It would be nice if the compiler handled these things with greater
cleverness. In the mean time, some macros might be in order.
I'd also like to add that clojure.core is not generally an exemplar of style. :)
-Per
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Sean Devlin wrote:
> It's a (drastic) performan
You probably can't. I think hints only go in binding declarations. I'd
use 'env', as you're probably doing already. But let's keep an eye on
Mark's patch, as it'd be much better to avoid an explicit upcasting.
On Mar 23, 7:38 pm, Konstantin Barskiy wrote:
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Is there way to do th
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Michael Richter wrote:
>
> Weird. I'm showing 1.0 for those.
> mich...@isolde:~$ aptitude search clojure
> p clojure - a Lisp
> dialect for the JVM
> mich...@isolde:~$ aptitude show clojure
> Package: clojure
> N
Nope, though thinking further on it, I'm really not a fan of people
having to know java's class name encoding scheme for arrays.
Personally, I'd prefer writing (array-class String), or have some
clojure-specific syntax to denote an array of a class (though some
would say clojure has enough syntax a
On 25 March 2010 09:20, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Michael Richter
> wrote:
> > On 25 March 2010 00:05, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Michael Richter
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I don't know the process, b
Hello,
> (defn count-words [words]
> "Counts the occurrences of all words in the given string. Returns a
> map with the words as keys, their frequency as values"
> (loop [my-words (re-seq #"[a-zA-ZöäüÖÄÜß]+" words) word-map {}]
> (if (empty? my-words)
> word-map
> (recur (rest
Nice research - so is it then the reader that doesn't allow us to escape the
"[B" such that we can write it such that it can be interpreted as a symbol [B ?
-Frank.
On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:27 PM, ataggart wrote:
> Ok, after looking into how clojure resolves class literal symbols, it
> turns out
That almost worked I just had to add one more piece
(into-array #^LocalServiceTestConf [helper-conf#])
So that clojure made the array the right type. Thanks for the help!!
On Mar 24, 1:40 pm, Jeremy Wall wrote:
> I could whip up something small using an interface and and two classes
> that woul
Looks fine. The maps are immutable, but the 'word-map symbol is
rebound on each loop to the map returned from merge-with.
On Mar 24, 2:15 pm, jfr wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've just started to play a little bit with clojure to get a feel for
> the language. It seems to be quite interesting (and it's a
Ok, after looking into how clojure resolves class literal symbols, it
turns out it is already smart enough to recognize symbol names that
start with "["; the problem is it's a pain to type such symbols into
code.
Your code can work this way:
user=> (defmethod mm (resolve (symbol "[B")) [b] (printl
Hello,
I've just started to play a little bit with clojure to get a feel for
the language. It seems to be quite interesting (and it's a relief to
leave my clumsy IDE behind and use Emacs). Concerning immutable data:
Is the following code ok or should (must) I use transients as
variables for the lo
The java version would look like:
Class c = byte[].class;
But since the clojure way to obtain a class is simply to use its name
literal, e.g.:
user=> (type String)
java.lang.Class
the only way to get the class of an array would involve either a
function call or a change to the reader. And java do
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Michael Richter wrote:
> On 25 March 2010 00:05, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Michael Richter
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't know the process, but I'm willing to endure the tedium of
>> > packaging
>> > clojure for Ubuntu
On 25 March 2010 00:05, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Michael Richter
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know the process, but I'm willing to endure the tedium of
> packaging
> > clojure for Ubuntu (and by extension Debian) if this is the kind of thing
> > that can b
I tried following Rob Wolfe's zip file instructions. The bin\lein deps
command seemed to work fine, but when I then invoked bin\repl, I got the
following error:
CLASSPATH=";C:\labrepl-package\lib\ant-1.6.2.jar;C:\labrepl-package\lib\ant-laun
cher-1.6.2.jar;C:\labrepl-package\lib\antlr-2.7.2.jar;C:
Like I said, Clojuratica works with the free edition of Mathematica:
http://www.wolfram.com/products/player/
I found it tricky to get it all set up the first time, but it is definitely
nice to have access to some of those really fast Mathematica functions.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Glen Ru
Except Mathematica is kind of expensive $250 for the home edition. It
looks like there is also Incanter which is a similar project using R
free statistical computing environment
On Mar 24, 12:55 pm, Mark Engelberg wrote:
> Check out clojuratica. It interfaces Clojure to a free version of
> math
Right - not very different from the (class (byte-array 1)) that I came up with
in the mean time... all not very clojuresque.
