Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

We’ll need to discuss over a beer the finer points of what “comes with” a 
35-year old custom boat.  And I didn’t just remove water ballast, I replaced a 
lot of it with West System (more than a teak table’s worth, I might add), 
followed by 8-10 coats of Interprotect.  But I digress.

From: coltrek via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: coltrek 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Haha, nice try counselor. I think the rule  reads, whatever came with a boat,  
stock. You did, however, remove a lot of water ballast that came with the 
boat... okay, that didn't come with the  boat. 



Regards, 

Bill Coleman 
C 39


 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List"  
Date: 10/11/17 21:33 (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford"  
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 


My table hasn’t been on board since I bought the boat.  I guess I’m 
grandfathered.  You, on the other hand...

From: coltrek via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: coltrek 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Mine too -
I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our boats, can we!.

Bill Coleman
C 39


 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List"  
Date: 10/11/17 14:02 (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford"  
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 


I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my 
basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it.

Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Hi Lisle and also others

I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  Very nice 
layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a 
spinnaker more arduous.

Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table down 
and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very similar to a 
fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to get by but also 
more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not think it matters all 
that much which you have

The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most 
weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for 
several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest 
of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  Once they got older 
they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was 
less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom 
options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area.  
I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying 
overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth.  The 
downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be 
more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan.

Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for the 
two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else).  
A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at 
night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.

These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with 
small children for the two layouts you had mentioned

Mike

Persistence

1987 Frers 33

Halifax, NS



On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD  wrote:

  Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.

   

   

   

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8

   

   

  Thanks,

   

  Lisle



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Re: Stus-List 1983 c 40 std rig spreaders

[coltrek via CnC-List]

If there is enough meat left on them, you might be able to just build up what's 
missing with filler aluminum weld. Otherwise, just cut them off and weld some 
more aluminum on, either 5000 series marine-grade, or 6061. You should be able 
to whittle it back into shape, aluminum isn't that much harder to work with 
than wood.


Regards,
Bill Coleman  C 39

 Original message 
From: PETE via CnC-List  
Date: 10/11/17  12:51  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: PETE  
Subject: Stus-List 1983 c 40 std rig spreaders 

Hello all
Just had rig pulled  and lower spreader tips are severely corroded  upon 
removal by yard   there are chunks missing   
my  rigger has not looked at them yet
My questions are:1.  can they be re-tipped2.  does anyone know where they can 
purchased if replacement needed
thanks
PETERPortland, meGoonie Island  1983 aft cabin


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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[coltrek via CnC-List]

Haha, nice try counselor. I think the rule  reads, whatever came with a boat,  
stock. You did, however, remove a lot of water ballast that came with the 
boat... okay, that didn't come with the  boat. 


Regards,
Bill Coleman  C 39

 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List"  
Date: 10/11/17  21:33  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford"  
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 




My table hasn’t been on board since I bought the boat.  I guess I’m 
grandfathered.  You, on the other hand...


 

From: coltrek via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: coltrek 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 
vs Tartan 31
 

Mine too -
I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our boats, can 
we!.

 
Bill Coleman
C 39

 Original message 
From: 
"Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List"  
Date: 
10/11/17 14:02 (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. 
Wolford"  
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about 
cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 




I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting 
in my basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to 
miss it.
 
Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.


 

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 
vs Tartan 31
 


Hi 
Lisle and also others
I 
think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  
Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes 
packing a spinnaker more arduous.
Our 
current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table 
down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very 
similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to 
get by but also more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not 
think it matters all that much which you have
The 
BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 
most weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did 
this for several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which 
left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  
Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the 
settees which was less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you 
have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin 
free for a common area.  I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more 
flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open 
quarterberth.  The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the 
C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the 
Tartan.
Our 
first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for 
the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one 
else).  A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be 
folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful 
surface.
These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about 
spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had 
mentioned
Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 
33
Halifax, 
NS


On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, 
Lisle Kingery, PhD  
wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Thanks for all the helpful 
  replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices 
down 
  to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior 
  appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the 
fixed 
  table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock 
  with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better 
  with the kids. comparison pics link below.
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
   
   
  Thanks,
   
  Lisle

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Re: Stus-List C 37 Centerboard

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I propose we all bring our boats to Rick's place. We can have biweekly C 
rendezvous all winter!
I'm seriously tempted. Let's discuss bringing Peregrine down for next year, 
Rick...if you can accommodate 7 1/2'.

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 21:53, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Trekkie, Trekker, it’s just another example of the Vulcan principal of 
> infinite diversity in infinite combinations.
>  
> And you can avoid the winter depression by bringing Enterprise down to 
> Washington. I’ll find you a slip close to Imzadi, you can come down and sail 
> Enterprise on weekends (think high 60s on New Year’s Day), and it will  cost 
> a lot less for the slip than for your haul out and winter storage.
>  
> Live Long and Prosper,
>  
> Rick Brass
> Washington, NC
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd 
> Schillay via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:47 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Edd Schillay 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 37 Centerboard
>  
> As I understand it, fans of the original series (Kirk, Spock) called 
> themselves Trekkies throughout the 60’s, 70’s and most of the 80’s. When The 
> Next Generation (Picard, Riker) gained steam, those fans called themselves 
> Trekkies as well, much to the dismay of the original series fans, who 
> consider the more “pure”. 
>  
> So, the fans of the original show, the more pure version of Trek, started 
> calling themselves Trekkers to distinguish themselves from the others. 
>  
> Forgive me for going off topic. Hauling the boat for the winter tomorrow and 
> need to deal with the depression. 
>  
> Edd M Schillay (Trekker)
> C 37+ | Starship Enterprise 
> NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
>  
>  
> On Oct 10, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> As long as he lives long and prospers, I think he’s ok with it..
> Chuck G.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 10, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Um…. I think Ken may have meant “Trekker”…   :^)
>  
> From Wikipedia:
>  
> There is considerable disagreement among Star Trek fans over whether to use 
> the term Trekkie or Trekker. Some say that Trekkie is "frequently 
> depreciative", thus, "not an acceptable term to serious fans", who prefer 
> Trekker.
>  
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>  
> On Oct 10, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
> Don't worry, we still hold you in high esteem, and you are still our 
> favourite Trekkie.
>  
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Re: Stus-List 1983 c 40 std rig spreaders

[Robbie Epstein via CnC-List]

I had the same problem on my 1980 C 40.  Zern Rigging in Pensacola, FL has a 
machine shop, and they retipped the spreader ends.  They are beefier now than 
stock, and will probably outlive the boat. He went through all the possible 
speaker tip vendors looking for something that could be readily adapted to the 
spreader tips, but it was finally clear that cutting the corroded ends off, 
machining some new parts, and welding them on was by far the most cost 
effective all around.  Especially considering the cost of new rod ends and 
hardware required to adapt to the fancy new styles.

