Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[cenelson via CnC-List]

Had a similar problem to yours several years ago. After doing most of what you 
have done, my diesel mechanic suggested just replacing the Racor MA 500(?) top 
plate since even a little over tightening can push the middle down enough that 
the O-ring on the circumference will leak enough that after running for a while 
the air inside it gets into the fuel lines. 
This was a cheap enough thing to do that I did it—along with a few other 
‘fixes’ and the problem went away. 
Since it was not the only change I made, I can’t be certain that the new top 
plate solved the problem or if it was something else. 
Note I am pretty sure that the instructions for the Racor say to only hand 
tighten this plate or something similar—I now know why! 
Given how little extra tightening it would take at the Center to deflect the 
circumference/O-ring joint enough to suck air in, (probably a few microns could 
break the vacuum seal) and over time you have air bubbles that get to the 
engine or at least prevent fuel from getting to the engine.
FWIW,
Charlie Nelson


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On Thursday, September 23, 2021, 12:36 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I meant bypass the Racor, turn on the pump and collect fuel into a secondary 
container to test.  I agree that I would not run the engine that way.  I am 
presuming that the flow of fuel through the filter should be a good test of the 
system since the problem was I was getting air into the primary Racor holder, 
so a vacuum leak likely somewhere.  Dave
S/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT


On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Neil Andersen  wrote:

I would think that risky.  If the Racor is the issue because it is doing its 
job and there is particulate matter coming from the tank, bypassing it will 
allow the matter to get to the engine. 
Neil Andersen1982 C 32, FoxFireRock Hall, MD 21661484-354-8800From: David 
Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 9:36:44 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump Hi Dennis- The Racor looks OK, but of course 
that says nothing.  I don’t know the Racor model but it is older since it does 
not have the threaded top that you can add a gauge to.  Since that is a more 
expensive alteration, I thought I would replace the fuel lines first and see if 
that fixes the problem.  If not, I thought I would bypass the Racor and see if 
it works that way and if so, replace the Racor itself.  Dave
S/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT


On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:
What type of fuel filter do you have?  If it's a Racor MA500, the top may be 
warped or the gasket may be cracked or displaced.  Those are not infrequent 
issues with that filter.  Either condition could result in air inleakage.

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Stus-List Re: cng cylinders

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I fill mine at the local CNG station that fills cars for about $2.50 or so.

My insurance company, Progressive, never asked about CNG or anything else.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders

 

Try a welding supply shop that also sells welding gasses. 

 

 

 

Doug Mountjoy 

sv Rebecca Leah 

C & C Landfall 39

Port Orchard Yacht Club 

Port Orchard, WA

 

 

 Original message 

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 

Date: 9/23/21 12:39 (GMT-08:00) 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Cc: Richard Bush mailto:bushma...@aol.com> > 

Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders 

 

This doesn't answer the question, but my insurance company (Geico through Boat 
US) made me remove the CNG cylinder from the boat stating it was a fire risk; I 
had to send proof that the tank was off of the boat before they would grant the 
insurance; the reason given was that it was mounted in the locker and not a 
separate enclosed space; since we rarely cook on board, that was the path of 
least resistance for me...anyone else experienced this? thanks

 

Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4

 

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2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 

Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 

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Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 3:25 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders

I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse thread 
so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a tank is 
empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have the local gas 
company fill your tank for you. You might check with a propane distributor, or 
with your local gas company.

 

Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 

 

 

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking.  We are 
wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders?

 

Thanks

 

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Stus-List Re: cng cylinders

[Doug via CnC-List]

Try a welding supply shop that also sells welding gasses. Doug Mountjoy sv 
Rebecca Leah C & C Landfall 39Port Orchard Yacht Club Port Orchard, WA
 Original message From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/23/21  12:39  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Richard Bush  Subject: Stus-List 
Re: cng cylinders 

 This doesn't answer the question, but my insurance company (Geico through Boat 
US) made me remove the CNG cylinder from the boat stating it was a fire risk; I 
had to send proof that the tank was off of the boat before they would grant the 
insurance; the reason given was that it was mounted in the locker and not a 
separate enclosed space; since we rarely cook on board, that was the path of 
least resistance for me...anyone else experienced this? thanks


 



Richard

 

s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4





Richard N. Bush Law Offices 


2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 


Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 


502-584-7255


 


 


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Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 3:25 pm
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I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse thread 
so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a tank is 
empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have the local gas 
company fill your tank for you. You might check with a propane distributor, or 
with your local gas company.













Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR
















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There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking.  We are 
wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders?


