Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I know someone that had to do some core repairs on a C 40. The boat had sat 
on the hard for years with water in the bilge and the freeze-thaw cycles had 
cracked the hull from the inside.

He said it wasn’t a lot of money, just a lot of PITA work under the boat 
grinding and laminating. Now if you had to pay someone by the hour……OUCH!

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 8:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Godwin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

 

If that happened to me I’d be a hater too.

 

I know of a couple, through friends of ours, that bought C 40 hull #1. They 
raced it and spent winters in the Bahamas on it. We spoke with them often as we 
were acquiring our 37 about some of the pros and cons of C’s. As a new C 
owner I was quite concerned about big issues that might surface.

 

They loved their C and had mostly good things to say about it. However, they 
said the deck leaked like a friggin’ rainforest. It was wet mess. Maybe the 
company was rushing to get the boat on the market and to the boat shows and as 
a result of moving fast, corners were cut and fittings not installed to spec. 
Who knows? The good news for them was that C replaced the entire deck.

 

There are a goodly number of 40’s out there that folks are not having problems 
with. I know that about 5 years ago my 37 was given a very thorough moisture 
test, from the inside and the outside and it came up quite dry.

 

I guess that sometimes you get good ones and sometimes you get bad ones.

 

/says Dave as he looks at his 1-year old Ram 1500 EcoDiesel just back in the 
driveway with a new motor, radiator, oil-cooler, heater core, hoses and water 
pump.../

 

Best,

Dave Godwin

1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay

Ronin’s Overdue Refit  

 

On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List  > wrote:

 

Not being an owner of a C any more, you may lump me with the haters, but I am 
really looking forward to delivering Mojito (C 35-3, the same as you're 
looking at) from Branford CT up to Newport for her final trip with us in a 
couple of weeks.  Having said that, I have spent more than the purchase price 
replacing core in the hull and the decks, so get a good surveyor, who know what 
they are doing on 30 year-old cored hulls, and go into the purchase informed!  
The interior skin on the 35-3 is fairly thin and the repairers seem to think 
initial moisture intrusion was from that direction, not from outside.  I 
couldn't see anywhere that fasteners had been used inappropriately to cause the 
damage.

 

Tim

Ex Mojito

C 35-3

 


On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  > wrote:

So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience with 
a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from hardware.  
Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this (and despite 
all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a very few stories 
and have never had any first hand issues with the hull itself.  Curious what 
everyone else’s experience has been.  

 

John

 

 

 

On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 > wrote:

 

Hi Chris, 

C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that was 
previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their fiberglass 
layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra effort and you 
can see that when you start looking at the details. 

You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from internet 
"experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just see us from 
a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  

Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last a 
long long time

Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
owner.. 

Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
France here   
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf

He's brought it back since.. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 


 

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com  > wrote:
>
> I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
> to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor 

Re: Stus-List Rolly Tasker Sails

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

My 135 came from There. I am very pleased with it and would not hesitate to
buy from them again. The flow stripes are also known as draft stripes.
Just colored tape to let you see how much of a belly you having your sail

Joel

On Friday, March 25, 2016, Andrew Means via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hey all -
>
> As part of the long list of refinements and upgrades we need to make on
> the Safari, we’re looking at getting a new main sail from Rolly Tasker via
> National Sails in FL. Here’s the details of the quote:
>
> *C 34 *(Does anybody feel like confirming that I’ve got these
> measurements correct?)
> I = 44’
> J = 14
> P = 38.25
> E  = 10.92
>
> *Fully Battened Mainsail - *Challenge 8.3oz High Modulus Dacron, 2 reefs
> - $1,459
> Comes with leech lines with clam cleats, tell tales, flo-stripes*, and
> sail bags. Construction includes triple-stitched seams, large radial corner
> reinforcements, with handsewn leather chafe protection.
>
>
> Seems like 8 out of 10 folks have overall positive experience with RT
> sails. There are scattered reports of quality issues, but I’m inclined to
> see that as a risk of any production sail loft. Have any of you ordered
> from them before? What’s been your experience? I’m inquiring about adding a
> cunningham and seeing what our options are for the slugs. Are there other
> options you’d recommend I request?
>
> Before anybody suggests I go to a custom sailmaker to get a super high
> quality sail, the price is really what we can afford right now; if we need
> to spend more money to get a decent sail then we’ll have to wait another
> season or two to replace our (very tired) main. Willing to do that if
> enough folks wave us off RT, but hoping this could be a great solution for
> our casual cruising needs!
>
> Andrew
>
> *What the heck are Flo-Stripes?
> --
> Andrew Means
> S.V. Safari - 1977 C 34 MK I
> Seattle, WA
>


-- 
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Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Don't get me wrong, we really enjoyed Mojito, and had just upgraded a lot of 
things in anticipation of extended ownership before life took an unexpected 
turn and we went for a more "cruisey" option.  They are great boats.  

We had two areas of core we had to replace in the hull; from the turn of the 
bilge at mid-keel up around 3' on the port side for around 6' fire/aft and a 
smaller area on the starboard side from the middle of the keel forward.

It was my decision what to do with the repair; it probably could have been left 
as it was for many more years of sailing, but I wanted to keep her in good 
shape for the longer term.  As I said, go into the decision fully informed and 
you'll know what to do if the survey shows moisture or rot and to what extent.  
The bilge sump is solid glass -and is another area to check (for evidence of 
any hard groundings).

Thanks,

Tim
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:03 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Tim - Well that’s gotta suc…  If you’re writing the checks you can hate all 
> you want.  Am curious however how much of the issue was in the hull itself.  
> I would have thought most of the bilge sump sections would be areas of solid 
> laminate.
> 
> Sorry to hear of your problems.
> 
> John (not the guy looking at the 35-3)
> 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:
>> 
>> Not being an owner of a C any more, you may lump me with the haters, but I 
>> am really looking forward to delivering Mojito (C 35-3, the same as you're 
>> looking at) from Branford CT up to Newport for her final trip with us in a 
>> couple of weeks.  Having said that, I have spent more than the purchase 
>> price replacing core in the hull and the decks, so get a good surveyor, who 
>> know what they are doing on 30 year-old cored hulls, and go into the 
>> purchase informed!  The interior skin on the 35-3 is fairly thin and the 
>> repairers seem to think initial moisture intrusion was from that direction, 
>> not from outside.  I couldn't see anywhere that fasteners had been used 
>> inappropriately to cause the damage.
>> 
>> Tim
>> Ex Mojito
>> C 35-3
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience 
>>> with a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from 
>>> hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about 
>>> this (and despite all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only 
>>> recall a very few stories and have never had any first hand issues with the 
>>> hull itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been.  
>>> 
>>> John
> 
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Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

If that happened to me I’d be a hater too.