-FS.
On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:03 PM, ataggart wrote:
> For type-hinting #^"[B" works, but for obtaining and passing the class
> to defmethod, the best I can come up with is
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:43:49PM -0700, WoodHacker wrote:
> (def savedColors [black, white])
(def savedColors (atom [black white]))
> Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0" java.lang.ClassCastException:
> clojure.lang.PersistentVector cannot be cast to clojure.lang.Atom
This message shoul
For type-hinting #^"[B" works, but for obtaining and passing the class
to defmethod, the best I can come up with is (Class/forName "[B").
On Mar 24, 11:02 am, Frank Siebenlist
wrote:
> The following repl session shows my attempt to dispatch a multimethod on
> "type":
>
> ...
> user> (defmulti
Also, you need to use swap! on an atom, so you'll need to make savedColors
one. Read here: http://clojure.org/atoms
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:51 PM, David Nolen wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:43 PM, WoodHacker wrote:
>
>> Actually, swap! doesn't seem to work in my case.I should state
>>
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:43 PM, WoodHacker wrote:
> Actually, swap! doesn't seem to work in my case.I should state
> what I'm
> trying to do.I'm writing a graphics editing program where I want
> the user
> to be able to choose and save color values. I start out with a
> vector
> contai
Actually, swap! doesn't seem to work in my case.I should state
what I'm
trying to do.I'm writing a graphics editing program where I want
the user
to be able to choose and save color values. I start out with a
vector
containing blank and white. When the user selects a new color and
wants
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Frank Siebenlist
wrote:
> Thanks for the response - guess it is the best one can do living in this
> mixed mutable/immutable world.
>
> Has the seq'ed version of the java byte array become immutable or do we have
> to pray that nobody changes the underlying array
Thanks for the response - guess it is the best one can do living in this mixed
mutable/immutable world.
Has the seq'ed version of the java byte array become immutable or do we have to
pray that nobody changes the underlying array values?
-FS.
On Mar 24, 2010, at 12:40 PM, André Ferreira wrote
Done:
https://www.assembla.com/spaces/clojure/tickets/284-cannot-cast-0xff-to-a-byte-(fails-out-of-range-check)
On Mar 24, 10:57 am, "Mark J. Reed" wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Raph wrote:
> > (My opinion, anyway.I think a byte should be 8 bits and I should be able to
> > use all
Arrays are mutable, seqs immutable. Clojure ='s compares immutable
structures by value, and mutable structures by reference (for the
objects that it is aware of, for others it just prays that they have a
resoanable equals method). This behaviour is described in the very
interisting Henry Baker's eg
Quite right. My comment was mainly aimed at something like casting
0xABC to a byte, and didn't consider the signed value problem. I
think this is a good case for a separate function, such as the one you
provided.
On Mar 24, 8:21 am, Josh Arnold wrote:
> > I can't think of many
> > cases where a
I could whip up something small using an interface and and two classes
that would do it I think. and provide a jar with that reproduces the
problem with clojure source code. Would that help?
.Bill Smith wrote:
> Never mind -- didn't realize those classes are part of the Google app
> engine.
>
> On
Jeremy, try it this way instead: http://gist.github.com/342607
On Mar 24, 1:22 pm, ".Bill Smith" wrote:
> Never mind -- didn't realize those classes are part of the Google app
> engine.
>
> On Mar 24, 1:06 pm, ".Bill Smith" wrote:
>
> > How big is your project? Can you reproduce it using someth
Never mind -- didn't realize those classes are part of the Google app
engine.