 


Thanks


 


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Stus-List Re: crank handle for roller furling boom on a 30 mk1

[Doug via CnC-List]

Try an 8 point socket. Yes they do make them Doug Mountjoy sv Rebecca Leah C & 
C Landfall 39Port Orchard Yacht Club Port Orchard, WA
 Original message From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/23/21  12:41  (GMT-08:00) To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Bill Coleman  Subject: Stus-List 
Re: crank handle for roller furling boom on a 30 mk1 Or would a 12 point socket 
work?Bill ColemanOn Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 3:35 AM Bob Tallman via CnC-List 
 wrote:Great toy store indeed.  Make sure to keep the 
length to a minimum to avoid too much rocking.For grins regarding the size, is 
it 7/16, or is it 1/2? Just thinking if the measurements are in line with a 
ratchet drive, the square stock could be just a double ended female and use a 
ratchet drive.  A socket will fit over the square shaft, and then you can use a 
standard setup to crank the boom.Who is the manufacturer of the furling 
boom?Picture or two of the interface in question? On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:57 
PM Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:Go to mcmaster.com and 
order a piece of square tubing the correct size.  When you get it, drill holes 
through one end and put a screwdriver or long bolt through it.  Use it to 
square up the boom.https://www.mcmaster.com/square-tubing/--Dennis C.Touche' 
35-1 #83Mandeville, LAOn Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 6:29 PM andrew_m--- via CnC-List 
 wrote:We recently purchased a 1974 C 30 mk1. Our boat 
has a roller furling boom, but didn?t come with the crank handle. Does anyone 
know where I can a get a crank handle for the roller furling boom on a 1974 C 
30 mk1? have one I can borrow (we're near Victoria BC)? or know of another tool 
that'll work in place of the original crank handle? Our boom's stuck at about 
30 degrees from where it should be and I'd love to turn it back.

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Stus-List Re: crank handle for roller furling boom on a 30 mk1

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

There are 8 point sockets.

https://www.mcmaster.com/square-drive-sockets/for-drive-style~external-square/socket-shape~8-point/
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Stus-List Re: crank handle for roller furling boom on a 30 mk1

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Or Google "4 point socket"

Ken H.

On Thu, 23 Sept 2021 at 16:55, andrew macLean via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’d love to use something more like a socket. I’m not familiar with 12
> point sockets. I’ll go look at google now. Thanks!
>
> On Sep 23, 2021, at 12:41 pm, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Or would a 12 point socket work?
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 3:35 AM Bob Tallman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Great toy store indeed.  Make sure to keep the length to a minimum to
>> avoid too much rocking.
>> For grins regarding the size, is it 7/16, or is it 1/2?
>> Just thinking if the measurements are in line with a ratchet drive, the
>> square stock could be just a double ended female and use a ratchet drive.
>> A socket will fit over the square shaft, and then you can use a standard
>> setup to crank the boom.
>>
>> Who is the manufacturer of the furling boom?
>> Picture or two of the interface in question?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:57 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Go to mcmaster.com and order a piece of square tubing the correct
>>> size.  When you get it, drill holes through one end and put a screwdriver
>>> or long bolt through it.  Use it to square up the boom.
>>>
>>> https://www.mcmaster.com/square-tubing/
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 6:29 PM andrew_m--- via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> We recently purchased a 1974 C 30 mk1. Our boat has a roller furling
>>> boom, but didn?t come with the crank handle. Does anyone know where I can a
>>> get a crank handle for the roller furling boom on a 1974 C 30 mk1? have
>>> one I can borrow (we're near Victoria BC)? or know of another tool that'll
>>> work in place of the original crank handle? Our boom's stuck at about 30
>>> degrees from where it should be and I'd love to turn it back.
>>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>> Thanks - Stu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dennis C.
>>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>>> Mandeville, LA
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>>> Stu
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bob Tallman
>> 631.387.6748
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Stus-List Re: crank handle for roller furling boom on a 30 mk1

[andrew macLean via CnC-List]

I’d love to use something more like a socket. I’m not familiar with 12 point 
sockets. I’ll go look at google now. Thanks!