I know of a couple, through friends of ours, that bought C 40 hull #1. They 
raced it and spent winters in the Bahamas on it. We spoke with them often as we 
were acquiring our 37 about some of the pros and cons of C’s. As a new C 
owner I was quite concerned about big issues that might surface.

They loved their C and had mostly good things to say about it. However, they 
said the deck leaked like a friggin’ rainforest. It was wet mess. Maybe the 
company was rushing to get the boat on the market and to the boat shows and as 
a result of moving fast, corners were cut and fittings not installed to spec. 
Who knows? The good news for them was that C replaced the entire deck.

There are a goodly number of 40’s out there that folks are not having problems 
with. I know that about 5 years ago my 37 was given a very thorough moisture 
test, from the inside and the outside and it came up quite dry.

I guess that sometimes you get good ones and sometimes you get bad ones.

/says Dave as he looks at his 1-year old Ram 1500 EcoDiesel just back in the 
driveway with a new motor, radiator, oil-cooler, heater core, hoses and water 
pump.../

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not being an owner of a C any more, you may lump me with the haters, but I 
> am really looking forward to delivering Mojito (C 35-3, the same as you're 
> looking at) from Branford CT up to Newport for her final trip with us in a 
> couple of weeks.  Having said that, I have spent more than the purchase price 
> replacing core in the hull and the decks, so get a good surveyor, who know 
> what they are doing on 30 year-old cored hulls, and go into the purchase 
> informed!  The interior skin on the 35-3 is fairly thin and the repairers 
> seem to think initial moisture intrusion was from that direction, not from 
> outside.  I couldn't see anywhere that fasteners had been used 
> inappropriately to cause the damage.
> 
> Tim
> Ex Mojito
> C 35-3
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience 
>> with a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from 
>> hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this 
>> (and despite all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a 
>> very few stories and have never had any first hand issues with the hull 
>> itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been.  
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Chris, 
>>> 
>>> C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that 
>>> was previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their 
>>> fiberglass layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra 
>>> effort and you can see that when you start looking at the details. 
>>> 
>>> You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from 
>>> internet "experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just 
>>> see us from a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  
>>> 
>>> Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last 
>>> a long long time
>>> 
>>> Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
>>> owner.. 
>>> 
>>> Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
>>> from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
>>> France here http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> He's brought it back since.. 
>>> 
>>> -Francois Rivard
>>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>>> Lake Lanier, GA 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
>>> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
>>> > currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
>>> > and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
>>> > to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
>>> > please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about a
>>> > 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what 
>>> > others
>>> > have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand upon
>>> > outside of what I?ve noted above.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Many thanks,
>>> > Chris
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Chris Hobson, Owner
>>> > HobsonBuildsCo.com  
>>> > 

Stus-List Rolly Tasker Sails

[Andrew Means via CnC-List]

Hey all - 

As part of the long list of refinements and upgrades we need to make on the 
Safari, we’re looking at getting a new main sail from Rolly Tasker via National 
Sails in FL. Here’s the details of the quote:

C 34 (Does anybody feel like confirming that I’ve got these measurements 
correct?)
I = 44’
J = 14
P = 38.25
E  = 10.92

Fully Battened Mainsail - Challenge 8.3oz High Modulus Dacron, 2 reefs - $1,459
Comes with leech lines with clam cleats, tell tales, flo-stripes*, and sail 
bags. Construction includes triple-stitched seams, large radial corner 
reinforcements, with handsewn leather chafe protection.

Seems like 8 out of 10 folks have overall positive experience with RT sails. 
There are scattered reports of quality issues, but I’m inclined to see that as 
a risk of any production sail loft. Have any of you ordered from them before? 
What’s been your experience? I’m inquiring about adding a cunningham and seeing 
what our options are for the slugs. Are there other options you’d recommend I 
request? 

Before anybody suggests I go to a custom sailmaker to get a super high quality 
sail, the price is really what we can afford right now; if we need to spend 
more money to get a decent sail then we’ll have to wait another season or two 
to replace our (very tired) main. Willing to do that if enough folks wave us 
off RT, but hoping this could be a great solution for our casual cruising needs!

Andrew

*What the heck are Flo-Stripes?
-- 
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S.V. Safari - 1977 C 34 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Chris
I've got an '83 35-3, and love it.  The hull is cored, but is solid 
where C installed any thru-hulls, and the moisture meter found no 
issues at purchase (6 years ago) and since.  My deck has a damp spot, 
which is par for the course for boats of this age.


As has been said, a good survey is well worth the money.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-03-25 2:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List wrote:
I’m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C 
and currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 
MKIII and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I’m told it all 
comes down to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with 
C knowledge please send them my way!) and I have to say I’m a bit 
apprehensive about a 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. 
But I’m curious what others have to say about this topic or if there’s 
anything they might expand upon outside of what I’ve noted above.


Many thanks,
Chris


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HobsonBuildsCo.com 
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Stus-List Frolic II 36' cb will be for sale soon

[TOM VINCENT via CnC-List]

After some great years of sailing and racing I have decided the 36' C is a 
little too much for this older body. I regret to say that Frolic II will be for 
sale very soon. I am looking at a smaller sailboat and like the Alerion 28 and 
the Harbor 25, both have some good pedigree.
 
I will talking to a broker tomorrow about a listing, in the meantime, if you 
know of anyone that would like to discuss the sale with me, feel free to email 
me at tvince...@msn.com or call 302-540-2078. 
 
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Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Tim - Well that’s gotta suc…  If you’re writing the checks you can hate all you 
want.  Am curious however how much of the issue was in the hull itself.  I 
would have thought most of the bilge sump sections would be areas of solid 
laminate.