Robbie Epstein
Thorfinn, C 40
Fort Walton Beach, FL

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 4:33 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Re: Stus-List 1983 c 40 std rig spreaders


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Re: Stus-List C 37 Centerboard

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Trekkie, Trekker, it’s just another example of the Vulcan principal of infinite 
diversity in infinite combinations.

 

And you can avoid the winter depression by bringing Enterprise down to 
Washington. I’ll find you a slip close to Imzadi, you can come down and sail 
Enterprise on weekends (think high 60s on New Year’s Day), and it will  cost a 
lot less for the slip than for your haul out and winter storage.

 

Live Long and Prosper,

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 37 Centerboard

 

As I understand it, fans of the original series (Kirk, Spock) called themselves 
Trekkies throughout the 60’s, 70’s and most of the 80’s. When The Next 
Generation (Picard, Riker) gained steam, those fans called themselves Trekkies 
as well, much to the dismay of the original series fans, who consider the more 
“pure”. 

 

So, the fans of the original show, the more pure version of Trek, started 
calling themselves Trekkers to distinguish themselves from the others. 

 

Forgive me for going off topic. Hauling the boat for the winter tomorrow and 
need to deal with the depression. 

 

Edd M Schillay (Trekker)

C 37+ | Starship Enterprise 

NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY

 

 

On Oct 10, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
 > wrote:

As long as he lives long and prospers, I think he’s ok with it..

Chuck G.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 10, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 > wrote:

Um…. I think Ken may have meant “Trekker”…   :^)

 

>From Wikipedia:

 

There is considerable disagreement among Star Trek fans over whether to use the 
term Trekkie or Trekker. Some say that Trekkie is "frequently depreciative", 
thus, "not an acceptable term to serious fans", who prefer Trekker.

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

 

On Oct 10, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  > wrote:

 

Don't worry, we still hold you in high esteem, and you are still our favourite 
Trekkie.

 

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Re: Stus-List Cetol Natural Teak vs Cetol Marine

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

And for comparison, Jerrod Milton on my crew made an awesome set of custom teak 
drink holders for Grenadine’s cockpit and cabintop (inboard of her dorade 
boxes).  These he insisted on treating only with teak oil.  And they have 
weathered some in the course of just one season.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes.  This past spring for Grenadine’s new cabintop handrails, and for 
> refinishing her traveler bar and taffrails, I used 3-5 coats Cetol Marine 
> Natural Teak followed by 2-3 coats of Cetol Marine Gloss.  I liked the color 
> and finish of the result - it looks pretty natural.  I’m only six months in 
> but so far they’ve held up great in the high-altitude Colorado sun and dry 
> air.
> 
> Pictures here:
> * https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTODJaQ05YR3lpNzQ (after 
> finishing, before installing)
> * https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTa09zUTcxSC1QQWc (traveler bar 
> and taffrails, in use)
> * https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTNnZ0VUFSNWhNT2M (cabintop 
> handrails installed, in use)
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:47 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cetol come in 4 formulations; Marine, Gloss, Light and now Natural Teak.
>> 
>> Touche's teak has 5 coats of Cetol Marine followed by an indeterminate 
>> number of coats of Cetol Gloss, applied twice a year.  It still looks good 
>> after many years but, at some point, it will need to be redone.  Maybe 
>> another couple years.
>> 
>> I tried the Cetol Light formulation once but it didn't seem to last as long 
>> as the Cetol Marine.  Has any lister tried the Natural Teak?  How's the 
>> color compare to Cetol Marine?  Longevity?
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Cetol Natural Teak vs Cetol Marine

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I used natural teak on The Office. It looked ok and held up well but I’m
now a fan of Epiphanes fast drying varnish. Comes in clear and tinted.

Joel

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:47 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Cetol come in 4 formulations; Marine, Gloss, Light and now Natural Teak.
>
> Touche's teak has 5 coats of Cetol Marine followed by an indeterminate
> number of coats of Cetol Gloss, applied twice a year.  It still looks good
> after many years but, at some point, it will need to be redone.  Maybe
> another couple years.
>
> I tried the Cetol Light formulation once but it didn't seem to last as
> long as the Cetol Marine.  Has any lister tried the Natural Teak?  How's
> the color compare to Cetol Marine?  Longevity?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Cetol Natural Teak vs Cetol Marine

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Yes.  This past spring for Grenadine’s new cabintop handrails, and for 
refinishing her traveler bar and taffrails, I used 3-5 coats Cetol Marine 
Natural Teak followed by 2-3 coats of Cetol Marine Gloss.  I liked the color 
and finish of the result - it looks pretty natural.  I’m only six months in but 
so far they’ve held up great in the high-altitude Colorado sun and dry air.

Pictures here:
* https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTODJaQ05YR3lpNzQ (after 
finishing, before installing)
* https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTa09zUTcxSC1QQWc (traveler bar 
and taffrails, in use)
* https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTNnZ0VUFSNWhNT2M (cabintop 
handrails installed, in use)

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:47 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Cetol come in 4 formulations; Marine, Gloss, Light and now Natural Teak.
> 
> Touche's teak has 5 coats of Cetol Marine followed by an indeterminate number 
> of coats of Cetol Gloss, applied twice a year.  It still looks good after 
> many years but, at some point, it will need to be redone.  Maybe another 
> couple years.
> 
> I tried the Cetol Light formulation once but it didn't seem to last as long 
> as the Cetol Marine.  Has any lister tried the Natural Teak?  How's the color 
> compare to Cetol Marine?  Longevity?
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

My table hasn’t been on board since I bought the boat.  I guess I’m 
grandfathered.  You, on the other hand...

