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*Subject:* Re: Stus-List rig tuning
I've been watching my rig and actually tightened the starboard shrouds a
little to match the port...by feel. Under what conditions
Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List rig tuning
I've been watching my rig and actually tightened the starboard shrouds a
little to match the port...by feel. Under what conditions should I expect
the leeward shrouds to loosen (how much wind and what angle)? Is there a
way to decribe slack? How loose
Advice fro the 37+ Owner's Manual. The third paragraph applies I think as
both wind speed and angle are included:
4.4 Tuning While Sailing
Select a day with a steady 8 to 12 knot breeze and reasonably flat sea. Put
the boat on
starboard tack, close hauled. Sight up the luff groove of the mast.
I've been watching my rig and actually tightened the starboard shrouds a
little to match the port...by feel. Under what conditions should I expect
the leeward shrouds to loosen (how much wind and what angle)? Is there a
way to decribe slack? How loose is slack? Visibly floppy or just feel
less
tie wraps on the turnbuckles work fine for me...I would likely change to
cotter pins for off shore but for waht sailing I do electric tie wraps work
fine...nthing seems to change much on daysails in 0-20 apparent on my 35
MKII and if it did I would likely notice overly slack tension to leeward
small plastic pull/lock strings (or whatever they are called)
Are you referring to zip-ties? I guess they are working out fine for you?
If you use neon colors you'll be able to see if one goes missing. I may
have to givs them a try.
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 CC 37+
Solomons, MD
On Apr 28,
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From: robert via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
To: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tue, Apr 28, 2015 3:40 pm
Subject: Stus-List rig tuning
On everything up top on the standing rigging, I now use only SS cotter
pins.this is because
I wanted to report back to the list on a couple of earlier discussions I
initiated:
1. I checked the furler/headstay with regard to tension the other day and with
no sail on it, the headstay and foil had very little give at all. I suspect
that with a genoa deployed and the sag it induces,
: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:03:16 -0400
From: David Knecht davidakne...@gmail.com
To: dwight veinot dwight...@gmail.com, CnC CnC
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Tim:
The mast rake is approx. 8 and there is very little prebendthe mast
on a CC 32 really doesn't need much prebend.I would have my sail
maker take that into consideration if I were ordering a new main
sail..I think the main sail I use was built with no prebend in mind.
I feel
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Hi Dwight- Now I am even more confused, but need to get back to the boat to
confirm my recollection. As I remember it, when the backstay has no added
tension
Hi Dwight- Now I am even more confused, but need to get back to the boat to
confirm my recollection. As I remember it, when the backstay has no added
tension, the roller furler track is quite slack and can be flopped around
easily by hand. I will measure it this weekend to see how much flop.
Hi David,
If I may try to clarify things a bit here...
substitute forestay length for forestay tension in Dwight's message below.
As others have pointed out (Dennis' message is a
good guide) forestay tension is more or less
adjusted for sailing (or APPARENT wind) conditions.
David
Initial set on the forestay tension should give some aft rake on the mast.
In calm waters and after you have the mast plumb, hang a weight (say 5-10
lbs) on the main halyard just above the boom...that weight should hang out
anywhere from 6 inches to a foot aft of the mast...adjust forestay
*To:* dwight veinot; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List rig tuning
What Dwight is referencing is a race we did with a Kirby 25 and were
embarrassed on the race course. And we were especially bad on
starboard tackwe kept wondering all day what was wrongalmost
blaming one another
No, but I can see a surveyor noting it as something to be repaired before
coverage is bound.
Joel
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
A comment was made to me the other day that if an insurance company sees
split rings at the rigs
A comment was made to me the other day that if an insurance company sees split
rings at the rigs turnbuckles (vs cotter pins) that coverage will be null and
void. I found nothing in my policy stating this detail.
Anyone else ever hear of this?