Sorry to hear of your problems.

John (not the guy looking at the 35-3)


> On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:
> 
> Not being an owner of a C any more, you may lump me with the haters, but I 
> am really looking forward to delivering Mojito (C 35-3, the same as you're 
> looking at) from Branford CT up to Newport for her final trip with us in a 
> couple of weeks.  Having said that, I have spent more than the purchase price 
> replacing core in the hull and the decks, so get a good surveyor, who know 
> what they are doing on 30 year-old cored hulls, and go into the purchase 
> informed!  The interior skin on the 35-3 is fairly thin and the repairers 
> seem to think initial moisture intrusion was from that direction, not from 
> outside.  I couldn't see anywhere that fasteners had been used 
> inappropriately to cause the damage.
> 
> Tim
> Ex Mojito
> C 35-3
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience 
>> with a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from 
>> hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this 
>> (and despite all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a 
>> very few stories and have never had any first hand issues with the hull 
>> itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been.  
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 

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Re: Stus-List C 29 Mark II

[Eugene Fodor via CnC-List]

Hi Bob,

Thanks for the welcome, and sorry about the subject foobar.

I'm getting pretty excited and that spreader design sounds pretty rock
solid and aligns well with what I've read. Assuming all goes well with the
rest of the inspection and I close I'm planning on sailing her over to the
Apostle Islands to berth her for the summer. I'd like to sail in mid to
early May and the winds can be pretty high that month. 43% chance of BF4+
according to www.windfinder.com. BTW, very cool website for wind statistics
for anyone who likes such things. She does have a dodger so that should
help with heavy weather. Been there without one on a return trip from Half
Moon Bay to SF in eight foot seas at 8 seconds and that was cold and wet.

Thanks,

Gene


> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 17:45:24 -0500
> From: Bob Caughran 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 29 Mark II
> Message-ID: <032d7884-8400-4d57-a39c-0e22a82be...@att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Eugene,
> Welcome to the group.  I have an 83 Mk II. Been out in 30-35 knots and
> 5-6' seas. She's no 40 footer, but she actually handles it pretty well. You
> might get a bit wet though without a dodger. As for the spreaders, mine has
> a bracket that wraps the mast with studs that the spreaders slide over. A
> 3/8", I believe, pin with cotter pins on both sides of the pin secure it to
> the mast. It is much stronger than many like Size boats same vintage.
>
> Bob
> Beemer 29 MK II, #309
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

[Chris Hobson via CnC-List]

You’re right, that was me (offshore74) asking a million questions over on 
Sailnet :) I really like being as informed as I can be from all angles, hence 
the reason I came over here where C owners reside as one of you here 
suggested. I’m not as overwhelmed by the idea of cored hulls after hearing some 
more points of view so it’s helpful.

Thanks for all the insights I will be speaking with a reputable surveyor 
tomorrow to grill him on his experience with C and cored hulls. I will also 
have a rigger (who the broker offered up) give some free advise beforehand on 
some of the shrouds which are…rod? Not the wound cable type. Another big ticket 
item. 

So far based on what I know, the current 40k asking price (with room to pay for 
upgrades/repairs and needed equipment) is a bit steep. But I’ll know more once 
I get some experts to poke around before putting a serious offer on the table 
before sea trial/survey.

Thanks,
Chris

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> On Mar 25, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Um, I know. Guess my sense of humor didn’t come through…  ;-)
> 
> Anyway, I just wanted the OP to not be overly concerned about the boat 
> surveyor’s thoughts on balsa cored hulls. I thought he was, shall we say, a 
> bit too dramatic regarding the issue. There’s no point in scaring folks that 
> are new to modern cored boats. They are still being built for some reason.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 6:42 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> It's the same person...
>> Someone finally took the advice to come here seriously. 
>> 
>> Jim Watts
>> Paradigm Shift
>> C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
>> 
>> On 25 March 2016 at 11:13, Dave Godwin via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Seems there’s a guy over on SalNet that is looking at the same two boats as 
>> you. I posted a reply there. It may be of some help to you.
>> 
>> I’m spending crazy money and time on my 1982 C 37. That should tell you 
>> something about what I think of their quality. Or my state of mind. ;-)
>> 
>> Anyway, there’s a couple of posts in my blog about wet core and stuff like 
>> how C did a really good job of securing their fastenings.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List To Nate Flesness

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

sorry.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Stu via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Nate – you have been a bad boy and should know better.  CHANGE THE SUBJECT
> LINE
>
> Stu
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Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Um, I know. Guess my sense of humor didn’t come through…  ;-)

Anyway, I just wanted the OP to not be overly concerned about the boat 
surveyor’s thoughts on balsa cored hulls. I thought he was, shall we say, a bit 
too dramatic regarding the issue. There’s no point in scaring folks that are 
new to modern cored boats. They are still being built for some reason.

Best,

Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 6:42 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> It's the same person...
> Someone finally took the advice to come here seriously. 
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
> 
> On 25 March 2016 at 11:13, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  > wrote:
> Chris,
> 
> Seems there’s a guy over on SalNet that is looking at the same two boats as 
> you. I posted a reply there. It may be of some help to you.
> 
> I’m spending crazy money and time on my 1982 C 37. That should tell you 
> something about what I think of their quality. Or my state of mind. ;-)
> 
> Anyway, there’s a couple of posts in my blog about wet core and stuff like 
> how C did a really good job of securing their fastenings.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> 
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Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Not being an owner of a C any more, you may lump me with the haters, but I am 
really looking forward to delivering Mojito (C 35-3, the same as you're 
looking at) from Branford CT up to Newport for her final trip with us in a 
couple of weeks.  Having said that, I have spent more than the purchase price 
replacing core in the hull and the decks, so get a good surveyor, who know what 
they are doing on 30 year-old cored hulls, and go into the purchase informed!  
The interior skin on the 35-3 is fairly thin and the repairers seem to think 
initial moisture intrusion was from that direction, not from outside.  I 
couldn't see anywhere that fasteners had been used inappropriately to cause the 
damage.