On Mar 24, 1:06 pm, ".Bill Smith" wrote:
> How big is your project? Can you reproduce it using something
> smaller?
>
> On Mar 24, 12:44 pm, Jeremy Wall wrote:
>
> > That seems to work but doesn't fix the clojure prob
How big is your project? Can you reproduce it using something
smaller?
On Mar 24, 12:44 pm, Jeremy Wall wrote:
> That seems to work but doesn't fix the clojure problem. Since clojure
> is preforming the cast on my behalf in a call to Reflector.boxArg
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The following repl session shows my attempt to dispatch a multimethod on "type":
...
user> (defmulti mm type)
#'user/mm
user> (type "a")
java.lang.String
user> (defmethod mm java.lang.String [s] (println "string"))
#
user> (mm "a")
string
nil
user> (type (.getBytes "a"))
[B
user> (defmethod mm [B
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Raph wrote:
> (My opinion, anyway.I think a byte should be 8 bits and I should be able to
> use all of them.)
Er, it is, and you can. A Java byte still gives you all 8 bits' worth
of 256 different possible values; the interpretation of those values
is all that d
> (3) IDEA integration: Ditto but for IDEA/La Clojure.
I have tested labrepl on IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate 9 on Mac: Here are the
steps to install and run:
1. One time setup:
* Get labrepl from github (no need for leiningen).
* Install La Clojure plugin:
* Prefereneces/Plugins/Available, s
That seems to work but doesn't fix the clojure problem. Since clojure
is preforming the cast on my behalf in a call to Reflector.boxArg
On Mar 24, 12:29 pm, ".Bill Smith" wrote:
> Jeremy,
>
> Try this instead: (.cast SomeInterface SomeInterfaceImplInstance)
>
> Example:
> user=> (.cast (class jav
I think get/put are pretty fast but there is also the possibility of
slicing arrays in and out of nio buffers on the java side which maybe
could be faster if you want to modify many values and have some memory
to spare.
For example if you have a nio buffer several hundred megabytes big and
you wan
Jeremy,
Try this instead: (.cast SomeInterface SomeInterfaceImplInstance)
Example:
user=> (.cast (class java.util.Set) (java.util.HashSet.))
java.lang.ClassCastException (NO_SOURCE_FILE:0)
user=> (.cast java.util.Set (java.util.HashSet.))
#
On Mar 23, 9:07 pm, Jeremy Wall wrote:
> You can also
It's a (drastic) performance improvement. The magic number of 3
appears to cover a lot of use cases. Once you get larger than three,
it typically is a large number of inputs, i.e. the tail flattens off.
On Mar 23, 5:00 pm, Thomas wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been reading through clojure.core to se
Check out clojuratica. It interfaces Clojure to a free version of
mathematica which has a very fast implementation called FactorInteger.
--Mark
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On Mar 24, 5:40 am, HiHeelHottie wrote:
> user=> ^#'mymax
> ->{:name mymax,
> :user/comment "this is the best fn ever!",
>
> I couldn't find it documented inhttp://clojure.org/reader. #' seems
> to match Var-quote (#'), but why does ^ get you metadata when that
> page uses Metadata (#^).
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Michael Richter wrote:
>
> I don't know the process, but I'm willing to endure the tedium of packaging
> clojure for Ubuntu (and by extension Debian) if this is the kind of thing
> that can be a two-person job.
clojure and clojure-contrib are already in Debian (an
> >
> >> The labrepl project (http://github.com/relevance/labrepl) is a
> >> tutorial environment for learning Clojure.
> > ...
> >> (2) CounterClockwise integration: Ditto above but for Eclipse/
> >
> > I followed the steps and successfully runned the labrepl with Eclipse
> > and CCW.
