Re: [CODE4LIB] HTML mark-up in MARC records

2009-06-25 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
to downstream consumers, you've made things awfully confusing and unpredictable. Jonathan Ere Maijala wrote: Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Ere Maijala wrote: That shouldn't be a problem as any sane OAI-PMH provider, unAPI or ATOM serializer would escape the contents. Things that resemble HTML

Re: [CODE4LIB] HTML mark-up in MARC records

2009-06-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Ere Maijala wrote: That shouldn't be a problem as any sane OAI-PMH provider, unAPI or ATOM serializer would escape the contents. Things that resemble HTML tags could be present in MARC records without any HTML-in-MARC too. Sure, and then, if you have html tags in your marc, that system doing

Re: [CODE4LIB] HTML mark-up in MARC records

2009-06-23 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
There are things you'd want to do with data in a MARC record _other_ than display it in HTML. Maybe you want to send it to someone in email, or a txt message. Embedding html in your marc is going to make this more difficult than it should be. Alexander Johannesen wrote: Hiya, I guess I'm

Re: [CODE4LIB] HTML mark-up in MARC records

2009-06-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yeah, if I was writing code to display MARC, I think the _right_ thing to do would be to escape anything I was displaying, because I'd assume it was NOT html, but might have or chars in it, etc. I don't think HTML tags belong in MARC, that seems like a bad idea to me. Unless there was a

Re: [CODE4LIB] How to access environment variables in XSL

2009-06-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
There is no way to do that inherent to XSL. There _might_ be a way to do that in the particular environment you are processing your XML. Which I guess is a Java XSL processor? I'd reccommend finding the listserv for the Java XSL processor you're using, and asking there. There might not be a

Re: [CODE4LIB] How to access environment variables in XSL

2009-06-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Jonathan Rochkind said, there's not really a built in way into XSL to refer to these things like some other languages. The reason is typically the XSL processor is used by some other language/system to transform a stylesheet, not connected directly to the web server. The cgi example works because you have

Re: [CODE4LIB] Durability of PDFs

2009-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
mobile # do...@uta.edu # http://rocky.uta.edu/doran/ -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:13 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Durability of PDFs The bet

Re: [CODE4LIB] FW: [CODE4LIB] Newbie asking for some suggestions with javascript

2009-06-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Does the xISSN documentation say that exceptions by non-OCLC members can be asked for, and instruct on where to make the request? If you want to keep from discouraging use accidentally by people who don't know they can get an exception, it needs to say that on the same page that talks about

Re: [CODE4LIB] A Book Grab by Google

2009-05-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
It's true that we have buns in the oven that are promissing. But it's also worth noting that HathiTrust mainly came about via the Google partnership, and they have certain limitations on what they can do with their scans that came out of the Google partnership (the current vast majority), as

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Ross Singer wrote: My point is that there's a step before that, possibly, where the theory behind unAPI, Jangle, whatever, is tested to even see if it's going in the right direction before writing it up formally as an RFC. I don't think the lack of adoption of unAPI has anything to do with the

[CODE4LIB] Amazon product API will require a crypto signature

2009-05-11 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The Amazon products API keeps changing it's name, and has just been changed to Amazon Product Advertising API -- it's the one you use to look up books in Amazon and get metadata for them, though. It looks from an email I got from Amazon that ss of August 15th, you'll need to cryptographically

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-11 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Alexander Johannesen wrote: Yeah, don't use MODS in general; it's a hack. It's even crazier still that many versions have the same namespace. What were they thinking?! Um, MODS is awfully useful for a bunch of reasons. I'm not going to stop using it because they've used namespaces in a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Amazon product API will require a crypto signature

2009-05-11 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, at least—now is hardly the time to make it less attractive. Tim On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: The Amazon products API keeps changing it's name, and has just been changed to Amazon Product Advertising API -- it's the one you use to look up books

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I don't understand from your description how Topic Maps solve the identifying multiple versions of a standard problem. Which was the original question, right? Or have I gotten confused? I didn't think the original question was even about topic vocabularies, but about how to best provide an

Re: [CODE4LIB] Curious about Cell Phone Barcode Scanning Apps

2009-05-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I started to do a just bit of web research in this. Open source barcode photo recognition software looks like it's _just_ starting to become realistically available. This was the product that looked most promissing in my web research (not sure if it's what the Android app is using):