Tim
Ex Mojito
C 35-3


> On Mar 25, 2016, at 3:01 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience 
> with a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from 
> hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this 
> (and despite all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a 
> very few stories and have never had any first hand issues with the hull 
> itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been.  
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris, 
>> 
>> C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that was 
>> previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their 
>> fiberglass layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra 
>> effort and you can see that when you start looking at the details. 
>> 
>> You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from 
>> internet "experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just 
>> see us from a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  
>> 
>> Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last a 
>> long long time
>> 
>> Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
>> owner.. 
>> 
>> Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
>> from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
>> France here http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf
>> 
>> He's brought it back since.. 
>> 
>> -Francois Rivard
>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>> Lake Lanier, GA 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
>> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
>> > currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
>> > and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
>> > to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
>> > please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about a
>> > 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what others
>> > have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand upon
>> > outside of what I?ve noted above.
>> >
>> >
>> > Many thanks,
>> > Chris
>> >
>> >
>> > Chris Hobson, Owner
>> > HobsonBuildsCo.com 
>> > ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com
>> > 416-436-1037
>> >
>> Regards
>> François Rivard   4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw
>> 
>> Big Data Black Belt   Atlanta, 30327-3015
>> IBM Sales & Distribution, Software Sales  Usa
>> Mobile:  770-639-0429
>> e-mail:  jfriv...@us.ibm.com 
>>  
>>  
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Re: Stus-List C 29 Mark II

[Bob Caughran via CnC-List]

Hi Eugene,
Welcome to the group.  I have an 83 Mk II. Been out in 30-35 knots and 5-6' 
seas. She's no 40 footer, but she actually handles it pretty well. You might 
get a bit wet though without a dodger. As for the spreaders, mine has a bracket 
that wraps the mast with studs that the spreaders slide over. A 3/8", I 
believe, pin with cotter pins on both sides of the pin secure it to the mast. 
It is much stronger than many like Size boats same vintage. 

Bob
Beemer 29 MK II, #309

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> On Mar 25, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Stu via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Nate – you have been a bad boy and should know better.  CHANGE THE SUBJECT 
> LINE
>  
> Stu
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Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

It's the same person...
Someone finally took the advice to come here seriously.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 25 March 2016 at 11:13, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Seems there’s a guy over on SalNet that is looking at the same two boats
> as you. I posted a reply there. It may be of some help to you.
>
> I’m spending crazy money and time on my 1982 C 37. That should tell you
> something about what I think of their quality. Or my state of mind. ;-)
>
> Anyway, there’s a couple of posts in my blog about wet core and stuff like
> how C did a really good job of securing their fastenings.
>
> Best,
>
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[David via CnC-List]

For a variety of reasons I have never been a big fan of J boats construction...

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 14:54:07 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List now cored hulls
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: capt...@gmail.com

Friend with a J36 had most of the starboard quarter re-cored.  Not certain but 
I seem to recall he said J Boats left the top of the core exposed.

Might have to pop a cockpit locker and peek at a J Boat or two.  :)

Dennis C.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
 wrote:
J-30’s of the ‘80’s vintage were legendary. There were a number of them around 
here which had the outer skin removed, core replaced, and then were re-glassed. 
Not cheap, but they got thousands of pounds lighter. GarySt. Michaels mdFrom: 
CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Pennie via 
CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 3:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Pennie 
Subject: Re: Stus-List now cored hulls So this really does beg the question.  
Has anyone had firsthand experience with a hull core issue?  Decks are 
understandable - lots of holes from hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big 
post.  But as I think about this (and despite all the internet chatter on the 
subject) I can only recall a very few stories and have never had any first hand 
issues with the hull itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been. 
  John   On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote: Hi Chris, 

C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that was 
previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their fiberglass 
layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra effort and you 
can see that when you start looking at the details. 

You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from internet 
"experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just see us from 
a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  

Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last a 
long long time

Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
owner.. 

Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
France here http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf

He's brought it back since.. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 


 

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
> to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
> please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about a
> 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what others
> have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand upon
> outside of what I?ve noted above.
>
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> Chris Hobson, Owner
> HobsonBuildsCo.com 
> ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com
> 416-436-1037
>
RegardsFrançois Rivard 4111 Northside Pkwy, NwBig Data 
Black Belt Atlanta, 30327-3015IBM Sales & Distribution, Software Sales 
UsaMobile:770-639-0429 e-mail:jfriv...@us.ibm.com

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[Stu via CnC-List]

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Stus-List Lewmar 43s for sale...

[David via CnC-List]

Looks like a good deal for $150

http://capecod.craigslist.org/bpo/5478983225.html

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 122, Issue 79

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

friend has one on Lake Superior. Has cruised it widely, including a couple
trips to Isle Royale from Cornucopia and Duluth, up to Houghton, etc. I
hope he'll accompany me to the Canadian coast this summer. Its certainly
more tender than the 30-1 I own, but noticeably faster in light air. Reef
early and often and you'll be fine.

The C Photoalbum has a Technical Info tab at left, select Stability
Diagram, and you'll see comparable stiffness/tenderness of C models.

Nate
"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
on the hard on the St, Croix River

unnamed
1994 Tartan 31
on the hard
Siskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Eugene Fodor via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm in the escrow in the purchase of a C 29 Mark II circa 84/85; I
> realize the seller might be on this list. :-)  Curious if anyone has
> experience taking them on extended cruises and how the 29's mkii's handle
> in heavy seas and high wind (BF 5+). I wouldn't intentionally sail into a
> gale, but I'm sailing it on Lake Superior where the weather can be
> unpredictable.
>
> Also, curious if anyone knows how the spreader's are reinforced on the
> mast. Are they simply drilled or are there backing bolts or sleeves for
> more support. Been reading this old boat and Don Casey is pretty insistent
> that they need to be reinforced to insure distribution of the load at the
> point of attachment.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gene
>
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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 122, Issue 79

[Eugene Fodor via CnC-List]

Hello,

I'm in the escrow in the purchase of a C 29 Mark II circa 84/85; I
realize the seller might be on this list. :-)  Curious if anyone has
experience taking them on extended cruises and how the 29's mkii's handle
in heavy seas and high wind (BF 5+). I wouldn't intentionally sail into a
gale, but I'm sailing it on Lake Superior where the weather can be
unpredictable.