From: coltrek via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: coltrek 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Mine too -
I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our boats, can we!.

Bill Coleman
C 39


 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List"  
Date: 10/11/17 14:02 (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford"  
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 


I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my 
basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it.

Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Hi Lisle and also others

I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  Very nice 
layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a 
spinnaker more arduous.

Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table down 
and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very similar to a 
fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to get by but also 
more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not think it matters all 
that much which you have

The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most 
weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for 
several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest 
of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  Once they got older 
they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was 
less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom 
options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area.  
I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying 
overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth.  The 
downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be 
more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan.

Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for the 
two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else).  
A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at 
night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.

These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with 
small children for the two layouts you had mentioned

Mike

Persistence

1987 Frers 33

Halifax, NS



On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD  wrote:

  Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.

   

   

   

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8

   

   

  Thanks,

   

  Lisle



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Stus-List Cetol Natural Teak vs Cetol Marine

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Cetol come in 4 formulations; Marine, Gloss, Light and now Natural Teak.

Touche's teak has 5 coats of Cetol Marine followed by an indeterminate
number of coats of Cetol Gloss, applied twice a year.  It still looks good
after many years but, at some point, it will need to be redone.  Maybe
another couple years.

I tried the Cetol Light formulation once but it didn't seem to last as long
as the Cetol Marine.  Has any lister tried the Natural Teak?  How's the
color compare to Cetol Marine?  Longevity?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List 1983 c 40 std rig spreaders

[PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List]

Thanks for info 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 8:20 PM, Mike Brannon via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had my spreaders re-tipped at one time.   A local guy did it.I now do 
> rigging work and have a local machinist who is able to fabricate spreaders.   
> Your rigger should know someone who does that sort of work.   
> 
> Sail Safe,
> 
> Mike. 
> Virginia Lee, 1978 C 31-1 CB
> Virginia Beach, VA
> 
> Sent from my iPad Mini
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:51, PETE via CnC-List  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> Just had rig pulled  and lower spreader tips are severely corroded  upon 
>> removal by yard   there are chunks missing   
>> 
>> my  rigger has not looked at them yet
>> 
>> My questions are:
>> 1.  can they be re-tipped
>> 2.  does anyone know where they can purchased if replacement needed
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> PETER
>> Portland, me
>> Goonie Island  1983 aft cabin
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Chart Light...

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Probably a BA9S mini bayonet base.

http://store.marinebeam.com/ba9s-miniature-bayonet/

Dennis C.

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 4:32 PM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> So I have the old school wand chart light with a little light bulb (3/4"
> long single bayonet) giving very little light.  In fact I never use it.
> But it is there and working and I was wondering instead of the BS of
> replacing and moving the wiring to accommodate  the fixture (which I
> already have) has anyone replaced this very small bulb with a much brighter
> equivalent?
>
>
> I started searching and its a internet rabbit hole out there with specs,
> lumens etc.
>
>
> As always...thanks in advance.
>
>
> 1981 40-2
>
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Re: Stus-List Chart Light...

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Having replaced most of the bulbs in our 37/40+ with Less, the steps are as 
follows:
1.  Identify the bulb by number of possible and look up an equivalent LED.
2.  If there is no number stamped in the bulb base, identify the base and 
number by pixtures/drawings.  For those bulbs with 2 contacts in the base, you 
need to figure out if the contacts are +/- or +/+ with the base providing the 
ground.  This will lead to a number that you can then use to find the LED 
equivalent.
3.  If you want red, put a red bulb behind a red lens, not a white LED.  The 
lense will then not be trying to filter the red spectrum light out of the 
white, and the red will be brighter.
4.  Figure out the incandescent lumens by wattage and double the lumens for 
LEDs to account for the increased brightness you are looking for.  Aging eyes 
and or expected use may cause you to increase the lumens more.
Buy the cheap ones on Amazon.  They'll probably come in a pack of 2 or more, 
and what you lose in quality you make up in quantity.  That argument does not 
hold up for navigation lights and up the mast where safety, operational quality 
and consistency are more important than a few bucks.
Hope this helps,
Bruce Whitmore 1994 C  37/40÷ "Astralis"
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: David via CnC-List 
 Date: 10/11/17  5:32 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: CNC CNC 
 Cc: David  Subject: Stus-List 
Chart Light... 


So I have the old school wand chart light with a little light bulb (3/4" long 
single bayonet) giving very little light.  In fact I never use it.  But it is 
there and working and I was wondering instead of the BS of replacing and moving 
the wiring to accommodate 
 the fixture (which I already have) has anyone replaced this very small bulb 
with a much brighter equivalent?



I started searching and its a internet rabbit hole out there with specs, lumens 
etc.



As always...thanks in advance.





1981 40-2



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Re: Stus-List Chart Light...

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I did. Works substantially better (and uses much less current). A small picture 
included, but I am not sure if it would go through).

[cid:image001.jpg@01D342CF.080316C0]

I bought it from this guy: http://www.marineledscanada.ca/

I am not sure though, if you have the same reading (charts) light as I do. But 
you can send him an email and he should figure this out.

Marek

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 17:33
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Subject: Stus-List Chart Light...


So I have the old school wand chart light with a little light bulb (3/4" long 
single bayonet) giving very little light.  In fact I never use it.  But it is 
there and working and I was wondering instead of the BS of replacing and moving 
the wiring to accommodate  the fixture (which I already have) has anyone 
replaced this very small bulb with a much brighter equivalent?



I started searching and its a internet rabbit hole out there with specs, lumens 
etc.



As always...thanks in advance.



1981 40-2
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[coltrek via CnC-List]

Mine too -I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our 
boats, can we!.
Bill ColemanC 39

 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List"  
Date: 10/11/17  14:02  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford"  
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 




I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting 
in my basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to 
miss it.
 
Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.