Re: [CODE4LIB] exploiting z39.50

2009-05-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I wonder how xID handles superceded OCLCnums, if it'll still succesfully find the right matches for you? Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress wrote: From: Eric Lease Morgan emor...@nd.edu 1. What MARC field/subfield might I put this string? 2. How would I go about getting the string

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-03 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
for this resource (since the skos:Concept would need to have a URI), but we could probably hand wave that away as the id for the registry concept, not the data format. So -- we seem to have some agreement here? -Ross. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: From my

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-05-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All Jonathan Rochkind writes: Crosswalk is exactly the wrong answer for this. Two very small overlapping communities of most library developers can surely agree on using the same identifiers, and then we make things easier

Re: [CODE4LIB] Recommend book scanner?

2009-05-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Yeah, I don't think people use cameras instead of flatbed scanners because they produce superior results, or are cheaper: They use them because they're _faster_ for large-scale digitization, and also make it possible to capture pages from rare/fragile materials with less damage to the

Re: [CODE4LIB] One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

2009-04-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Crosswalk is exactly the wrong answer for this. Two very small overlapping communities of most library developers can surely agree on using the same identifiers, and then we make things easier for US. We don't need to solve the entire universe of problems. Solve the simple problem in front of

Re: [CODE4LIB] Use of rft.identifier in COiNS?

2009-04-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
There is no such thing as rft.identifier. There is an rft_id -- it's with the underscore, not a period, because it's not a data element in a _particular_ OpenURL format, rather it applies to any OpenURL format. rft_id can be set to any URI (although that URI does need to be itself

Re: [CODE4LIB] Use of rft.identifier in COiNS?

2009-04-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, and you can always use it. Hope this helps. OpenURL is... kinda a mess. Jonathan Jonathan Rochkind wrote: There is no such thing as rft.identifier. There is an rft_id -- it's with the underscore, not a period, because it's not a data element in a _particular_ OpenURL format, rather

Re: [CODE4LIB] exact title searches with z39.50

2009-04-28 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
HTML works out pretty well. If our biggest failures were 'failures' like HTML, we'd be doing pretty well. Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress wrote: From: Walker, David dwal...@calstate.edu I'm not sure it's a _big_ mess, though, at least for metasearching. I wasn't thinking

Re: [CODE4LIB] Ebsco Discovery Service WAS: [CODE4LIB] Serials Solutions Summon

2009-04-24 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Serials Solutions Summon Jonathan Rochkind wrote: It _would_ be great if SerSol would actually give you (if you were subscribed) a feed of their harvested and normalized metadata, so you could still pay them to collect and normalize it, but then use it for your own

Re: [CODE4LIB] Serials Solutions Summon

2009-04-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Both the terms federated searching and meta-searching are often used ambiguously to refer to both of these techniques. I've been trying to use broadcast search and local index to be clear about which technique I'm talking about. (I used to say 'cross-search' for 'broadcast search', but I

Re: [CODE4LIB] Serials Solutions Summon

2009-04-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Karen Schneider wrote: But I don't think I was clear with my question in any case; it occurs to me now that my true question wasn't code-related, but seeing Summon on the conf agenda prompted me to bring it up here. Namely: has anyone investigated whether the arrangements SerSol has with

Re: [CODE4LIB] Serials Solutions Summon

2009-04-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Thomas Dowling wrote: We've occasionally tried to disambiguate those terms for some purposes around here and realized that, if most people use them synonymously, they're synonyms. You can define differences between meta-, federated, and broadcast search, but every discussion on the topic will

Re: [CODE4LIB] Serials Solutions Summon

2009-04-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress wrote: Leaving aside metasearch and broadcast search (terms invented more recently) it is a shame if federated has really lost its distinction fromdistributed. Historically, a federated database is one that integrates multiple (autonomous) databases so it

Re: [CODE4LIB] Serials Solutions Summon

2009-04-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
(mobile) www.museglobal.com -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 08:59 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Serials Solutions Summon Ray Denenberg, Library

Re: [CODE4LIB] Serials Solutions Summon

2009-04-21 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Peter Murray wrote: I don't think it is part of SerSol's business model to offer a feed of the full metadata it aggregates, but it does seem to be part of the business model to offer an API upon which you could put your own interface to the underlying aggregated data. Yep, it's not

Re: [CODE4LIB] can code4lib survive Oracle's takeover of Sun?

