Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo
emolanphy++ I, too, being a closet design nerd, would also volunteer to be on some sort of committee. -Sean Emily Molanphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/29/08 4:51 PM Ignite, Drupal, Ubuntu, OLPC and lots of other tech groups have logos and brand identities. Actually some of the best- known logos are for non- profits-- I'll bet most of us can mentally summon the United Way logo, no problem. I don't see it as a corpporate gesture. Code4Lib is a group that people are excited to be associated with, so I think it makes sense to have a logo to put on stickers, shirts, etc. I'll offer that I tried my hand at designing a logo for my library last year. In fact, several of my colleagues made attempts as well, but I won't implicate them by name. The results ranged from uninspiring to ridiculously terrible. We're now working with a professional graphic designer and I think that's a good way to go. Because of our project, I've gotten interested in logos and would like to volunteer to serve on the committee, if there is one. Emily
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Ranti Junus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a side note, I'll go for the temporary tattoos. Also a sticker that I can put on my laptop. ;-) Just temporary tattoos? Where are the good tattoo shops in Providence, RI? ;-) Kevin -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?
Before hiring a professional, I suggest we tap into our own resources first. I personally have designed several logos for companies and websites (in some cases I was even paid!), but am by no means professionally trained, nor do I consider myself a professional graphic designer. I would bet that there are others in this community that are similarly talented, or have similarly talented students/colleagues. If one person would be interested in taking submissions and putting them on a webpage to tally votes, we could all have a say. If this route proves unsuccessful, then hiring a professional would certainly be an option. Either way, there should be a few guidelines predetermined (to make things easier for everyone involved) such as file format and size. I typically suggest logos be 2 or 3 colors max, not including negative space. Since I'm new to the community, are there any colors/fonts that are used/preferred, or is this branding a grounds-up sort of operation? :) Amanda __ Amanda Hartman, MLIS, Digital Services Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College 1651 East Parham Road Parham Campus Library, Richmond VA 23228 Phone: (804) 523-5226 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.amandahartman.com -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Schneider Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:32 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo? I agree on the need for branding, and on offering the community several professionally-developed choices. I worded that carefully. I'd like to see a professionally-designed logo for the same reason I like to watch good software developers at work: the quality of effort doth pleaseth the citizens. I'd like to see Code4Lib to have a logo that reflects the quality of the people associated with its loose sovereignty. Branding means a lot, and it tells many stories. Without waxing prolix about those stories (though I'll be happy to do that if anyone's interested in further justification for my argument), I'll move on to say a little room for bubble-up efforts would also be apropos. You never know who's out there or what they are possible of. (Oh Brad, you guys can't write an *ILS.*) My take would be that if we have the resources, to offer the community several choices from an entity whose business it is to design logos, yet encourage write-ins. -- | Karen G. Schneider | Community Librarian | Equinox Software Inc. The Evergreen Experts | Toll-free: 1.877.Open.ILS (1.877.673.6457) x712 | E-Mail/AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Web: http://www.esilibrary.com On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I am all for a logo, but I also agree with Kevin it needs to be a community based decision. I'm also not sold that we need a professional designed logo, but I'm not against it either. I can understand why a business would not want to leave it to amateurs (although I have seen some great logos created by design school students) but I'm not sure what a professional logo would give us that a community derived one wouldn't. Roy, what do you think that would be that would gain by using a professional logo company? Edward - actually wearing a code4lib conference t-shirt right now On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, looking at Software Freedom Day, which has somehow managed to get itself a logo with virtually no organizational infrastructure, I don't see why Code4Lib shouldn't. I suspect their logo design wasn't done by amateurs, however, even if they were volunteers. Of course they have a much larger, global base of volunteers... I think it's a cool idea. Carol On Sep 19, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: I like the idea. A real logo would be nice. My one caveat is I'd still like everyone who'd like to have a voice to have one (I like voting). I'd be less in favor of a committee of volunteers to make the decision. I don't know how that would work with a professional graphic designer though. Could they give us several options and open it up to a vote? Kevin On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in the middle of writing a blog post about Code4Lib going regional when it hit me -- here we have this incredibly successful brand and yet we lack a t-shirt. But I guess we lack a t-shirt because we lack a logo to put on it. The closest we get are the items that decorate our web site. Are we at the point where we're ready to establish an official graphic identity, that can grace our web site, journal, conference, etc.? I think so. So here's my proposal: we take some of the money that has been passed down from conference to conference and we hire a graphic designer to do a professional job of it. Branding is best not left to amateurs. We put together a committee of volunteers to
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?