 

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 
vs Tartan 31
 


Hi 
Lisle and also others
I 
think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  
Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes 
packing a spinnaker more arduous.
Our 
current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table 
down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very 
similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to 
get by but also more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not 
think it matters all that much which you have
The 
BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 
most weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did 
this for several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which 
left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  
Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the 
settees which was less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you 
have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin 
free for a common area.  I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more 
flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open 
quarterberth.  The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the 
C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the 
Tartan.
Our 
first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for 
the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one 
else).  A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be 
folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful 
surface.
These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about 
spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had 
mentioned
Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 
33
Halifax, 
NS


On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, 
Lisle Kingery, PhD  
wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Thanks for all the helpful 
  replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices 
down 
  to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior 
  appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the 
fixed 
  table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock 
  with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better 
  with the kids. comparison pics link below.
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
   
   
  Thanks,
   
  Lisle


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Re: Stus-List 1983 c 40 std rig spreaders

[Mike Brannon via CnC-List]

I had my spreaders re-tipped at one time.   A local guy did it.I now do 
rigging work and have a local machinist who is able to fabricate spreaders.   
Your rigger should know someone who does that sort of work.   

Sail Safe,

Mike. 
Virginia Lee, 1978 C 31-1 CB
Virginia Beach, VA

Sent from my iPad Mini

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:51, PETE via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Hello all
> 
> Just had rig pulled  and lower spreader tips are severely corroded  upon 
> removal by yard   there are chunks missing   
> 
> my  rigger has not looked at them yet
> 
> My questions are:
> 1.  can they be re-tipped
> 2.  does anyone know where they can purchased if replacement needed
> 
> thanks
> 
> PETER
> Portland, me
> Goonie Island  1983 aft cabin
> 
> 
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Stus-List Chart Light...

[David via CnC-List]

So I have the old school wand chart light with a little light bulb (3/4" long 
single bayonet) giving very little light.  In fact I never use it.  But it is 
there and working and I was wondering instead of the BS of replacing and moving 
the wiring to accommodate  the fixture (which I already have) has anyone 
replaced this very small bulb with a much brighter equivalent?


I started searching and its a internet rabbit hole out there with specs, lumens 
etc.


As always...thanks in advance.


1981 40-2
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Re: Stus-List 1983 c 40 std rig spreaders

[PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List]

Thanks will check it out 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:58 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Might be a Klacko.  See if it matches one of these:
> 
> http://www.klackospars.com/services/mast-extrusions.html
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:36 PM, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> It just says C spars on the side  of the mast saw no other names
>> 
>> Hopefully rigger might know 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Depending on the shape, rigrite or Dwyer Mast may have them.  If they were 
>>> made by a rigging vendor still in business, they might have them.
>>> 
>>> The key will be identifying the original manufacturer.
>>> 
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>> 
 On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:51 AM, PETE via CnC-List 
  wrote:
 Hello all
 
 Just had rig pulled  and lower spreader tips are severely corroded  upon 
 removal by yard   there are chunks missing   
 
 my  rigger has not looked at them yet
 
 My questions are:
 1.  can they be re-tipped
 2.  does anyone know where they can purchased if replacement needed
 
 thanks
 
 PETER
 Portland, me
 Goonie Island  1983 aft cabin
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List 1983 c 40 std rig spreaders

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Might be a Klacko.  See if it matches one of these:

http://www.klackospars.com/services/mast-extrusions.html

Dennis C.

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:36 PM, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It just says C spars on the side  of the mast saw no other names
>
> Hopefully rigger might know
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Depending on the shape, rigrite or Dwyer Mast may have them.  If they were
> made by a rigging vendor still in business, they might have them.
>
> The key will be identifying the original manufacturer.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:51 AM, PETE via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
>> Hello all
>>
>> Just had rig pulled  and lower spreader tips are severely corroded  upon
>> removal by yard   there are chunks missing
>>
>> my  rigger has not looked at them yet
>>
>> My questions are:
>> 1.  can they be re-tipped
>> 2.  does anyone know where they can purchased if replacement needed
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> PETER
>> Portland, me
>> Goonie Island  1983 aft cabin
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List LED Interior Flourescent replacements

[Chad Osmond via CnC-List]

If you're a little more DIY, you can buy 3x of these:
https://www.ledsupply.com/leds/cree-xlamp-xm-l2-leds

and one of these at 1000ma
https://www.ledsupply.com/led-drivers/buckblock-dc-led-driver

Hook them up, the result is a nice warm light, with ample brightness, and 1
amp power draw.
They are bright, and will add a lot more light then the previous florescent
lights.

Chad

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:20 AM, bobmor99 . via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I replaced each fixture with a pair of these:
> https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/swivel-led/135-
> swivel-utility-led-light-bar-with-rocker-switch/1434/4518/#
> /attributes/10854
> They were not available in the warm color so I got the "natural" color
> which was fairly harsh.
>
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> The marine beam option is what I went with.  The boat came with more than
>> a dozen tube fixtures (most of which were double tubes) and at ~$30 a
>> tube it wasn't cheap.  For the most part they are plug and play though the
>> directions do suggest bypassing the ballast/starter circuit.  I didn't
>> bypass and haven't had any trouble.  I will strongly suggest the warm white
>> varient and advise that the light still has a bit of the LED harshness, not
>> the inviting glow of an incandescent.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2017 10:36 AM, "kelly petew via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have any experiences to share with replacing your original
>> fluorescents with LEDs?
>>
>> Is it simply 'plug & play', i.e., old tube out, new LED tube into the
>> existing fixture??
>>
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>>
>> Pete W.
>>
>>
>> Siren Song
>>
>> '91 C 30-2
>>
>> Deltaville, Va.
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Re: Stus-List 1983 c 40 std rig spreaders

[PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List]

It just says C spars on the side  of the mast saw no other names

Hopefully rigger might know 

Thanks

Peter

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Depending on the shape, rigrite or Dwyer Mast may have them.  If they were 
> made by a rigging vendor still in business, they might have them.
> 
> The key will be identifying the original manufacturer.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:51 AM, PETE via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> Hello all
>> 
>> Just had rig pulled  and lower spreader tips are severely corroded  upon 
>> removal by yard   there are chunks missing   
>> 
>> my  rigger has not looked at them yet
>> 
>> My questions are:
>> 1.  can they be re-tipped
>> 2.  does anyone know where they can purchased if replacement needed
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> PETER
>> Portland, me
>> Goonie Island  1983 aft cabin
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List 1983 c 40 std rig spreaders

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Depending on the shape, rigrite or Dwyer Mast may have them.  If they were
made by a rigging vendor still in business, they might have them.