2009-04-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The user community for these products is WAY bigger than code4lib, naturally. If Oracle manages to mess them up, then the user community will fork, or migrate to different products, and we will follow. Fortunately we are not alone here, there are giant communities formed around these open

Re: [CODE4LIB] Poor Apache Derby

2009-04-20 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Dan Scott wrote: In the context of the Oracle-Sun and MySQL/OpenOffice/yada yada parent thread, Derby demonstrates that a software project can 1) go from proprietary to open source, 2) be contributed to by (in some ways) direct competitors, and once it is open source 3) lose commercial support

Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification (was Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?)

2009-04-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Alexander Johannesen wrote: I think you are quite mistaken on this, but before we leap into wheter the web is suitable for SuDoc I'd rather point out that SuDoc isn't web friendly in itself, and *that* more than anything stands in the way of using them with the web. It stands in the way of

Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification (was Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?)

2009-04-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
The difference between URIs and URLs? I don't believe that URL is something that exists any more in any standard, it's all URIs. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't entirely agree with either dogmatic side here, but I do think that we've arrived at an awfully confusing (for developers)

Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification (was Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?)

2009-04-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
[alexander.johanne...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:48 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification (was Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?) On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 23:34, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: The difference between URIs

Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification (was Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?)

2009-04-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Thanks Ray. By that definition ALL http URIs are URLs, a priori. I read Alexander as trying to make a different distinction. Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress wrote: From: Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu The difference between URIs and URLs? I don't believe that URL is something

Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification (was Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?)

2009-04-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
that the environment those TAG documents are encouraging is a confusing one. Jonathan Houghton,Andrew wrote: From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:21 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB

Re: [CODE4LIB] Anyone else watching rev=canonical?

2009-04-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Wait, is this the same or different than link rel=canonical, as in: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2009/02/specify-your-canonical.html link rel=canonical seemed like a good idea to me. But when I start reading some of those URLs, it's not clear to me if they're talking about the

Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification (was Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?)

2009-04-10 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Well, the thing is, those sem web folks LIKE what has resulted. They think it's _good_ that http:// can be resolved with a certain protocol in some cases, but can be an arbitrary identifier untied to protocol in others. It definitely is convenient in some cases. I have mixed feelings, I

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-04-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Karen Coyle wrote: The ones that really puzzle me, however, are the OpenURL info namespace URIs for ftp, http, https and info. This implies that EVERY identifier used by OpenURL needs an info URI, even if it is a URI in its own right. They are under info:ofi/nam which is called Namespace

Re: [CODE4LIB] Something completely different

2009-04-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Karen Coyle wrote: Sorry, spoke/wrote too soon. FRBR at vocab.org isn't using the FRBR attributes either. And it does have the entities as classes. I'm still not sure how one can model a relationship between RDA or bibo properties and FRBR Group 1 entities and their properties. RDA tries to

[CODE4LIB] points of failure (was Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification )

2009-04-02 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Isn't there always a single point of failure if you are expecting to be able to resolve an http URI via the HTTP protocol? Whether it's purl.org or not, there's always a single point of failure on a given http URI that you expect to resolve via HTTP, the entity operating the web server at the

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-04-02 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Rob Sanderson wrote: info URIs, In My Opinion, are ideally suited for long term identifiers of non information resources. But http URIs are definitely better than something which isn't a URI at all. Through this discussion I am clarifying my thoughts on this too. I feel that info URIs are

[CODE4LIB] resolution and identification (was Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?)

2009-04-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Houghton,Andrew wrote: Lets separate your argument into two pieces. Identification and resolution. The DOI is the identifier and it inherently doesn't tie itself to any resolution mechanism. So creating an info URI for it is meaningless, it's just another alias for the DOI. I can create an

Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification (was Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?)