Also, curious if anyone knows how the spreader's are reinforced on the
mast. Are they simply drilled or are there backing bolts or sleeves for
more support. Been reading this old boat and Don Casey is pretty insistent
that they need to be reinforced to insure distribution of the load at the
point of attachment.

Thanks,

Gene
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Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Friend with a J36 had most of the starboard quarter re-cored.  Not certain
but I seem to recall he said J Boats left the top of the core exposed.

Might have to pop a cockpit locker and peek at a J Boat or two.  :)

Dennis C.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> J-30’s of the ‘80’s vintage were legendary. There were a number of them
> around here which had the outer skin removed, core replaced, and then were
> re-glassed. Not cheap, but they got thousands of pounds lighter.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
> St. Michaels md
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *John
> Pennie via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* John Pennie 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List now cored hulls
>
>
>
> So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience
> with a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from
> hardware.  Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about
> this (and despite all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only
> recall a very few stories and have never had any first hand issues with the
> hull itself.  Curious what everyone else’s experience has been.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that
> was previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their
> fiberglass layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra
> effort and you can see that when you start looking at the details.
>
> You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from
> internet "experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just
> see us from a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)
>
> Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last
> a long long time
>
> Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior
> owner..
>
> Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed
> it from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada
> to France here
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf
>
> He's brought it back since..
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> > currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> > and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
> > to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
> > please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about
> a
> > 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what
> others
> > have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand
> upon
> > outside of what I?ve noted above.
> >
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Chris Hobson, Owner
> > HobsonBuildsCo.com  <
> http://hobsonbuildsco.com/>
> > ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com
> > 416-436-1037
> >
> Regards
> --
>
> *François Rivard*
>
>  4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw
>
> 
>
> Big Data Black Belt
>
>  Atlanta, 30327-3015
>
> IBM Sales & Distribution, Software Sales
>
>  Usa
>
> Mobile:
>
> 770-639-0429
>
>
>
> e-mail:
>
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>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

J-30’s of the ‘80’s vintage were legendary. There were a number of them around 
here which had the outer skin removed, core replaced, and then were re-glassed. 
Not cheap, but they got thousands of pounds lighter.

 

Gary

St. Michaels md

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Pennie 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 3:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Pennie 
Subject: Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

 

So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience with 
a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from hardware.  
Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this (and despite 
all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a very few stories 
and have never had any first hand issues with the hull itself.  Curious what 
everyone else’s experience has been.  

 

John

 

 

 

On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 > wrote:

 

Hi Chris, 

C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that was 
previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their fiberglass 
layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra effort and you 
can see that when you start looking at the details. 

You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from internet 
"experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just see us from 
a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  

Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last a 
long long time

Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
owner.. 

Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
France here   
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf

He's brought it back since.. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 


 

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com  > wrote:
>
> I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
> to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
> please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about a
> 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what others
> have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand upon
> outside of what I?ve noted above.
>
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> Chris Hobson, Owner
> HobsonBuildsCo.com   < 
>  http://hobsonbuildsco.com/>
> ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com  
> 416-436-1037
>
Regards


  _  



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Big Data Black Belt

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Re: Stus-List now cored hulls

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

So this really does beg the question.  Has anyone had firsthand experience with 
a hull core issue?  Decks are understandable - lots of holes from hardware.  
Rudders are understandable - big post.  But as I think about this (and despite 
all the internet chatter on the subject) I can only recall a very few stories 
and have never had any first hand issues with the hull itself.  Curious what 
everyone else’s experience has been.  

John



> On Mar 25, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris, 
> 
> C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that was 
> previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their 
> fiberglass layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra 
> effort and you can see that when you start looking at the details. 
> 
> You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from internet 
> "experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically just see us 
> from a distance while we're blowing them away. :-)  
> 
> Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last a 
> long long time
> 
> Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
> owner.. 
> 
> Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed it 
> from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from Canada to 
> France here http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf 
> 
> 
> He's brought it back since.. 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> > currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> > and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes down
> > to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
> > please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about a
> > 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what others
> > have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand upon
> > outside of what I?ve noted above.
> >
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > Chris Hobson, Owner
> > HobsonBuildsCo.com >
> > ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com
> > 416-436-1037
> >
> Regards
> François Rivard4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw
> 
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Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Chris, 

C pretty much invented using cored hulls on production sailboats, that 
was previously reserved for high end offshore racing powerboats.. Their 
fiberglass layups were also 2nd to none.. They really did put in the extra 
effort and you can see that when you start looking at the details. 

You read the cored hulls horror stories on other forums, mostly from 
internet "experts" that have never seen a C up-close. They typically 
just see us from a distance while we're blowing them away. :-) 

Seriously, if the boat has been reasonably well taken care of it will last 
a long long time

Make sure you get a good survey and ask lots of questions from the prior 
owner.. 

Antoine Rose crossed the Atlantic twice in a 1973 C 30 MK I. He sailed 
it from Montreal QC to Brest France.  Read the story of the way from 
Canada to France here 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/CnC30_Crosses_Atlantic/index.pdf

He's brought it back since.. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA 


 

> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I?m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I?m told it all comes 
down
> to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
> please send them my way!) and I have to say I?m a bit apprehensive about 
a
> 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I?m curious what 
others
> have to say about this topic or if there?s anything they might expand 
upon
> outside of what I?ve noted above.
>
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> Chris Hobson, Owner
> HobsonBuildsCo.com 
> ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com
> 416-436-1037
>
Regards



François Rivard
 4111 Northside Pkwy, Nw

Big Data Black Belt
 Atlanta, 30327-3015
IBM Sales & Distribution, Software Sales
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Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Chris,

Seems there’s a guy over on SalNet that is looking at the same two boats as 
you. I posted a reply there. It may be of some help to you.

I’m spending crazy money and time on my 1982 C 37. That should tell you 
something about what I think of their quality. Or my state of mind. ;-)

Anyway, there’s a couple of posts in my blog about wet core and stuff like how 
C did a really good job of securing their fastenings.