> On Sep 23, 2021, at 12:41 pm, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Or would a 12 point socket work?
> 
> Bill Coleman
> 
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 3:35 AM Bob Tallman via CnC-List  > wrote:
> Great toy store indeed.  Make sure to keep the length to a minimum to avoid 
> too much rocking.
> For grins regarding the size, is it 7/16, or is it 1/2? 
> Just thinking if the measurements are in line with a ratchet drive, the 
> square stock could be just a double ended female and use a ratchet drive.  
> A socket will fit over the square shaft, and then you can use a standard 
> setup to crank the boom.
> 
> Who is the manufacturer of the furling boom?
> Picture or two of the interface in question?
>  
> 
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:57 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List  > wrote:
> Go to mcmaster.com  and order a piece of square tubing 
> the correct size.  When you get it, drill holes through one end and put a 
> screwdriver or long bolt through it.  Use it to square up the boom.
> 
> https://www.mcmaster.com/square-tubing/ 
> 
> 
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 6:29 PM andrew_m--- via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> We recently purchased a 1974 C 30 mk1. Our boat has a roller furling boom, 
> but didn?t come with the crank handle. Does anyone know where I can a get a 
> crank handle for the roller furling boom on a 1974 C 30 mk1? have one I can 
> borrow (we're near Victoria BC)? or know of another tool that'll work in 
> place of the original crank handle? Our boom's stuck at about 30 degrees from 
> where it should be and I'd love to turn it back.
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>   Thanks - Stu
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Bob Tallman
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Stus-List Re: Insurance

[Andy Frame via CnC-List]

Progressive was the *only* company that I found that would write me a
policy. Next step is a a TowBoatUS membership ...

On 9/23/2021 3:48 PM, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List wrote:
> I recently received a renewal notice from GEICO (BoatUS). They said my
> insurance premium was reduced (from $1256 to $1226/year). Just for a
> check, I asked Progressive for a quote. Their price for the same amount
> of insurance was $487/year. I am now a Progressive customer.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>

--
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Stus-List Re: Insurance

[Riley Anderson via CnC-List]

Same here, BoatUS is an absolute rip-off. My coverage with BoatUS was
$16,000 for $1400/year. With Amica, bundled with my car insurance, my
policy is now $880/year and the boat is covered up to $60,000.

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 3:48 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I recently received a renewal notice from GEICO (BoatUS). They said my
> insurance premium was reduced (from $1256 to $1226/year). Just for a check,
> I asked Progressive for a quote. Their price for the same amount of
> insurance was $487/year. I am now a Progressive customer.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
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Stus-List Re: Insurance

[Matthew via CnC-List]

I’m also a Progressive customer.  Less money; better policy.

 

From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 3:48 PM
To: C 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Stus-List Insurance

 

I recently received a renewal notice from GEICO (BoatUS). They said my 
insurance premium was reduced (from $1256 to $1226/year). Just for a check, I 
asked Progressive for a quote. Their price for the same amount of insurance was 
$487/year. I am now a Progressive customer.

 

Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 

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Stus-List Insurance

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I recently received a renewal notice from GEICO (BoatUS). They said my
insurance premium was reduced (from $1256 to $1226/year). Just for a check,
I asked Progressive for a quote. Their price for the same amount of
insurance was $487/year. I am now a Progressive customer.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR
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Stus-List Re: Windcheck Magazine

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I delivered that boat to RI from St John NB for Chip. Great sailing boat very 
sweet to steer and very well mannered. 
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA 02840

+401 965 5260
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> On Sep 23, 2021, at 15:12, Richard Bush via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> This month's issue (September) of Windcheck Magazine has an awesome photo of 
> C 41, skippered by Chip Hawkins, and he won his division to boot! 
> Congrats Chip!
> 
> here's the link; 
> https://www.windcheckmagazine.com/article/edgartown-race-weekend/
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4
> 
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
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Stus-List Re: crank handle for roller furling boom on a 30 mk1

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Or would a 12 point socket work?

Bill Coleman

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 3:35 AM Bob Tallman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Great toy store indeed.  Make sure to keep the length to a minimum to
> avoid too much rocking.
> For grins regarding the size, is it 7/16, or is it 1/2?
> Just thinking if the measurements are in line with a ratchet drive, the
> square stock could be just a double ended female and use a ratchet drive.
> A socket will fit over the square shaft, and then you can use a standard
> setup to crank the boom.
>
> Who is the manufacturer of the furling boom?
> Picture or two of the interface in question?
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:57 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Go to mcmaster.com and order a piece of square tubing the correct size.
>> When you get it, drill holes through one end and put a screwdriver or long
>> bolt through it.  Use it to square up the boom.
>>
>> https://www.mcmaster.com/square-tubing/
>>
>> --
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 6:29 PM andrew_m--- via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> We recently purchased a 1974 C 30 mk1. Our boat has a roller furling
>> boom, but didn?t come with the crank handle. Does anyone know where I can a
>> get a crank handle for the roller furling boom on a 1974 C 30 mk1? have
>> one I can borrow (we're near Victoria BC)? or know of another tool that'll
>> work in place of the original crank handle? Our boom's stuck at about 30
>> degrees from where it should be and I'd love to turn it back.
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>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: cng cylinders