2009-04-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Houghton,Andrew wrote: From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:08 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification (was Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?) Houghton,Andrew wrote

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-04-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I completely disagree. There are all sorts of useful identifiers I use in my work every day that can not be automatically dereferenced. Jonathan Ed Summers wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com wrote: It wouldn't be good for much if you couldn't

Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification

2009-04-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Houghton,Andrew wrote: Organization need to have a clear understanding of what they are minting URIs for. Precisely. And in the real world... they don't always have that. Neither the minters nor the users of URIs, especially the users of http URIs, where you can find so many potential

Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification

2009-04-01 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
an info: URI can do, I agree. Jonathan Houghton,Andrew wrote: From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:23 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] resolution and identification Houghton,Andrew wrote

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Houghton,Andrew wrote: From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:09 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris? If GPO had a system where I could resolve Sudoc identifiers

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I think this is a good point. Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress wrote: From: Erik Hetzner erik.hetz...@ucop.edu I believe that registering a domain would be less work than going through an info URI registration process, but I don’t know how difficult the info URI registration process

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
So is there anything wrong with having both that http-based PURL URI available, AND an info uri? Not only available, but in common use? It gets complicated thinking about these things. There are potentially several things wrong with it. Jonathan Ross Singer wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Because the ability to de-reference seems to be the main reason to use an HTTP URI as an identifier, and the main reason that some people prefer an HTTP URI as an identifier to an info: URI. Jonathan Mike Taylor wrote: Ross Singer writes: There should be no issue with having both, mainly

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
This is a long argument that's been going on in other communities for a long time, Mike. I can see both sides. Jonathan Mike Taylor wrote: Jonathan Rochkind writes: Take, for instance, DOIs. What do you see in the wild? Do you ever see info:uris (except in OpenURLs)? If you

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Meanwhile, there are others who are arguing just as strongly that identifiers should _always_ be resolvable. Seriously, this debate has been going on in a while in other forums, we aren't the first to have it. I can see both sides, neither seems obviously right to me. Which I guess suggests

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
for these identifiers. Jonathan Houghton,Andrew wrote: From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:16 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris? Some hints of the existing argument in other

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Erik Hetzner wrote: I don’t actually think that there is anybody who is arguing that all identifiers must be resolvable. There are people who argue that there are identifiers which must NOT be resolvable; at least in their basic form. (see Stuart Weibel [1]). There are indeed people

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
There are obviously other uses for URIs than sticking them in an 'href' attribute of an a. Like, the uses I thought this conversation was about? What are we talking about again? Houghton,Andrew wrote: From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind

[CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Does anyone know the process for registering a sub-scheme for info: uris? I'd like to have one for SuDoc classification numbers, info:sudoc/. I'm not sure if I can register that on my own, without working with the US Government Printing Office, who actually maintains sudocs. But if I have to

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
: Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris? Does anyone know the process for registering a sub-scheme for info: uris? I'd like to have one for SuDoc classification numbers, info:sudoc/. I'm

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
- From: Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris? Thanks Ray. Oh boy, I don't know enough about SuDoc to describe the syntax rules fully. I can spend some more time with the SuDoc

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Thanks Ray. Oh boy, I don't know enough about SuDoc to describe the syntax rules fully. I can spend some more time with the SuDoc documentation (written for a pre-computer era) and try to figure it out, or do the best I can. I mean, the info registration can clearly

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
True, good point. I am looking for something a _bit_ more shareable between other software and institutions than tag. info: still seems a nice compromise to me. Houghton,Andrew wrote: From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Friday, March

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Aha, cool! Yeah, I could use tag for this, but it wouldn't seem appropriate for something I want to encourage others to use compatibly as well, info seems better. Houghton,Andrew wrote: From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Friday

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris? From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:18 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris? I am

Re: [CODE4LIB] registering info: uris?

2009-03-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, and call it a day, and leave it to someone else to figure out in 100 years. :) Jonathan Erik Hetzner wrote: At Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:18:24 -0400, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: I am not interested in maintaining a sudoc.info registration, and neither is my institution, who I wouldn't trust

Re: [CODE4LIB] Free cover images?

2009-03-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I have been using all four, and they seem to be working out. None of them are TOO too slow. But I haven't fully investigated or tracked for 'non-consistent performance', not sure what you mean there, just that sometimes it's slow? All of those seem to work fairly well for me. There is

Re: [CODE4LIB] Free cover images?

2009-03-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
You can get cover images from worldcat? How? I'm pretty sure the worldcat ToS specifically disallow you from re-using those covers, even if you are managing to get them via machine access somehow. Lynch,Katherine wrote: Going along with Jonathan Rochkind, Amazon does a good job of supplying

Re: [CODE4LIB] Free cover images?