The key will be identifying the original manufacturer.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:51 AM, PETE via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hello all
>
> Just had rig pulled  and lower spreader tips are severely corroded  upon
> removal by yard   there are chunks missing
>
> my  rigger has not looked at them yet
>
> My questions are:
> 1.  can they be re-tipped
> 2.  does anyone know where they can purchased if replacement needed
>
> thanks
>
> PETER
> Portland, me
> Goonie Island  1983 aft cabin
>
>
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

One other item no one has mentioned. The aft head. Priceless. Good use of
space and perfect for hanging wet clothes shed at the bottom of the
companionway. The toilet faces fore and aft so is good on either tack.
Additionally, having the head forward (as is shown in the Tartan),
essentially in the vee berth is not pleasant IMO. 99% of all heads smell to
a certain degree, no matter how new the hoses, how regular you change the
joker valve etc. Having the head forward also means the holding tank is
likely under the vee berth. With the aft head on the 30-2 it is underneath
the false floor in the starboard locker, outside of the cabin for all
intents and purposes. Not sure I would consider a boat with only a forward
head. My 2cents.

And everything that Jim said about his 30-2. +1 to all of that.

Kevin
30-2
Portland, OR

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:03 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting in
> my basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to
> miss it.
>
> Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.
>
> *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs
> Tartan 31
>
>
> Hi Lisle and also others
>
> I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend
> to use the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.
> Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table
> makes packing a spinnaker more arduous.
>
> Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26
> (most Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the
> table down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very
> similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to
> get by but also more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not
> think it matters all that much which you have
>
> The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a
> quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26
> most weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did
> this for several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which
> left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.
> Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on
> the settees which was less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout
> you have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main
> cabin free for a common area.  I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords
> more flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with
> an open quarterberth.  The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth
> on the C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the
> Tartan.
>
> Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for
> the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one
> else).  A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be
> folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.
>
> These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard
> with small children for the two layouts you had mentioned
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> 1987 Frers 33
>
> Halifax, NS
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty
> much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at
> this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table
> mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be
> day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm
> thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison
> pics link below.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Lisle
>
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

 
A couple of comments here.
 
First, I can confirm that the chainplates on the 30-2 are mounted to the 
bulkhead behind the settee cushion rather than to the hull itself.  However, 
the load is transferred by a beefy aluminum casting, the bulkhead is quite 
thick and the casting is secured by 5 or 6 large bolts.  The advantage of this 
design is that you can actually remove the chainplates for rebedding with 
relative ease.  I did it last year, not a bad job at all.  Mine came with 
access panels in that area that don't look original, not sure if there is a way 
to get the nuts off otherwise.
 
Regarding the table, I have owned boats with both types of layout.  My Catalina 
27 had the bulkhead folding table, and I currently have a 30-2.   My daughter, 
now 11, has always considered the V-berth "her room" and spends most of her 
time there when we are at the dock, so the table does not matter.   The thing 
that we have found is that the table on the 30-2 still has some value with both 
leaves folded down.  At the dock, it is wide enough for a glass or can to be 
placed on it.  The problem with the bulkhead mount table is that it is all or 
nothing, and with it folded up there is no place for the people in the middle 
of the settees to place anything.  I also think that the curved settee in a 
dinette layout is much more comfortable for conversation.  With the settee's 
full, we always felt like we were sitting in a hallway on the Catalina.  
 
Good luck with your decision.  I feel like you can't really go wrong, but I 
also love my 30-2 and never regretted buying her.  I also think Mike is spot on 
about the aft cabin, that really makes a difference.  
 
Regards,
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 "Firewater"
Milwaukee, WI
 
- Original Message - Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about 
cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31
From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" 
Date: 10/11/17 10:52 am
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" 

  Hi Lisle and also others
 I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to 
use the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  Very nice 
layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a 
spinnaker more arduous.
 Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table down 
and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very similar to a 
fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to get by but also 
more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not think it matters all 
that much which you have
 The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most 
weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for 
several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest 
of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  Once they got older 
they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was 
less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom 
options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area.  
I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying 
overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth.  The 
downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be 
more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan.
 Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for the 
two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else).  
A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at 
night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.
 These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with 
small children for the two layouts you had mentioned
 Mike
 Persistence
 1987 Frers 33
 Halifax, NS
 
 
 On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD  
wrote:
  Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty 
much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at 
this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table 
mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be 
day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking 
the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.
 


 

  
 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Lisle
 



 
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my 
basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it.

Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Hi Lisle and also others

I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  Very nice 
layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a 
spinnaker more arduous.

Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table down 
and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very similar to a 
fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to get by but also 
more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not think it matters all 
that much which you have

The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most 
weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for 
several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest 
of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  Once they got older 
they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was 
less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom 
options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area.  
I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying 
overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth.  The 
downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be 
more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan.

Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for the 
two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else).  
A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at 
night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.

These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with 
small children for the two layouts you had mentioned

Mike

Persistence

1987 Frers 33

Halifax, NS



On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD  wrote:

  Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.

   

   

   

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8

   

   

  Thanks,

   

  Lisle




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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Lisle and also others
I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  Very nice 
layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a 
spinnaker more arduous.
Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table down 
and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very similar to a 
fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to get by but also 
more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not think it matters all 
that much which you have
The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most 
weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for 
several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest 
of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  Once they got older 
they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was 
less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom 
options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area.  
I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying 
overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth.  The 
downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be 
more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan.
Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for the 
two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else).  
A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at 
night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.
These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with 
small children for the two layouts you had mentioned
Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS

On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD 
> wrote:
Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.



https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8


Thanks,

Lisle
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

We happen to have owned a C 1980 30-1 dinette for the last dozen years
and still own and love her, and also now own a 1994 Tartan 31. The older
30-1 isn't the same as the 30-2, but the dinette vs foldup, etc., and some
other issues seem the same.