Thanks,
Pete
Speaking of forestay, what is the proper way to determine the correct forestay
tension?Dave
On Apr 28, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:
Robert,
I think the only things missing from your setup numbers are rake and
pre-bend. Our forestay length
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Subject: Re: Stus-List rig tuning
What Dwight is referencing is a race we did with a Kirby 25 and were
embarrassed on the race course. And we were especially bad on starboard
tack
Simple question. Complex answer.
Look at the shape of the headsail. Notably, the amount of sag in the
luff.
Forestay tension is primarily regulated by backstay tension. There is no
good guide for pounds of force. Your headsail design and age, choice of
sail (#1, #2, #3), rig tune, wind
Hi Dennis- I realize that you would generally tighten the forestay with the
backstay as the wind increases. However, that assumes some starting point of
how much sag there is with no backstay tension and it is that starting point
that I am unsure how to set. I am presuming that there can be
Might give these a try too.
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|10918|2303303|2303306id=2546248
On Apr 28, 2015 9:48 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
A comment was made to me the other day that if an insurance company sees
split rings at the rigs
David,
It depends on if you have swept spreaders. To my knowledge CC didn't
sweep the spreaders. Hunters OTOH are known for their swept spreaders.
Swept spreaders pull the mast aft and create head stay tension. Without
swept spreaders the backstay is about all there is. Some boats have
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Sent: April 28, 2015 11:48 PM
To: CC List; David Knecht
Subject: Re: Stus-List rig tuning
David,
It depends on if you have swept spreaders. To my knowledge CC didn't sweep
the spreaders. Hunters OTOH are known for their swept spreaders. Swept
spreaders pull the mast aft
Tim,
How often do you make adjustments? Do you have a tension gauge for rod
rigging?
Joel
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
I got those (wrap pins) last year - and am very happy with them - no sharp
edges, no messing around with
I got those (wrap pins) last year - and am very happy with them - no sharp
edges, no messing around with rigging tape to make adjustments.
Tim
Mojito
CC 35-3
Branford, CT
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
Might give these a try too.
I don't have a tension gauge, but we do make adjustments on the way out to
races on weekend regattas (not so much on Wednesday's). As you know, I was
struggling with rig tension because of mast step issues last year, so maybe
I won't need to do as much this season.
Tim
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at
I use two per turnbuckle body. I was trying to find the order - I think it
was two large (C4) and one small (C3) each side for my 35-3.
Tim
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Jim Reinardy firewa...@reinardy.us
wrote:
Tim,
Do you just put them on one of the ends, or do you use 2 per
My rigger buddy and I always use high quality stainless cotter pins. If
they're in a turnbuckle, we bend them 90 degrees in order to wrap the
turnbuckle with rigging tape. If they are at the masthead or where sails
or crew won't get caught on them, we usually only bend them 10-15 degrees.
That's
Tim,
Do you just put them on one of the ends, or do you use 2 per turnbuckle body?
Jim Reinardy
CC 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI
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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:58 AM
To: Josh Muckley, Marek Fluder via CnC-List
I've seen people cheap out with velcro straps and cotter pins for a DIY
equivalent.
Joel
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List
cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
I use two per turnbuckle body. I was trying to find the order - I think
it was two large (C4) and one small (C3)
Hmm cheap out I was just eying up a roll of velcro I have here …
Tim
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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 2:28 PM
To: Tim Goodyear; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List rig tuning
I've seen people
On everything up top on the standing rigging, I now use only SS cotter
pins.this is because on several occasions, and I can not explain how
it happened, the split rings vanished. Luckily, nothing fell down
before the missing split ring was detected. I have no explanation how
the split
Doing the doctor route again. Maybe later.
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From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: 2015-04-28 10:47 AM
To: CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Pete Shelquist
pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List rig tuning
Most insurance policies have
I’m playing with the rig a bit. I’ve found a setting in which the mast is
straight around 10knts and the tip trails off around 20 knts(TWS). The boat
feels fast, but I’m wondering if it’s still too loose and I run the risk of
breaking something. I’m interested in what others are
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