2009-03-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, but getting addicted to this stuff is not without risk. If the load ever became something they cared about, they could turn it off in a snap. kyle On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: You can get cover images from worldcat? How? I'm pretty sure the worldcat

Re: [CODE4LIB] Free cover images?

2009-03-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
those that are actually searching Worldcat. --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind [rochk

Re: [CODE4LIB] Free cover images?

2009-03-16 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
but charged for it, then I wouldn't be allowed to use the free GBS APIs at all, since it would be an alternatative to a paid service? Makes no sense. Jonathan Nate Vack wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: However, my understanding is that Worldcat

[CODE4LIB] more comments on award idea

2009-03-11 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
As I think about the award idea more, I still don't really like it. (Sorry Eric!). Some comments at http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/03/09/why-i-dont-like-the-code4lib-code-award-idea/ With a shorter version below (thanks Jodi). The award will inevitably be seen as an endorsement of the

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib open source software award

2009-03-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I worry about putting the name Code4Lib on it, and implying that somehow Code4Lib collectively approves the awardee. Code4Lib can’t do much of anything collectively. But the name seems to have acquired a cachet among people who may not understand what it is. People within Code4Lib will have

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib open source software award

2009-03-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Karen, you should post your notes from that break-out somewhere. Take your choice of on the listserv, on www.code4lib.org, on wiki.code4lib.org, on your own blog, wherever you think is appropriate. :) I think it's good that as a community we're starting to discuss these issues more, and learn

Re: [CODE4LIB] code4lib open source software award

2009-03-06 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Mike Taylor wrote: The Motion Picture Academy doesn't collectively know enough about what makes good movies to give a Best Picture Oscar reliably, either, but that doesn't stop them taking their best guess. And if the Oscars are our model, color me even more concerned. :) But the _effect_

Re: [CODE4LIB] ticTOCs makes its data available to developers

2009-02-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I hadn't known about Zetoc either! How did I miss that? They both seem very useful. One of the tricks with using ticTOCs, is that the RSS feeds (provided by the publisher) may include links to article full text that may or may not be accessible to any given institution's patrons, depending

Re: [CODE4LIB] ticTOCs makes its data available to developers

2009-02-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Doh, is Zetoc not free? Nevermind my excitement about it in that case. :) Jonathan Dr R. Sanderson wrote: Thanks Terry, a really good comparison! One more that I came up with, in thinking about this slightly further ... ticTOCs is open to the public whereas ZETOC requires an institutional

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Didn't we finish having this conversation last week? We talked about all this stuff being brought up now last week. Andrew, for why marc+xml is appropriate, see RFC 3023. I am completely confident that application/marc+xml would be the right type to register for (eg) MARC XML , and that until

Re: [CODE4LIB] ticTOCs makes its data available to developers

2009-02-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
St, PO Box 123 Liverpool, L69 3DA, UK Tel: +44 (0)151 794 2692 Fax: +44 (0)151 794 2681 From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind [rochk...@jhu.edu] Sent: 12 February 2009 17:13 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
than LC who could conceivably fill out an application for application/marc+xml and application/mods_xml? Seriously, application/xml is not sufficient, although it is legal. Jonathan Alexander Johannesen wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 22:32, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Didn't

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-12 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Alexander Johannesen wrote: One question we haven't asked is if we really need a MIME type for MARCXML. :) PPS: Yes, it has been asked, and it's pretty obvious to me that we do. Because I write lots of software that will be fetching MARCXML from the web, and needs to know what it's got.

[CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I am actually rather shocked that it seems that MARC-XML, MODS, MARC21-binary, do not have registered Internet Content Types (aka MIME types). Am I missing something, or is this really so? Anyone know what the process is for registering such? Anyone want to help try to do that? I guess we'd

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
. I don't have any of those files handy. Ethan On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I am actually rather shocked that it seems that MARC-XML, MODS, MARC21-binary, do not have registered Internet Content Types (aka MIME types). Am I missing something

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: I am actually rather shocked that it seems that MARC-XML, MODS, MARC21-binary, do not have registered Internet Content Types (aka MIME types). Am I missing something, or is this really so? Anyone know what the process

Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.?