>
> Good
I'm not sure if I've found a bug or I'm just doing it wrong, or I'm
just trying to do something I shouldn't try to do. But I'm currently
having an issue when trying to set up a clojure appengine project.
you can see my offending code snippet here: http://gist.github.com/341873
but setting up the a
Why does ^#' get you the meta data?
http://clojure.org/special_forms
user=> ^#'mymax
->{:name mymax,
:user/comment "this is the best fn ever!",
I couldn't find it documented in http://clojure.org/reader. #' seems
to match Var-quote (#'), but why does ^ get you metadata when that
page uses M
Of course! I keep making stupid mistakes like thisarg!!!
On Mar 24, 9:28 am, Meikel Brandmeyer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mar 24, 2:21 pm, Glen Rubin wrote:
>
> > (loop [x 1 y (first (tri-nums))]
> > ...
> > (recur (inc x) (first (rest (tri-nums
>
> You call tri-nums twice. So you get f
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:59 AM, invis wrote:
> I am trying to start labrepl with emacs.
> Labrepl is working nice, but I cant "slime-connect" :(
> Have this message:
> "open-network-stream: make client process failed: connection
> refused, :name, SLIME Lisp, :buffer, nil, :host, 127.0.0.1, :ser
Hi,
I think you want to use 'indexed' from clojure.contrib with your tri-nums to
get a lazy indexed sequence.
Tobias
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Glen Rubin wrote:
> I wrote the following code to produce a lazy sequence of the triangle
> numbers. (triangle numbers are the series of number
Hi all,
I've been reading through clojure.core to see examples of fine clojure
style. One thing I've noticed is (what I consider) a weird notation
when parsing parameters for function. As an example, consider the
function juxt:
(defn juxt
"Alpha - name subject to change.
Takes a set of functi
Hi Clojurians,
Clojure's STM seems great for maintaining consistent state on a single
machine with concurrent processes, but what about synchronizing state
across multiple computers with higher latency? I've been wondering a
lot lately how Google wave works considering all the significant
latency
Thanks a lot!
Is there way to do the same thing using 'doto'? e.g.
(doto (.environment pb) (.put "Var1" "myValue"))
I can't figure out where to place #^Map hint...
On Mar 24, 5:19 am, Armando Blancas wrote:
> You want Clojure to treat 'env' as a Map instead of its implementation
> class, which
As far as I can tell, you're doing nothing wrong and just hitting a
bug in Clojure. Which is still in 1.2.0-master...
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Konstantin Barskiy wrote:
> I'm trying to reproduce ProcessBuilder example from java documentation
> http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/
My impression from reading Remco van 't Veer's posts about his
experience running clojure on Android is that it tends to be slow in
general because introspection is expensive in Dalvik. So while you
can sprinkle typehints throughout your own code, you really don't want
to do that to the core, and
Thank you, Konrad. Unrolling the bit-or computations helped; total
time for 8,000,000 iterations was 1305 msecs.
Per, you are correct. The byte issue (0xFF out of range) is why I have
to include the mask. I think this is more Java's limitation than
anything. 0xFF is not a valid value for a byte du
This looks like the old type erasure problem - the returned map is of
a private class, so clojure looks for a public version of the "put"
method in one of the interfaces/base classes - but does an exact
comparison on parameter types, so put(String, String) doesn't match
put(Object, Object) and the
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Stuart Campbell
wrote:
> From JDK docs
> (http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/lang/ProcessBuilder.html#environment%28%29):
>
>> The behavior of the returned map is system-dependent. A system may not
>> allow modifications to environment variables or may fo
> Help wanted:
> (5) Out-of-box experience audit. Is the leiningen-based setup easy
> enough? If not, please make something simpler (maybe shell scripts
> that pull the libs from a download site?)
> (6) Better windows instructions/integration.
Very nice! I'm looking at it now, on windows XP
> I can't think of many
> cases where a downcast is used *and* the original value is expected to
> ever be larger than the target type.