Best,

Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have at least one more 35 MK III that has gone to Bermuda recently on this 
> list too IIRC.
> C are not disposable yachts that fall apart ;)
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
> Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:33 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joel Aronson
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions
>  
> I've raced my 35/3 from Annapolis to Bermuda and to Newport.​  The boat was 
> solid in crappy conditions in a race where 7 boats retired.  Doing Bermuda 
> again, and have no hesitation about the integrity of the boat.
>  
> Joel
> 35/3
> The Office
> Annapolis
>  
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> What a MK I can do:
> http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/plotsheet1.JPG 
> 
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
> J
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:23 PM
> To: CnClist
> Cc: Dennis C.
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions
>  
> My 45 year old C 35 doesn't have a cored hull but I'd sail it anywhere 
> anytime.  Raced it upwind in 20+ knot breeze and 4-6 foot seas.  Boat 
> basically said "Is that all you got?"
> 
> Spent 2+ weeks cruising it leisurely on the Gulf Coast.  Enjoyed every minute.
> 
> C designed and constructed their cored hulls very well.  Unless some idiot 
> drilled a hole through the core and didn't properly protect the core, there 
> shouldn't be any issue.  Like you said, a good survey will tell.
>  
> Nuf said.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>  
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> I’m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and 
> currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII and 
> a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I’m told it all comes down to a 
> good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge please send 
> them my way!) and I have to say I’m a bit apprehensive about a 30+ year old 
> boat with cored hull and topsides. But I’m curious what others have to say 
> about this topic or if there’s anything they might expand upon outside of 
> what I’ve noted above.
> 
> Many thanks,
> Chris
> 
> 
> Chris Hobson, Owner
> HobsonBuildsCo.com 
> ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com 
> 416-436-1037 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

We have at least one more 35 MK III that has gone to Bermuda recently on this 
list too IIRC.
C are not disposable yachts that fall apart ;)

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

I've raced my 35/3 from Annapolis to Bermuda and to Newport.​  The boat was 
solid in crappy conditions in a race where 7 boats retired.  Doing Bermuda 
again, and have no hesitation about the integrity of the boat.

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> wrote:
What a MK I can do:
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/plotsheet1.JPG

Joe
Coquina

☺

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:23 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

My 45 year old C 35 doesn't have a cored hull but I'd sail it anywhere 
anytime.  Raced it upwind in 20+ knot breeze and 4-6 foot seas.  Boat basically 
said "Is that all you got?"
Spent 2+ weeks cruising it leisurely on the Gulf Coast.  Enjoyed every minute.
C designed and constructed their cored hulls very well.  Unless some idiot 
drilled a hole through the core and didn't properly protect the core, there 
shouldn't be any issue.  Like you said, a good survey will tell.

Nuf said.
Dennis C.
Touche 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I’m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and 
currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII and a 
1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I’m told it all comes down to a good 
surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge please send them 
my way!) and I have to say I’m a bit apprehensive about a 30+ year old boat 
with cored hull and topsides. But I’m curious what others have to say about 
this topic or if there’s anything they might expand upon outside of what I’ve 
noted above.

Many thanks,
Chris

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Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I've raced my 35/3 from Annapolis to Bermuda and to Newport.​  The boat was
solid in crappy conditions in a race where 7 boats retired.  Doing Bermuda
again, and have no hesitation about the integrity of the boat.

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What a MK I can do:
>
> http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/plotsheet1.JPG
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, March 25, 2016 1:23 PM
> *To:* CnClist
> *Cc:* Dennis C.
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions
>
>
>
> My 45 year old C 35 doesn't have a cored hull but I'd sail it anywhere
> anytime.  Raced it upwind in 20+ knot breeze and 4-6 foot seas.  Boat
> basically said "Is that all you got?"
>
> Spent 2+ weeks cruising it leisurely on the Gulf Coast.  Enjoyed every
> minute.
>
> C designed and constructed their cored hulls very well.  Unless some
> idiot drilled a hole through the core and didn't properly protect the core,
> there shouldn't be any issue.  Like you said, a good survey will tell.
>
>
>
> Nuf said.
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I’m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I’m told it all comes down
> to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
> please send them my way!) and I have to say I’m a bit apprehensive about a
> 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I’m curious what others
> have to say about this topic or if there’s anything they might expand upon
> outside of what I’ve noted above.
>
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> Chris Hobson, Owner
> HobsonBuildsCo.com 
> ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com
> 416-436-1037
>
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Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

What a MK I can do:
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/plotsheet1.JPG

Joe
Coquina

☺

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 1:23 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

My 45 year old C 35 doesn't have a cored hull but I'd sail it anywhere 
anytime.  Raced it upwind in 20+ knot breeze and 4-6 foot seas.  Boat basically 
said "Is that all you got?"
Spent 2+ weeks cruising it leisurely on the Gulf Coast.  Enjoyed every minute.
C designed and constructed their cored hulls very well.  Unless some idiot 
drilled a hole through the core and didn't properly protect the core, there 
shouldn't be any issue.  Like you said, a good survey will tell.

Nuf said.
Dennis C.
Touche 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I’m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and 
currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII and a 
1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I’m told it all comes down to a good 
surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge please send them 
my way!) and I have to say I’m a bit apprehensive about a 30+ year old boat 
with cored hull and topsides. But I’m curious what others have to say about 
this topic or if there’s anything they might expand upon outside of what I’ve 
noted above.

Many thanks,
Chris


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Re: Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

My 45 year old C 35 doesn't have a cored hull but I'd sail it anywhere
anytime.  Raced it upwind in 20+ knot breeze and 4-6 foot seas.  Boat
basically said "Is that all you got?"

Spent 2+ weeks cruising it leisurely on the Gulf Coast.  Enjoyed every
minute.

C designed and constructed their cored hulls very well.  Unless some
idiot drilled a hole through the core and didn't properly protect the core,
there shouldn't be any issue.  Like you said, a good survey will tell.

Nuf said.