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 This doesn't answer the question, but my insurance company (Geico through Boat 
US) made me remove the CNG cylinder from the boat stating it was a fire risk; I 
had to send proof that the tank was off of the boat before they would grant the 
insurance; the reason given was that it was mounted in the locker and not a 
separate enclosed space; since we rarely cook on board, that was the path of 
least resistance for me...anyone else experienced this? thanks
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Sent: Thu, Sep 23, 2021 3:25 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders

I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse thread 
so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a tank is 
empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have the local gas 
company fill your tank for you. You might check with a propane distributor, or 
with your local gas company.
Alan Bergen35 Mk III ThirstyRose City YCPortland, OR



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 wrote:


There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking.  We are 
wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders? Thanks Mike
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Stus-List Re: cng cylinders

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Can you buy a new SCUBA tank and replace the threaded piece that connects
to the stove hose?
Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:30 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks Alan
>
>
>
> We have been able to have our tanks refilled but are looking to replace
> some with new.  Is very difficult to fin a source
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax, NS
>
>
>
> *From:* ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* September 23, 2021 4:25 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* ALAN BERGEN 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: cng cylinders
>
>
>
> I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse
> thread so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a
> tank is empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have
> the local gas company fill your tank for you. You might check with a
> propane distributor, or with your local gas company.
>
>
>
> Alan Bergen
>
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>
> Rose City YC
>
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking.  We are
> wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike
>
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Stus-List Re: cng cylinders

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Thanks Alan

We have been able to have our tanks refilled but are looking to replace some 
with new.  Is very difficult to fin a source

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS

From: ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
Sent: September 23, 2021 4:25 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Stus-List Re: cng cylinders

I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse thread 
so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a tank is 
empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have the local gas 
company fill your tank for you. You might check with a propane distributor, or 
with your local gas company.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking.  We are 
wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders?

Thanks

Mike
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Stus-List Re: cng cylinders

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I seem to recall that CNG cylinders are SCUBA cylinders with a reverse
thread so that they can't be mistaken for cylinders with O2 in them. When a
tank is empty, it is exchanged for a full tank. Another choice is to have
the local gas company fill your tank for you. You might check with a
propane distributor, or with your local gas company.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking.  We are
> wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike
>
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Stus-List cng cylinders

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

There are several people at our marina that have CNG for cooking.  We are 
wondering if anyone on list has a source for new CNG cylinders?

Thanks

Mike
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Stus-List Re: Windcheck Magazine

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 This month's issue (September) of Windcheck Magazine has an awesome photo of 
C 41, skippered by Chip Hawkins, and he won his division to boot! 
Congrats Chip!

here's the link; 
https://www.windcheckmagazine.com/article/edgartown-race-weekend/
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 

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Stus-List Re: wind instrument

[Randal Stafford via CnC-List]

Hi Marek,

After screwing around for several years with a SailTimer Wind Instrument 
(solar-powered bluetooth-based masthead anemometer) and SailTimer App on an 
iPad velcro’d to the cabin wall - all of which only worked part of the time and 
was generally disappointing - last offseason I switched to a basic Raymarine 
system with a new DST sensor, new masthead wind vane, GPS receiver, iTC-5 hub, 
and MFD.  Yes I had to cut a new through-hull, run cable up the mast and bilge, 
etc.  But it’s been a huge improvement.  I finally have reliable 
instrumentation on the boat, and use it every time out.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK I #79
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Sep 21, 2021, at 11:59 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I am starting to think about adding the wind instrument to the boat. The main 
> reason is for being able to feed the data (wind direction) to the EV-100 
> autopilot.
>  
> I have a SeatalkNG network on the boat. I don’t have a Raymarine MFC, though 
> (I have a small Garmin chartplotter, instead).
>  
> I am a minimalist (you could say “cheap”), so e.g., I don’t have a Navpod on 
> the binnacle; rather I have two individual RAM mount pods (for the 
> chartplotter and one for the p70s (the autopilot control head).
>  
> I unstep the mast for every winter, so I am biased towards a wireless unit.
>  
> I have a few questions:
>  
> - Any recommendations for the wind instrument (Raymarine, Garmin, B)? My 
> first choice would be a unit that talks NMEA 2000 (SeatalkNG) (as opposed to 
> an analog unit that requires an extra device (iTC-5?) to connect. But this is 
> mainly to control the costs.
>  
> - With limited space at the helm, what is the minimum requirement to feed the 
> wind data to the EV-100 autopilot? I don’t think I need the detailed wind 
> angle displayed, as long as the AP can follow. Though I could put the wind 
> display somewhere else (on the bulkhead?). But if that display is not 
> required AND I could save the cost by not including it, I might be fine with 
> that.
>  
> - Any strong recommendations against the wireless?
>  
> - Any other suggestions or recommendations?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Marek
>  
> 1994 C270 ”Legato”
> Ottawa, ON
>  
>  
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Ok.  If it doesn't have the T handle top then it's not a 500.