2009-02-04 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Wed 2/4/2009 11:01 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] MIME Type for MARC, Mods, etc.? If anyone does want to work on it, I'd be happy to help. Maybe I'll contact clay. The most immediate and clear need I see is for application/marc+xml and application/mods

Re: [CODE4LIB] marc21 and usmarc

2009-01-27 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Alexander Johannesen wrote: I would say a little bit more than oh well (but I don't really have; you know how I feel :), but I would love to hear what the vendors are thinking about this all. They seem to very, very quiet about it all (without speculating to why ...) Because their customers

Re: [CODE4LIB] multimedia carrier vocabulary?

2009-01-26 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
, Scotland/ I hope this helps. Diane Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Thanks Diane. That article on RDA/ONIX doesn't seem to include actual terms, the actual vocabularly. I realize there are plans to 'register' it officially, but prior to that, can the actual term list be found anywhere in human-readable

Re: [CODE4LIB] Dutch Code4Lib

2009-01-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
...@tudelft.nl skype: eposthumus twitter: http://twitter.com/epoz http://www.library.tudelft.nl/ Prometheusplein 1, 2628 ZC, Delft, Netherlands -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] Dutch Code4Lib

2009-01-22 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
think it's premature to worry about it, since there is no proposal on the table. And if there were a proposal on the table, why not just vote on it and not worry about making a rule about it? //Ed -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins

Re: [CODE4LIB] multimedia carrier vocabulary?

2009-01-15 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
a way to go yet. Diane Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Thanks, that's interesting too. One of the most useful lists I've found is actually in ONIX, Code List 7. http://www.editeur.org/codelists.html Although Code List 7 actually needs to be supplemented by Code List 78 if you want full detail. (Like

[CODE4LIB] multimedia carrier vocabulary?

2009-01-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
_far_ from good though. Any others anyone knows about? Jonathan -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] multimedia carrier vocabulary?

2009-01-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
-Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:24 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] multimedia carrier vocabulary? Anyone know of any good existing controlled vocabulary for 'format

Re: [CODE4LIB] multimedia carrier vocabulary?

2009-01-14 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
) to build them up in ways that will be much more useful. Diane Jonathan Rochkind wrote: Anyone know of any good existing controlled vocabulary for 'format' or 'carrier' for multimedia materials? I'm thinking of things like CD, DVD, digital, etc. The closest I can get is from RDA at http

[CODE4LIB] hotel for conf?

2009-01-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
So the Marriott for the conference hotel is telling me there are no rooms with two queen beds available. That's kind of a problem, since I was planning on sharing a room with a colleague. Anyone know if there's any way around that? Jonathan -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib wiki -- Collaboration on open source book widgets

2009-01-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
/openbookwpress-general. John m...@johnmiedema.ca http://johnmiedema.ca We love open source. strikeNo, you can't/strike Yes, you can have our code. -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu

[CODE4LIB] audio/video citations in an OpenURL

2009-01-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
and there's a way to do this, can you give me an example of a DC KEV OpenURL with a type in it specifying something like 'audio' or 'video'? Jonathan ** -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] audio/video citations in an OpenURL

2009-01-07 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
we will learn from in subsequent standards. Jonathan Ross Singer wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: Hmm, I could send a DC KEV OpenURL (ie info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:dc ; there is no format for an XML DC? Kind of odd), and use the type element

[CODE4LIB] conference hotel?

2009-01-02 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Can someone send me the special code I need to get the conference rate at the hotel? I forgot to keep it from the conf registration process, and it doesn't appear to be available anywhere else, once you've registered? Jonathan

Re: [CODE4LIB] Mime type for PHP serialized objects

2008-12-30 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:38 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Mime type for PHP serialized objects If you want to publish calendar event information, you should use iCal/iCalendar

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-09 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kcoyle.net ph.: 510-540-7596 skype: kcoylenet fx.: 510-848-3913 mo.: 510-435-8234 -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu

Re: [CODE4LIB] COinS in OL?

2008-12-08 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
LCCN--Library of Congress Control Number--eg 98013779--, yes. LCC--Library of Congress Classification--eg BF575.H27 W35 1991--I don't think so. Jonathan Eric Hellman wrote: just catch up on the discussion here... for the benefit of those who aren't on the openurl list, it was pointed out

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