I'll vote no on a logo. Not interested in adopting corporate mentality. -- Wally Jonathan Rochkind wrote: To me, a committee of volunteers that anyone interested can be on _is_ a community decision. This is sort of a philosophical discussion/debate we've had before. Some people think community democracy contradicts having a certain specific committee, community democracy requires that everyone involved in the community can step in and step out at any time, can participate in every decision even if they hadn't participated in previous decisions, etc. Me, I don't think that's a requirement, and I think there are often problems with that approach. To me, establishing a committee which is open to any volunteers---but which carries with it the expectation that serving on the committee is accepting responsibility for getting stuff done---is community democracy too, and often preferable. In this case, I think either could work, whatever people who want to spend time organizing it want to organize. (Ah, but again, the recognition that there will be some certain people who spend time organizing it. If it's going to happen, that's just a fact, some people will really take on and do the work, that's how it works. That's why I'd say, okay, call them a committee. Certainly, the opinions of anyone in the committee should be taken into account by those doing the work, but I don't have a lot of patience for people who demand unlimited decision making power without accepting responsibility for work.). Jonathan Edward M. Corrado wrote: I am all for a logo, but I also agree with Kevin it needs to be a community based decision. I'm also not sold that we need a professional designed logo, but I'm not against it either. I can understand why a business would not want to leave it to amateurs (although I have seen some great logos created by design school students) but I'm not sure what a professional logo would give us that a community derived one wouldn't. Roy, what do you think that would be that would gain by using a professional logo company? Edward - actually wearing a code4lib conference t-shirt right now On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, looking at Software Freedom Day, which has somehow managed to get itself a logo with virtually no organizational infrastructure, I don't see why Code4Lib shouldn't. I suspect their logo design wasn't done by amateurs, however, even if they were volunteers. Of course they have a much larger, global base of volunteers... I think it's a cool idea. Carol On Sep 19, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: I like the idea. A real logo would be nice. My one caveat is I'd still like everyone who'd like to have a voice to have one (I like voting). I'd be less in favor of a committee of volunteers to make the decision. I don't know how that would work with a professional graphic designer though. Could they give us several options and open it up to a vote? Kevin On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in the middle of writing a blog post about Code4Lib going regional when it hit me -- here we have this incredibly successful brand and yet we lack a t-shirt. But I guess we lack a t-shirt because we lack a logo to put on it. The closest we get are the items that decorate our web site. Are we at the point where we're ready to establish an official graphic identity, that can grace our web site, journal, conference, etc.? I think so. So here's my proposal: we take some of the money that has been passed down from conference to conference and we hire a graphic designer to do a professional job of it. Branding is best not left to amateurs. We put together a committee of volunteers to handle it. I know of at least one design firm that I think would do a good job, since they just designed a t-shirt for OCLC that we really liked, and they were delighted to work with library coders. See http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/. There are no doubt others as well. One of the nice things about a logo is that although it establishes a solid graphic identity, it doesn't really take any organizational infrastructure to do it, which seems to fit right in with the c4l vibe. So am I crazy? Stupid? Or right? You decide. Roy -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better. Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, a committee of volunteers that anyone interested can be on _is_ a community decision. Yeah, I'm fine with this too (kind of). I would be against a committee that wasn't open to whomever wanted to join (like, here are ten people who are going to decide this), but I'm fine with an open committee... The only downside with this approach (which would worry me a bit) is that people who aren't the elders (a term I think ecorrado used at one point) might feel like they shouldn't get involved in such a small committee because they've only been hanging around six months or so (or whatever). As long as everyone feels like they have as much a right to put their 2 cents in as anyone else, open committees are fine. That's one advantage of the larger group (for this sort of thing) though... you can place your anonymous vote without having to assume any real responsibility... you get the ownership without any of the work ;-) but I don't have a lot of patience for people who demand unlimited decision making power without accepting responsibility for work.). Yeah, that's it. I have no problem (for this sort of thing) with someone who doesn't assume any responsibility but wants to have a say. It's a little different I think than the journal where there is an ongoing commitment (it's a project that requires sustained work). Kevin -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?