For those that do have the 500, overtightening the T handle can warp the
top resulting in the potential for air inleakage.

--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 8:37 AM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Dennis- The Racor looks OK, but of course that says nothing.  I don’t
> know the Racor model but it is older since it does not have the threaded
> top that you can add a gauge to.  Since that is a more expensive
> alteration, I thought I would replace the fuel lines first and see if that
> fixes the problem.  If not, I thought I would bypass the Racor and see if
> it works that way and if so, replace the Racor itself.  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> What type of fuel filter do you have?  If it's a Racor MA500, the top may
> be warped or the gasket may be cracked or displaced.  Those are not
> infrequent issues with that filter.  Either condition could result in air
> inleakage.
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I'm late to this discussion, sorry.  If you have an electric fuel pump it
should be connected before the racor.  Suck directly from the tank and as
close to the tank as possible, discharge into the racor.  This eliminates
the chance of a vacuum leak in the racor or anywhere else downstream of the
pump since down stream is pressurized.

Our era of boats were typically equipped with 200FG model racors.
Glass/plastic or metal bowl for diesel.  Metal bowl only for gasoline.  I
found venting to be a PIA.  I've shared this before but here is a video
that includes a mod for easier venting.  This mod requires drilling and
tapping the racor head.

https://youtu.be/H-GI38vE4hQ

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 10:14 David Knecht via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Sorry if the start of the thread was lost somewhere.  Quick summary: The
> problem was the engine twice ran for some time and then died and would not
> start.  When I checked the Racor later, it was half full of fuel so
> diagnosis was either electric fuel pump not working, plugged pickup tube or
> vacuum leak somewhere so it could not pull fuel from tank.  I have been
> chasing those down and now confident the pump and pickup are working, and
> vacuum leak is either in fuel line or Racor holder.  That is why I decided
> to replace fuel lines when several listers suggested that as most likely
> culprit (from past experience with the same problem).  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On Sep 23, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Chris Riedinger via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Also wondering if 'dont understand' goes a little deeper here
>
>
> Do you mean the mechanical pump on your block or?
>
> Why are you chasing a fuel pump issue? Do you have a no-start? A boat
> dying after a certain amount of time? Etc etc
>
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 10:19 AM Dave S via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> If there’s only one terminal on the pump itself then the metal chassis
>> must be the ground.
>>
>> If you are referring to a schematic the ground wire may not be
>> illustrated.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:16 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am trying to diagnose fuel issue. I dont understand pump wiring.
>> There appears to be only one wire to pump. Where is it grounded?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Very true

Neil Andersen
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 10:26:40 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump


For an gasoline engine that might be true, but for most diesels the result of 
feeding dirt past the Racor would be clogging up the filter on the engine. Now 
if there is water in the fuel – that would get through the engine filter ☹



Joe

Coquina



From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 9:54 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Neil Andersen 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Fuel pump



I would think that risky.  If the Racor is the issue because it is doing its 
job and there is particulate matter coming from the tank, bypassing it will 
allow the matter to get to the engine.



Neil Andersen

1982 C 32, FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800


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Stus-List Re: wind instrument

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have had TackTick wireless wind on my mast since I bought my boat 8 years 
ago.  I have the converter box so it is on my Seatalk-ng network.  It worked 
flawlessly until this year when something happened to the speed sensor.  I have 
not yet gone up the mast to pull it for diagnosis.  I had the mast down two 
years ago and was concerned about its age so sent it to Raymarine for testing.  
They found it to be fine, but offered that if it had problems down the road, 
they would sell me a new one at a discounted price to replace it.  So I have 
been happy with how long it lasted.  If I were to replace it, it would be the 
same or perhaps the Sailtimer version (https://wi-rb.com/product/rb/).  Dave