Dennis C.
Touche 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Hobson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and
> currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII
> and a 1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I’m told it all comes down
> to a good surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge
> please send them my way!) and I have to say I’m a bit apprehensive about a
> 30+ year old boat with cored hull and topsides. But I’m curious what others
> have to say about this topic or if there’s anything they might expand upon
> outside of what I’ve noted above.
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> Chris Hobson, Owner
> HobsonBuildsCo.com 
> ch...@hobsonbuildsco.com
> 416-436-1037
>
>
>
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Stus-List Vancouver Area C 35/36 search questions

[Chris Hobson via CnC-List]

I’m new to C world, recently narrowed down my boat search to a C and 
currently have my eye on two that are on the market: a 1986 C 35 MKIII and a 
1979 C 36. Have heard the good/bad and I’m told it all comes down to a good 
surveyor (if anyone knows a good surveyor with C knowledge please send them 
my way!) and I have to say I’m a bit apprehensive about a 30+ year old boat 
with cored hull and topsides. But I’m curious what others have to say about 
this topic or if there’s anything they might expand upon outside of what I’ve 
noted above.

Many thanks,
Chris

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Re: Stus-List Yanmar Key source; Epilogue-an inelegant solution

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 hi all I have found an unplanned solutionI was bemoaning my fate to the 
local boat yard operator who said, "we'll we have a box in the back here with 
all kinds of keys people have left over the years why don't you look through 
it?"   There were literally hundreds of keys, and while I didn't find a perfect 
match, I found several that were close enough to fit the Yanmar key slot and 
turn on the power...;   yahoo...back in business! 

 


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Re: Stus-List Cored hulls

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I say, "let the haters hate."  Keeps the price down for buyers and
upgraders.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Mar 25, 2016 11:51 AM, "Paul Baker via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Guy in this thread was interested in a C and without ever actually
> looking at one, seems to have discounted them based on fears of their cored
> hulls,
> http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-review-purchase-forum/246529-calling-all-vintage-c-c-owners-new-purchaser-query.html
> If there are any sailnetters that want to add their real-world experience,
> jump on in :)
> Cheers,
> Paul
>
> Orange Crush
> 1974 27 MkII
> Sidney, BC
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Re: Stus-List Helpful Vancouver Surveyors

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

I used Aegis Marine Surveyors in Vancouver last year. Timothy McGivney and
his partner Trevor Salmon.
It wasn't cheap, but a little cheaper than Ken Rorison's quote with travel
(ferry)... well worth the money in the end and I felt they did a good job.
I didn't meet Timothy (I couldn't attend the in-the-water day of the
survey) but did meet Trevor at the out of water survey. He explained
everything well, and when I sent some followup questions a month later to
even 6 months later, he replied quickly and with good advice. I also
realized I'm glad I went with a surveyor who has two guys working together
- there's a *lot* to get through in a boat and one person might not spend
as much time on it.

Did the mechanical survey with Stem to Stern in Vancouver (both Rorison and
McGivney recommended them) and they did a good job too.

-Patrick
1984 C LF38
Seattle, WA

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:13 PM,  wrote:

> From: Lee Youngblood 
> To: CnC-List 
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 17:06:16 -0700
> Subject: Stus-List Helpful Vancouver Surveyors
> Hi All,
>
> I’m looking for a few good, through surveyor recommendations in the
> Vancouver area.  I am not looking for a "doctor death”, but want a few good
> recommendations of folks that can explain things to a realistic owner, and
> not miss any 500$ issues.  In my experience the ability to actually explain
> things, trumps engineer heads "who know it all”.  If you have something bad
> to say, don’t put it on the list. . .
>
> Thanks for your help, Lee
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Stus-List Cored hulls

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

Guy in this thread was interested in a C and without ever actually looking at 
one, seems to have discounted them based on fears of their cored hulls, 
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-review-purchase-forum/246529-calling-all-vintage-c-c-owners-new-purchaser-query.html
If there are any sailnetters that want to add their real-world experience, jump 
on in :)
Cheers,
Paul

Orange Crush
1974 27 MkII
Sidney, BC
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Stus-List Marine Toilet installation for C 24

[Alex Wolfe via CnC-List]

The inspiring description of the plumbing job, if ever this adjective could be 
applied to such things, in the DIY section of the website, has galvanized me 
into readiness to do this on my own C& C 24.  I did, however, have a few 
questions, but the email link left by the owner/DIY plumber is no longer 
active. His name is Bob Skene, of C 24 ASTARTE of Dryden, ON.  Bob, are you 
out there? Thanks again for posting this project.
Alex WolfeShaka, C 24Miami, FL 

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Stus-List Hatch/companion way water leaks

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

Over the years between wear and tear and various instrument/wiring (mis) 
adventures, my sliding hatch has, I think, lost the guides that kept it in line 
as it slides over the fixed port light just forward and below it.
(Excuse my lack of nautical terms please.)

Anyway, and more importantly, this sliding hatch now leaks like a sieve when it 
rains and it is 'closed'--that is slid aft to the vertical hatch board.
Since whatever used to be there to both guide the sliding hatch and direct 
water away has long since disappeared, I am at a loss on both what to add as 
guides and where they should attach, etc. 

It looks like the entire fiberglass 'cover' over both the sliding hatch and
fixed port light needs removed in order to replace these 'guides', and this 
cover is attached with what looks like a 100 screws. 

Before I begin this disassembly, I'd like to know what was likely in place for 
these guides and what to replace them with and where to attach them. I do not 
think the guides were part of the sliding hatch itself but were attached to the 
boards (port and starboard) that the hatch slides on.

Any guidance from the list would be helpful.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb



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Re: Stus-List spring cleaning

[kelly petew via CnC-List]

 
For cleaning my topsides and deck, I use a solution of Dawn, Simple Green, and 
some granular TSP [a cup, or 8 ozs., maybe less].  With some scrubbing [bristle 
brush on end of mop handle], it gets rid of mold, bird droppings, etc.   I use 
poli-glo on my topsides and ablative paint on the bottom;  and this solution 
doesn't seem to cause a problem.   Fair Winds, Pete W. Siren SongC 
30-2Deltaville, Va. Message: 6
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 18:59:54 -0700
From: Fred Hazzard 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List spring cleaning
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I am getting ready to clean the deck of my C   Beyond the normal winter
smegma of jet exhaust and green slime, this year I have stains from bottom
paint dust from the sanding of bottoms in the boat yard.   The deck is gel
coat and the hull is painted with Imron.  Looking for suggestions for some
magic cleaning solution to clean the deck.

Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
C 44
Portland, Or. ___

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Re: Stus-List Yanmar Key source

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Thanks for all the creative input on the keys...and I thought I was the only 
one who lost a key! Thanks! 

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB, Ohio River Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush
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Re: Stus-List Running linesaft to cockpit on C 34 - locating rope clutches

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

On my 30-1, I have done the following:

 

A Garhauer solid vang assembly – the adjustment line goes to a block at the 
base of the mast, centered at the aft of the mast partners, then to a fairlead 
attached to the companionway hood and to a rope clutch (the inner slot of a 
quad) at the port side of the companionway.

 

On the port side of the mast, I have an external spinnaker halyard which goes 
through a block attached to the partner ring, then to a triple line organizer 
then back to the outer slot of the quad. Next are the two jib halyards which 
exit the side of the mast and go to blocks on the ring, through the organizer 
and then to the middle two slots in the quad. An Anderson winch is centered 
toward the left side of the quad to give the two jib halyards the best angle 
toward the winch.

 

On the starboard side, I have the main halyard as the inner line through a 
double line deck organizer to a Garhauer rope clutch (the triple wasn’t strong 
enough to hold it tightly). The pole topping lift goes through a block at the 
base of the mast and then to the outer slot in the organizer and to the inner 
slot in a double line clutch, next to the single Garhauer. The pole downhaul 
goes through a block in the center of the foredeck, then through two fairleads 
on the cabin side to the outer slot in the double. There is another Anderson 
winch on that side. 

 

This works well for shorthanded racing (the outhaul and reef lines are on the 
side of the boom with a little winch) and cruising. With larger crew and 
someone wanting to be attached to each line, it gets busy in the cockpit – I 
could have left the pole lift and downhaul on the mast with a small winch.

 

Gary Nylander

30-1

 

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Means 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running linesaft to cockpit on C 34 - locating rope 
clutches

 

Hey all - 

 

Thanks so much for all your insight! If anyone has time and inclination I’d 
love to see any examples of your running rigging, especially anything where 
you’re running reefing lines or topping lifts from the boom back to the mast 
and aft to the cockpit.

 

Charlie I like your idea of running low-load lines to the hatch cover assembly, 
I’ll look into that feasibility.

 

Dennis thanks for the insight about winch placement, we’re definitely going to 
be taking that into consideration.

 

Whomever noticed was right, we currently don’t have a vang setup. It’s on the 
list. 

-- 
Andrew Means
S.V. Safari

Seattle, WA

 

On March 24, 2016 at 9:08:40 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List (cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 ) wrote:

Charlie, I agree.  I also have two Spinlock Cam Cleats inboard of my rope 
clutches for the Cunningham and outhaul, two low load lines.

http://www.apsltd.com/hardware/cleats-clutches/cam-cleats-accessories/spinlock-cam-cleats-accessories.html

These are really nice but one tip.  If they aren't very near the bulkhead, you 
need to elevate them a bit.  The line needs to be pulled slightly downward to 
cleat it.  If they are too far forward, you can't get the downward angle to get 
them to cleat.  Mine are on StarBoard pads.

Also, I use one for my clew reefing line.  It's on the side of the boom.  Very 
easy to yank the reefing line and cleat it.  Also very easy to shake out the 
reef.

 

As I said in an earlier post, I don't like these for a vang.  They sometimes 
don't release quickly under load and can re-cleat when you don't want.  
Otherwise, I like them.

Dennis C.

 

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
 > wrote:

Another alternative to consider is something like my 36 XL/kcb was rigged by 
the factory or the Harve de Grace yard--not sure which.

 

4 of the relatively low-load control lines rigged on Water Phantom (Cunningham, 
vang, topping lift and outhaul) can be run to cam-cleats like the Harken 150 
which can be mounted on the hatch cover assembly. This reduces the need for 
using winches or rope clutches on any of them and puts them in the control of 
the pit for racing.

 

Of course, it does require some additional purchase on these lines (except for 
the topping lift) but this purchase can be rigged forward of these cleats (mast 
for Cunningham, inside boom for outhaul). Most vangs already have plenty of 
purchase built in.

 

This reduced the need for my cabin top winches so that I can do with only 2 (of 
the original 4) for the halyards (main, jib, spin port and starboard and the 
all important center board pennant-which has a 3-1 purchase built in.

 

Charlie Nelson

Water Phantom

C 36 XL/kcb

 

 

 

cenel...@aol.com  

 

 


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Re: Stus-List Yanmar Key source

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

124070-91290 - Yanmar Ignition Switch Key, 2 Pack


$14.75 each 



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> On Mar 24, 2016, at 5:08 PM, "Richard N. Bush via CnC-List" 
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> I find myself in need of a replacement key for my engine...a Yanmar, I know 
> (or at least I think) they are interchangeable, like golf cart keys...anyone 
> know of an inexpensive source?
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> Richard
> 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596
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> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar Key source

[David via CnC-List]

When my key broke off in the on position I just left and use the battery switch 
to activate ignition.   I have done it for years.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 22:20:47 +
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar Key source
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: lpaalc...@yahoo.com
> 
> flat blade screwdriver or any key that fit.  (there are no pins inside, just 
> a slot)
> 
> Leslie.
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Stus-List Stus List - Precision Sail Loft

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Guys, I don't know if anyone might be interested but, I just got an email 
from these guys saying they are doing a 20% off on the higher end sails.  i.e. 
400 and 500 series. They have also posted loads of video on Youtube showing the 
details of many of their sails. Obviously, I have not flown mine yet so I can't 
speak to design other than it's all done in software now anyway. I have no 
affiliation with this sail loft other than buying a sail from them.  This is 
just an FYI. They say 4-6 weeks delivery on custom sails.  That would be my 
experience too. Anyway,  my boat was supposed to be finish painted Wednesday!!! 
 I can't wait to see her!!  I saw her Tuesday in primer, ready for paint.  She 
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar Key source

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

Fleabay has a few options for a replacement yanmar ignition switch in the $25 
or less range, some marked marine. I don't see anything marine grade about the 
original ignition switch on my C 33.
Brad
"Pulse"
Lake Huron


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