I can. Particularly when casting to a byte, I'm often more interested
in the bit pattern than the integer value. (Admittedly, sometimes
this is due to java API
On 23 March 2010 22:43, Joel Martin wrote:
> I'll know that this problem is solved when the Setup and Getting
> Started sections of the main Getting Started page resemble this:
>
> -
> For debian and Ubuntu users:
>apt-get install clojure
>
> For Fedora and CentOS users:
>yum install
I am trying to start labrepl with emacs.
Labrepl is working nice, but I cant "slime-connect" :(
Have this message:
"open-network-stream: make client process failed: connection
refused, :name, SLIME Lisp, :buffer, nil, :host, 127.0.0.1, :service,
4005"
Could you tell me how to fix it ?
--
You rece
On Mar 24, 2010, at 3:53 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
2010/3/24 Konrad Hinsen :
The original version (. object method) still could have an interest
where IDEs could guess the method names to propose based on what they
could infer from the object arg.
With the (.methodName object) version, the IDE us
I just tried starting it from a Windows box, and for some reason, the
kanjis are not displayed there. Maybe it's a font issue, not sure yet.
Will investigate.
On Mar 24, 9:06 pm, Eugen Dück wrote:
> Hi Zmitro,
>
> you should see kanjis being detected as you draw the strokes. Maybe
> the app didn'
Cool !
2010/3/24 Zmitro Lapcjonak :
>
>
> On Mar 24, 3:53 pm, Laurent PETIT wrote:
>> 2010/3/24 Zmitro Lapcjonak :
>>
>> > On Mar 23, 4:13 pm, Stuart Halloway wrote:
>>
>> >> The labrepl project (http://github.com/relevance/labrepl) is a
>> >> tutorial environment for learning Clojure.
>> > ...
On Mar 24, 3:53 pm, Laurent PETIT wrote:
> 2010/3/24 Zmitro Lapcjonak :
>
> > On Mar 23, 4:13 pm, Stuart Halloway wrote:
>
> >> The labrepl project (http://github.com/relevance/labrepl) is a
> >> tutorial environment for learning Clojure.
> > ...
> >> (2) CounterClockwise integration: Ditto abo
On 24.03.2010, at 11:22, mac wrote:
> With regards to copying of data, clj-native expects nio buffers to be
> used as input where a native function requires a typed pointer. These
> buffers can be allocated outside of the JVM heap specifically to avoid
> copying. For example (ByteBuffer/allocateDi
2010/3/24 Zmitro Lapcjonak :
> On Mar 23, 4:13 pm, Stuart Halloway wrote:
>
>> The labrepl project (http://github.com/relevance/labrepl) is a
>> tutorial environment for learning Clojure.
> ...
>> (2) CounterClockwise integration: Ditto above but for Eclipse/
>
> I followed the steps and successfu
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Per Vognsen wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Glen Rubin wrote:
>> I wrote the following code to produce a lazy sequence of the triangle
>> numbers. (triangle numbers are the series of numbers: 1, 1+2, 1+2+3,
>> etc...)
>>
>> (defn tri-nums []
>> "prduce
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Glen Rubin wrote:
> I wrote the following code to produce a lazy sequence of the triangle
> numbers. (triangle numbers are the series of numbers: 1, 1+2, 1+2+3,
> etc...)
>
> (defn tri-nums []
> "prduce a lazy sequence of triangle numbers"
> (let [triangles (map
On Mar 23, 10:18 pm, Rob Wolfe wrote:
> Stuart Halloway writes:
> > The labrepl project (http://github.com/relevance/labrepl) is a
> What about creating standalone ZIP file, which will contain
> all necessary components: Clojure, Leiningem and Labrepl?
> I tried that on Linux and Windows and it
Hi,
On Mar 24, 2:21 pm, Glen Rubin wrote:
> (loop [x 1 y (first (tri-nums))]
> ...
> (recur (inc x) (first (rest (tri-nums
You call tri-nums twice. So you get fresh seqs each time. You have to
work on a single seq.