David Knecht
Rear Commodore
Thames Yacht Club
New London, CT



> On Sep 22, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Peter W. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> FWIW, earlier this season, I replaced my TackTick wireless wind instrument 
> with Raymarine's latest offering.  You may recall Raymarine acquired TackTick 
> some years ago.  Except for the branding, The replacement is identical to the 
> original, which worked well for 13 seasons.  In fact, the original unit still 
> works fine for wind SPEED, but it is unreliable for DIRECTION.  Probably, I 
> could have returned it for testing and possible repair, but I didn't want to 
> deal with the cost of retrieval, downtime, and re-install [which assumes the 
> unit could be repaired].  
> I like the unit.  I don't like it when I can't get through to Raymarine.  
> Since my old Datamarine knotmeter is finally giving it up, I purchased a 
> suite of instruments - wind instrument + Tridata display, with wireless cap.  
> could this work for you?
> 
> Pete W.
> 
> Siren Song
> '91 C 30-2
> Irvington, Va.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 2:00 PM Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I am starting to think about adding the wind instrument to the boat. The main 
> reason is for being able to feed the data (wind direction) to the EV-100 
> autopilot.
> 
>  
> 
> I have a SeatalkNG network on the boat. I don’t have a Raymarine MFC, though 
> (I have a small Garmin chartplotter, instead).
> 
>  
> 
> I am a minimalist (you could say “cheap”), so e.g., I don’t have a Navpod on 
> the binnacle; rather I have two individual RAM mount pods (for the 
> chartplotter and one for the p70s (the autopilot control head).
> 
>  
> 
> I unstep the mast for every winter, so I am biased towards a wireless unit.
> 
>  
> 
> I have a few questions:
> 
>  
> 
> - Any recommendations for the wind instrument (Raymarine, Garmin, B)? My 
> first choice would be a unit that talks NMEA 2000 (SeatalkNG) (as opposed to 
> an analog unit that requires an extra device (iTC-5?) to connect. But this is 
> mainly to control the costs.
> 
>  
> 
> - With limited space at the helm, what is the minimum requirement to feed the 
> wind data to the EV-100 autopilot? I don’t think I need the detailed wind 
> angle displayed, as long as the AP can follow. Though I could put the wind 
> display somewhere else (on the bulkhead?). But if that display is not 
> required AND I could save the cost by not including it, I might be fine with 
> that.
> 
>  
> 
> - Any strong recommendations against the wireless?
> 
>  
> 
> - Any other suggestions or recommendations?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
>  
> 
> Marek
> 
>  
> 
> 1994 C270 ”Legato”
> 
> Ottawa, ON
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
>   Thanks - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

For an gasoline engine that might be true, but for most diesels the result of 
feeding dirt past the Racor would be clogging up the filter on the engine. Now 
if there is water in the fuel – that would get through the engine filter ☹

Joe
Coquina

From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 9:54 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Neil Andersen 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

I would think that risky.  If the Racor is the issue because it is doing its 
job and there is particulate matter coming from the tank, bypassing it will 
allow the matter to get to the engine.

Neil Andersen
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Sorry if the start of the thread was lost somewhere.  Quick summary: The 
problem was the engine twice ran for some time and then died and would not 
start.  When I checked the Racor later, it was half full of fuel so diagnosis 
was either electric fuel pump not working, plugged pickup tube or vacuum leak 
somewhere so it could not pull fuel from tank.  I have been chasing those down 
and now confident the pump and pickup are working, and vacuum leak is either in 
fuel line or Racor holder.  That is why I decided to replace fuel lines when 
several listers suggested that as most likely culprit (from past experience 
with the same problem).  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Sep 23, 2021, at 10:02 AM, Chris Riedinger via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Also wondering if 'dont understand' goes a little deeper here
> 
> 
> Do you mean the mechanical pump on your block or? 
> 
> Why are you chasing a fuel pump issue? Do you have a no-start? A boat dying 
> after a certain amount of time? Etc etc 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 10:19 AM Dave S via CnC-List  > wrote:
> If there’s only one terminal on the pump itself then the metal chassis must 
> be the ground. 
> 
> If you are referring to a schematic the ground wire may not be illustrated. 
> 
> Dave 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:16 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I am trying to diagnose fuel issue. I dont understand pump wiring. There 
> > appears to be only one wire to pump. Where is it grounded?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I meant bypass the Racor, turn on the pump and collect fuel into a secondary 
container to test.  I agree that I would not run the engine that way.  I am 
presuming that the flow of fuel through the filter should be a good test of the 
system since the problem was I was getting air into the primary Racor holder, 
so a vacuum leak likely somewhere.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Neil Andersen  
> wrote:
> 
> I would think that risky.  If the Racor is the issue because it is doing its 
> job and there is particulate matter coming from the tank, bypassing it will 
> allow the matter to get to the engine. 
> 
> Neil Andersen
> 1982 C 32, FoxFire
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
> 484-354-8800
> From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 9:36:44 AM
> To: CnC CnC discussion list 
> Cc: David Knecht 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump
>  
> Hi Dennis- The Racor looks OK, but of course that says nothing.  I don’t know 
> the Racor model but it is older since it does not have the threaded top that 
> you can add a gauge to.  Since that is a more expensive alteration, I thought 
> I would replace the fuel lines first and see if that fixes the problem.  If 
> not, I thought I would bypass the Racor and see if it works that way and if 
> so, replace the Racor itself.  Dave
> 
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> What type of fuel filter do you have?  If it's a Racor MA500, the top may be 
>> warped or the gasket may be cracked or displaced.  Those are not infrequent 
>> issues with that filter.  Either condition could result in air inleakage.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[Chris Riedinger via CnC-List]

