs and command outputs with Cisco TAC in regards to call-home not working on our IOS-XRs. At one point Cisco TAC suggested CSCwd36654 but that didn't help.  All our IOS-XEs manage to call-home and register fine. What trick or tip can you

Re: [c-nsp] asr1000 esp80

2023-01-27 Thread Lukas Tribus via cisco-nsp
On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 17:09, Blake Hudson via cisco-nsp wrote: > > Seems to be a thing... > https://bst.cloudapps.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCuq85985 > > > Crash of both active and standby ESP. Applies to ESP80, 100, and 200. It shows up in "show platform power

Re: [c-nsp] asr1000 esp80

2023-01-27 Thread Blake Hudson via cisco-nsp
Seems to be a thing... https://bst.cloudapps.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCuq85985 Crash of both active and standby ESP. Applies to ESP80, 100, and 200. --Blake On 1/26/2023 7:31 AM, Timur via cisco-nsp wrote: anybody heard about cisco asr1000 esp80 module? Listed on official website

[c-nsp] Cisco Software Manager 4.0 (CSM)

2023-01-26 Thread Erik Sundberg via cisco-nsp
I am looking for where to download the install script for Cisco Software Manager\IOS XR Software Manager- 4.0. The prebuilt ova is where the ASR9K software is located on cisco.com, but that only has the VMWare OVA files that is prebuilt on Ubuntu 18.04. Kinda of dont want to use thtat

Re: [c-nsp] 32 x 100G box

2023-01-26 Thread Marcin via cisco-nsp
er J2 1RU router which is the > NCS-57B1-6D-24H , with 24x100G and 6x400G ports. > > > > Thanks, > > Phil > > > > From: cisco-nsp on behalf of Tom Hill via > cisco-nsp > Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:00 PM > To: Marcin > Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.

Re: [c-nsp] 32 x 100G box

2023-01-26 Thread Phil Bedard via cisco-nsp
node based on J2C+ , the NCS-57D2-18DD which can support 66x100G or 18x400G. There is an older J2 1RU router which is the NCS-57B1-6D-24H , with 24x100G and 6x400G ports. Thanks, Phil From: cisco-nsp on behalf of Tom Hill via cisco-nsp Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:00 PM To: Marcin Cc

[c-nsp] asr1000 esp80

2023-01-26 Thread Timur via cisco-nsp
anybody heard about cisco asr1000 esp80 module? Listed on official website are esp 40 and esp 100, nothing between. Have seen several on sale ___ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp

Re: [c-nsp] 32 x 100G box

2023-01-24 Thread Tom Hill via cisco-nsp
On 2023-01-24 14:13, Marcin via cisco-nsp wrote: Hi, Do Cisco have a 32 x 10G (at least more than 16 x 100G) box with a similar scale to ACX87100-32C / Ufispace S9600-32X (basically J2 / J2C chipsets)? It needs to have deeper buffers, >500K MACs + MPLS feature set. I thought that I'd f

[c-nsp] 32 x 100G box

2023-01-24 Thread Marcin via cisco-nsp
Hi, Do Cisco have a 32 x 10G (at least more than 16 x 100G) box with a similar scale to ACX87100-32C / Ufispace S9600-32X (basically J2 / J2C chipsets)? It needs to have deeper buffers, >500K MACs + MPLS feature set. I thought that I'd find something in the NCS series but the number of 100G po

Re: [c-nsp] Best Practices for Transporting Layer-2 Services

2023-01-19 Thread Phil Bedard via cisco-nsp
. If they have switches connected everywhere and end up in a loop, that’s something they need to be aware of and mitigate. Thanks, Phil From: cisco-nsp on behalf of Shawn L via cisco-nsp Date: Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:46 AM To: Cisco Network Service Providers Subject: [c-nsp] Best Practices

Re: [c-nsp] Best Practices for Transporting Layer-2 Services

2023-01-16 Thread Mark Tinka via cisco-nsp
On 1/14/23 04:40, Tom Hill via cisco-nsp wrote: The normal answer in Cisco land, even today, is to use Martini-draft P2P pseudowires (either tag or port-based MPLS interconnects) which will use tLDP for establishment, and should serve you very well (especially at a port-based level

Re: [c-nsp] Best Practices for Transporting Layer-2 Services

2023-01-13 Thread Tom Hill via cisco-nsp
On 2023-01-12 16:45, Shawn L via cisco-nsp wrote: I'm wondering what other providers are doing when they need to transport a bunch of third-party layer-2 services? For Example -- if another SP wants to hand you 3 vlans (for example 10,11,12) and have you transport them to a couple of sites

[c-nsp] Best Practices for Transporting Layer-2 Services

2023-01-12 Thread Shawn L via cisco-nsp
A and B, vlan 11 (again could be Q-in-Q) needs to go to sites C and D, etc. I'm specifically asking (in a cisco world) what do you do to protect yourself from any funny business (spanning tree, whatever) that may happen on the other provider's network or on the end-customer's network. Thanks

Re: [c-nsp] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?