The Tartan does have bulkhead mounted chainplates, visible both sides. They
seem strong and adequate to me at least, and we've done heavy weather
sailing across 100 miles of the middle of Lake Superior. The C is tough,
and the dinette is lovely as there's always a place to sit and set a book,
laptop, or cup of coffee down. The Tartan table we often leave halfdown
(one side folded) at anchor or slip, to get somewhat the same function. The
Tartan has dramatically better engine and drive train access (I've had to
pull the older C transmission and engine from under the cockpit myself
... to replace failing rubber drivetrain seals). The Tartan doesn't point
quite as high as the amazing C, and is more tender than the wonderfully
stiff 30-1. The Tartan is also nearly a full knot faster under sail or
power, which compensates for the wider tacking angle. The Tartan has a much
better galley, head, more useable cockpit, and amazingly well-insulated
refrigerator.  Our Tartan came with lovely all-Harken big stainless winches
(:-)). Our Tartan has a Westerbeke 18hp which does not leak, and the older
C has the Yanmar 2qm15 which has always leaked oil in spite of my many
efforts.

Our Tartan had extra teak cabinets and teak paneling added as factory
options when built, so it is like a wonderfully warm old English den down
below, which instantly sold my other half on the bigger pricetag. My
favorite thing is that the (opening) ports are real, not glued in windows
(30-1) that leak even after redoing

Nate Flesness
Sarah Jean
C 1980 30-1
Lake St. Croix (River), Hudson WI

Valhalla
1994 Tartan 31
SIskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior
(sadly pulling her Friday.)

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty
> much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at
> this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table
> mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be
> day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm
> thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison
> pics link below.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Lisle
>
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Lisle,

For what it’s worth... My kids are the same age as yours (girl, boy), and we 
got our boat this summer, so they are completely new to sailing. I can tell you 
from heavy parent observation this summer, they don’t run around under sail. If 
they are hanging out below they’re stationary watching iPad or playing some 
kind of game “using” the table. Mostly they want to go on deck even if under 
sail. 

When we’re at the dock, they want to go on the hard to explore, so we bring the 
bikes, or they’re in the cockpit, or they’re napping down below.

One note of caution... mine  seem to bicker over who “owns” the vberth. They 
call it the fort.

Next year they learn to sail and build memories.

/J

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
> narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
> point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
> on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
> and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more 
> open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.
> 
> 
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Lisle
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

FYI – if you turn the 35 MK I table 90 degrees you can have people eating on 
both sides of the boat.


Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:38 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

Lisle,

One other thing you might ask yourself is why is the C's table a fold down vs 
the Tartan's fold up bulkhead mount.  The answer lies in the location of the 
forward bulkhead and mast.  Where does that 2-3 feet go?

In the C, it's part of the dinette.  The bulkhead is more forward opening up 
the main saloon more.

In the Tartan, the bulkhead is more aft making the main saloon smaller but 
possibly adding to the V-berth.

Personally, I prefer a dinette layout to a double settee layout.  I think it's 
really nice to have friends sit around the dinette style table rather than 
across from each other in the double settee layout.  Just my preference.

In my 35-1 I kind of get the best of both.  The overall layout of the 35-1 is 
more like the Tartan in that the mast is by the forward bulkhead.  The table 
sits on a pedestal in the middle of the dinette.  I can remove the table and 
pedestal (but not the pedestal base) to create nearly the same open area as the 
Tartan.  Some boats have a flush mount pedestal base for the table.  That's 
even better because the base isn't in the middle of the space to trip over.  I 
can also lower the table, add the filler cushions and convert the dinette to a 
berth or, in your case, a really nice play area for the kids.

There are some different interior layouts out there.  One that I like is the 
Beneteau 361.  (I like the interior layout, not necessarily the boat.)  It has 
a dinette style with the table around the compression post.  Under the table is 
a slide bar.  Pull the slide bar out and the table can be placed in one of 3 
positions; lowest as a filler to convert the dineete to a berth, middle, for 
dining and lastly high, in which case it is up against the headliner to create 
an open space.

Just more to clog your mind.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.



https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8


Thanks,

Lisle


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Stus-List 1983 c 40 std rig spreaders

[PETE via CnC-List]

Hello all

Just had rig pulled  and lower spreader tips are severely corroded  upon
removal by yard   there are chunks missing

my  rigger has not looked at them yet

My questions are:
1.  can they be re-tipped
2.  does anyone know where they can purchased if replacement needed

thanks

PETER
Portland, me
Goonie Island  1983 aft cabin
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Lisle,

One other thing you might ask yourself is why is the C's table a fold
down vs the Tartan's fold up bulkhead mount.  The answer lies in the
location of the forward bulkhead and mast.  Where does that 2-3 feet go?

In the C, it's part of the dinette.  The bulkhead is more forward opening
up the main saloon more.

In the Tartan, the bulkhead is more aft making the main saloon smaller but
possibly adding to the V-berth.

Personally, I prefer a dinette layout to a double settee layout.  I think
it's really nice to have friends sit around the dinette style table rather
than across from each other in the double settee layout.  Just my
preference.

In my 35-1 I kind of get the best of both.  The overall layout of the 35-1
is more like the Tartan in that the mast is by the forward bulkhead.  The
table sits on a pedestal in the middle of the dinette.  I can remove the
table and pedestal (but not the pedestal base) to create nearly the same
open area as the Tartan.  Some boats have a flush mount pedestal base for
the table.  That's even better because the base isn't in the middle of the
space to trip over.  I can also lower the table, add the filler cushions
and convert the dinette to a berth or, in your case, a really nice play
area for the kids.

There are some different interior layouts out there.  One that I like is
the Beneteau 361.  (I like the interior layout, not necessarily the boat.)
It has a dinette style with the table around the compression post.  Under
the table is a slide bar.  Pull the slide bar out and the table can be
placed in one of 3 positions; lowest as a filler to convert the dineete to
a berth, middle, for dining and lastly high, in which case it is up against
the headliner to create an open space.

Just more to clog your mind.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty
> much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at
> this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table
> mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be
> day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm
> thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison
> pics link below.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Lisle
>
>
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[kelly petew via CnC-List]

Thanks to all for your feedback.


Great group!


Fair Winds,


Pete W.


Siren Song

'91 C

Deltaville, VA.
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Re: Stus-List opinion on cabin table

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Check the chain plates and bulkhead carefully. They are a concern.