Also wondering if 'dont understand' goes a little deeper here


Do you mean the mechanical pump on your block or?

Why are you chasing a fuel pump issue? Do you have a no-start? A boat dying
after a certain amount of time? Etc etc

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 10:19 AM Dave S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> If there’s only one terminal on the pump itself then the metal chassis
> must be the ground.
>
> If you are referring to a schematic the ground wire may not be
> illustrated.
>
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:16 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to diagnose fuel issue. I dont understand pump wiring.
> There appears to be only one wire to pump. Where is it grounded?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

I would think that risky.  If the Racor is the issue because it is doing its 
job and there is particulate matter coming from the tank, bypassing it will 
allow the matter to get to the engine.

Neil Andersen
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 9:36:44 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

Hi Dennis- The Racor looks OK, but of course that says nothing.  I don’t know 
the Racor model but it is older since it does not have the threaded top that 
you can add a gauge to.  Since that is a more expensive alteration, I thought I 
would replace the fuel lines first and see if that fixes the problem.  If not, 
I thought I would bypass the Racor and see if it works that way and if so, 
replace the Racor itself.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

[cid:4073BE72-4704-4EA7-8EBA-B73B833F502B]

On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

What type of fuel filter do you have?  If it's a Racor MA500, the top may be 
warped or the gasket may be cracked or displaced.  Those are not infrequent 
issues with that filter.  Either condition could result in air inleakage.


--
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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis- The Racor looks OK, but of course that says nothing.  I don’t know 
the Racor model but it is older since it does not have the threaded top that 
you can add a gauge to.  Since that is a more expensive alteration, I thought I 
would replace the fuel lines first and see if that fixes the problem.  If not, 
I thought I would bypass the Racor and see if it works that way and if so, 
replace the Racor itself.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> What type of fuel filter do you have?  If it's a Racor MA500, the top may be 
> warped or the gasket may be cracked or displaced.  Those are not infrequent 
> issues with that filter.  Either condition could result in air inleakage.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

What type of fuel filter do you have?  If it's a Racor MA500, the top may
be warped or the gasket may be cracked or displaced.  Those are not
infrequent issues with that filter.  Either condition could result in air
inleakage.


-- 
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Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the input.  
I spent all day yesterday on the problem with two trips to Defender for parts.  
I realized that I had detached the ground wire when I unbolted the fuel pump 
and when I reattached the ground, it started clicking away.  I then hooked up a 
new fuel line from the tank pickup to the fuel pump bypassing the filter etc 
and ran the outflow into a container.  It ran fine and rapidly pumped fuel.  At 
first, the sound was off, but once it had fuel, the sound was normal.  So I 
think the pump is fine and the odd sound I heard when the problem started was 
the fact that it was pulling air instead of diesel since the bowl was not 
filling.  That result makes the lines between the fuel tank and the pump 
suspect, which is what everyone was saying was the likeliest possibility.  
I replaced the fuel filters first (trip to hardware store for filter wrench as 
I could not get it off by hand).  I got some more fuel line (first trip to 
Defender) and tried to install it and found that the nipple on the fuel tank 
was 3/8” and someone had somehow gotten ¼” ID tubing onto it.  All the other 
fittings are ¼” as was the tubing.  I could not duplicate that feat, so went 
back to Defender and replaced the nipple with a ¼” version.  It was really hard 
to get the new tubing onto the nipples and I spent the rest of the rainy 
afternoon trying to replace various segments of the tubing.  I thought it best 
to replace all while I as doing the job.  That turns out to be a lot of nipples 
in a lot of difficult to access places.  
So my real problem now is how to get the tubing onto those nipples as they are 
are generally not a gradually increasing gradient of sized rings, but two 
bulges of equal diameter separated by a straight portion.  
1.  The nipple I put on the fuel tank is a gradually increasing sized as 
opposed to the other type.  Is that a bad idea? I am not sure of the logic of 
using one type vs. the other.  I can see that the gradual type might allow the 
tube to gradually work its way off, but I don’t know if that is possible with a 
hose clamp in place.
2.  How to get the tubing onto these nipples.  I struggled with this and mostly 
failed.  After I gave up, I ran into a friend at my club who suggested putting 
soap on the nipple and sticking the end in hot water for a few minutes before 
trying to install.  I think I can get to most places with a mug on hot water so 
this seems like a good idea, if it works.   I could bring the boat to the dock 
and use a heat gun (no 110V on boat), but it seems hot water will more 
uniformly heat the tubing, especially inside which is hard to get to with a 
heat gun.  Any other hints?  
Thanks- Dave