2023-01-12 Thread Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp
I understand that the people that created DNA need to be compensated but Cisco decided to build or acquire a product that not very many people want due to how much better the free tools are. So that seems like an issue for the C-suite at Cisco and not something that you force people to bail

Re: [c-nsp] MTU and PMTUD

2023-01-11 Thread Marcin Kurek via cisco-nsp
I did some benchmarking back in ~2008-2009 (with 12.2.31SB and 12.2SR, who still remembers that?), and we (Cisco) fixed numerous non optimized paths in the routing code. But that was over a decade ago, so I’ll limit bragging about it ;) There are two presentations, quoted from about that time I

Re: [c-nsp] Route scalability guide for 8000 series?

2023-01-11 Thread Lukasz Bromirski via cisco-nsp
Hi Drew, Please take a look here: https://xrdocs.io/8000/blogs/8100-8200-deployment-note/ — ./ > On 11 Jan 2023, at 19:11, Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp > wrote: > > Has anyone seen a routing scalability guide for the 8000 series? > > My guess from reading the 'overview' an

[c-nsp] Route scalability guide for 8000 series?

2023-01-11 Thread Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp
Has anyone seen a routing scalability guide for the 8000 series? My guess from reading the 'overview' and 'datasheet' from Cisco that the 8100 cannot support a full routing table and the 8200 can? But I can't actually find a routing scalability guide for this series on Cisco's website

Re: [c-nsp] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?

2023-01-06 Thread Jared Mauch via cisco-nsp
, but if you have volume and options to go elsewhere it may be possible to determine it. - Jared > On Jan 6, 2023, at 9:15 AM, Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp > wrote: > > Also is there any way to figure out what this stuff should cost? > > The resellers could just be trying to tak

Re: [c-nsp] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?

2023-01-06 Thread Tom Hill via cisco-nsp
On 06/01/2023 14:15, Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp wrote: Also is there any way to figure out what this stuff should cost? It's some variant of Broadcom Trident chipset, right? Trident3-X5? Though remember that the value of hardware packaging around the ASIC is extremely variable. Poor cooling

Re: [c-nsp] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?

2023-01-06 Thread Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp
Also is there any way to figure out what this stuff should cost? The resellers could just be trying to take way too much out of us. I'm not sure and I have no idea how to find out. Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: cisco-nsp On Behalf Of Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp Sent: Friday

Re: [c-nsp] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?

2023-01-06 Thread Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp
If the price of the hardware wasn't already juiced beyond belief then maybe it would make sense but ... yeah I am just going to have to find another vendor. Thanks, -Drew -Original Message- From: Paul Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2023 3:58 PM To: Gert Doering ; Drew Weaver Cc: cisco

Re: [c-nsp] [External] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?

2023-01-04 Thread Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp
Yes, we also have our own libraries and tools that manage the switches. It's sort of funny that Cisco is 15 years late to automation and now they are like "Hey I bet you've never seen this before" Yawn. -Drew -Original Message- From: Hunter Fuller Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [c-nsp] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?

2023-01-04 Thread Gert Doering via cisco-nsp
Hi, On Wed, Jan 04, 2023 at 03:45:51PM +, Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp wrote: > I'm trying to put together an order for some Cisco switches. Cisco licensing shit has made us decide that we're just not going to buy any new Cisco products. Period. Yes, these really look nice, and the b

Re: [c-nsp] [External] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?

2023-01-04 Thread Hunter Fuller via cisco-nsp
On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 9:46 AM Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp wrote: > Off-list is fine. I know nobody wants to be like "AHhhh it's useless" on a > public forum. Speak for yourself! ;) I mean, to be fair, it's not *useless*, we just already built up our own, other tooling, that

[c-nsp] DNA -- How do I justify the expense to mgmt when we'll never use it?

2023-01-04 Thread Drew Weaver via cisco-nsp
Hello, I'm trying to put together an order for some Cisco switches. We finally settled on this one: C9300X-48TX-A and the pricing is mostly fine but then there is this line item: C9300-DNA-A-48-3Y We don't want that or at a minimum we don't want to pay for it, but the reseller (and I guess

Re: [c-nsp] call-home and IOS XR

2023-01-02 Thread Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp
On 02/01/2023 22:58, Nitzan Tzelniker wrote: One of my NOC staff solved it by: Creating a new Token in Cisco Software Central and then: route1#license smart deregister route1#license smart register idtoken token_string Regards, Hank Hank, I have just fight with it last week on NCS540

Re: [c-nsp] call-home and IOS XR

2023-01-02 Thread Nitzan Tzelniker via cisco-nsp
-interface ipv4 Loopback0 http client source-interface ipv4 Loopback0 call-home service active contact-email-addr your-cisco-acco...@cisco.com source-interface Loopback0 profile CiscoTAC-1 active destination address http https://tools.cisco.com/its/service/oddce/services/DDCEService destination

[c-nsp] call-home and IOS XR

2023-01-02 Thread Hank Nussbacher via cisco-nsp
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Re: [c-nsp] Large prefix lists/sets on IOS-XR

2022-12-10 Thread Phil Bedard via cisco-nsp
Hi, Not much different than Junos. Everything in the XR config can be configured using Netconf using either native models or OpenConfig. You can check out https://github.com/YangModels/yang/tree/main/vendor/cisco/xr for supported models by version. Any other questions just let me know

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