The key to working with a professional is in identiyfing the design program — what the organization's story is, who its community is, and who you want to get your message to with the branding, as well as identifying what uses the logo will be used for — print, promotional items (t-shirts, hats, temporary tatoos, whatever), online — which has on effect on the deliverables, e.g. file sizes and formats. I'm for the logo that are designed professionally like the design program described above. This doesn't mean that the designer have to be a professional. They could be amateurs as well. LaunchPad [1] and SpamAssassin [2] have great examples. On a side note, I'll go for the temporary tattoos. Also a sticker that I can put on my laptop. ;-) ranti. [1] https://help.launchpad.net/logo/ [2] http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/LogoContest -- Bulk mail. Postage paid.
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On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Michael J. Giarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If folks are in favor of someone in the community -- the list now has over 1,000 subscribers -- rather than a professional designing the logo, perhaps this could be a contest of sorts, much like our conference t-shirt contest. What's the prize? Why, free admission to code4lib 2009! Just a crazy idea. Otherwise, I like the idea of having a professional handle it with community approval. -1 on hiring a professional. What part of outsourcing creative fits right in with the c4l vibe? I'm skeptical of the need for a logo in general, but if we did it like we handled the t-shirts I don't see any downside. --jay
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?
Dear Code4Lib, Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its activities under a unified brand. Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your community. To that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one request would be that you actually work with me as a professional designer, rather than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to many people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as Roy said, not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge the input and ideas from the community. As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small committee to handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at large. I'll start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment on, and we'll go from there. What do you think? Sincerely, Stephanie Brinley President, Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?
Dear Code4Lib, Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its activities under a unified brand. Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your community. To that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one request would be that you actually work with me as a professional designer, rather than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to many people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as Roy said, not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge the input and ideas from the community. As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small committee to handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at large. I'll start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment on, and we'll go from there. What do you think? Sincerely, Stephanie Brinley President, Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com
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I should clarify for those who might not have been following this thread closely, Stephanie Brinley said that she was volunteering to create a logo for code4lib. Options 1 and 3 would both cost us some money, whereas option 2 would be free of charge. Edward Edward M. Corrado wrote: I am still not convinced we need a professional designed logo, but it seems most people who responded to this thread do, so I'm happy to go along with it. Personally, I'd just type code4lib in Helvitica, save it as a .png and be done with it :-). Compared to the other links we have seen, I like what I have seen on Stephanie Brinley's site better than the other sites that were posted. The logos are simple, yet memorable and in some way elegant. At any point, it seems we should have some sort of vote and come to a decision on how we are going to proceed. If I recall, our choices are: 1) Go with http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/ 2) Go with Stephanie Brinley's Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/ 3) Use a design contest method on http://99designs.com/ 4) Have people submit a logo for the community to vote on like we did for conference t-shirts Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be discussed)? Edward Carol Bean wrote: I don't know who Roy or the others have in mind, but I like what I see at adeliedesign.com. Given her requirements, which don't seem too unreasonable, I wonder if we could start with the code4lib community making the choice of which designer to work with? Carol On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Stephanie Brinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Code4Lib, Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its activities under a unified brand. Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your community. To that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one request would be that you actually work with me as a professional designer, rather than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to many people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as Roy said, not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge the input and ideas from the community. As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small committee to handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at large. I'll start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment on, and we'll go from there. What do you think? Sincerely, Stephanie Brinley President, Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/