(loop [counter 1
tris(tri-nums)]
(let [t (first tris)]
On Mar 23, 4:13 pm, Stuart Halloway wrote:
> The labrepl project (http://github.com/relevance/labrepl) is a
> tutorial environment for learning Clojure.
...
> (2) CounterClockwise integration: Ditto above but for Eclipse/
I followed the steps and successfully runned the labrepl with Eclipse
an
I wrote the following code to produce a lazy sequence of the triangle
numbers. (triangle numbers are the series of numbers: 1, 1+2, 1+2+3,
etc...)
(defn tri-nums []
"prduce a lazy sequence of triangle numbers"
(let [triangles (map #(range 1 %) (iterate inc 2))]
(map #(reduce + %) triangle
On 2010 Mar 24, at 2:39 AM, Meikel Brandmeyer wrote:
On Mar 24, 2:22 am, Douglas Philips wrote:
would (let [s1 (first seq1)
s1tail (rest seq1)] ...)
be any better? rest says it calls seq on its argument, and that would
force as well?
Hmmm... So only things like map are able to real
it looks like that code will suffice. Thanks!!
On Mar 23, 9:38 pm, Per Vognsen wrote:
> I'm sure that code would be useful if he were looking for a slow
> implementation of a slow algorithm. I believe he asked for an
> optimized algorithm. An example might be Lenstra's elliptic curve
> factoriza
Hi Lee,
Please note that Stuart added to the README the tutorial for Eclipse/ccw.
I wrote it so that if every step works as expected (it did with my own
tests), there is no pre-requisite but having a JVM on your machine :
no need to know/install Git on the command line, no need to
know/install mav
Hi Zmitro,
you should see kanjis being detected as you draw the strokes. Maybe
the app didn't re-layout properly, that's why you didn't see the kanji
panel on the right hand side. I changed the jar slightly, and if the
re-layout thing was the reason, it could be fixed now. if you still
only see a
Thanks to all who reassured me on the non-interference of lein/labrepl with my
existing setup.
I did follow the labrepl getting started instructions, get it working, and see
that there's some great stuff in there. Very much appreciated and I may want to
use this if I teach Clojure in the fall.
2010/3/24 Konrad Hinsen :
> On 23 Mar 2010, at 21:04, Robert Lally wrote:
>
>> Is there a technical reason that one should prefer the (.method object)
>> syntax over the (. object method) variant or is it purely a style that the
>> community has converged on?
>
> It's purely style. You can easily v
Clarification of lettersoup:
JNI = java native interface, the C/C++ interface to java.
JNA = java native access, an API that aims to simplify java/C interop.
clj-native is built upon JNA and is at present a rather thin wrapper
so it's good to learn a bit about JNA to get the most out of clj-
nativ
I never said automatic overflowing is a good thing per se.
The problem is that the expectations set by hexadecimal notation are
violated. When I write 0xFF, I don't mean the abstract mathematical
number 255; I mean the number whose bit representation (e.g. one's
complement for signed integers) has
On 23 Mar 2010, at 19:53, Lee Spector wrote:
I'm intrigued by what I've read here about labrepl, but can someone
tell me if it's possible that the lein installation step will mess
up my existing setup in any way?
I don't think so. Unless you have an existing script called "lein" on
your m
Hello
Mark Derricutt at "Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:30:26 +1300" wrote:
MD> 1.3.2 is the latest version of the plugin and fixes some issues with the
replScript settings ( it actually continues to run the repl, and not
MD> just exits - doh!)
Yes, I already fixed this in my repo and created pull reque
On 24 Mar 2010, at 07:40, mac wrote:
If you just want to use LLVM from Clojure however, you can use my C
FFI clj-native with the C interface for LLVM. I actually made it
because I wanted to play around with LLVM but I never got around to
actually doing that again once I had a working version of
On 23 Mar 2010, at 21:04, Robert Lally wrote:
Is there a technical reason that one should prefer the (.method
object) syntax over the (. object method) variant or is it purely a
style that the community has converged on?
It's purely style. You can easily verify that (.method object) is
tr
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