Joel

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:25 AM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Whoops here’s the picture of my starboard settee:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTU3ZycUs0YzQwSHM
>
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Regarding the chainplates on the 30 MK II, from the pictures at
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1987/C%26C-30-3079275/Rochester/NY/United-States#.Wd40ia2ZO8V
> I’d guess they attach to a fiberglass “knee” behind the settees - not to
> the hull directly - but to be sure you’d have to pull off the settee
> cushions and inspect.
>
> In this picture of my starboard settee you can see how the chainplates
> attach on a 30 MK I - to a fiberglass “knee” protruding from the inside of
> the hull.
>
> C have a reputation for being well-built, and I would be very surprised
> if the chainplate attachments on a 30 MK II are anything but very strong.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks, Dennis, I hadn't thought about the issue of sail load support.
>>
>> From what I can tell, it appears the Tartan 31 chainplates are attached
>> to the bulkhead vs. the C 30mkii are attached to the hull. I have the
>> Tartan 31 manual but I don't see that specified anywhere, but looking at
>> pics online it looks like this is the case.
>>
>
>
>
>> I'll be mainly day sailing with the goal of doing some multi night
>> coastal excursions on Lake Ontario eventually. Do you think this would make
>> much of a difference in this setting?
>>
>> Both boats have a Yanmar diesel, with the C being 16 HP vs. 18
>> generally for the Tartans.
>>
>> I like the C 30 layout a lot with the only hesitation being the table
>> in the middle.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Lisle
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Dennis C." 
>> To: CnClist 
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:18:31 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table
>> Everyone's criteria is different.  How folks use their boats is also a
>> consideration.  Both boats look nice.  Both are quality built.
>>
>> I guess I'm strange but my starting point is always the rig and how the
>> sailing load is supported.  Are the chain plates attached to a bulkhead or
>> are the shroud loads carried directly down to the hull?
>>
>> Next I look at the propulsion system.
>>
>> Finally, I look at layout and amenities.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>>
>>
>
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[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Whoops here’s the picture of my starboard settee: 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-NqAxQ6JxFTU3ZycUs0YzQwSHM

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Regarding the chainplates on the 30 MK II, from the pictures at 
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1987/C%26C-30-3079275/Rochester/NY/United-States#.Wd40ia2ZO8V
>  
> 
>  I’d guess they attach to a fiberglass “knee” behind the settees - not to the 
> hull directly - but to be sure you’d have to pull off the settee cushions and 
> inspect.
> 
> In this picture of my starboard settee you can see how the chainplates attach 
> on a 30 MK I - to a fiberglass “knee” protruding from the inside of the hull.
> 
> C have a reputation for being well-built, and I would be very surprised if 
> the chainplate attachments on a 30 MK II are anything but very strong.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, Dennis, I hadn't thought about the issue of sail load support.
>> 
>> From what I can tell, it appears the Tartan 31 chainplates are attached to 
>> the bulkhead vs. the C 30mkii are attached to the hull. I have the Tartan 
>> 31 manual but I don't see that specified anywhere, but looking at pics 
>> online it looks like this is the case.
>> 
>>  
>> I'll be mainly day sailing with the goal of doing some multi night coastal 
>> excursions on Lake Ontario eventually. Do you think this would make much of 
>> a difference in this setting?
>> 
>> Both boats have a Yanmar diesel, with the C being 16 HP vs. 18 generally 
>> for the Tartans.
>> 
>> I like the C 30 layout a lot with the only hesitation being the table in 
>> the middle.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> 
>> Lisle
>> 
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Dennis C." >
>> To: CnClist >
>> Cc: 
>> Bcc: 
>> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:18:31 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table
>> Everyone's criteria is different.  How folks use their boats is also a 
>> consideration.  Both boats look nice.  Both are quality built.
>> 
>> I guess I'm strange but my starting point is always the rig and how the 
>> sailing load is supported.  Are the chain plates attached to a bulkhead or 
>> are the shroud loads carried directly down to the hull?
>> 
>> Next I look at the propulsion system.  
>> 
>> Finally, I look at layout and amenities.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List opinion on cabin table

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Regarding the chainplates on the 30 MK II, from the pictures at 
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1987/C%26C-30-3079275/Rochester/NY/United-States#.Wd40ia2ZO8V
 I’d guess they attach to a fiberglass “knee” behind the settees - not to the 
hull directly - but to be sure you’d have to pull off the settee cushions and 
inspect.

In this picture of my starboard settee you can see how the chainplates attach 
on a 30 MK I - to a fiberglass “knee” protruding from the inside of the hull.

C have a reputation for being well-built, and I would be very surprised if 
the chainplate attachments on a 30 MK II are anything but very strong.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks, Dennis, I hadn't thought about the issue of sail load support.
> 
> From what I can tell, it appears the Tartan 31 chainplates are attached to 
> the bulkhead vs. the C 30mkii are attached to the hull. I have the Tartan 
> 31 manual but I don't see that specified anywhere, but looking at pics online 
> it looks like this is the case.
> 
>  
> I'll be mainly day sailing with the goal of doing some multi night coastal 
> excursions on Lake Ontario eventually. Do you think this would make much of a 
> difference in this setting?
> 
> Both boats have a Yanmar diesel, with the C being 16 HP vs. 18 generally 
> for the Tartans.
> 
> I like the C 30 layout a lot with the only hesitation being the table in 
> the middle.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Lisle
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Dennis C." >
> To: CnClist >
> Cc: 
> Bcc: 
> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:18:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table
> Everyone's criteria is different.  How folks use their boats is also a 
> consideration.  Both boats look nice.  Both are quality built.
> 
> I guess I'm strange but my starting point is always the rig and how the 
> sailing load is supported.  Are the chain plates attached to a bulkhead or 
> are the shroud loads carried directly down to the hull?
> 
> Next I look at the propulsion system.  
> 
> Finally, I look at layout and amenities.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Lisle- buy the C!  :)

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks, Dennis, I hadn't thought about the issue of sail load support.
> 
> From what I can tell, it appears the Tartan 31 chainplates are attached to 
> the bulkhead vs. the C 30mkii are attached to the hull. I have the Tartan 
> 31 manual but I don't see that specified anywhere, but looking at pics online 
> it looks like this is the case.
> 
>  
> I'll be mainly day sailing with the goal of doing some multi night coastal 
> excursions on Lake Ontario eventually. Do you think this would make much of a 
> difference in this setting?
> 
> Both boats have a Yanmar diesel, with the C being 16 HP vs. 18 generally 
> for the Tartans.
> 
> I like the C 30 layout a lot with the only hesitation being the table in 
> the middle.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Lisle
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Dennis C." >
> To: CnClist >
> Cc: 
> Bcc: 
> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:18:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table
> Everyone's criteria is different.  How folks use their boats is also a 
> consideration.  Both boats look nice.  Both are quality built.
> 
> I guess I'm strange but my starting point is always the rig and how the 
> sailing load is supported.  Are the chain plates attached to a bulkhead or 
> are the shroud loads carried directly down to the hull?
> 
> Next I look at the propulsion system.  
> 
> Finally, I look at layout and amenities.
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List]