David Knecht
Rear Commodore
Thames Yacht Club
New London, CT



> On Sep 23, 2021, at 5:22 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER  wrote:
> 
> On my boat the ground wire has a ring terminal attached to the pump foot.  
> The original pump was screwed to the inside of the engine box with wood 
> screws and the ground came loose during the delivery home.  I later through 
> bolted it for better reliability and no problems since.  Knock on wood.
> 
> Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 34R
> 
> 
> 
>> On 09/22/2021 10:16 AM David Knecht via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I am trying to diagnose fuel issue. I dont understand pump wiring. There 
>> appears to be only one wire to pump. Where is it grounded?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
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>> Stu
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Stus-List Re: crank handle for roller furling boom on a 30 mk1

[Bob Tallman via CnC-List]

Great toy store indeed.  Make sure to keep the length to a minimum to avoid too much rocking.For grins regarding the size, is it 7/16, or is it 1/2? Just thinking if the measurements are in line with a ratchet drive, the square stock could be just a double ended female and use a ratchet drive.  A socket will fit over the square shaft, and then you can use a standard setup to crank the boom.Who is the manufacturer of the furling boom?Picture or two of the interface in question? On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:57 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:Go to mcmaster.com and order a piece of square tubing the correct size.  When you get it, drill holes through one end and put a screwdriver or long bolt through it.  Use it to square up the boom.https://www.mcmaster.com/square-tubing/--Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAOn Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 6:29 PM andrew_m--- via CnC-List  wrote:We recently purchased a 1974 C 30 mk1. Our boat has a roller furling boom, but didn?t come with the crank handle. Does anyone know where I can a get a crank handle for the roller furling boom on a 1974 C 30 mk1? have one I can borrow (we're near Victoria BC)? or know of another tool that'll work in place of the original crank handle? Our boom's stuck at about 30 degrees from where it should be and I'd love to turn it back.

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu-- Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu-- Regards,Bob Tallman631.387.6748Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
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Stus-List Re: Fuel pump

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

On my boat the ground wire has a ring terminal attached to the pump foot.  The 
original pump was screwed to the inside of the engine box with wood screws and 
the ground came loose during the delivery home.  I later through bolted it for 
better reliability and no problems since.  Knock on wood.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1989 34R



> On 09/22/2021 10:16 AM David Knecht via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> I am trying to diagnose fuel issue. I dont understand pump wiring. There 
> appears to be only one wire to pump. Where is it grounded?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Stus-List Re: crank handle for roller furling boom on a 30 mk1

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Brilliant!  

I had one on my 35MK1 but it went with the boat.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Sep 22, 2021, at 6:58 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Go to mcmaster.com and order a piece of square tubing the correct size.  When 
> you get it, drill holes through one end and put a screwdriver or long bolt 
> through it.  Use it to square up the boom.
> 
> https://www.mcmaster.com/square-tubing/
> 
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 6:29 PM andrew_m--- via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> We recently purchased a 1974 C 30 mk1. Our boat has a roller furling boom, 
>> but didn’t come with the crank handle. Does anyone know where I can a get a 
>> crank handle for the roller furling boom on a 1974 C 30 mk1? have one I 
>> can borrow (we're near Victoria BC)? or know of another tool that'll work in 
>> place of the original crank handle? Our boom's stuck at about 30 degrees 
>> from where it should be and I'd love to turn it back.
>> 
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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