>
>
> Thanks, Dennis, I hadn't thought about the issue of sail load support.
>
> From what I can tell, it appears the Tartan 31 chainplates are attached to
> the bulkhead vs. the C 30mkii are attached to the hull. I have the Tartan
> 31 manual but I don't see that specified anywhere, but looking at pics
> online it looks like this is the case.
>



> I'll be mainly day sailing with the goal of doing some multi night coastal
> excursions on Lake Ontario eventually. Do you think this would make much of
> a difference in this setting?
>
> Both boats have a Yanmar diesel, with the C being 16 HP vs. 18 generally
> for the Tartans.
>
> I like the C 30 layout a lot with the only hesitation being the table in
> the middle.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Lisle
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Dennis C." 
> To: CnClist 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 08:18:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table
> Everyone's criteria is different.  How folks use their boats is also a
> consideration.  Both boats look nice.  Both are quality built.
>
> I guess I'm strange but my starting point is always the rig and how the
> sailing load is supported.  Are the chain plates attached to a bulkhead or
> are the shroud loads carried directly down to the hull?
>
> Next I look at the propulsion system.
>
> Finally, I look at layout and amenities.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

There is an auction of remaining assets scheduled.
Joel

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:56 AM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2017/07/24/u-s-watercraft-receivership/
>
> Appears it has gone into receivership.
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
>
>
> On 10/11/2017 10:18 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Is C bankrupt again? I kind of lost track and they definitely were not
> at the show.
>
> Speaking of which, the show was kind of depressing. Monday was very
> lightly attended and one could think from the show that sailing is 99%
> catamaran charters and some French cruising boats. The Catalina lineup was
> there, more or less the same as it always is and Island Packet seems to
> have come back to life. If I were there to buy a boat, I would have been
> very frustrated! The land side seemed missing some of the good deals too
> from years past. I did score my usual supply of docklines from the discount
> rope guy.
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
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[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2017/07/24/u-s-watercraft-receivership/

Appears it has gone into receivership.

Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 10/11/2017 10:18 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:


Is C bankrupt again? I kind of lost track and they definitely were 
not at the show.


Speaking of which, the show was kind of depressing. Monday was very 
lightly attended and one could think from the show that sailing is 99% 
catamaran charters and some French cruising boats. The Catalina lineup 
was there, more or less the same as it always is and Island Packet 
seems to have come back to life. If I were there to buy a boat, I 
would have been very frustrated! The land side seemed missing some of 
the good deals too from years past. I did score my usual supply of 
docklines from the discount rope guy.


Joe Della Barba

Coquina

C 35 MK I



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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Is C bankrupt again? I kind of lost track and they definitely were not at the 
show.
Speaking of which, the show was kind of depressing. Monday was very lightly 
attended and one could think from the show that sailing is 99% catamaran 
charters and some French cruising boats. The Catalina lineup was there, more or 
less the same as it always is and Island Packet seems to have come back to 
life. If I were there to buy a boat, I would have been very frustrated! The 
land side seemed missing some of the good deals too from years past. I did 
score my usual supply of docklines from the discount rope guy.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C 35 MK I
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Everyone's criteria is different.  How folks use their boats is also a
consideration.  Both boats look nice.  Both are quality built.

I guess I'm strange but my starting point is always the rig and how the
sailing load is supported.  Are the chain plates attached to a bulkhead or
are the shroud loads carried directly down to the hull?

Next I look at the propulsion system.

Finally, I look at layout and amenities.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty
> much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at
> this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table
> mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be
> day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm
> thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison
> pics link below.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Lisle
>
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[Damian Greene via CnC-List]

Lisle,

Here are a couple of considerations both ways (and both boat interiors look 
great)…

We recently switched from a C 34 (table similar to C 30), to a Sabre 38 
(table similar to Tartan 31). I much prefer that I can swing the table up on 
the bulkhead. That is now our standard configuration while underway, giving us 
all open space down below. Similar to the Tartan, we have the grab-rails under 
the windows, which really helps while moving around.

However that is with just two of us on the boat. Likely with the C you will 
leave the port leaf up most of the time (that’s what we did). With kids, you 
may be able to get away with everyone seated around the dinette in the C, and 
not have to put up the second leaf. That will make life easier at mealtimes, if 
people can still access the forward cabin (invariably just when everyone is 
seated). That is not an option with the Tartan, as you have to put up the leaf 
to get usable surface – probably every time. 

So in balance – C

Regards,

Damian

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From: Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:09 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD
Subject: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.



https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8


Thanks,

Lisle

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Re: Stus-List LED Interior Flourescent replacements

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

I replaced each fixture with a pair of these:
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/swivel-led/135-swivel-utility-led-light-bar-with-rocker-switch/1434/4518/#/attributes/10854
They were not available in the warm color so I got the "natural" color
which was fairly harsh.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The marine beam option is what I went with.  The boat came with more than
> a dozen tube fixtures (most of which were double tubes) and at ~$30 a
> tube it wasn't cheap.  For the most part they are plug and play though the
> directions do suggest bypassing the ballast/starter circuit.  I didn't
> bypass and haven't had any trouble.  I will strongly suggest the warm white
> varient and advise that the light still has a bit of the LED harshness, not
> the inviting glow of an incandescent.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2017 10:36 AM, "kelly petew via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
> Anyone have any experiences to share with replacing your original
> fluorescents with LEDs?
>
> Is it simply 'plug & play', i.e., old tube out, new LED tube into the
> existing fixture??
>
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
> Pete W.
>
>
> Siren Song
>
> '91 C 30-2
>
> Deltaville, Va.
>
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Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table
mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be
day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm
thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison
pics link below.



https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8



Thanks,


Lisle
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