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Ignite, Drupal, Ubuntu, OLPC and lots of other tech groups have logos and brand identities. Actually some of the best-known logos are for non-profits--I'll bet most of us can mentally summon the United Way logo, no problem. I don't see it as a corpporate gesture. Code4Lib is a group that people are excited to be associated with, so I think it makes sense to have a logo to put on stickers, shirts, etc. I'll offer that I tried my hand at designing a logo for my library last year. In fact, several of my colleagues made attempts as well, but I won't implicate them by name. The results ranged from uninspiring to ridiculously terrible. We're now working with a professional graphic designer and I think that's a good way to go. Because of our project, I've gotten interested in logos and would like to volunteer to serve on the committee, if there is one. Emily
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Nicolas Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM, wally grotophorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll risk ostracism and admit that I think this concern with a logo is a little too corporate for my sensibilities. But then that'd be part of the guidelines given to the designer: the logo shouldn't look too corporate if it's to represent what the code4lib community is about... Nicolas Actually, his beef appears to be with the group's concern itself, regardless of any logo produced. Is that a correct interpretation, Wally? It would be a logical entailment that if the group can't consider producing a logo, it either goes on without one or maybe lucks into having one (or several, perhaps of varying quality) with some unstable *de facto*consensus. To me, the results of this approach tend to look amateurish (including my own). I think code4lib should have a quality logo, and therefore should have an open and deterministic process for producing and selecting one. This fairly rudimentary level of organization really has nothing to do with corporateness. My family picks the photo they want to sent out with the Christmas cards, but that doesn't make us a corporation. If there is a persuasive case to be made *against* pursuing a logo for the group, please consider now the time to make it... --joe atzberger
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I submit this for a logo: http://code4lib.org/themes/panizzi/panizzi-watermark.png Flogging the I don't give a rat's ass vote since 1 minute ago. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we've been getting a variety of responses to my suggestion that now may be a good time to establish a graphic identity for Code4Lib, I've set up a poll to try to gauge the sense of the community on this issue. Please see http://code4lib.org/node/256. Roy
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, a committee of volunteers that anyone interested can be on _is_ a community decision. Well it all depends on how the committee is selected doesn't it? If it's people who care enough to volunteer, and are selected, and nobody is excluded then yeah I agree. But if it's some cabal of people that aren't selected in any meaningful way then it's not. I think voting on stuff like this has served code4lib well in the past .. and I don't see any reason to kill that spirit now. //Ed
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In regards to ownership and trademarks... Typically, the client has full ownership of a logo to use however they wish. Since Code4Lib technically can't own the logo, I would recommend having the logo released under the Attribution-NoDerivshttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/3.0/CC License. This will allow your community to use the logo however you see fit, while still maintaining the integrity of the brand. Also, you can claim trademark on the logo just by adding a TM to it and using it in a manner consistent with trademark law. The R-ball, as it is referred to, can only legally be used if it is registered with the federal government. -- Stephanie Brinley Adelie Design On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Thomas Dowling wrote: On 09/23/2008 09:38 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote: Personally, I'd just type code4lib in Helvitica, save it as a .png and be done with it A proprietary font? I suspect that DejaVu Sans Mono is more simpatico with code4lib. :-) Well, if we are going to pay for something... but I concede your point. Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be discussed)? How about trademark ownership and permissions for any logo? I'd hate to see any conflict or misunderstanding down the road about who can put the logo on what, who can sell t-shirts with it, etc. Good point. I don't particularly care what we decide, but I think we do need to come up with a group decision about this issue. Edward -- Stephanie Brinley Designer, President AdelieDesign.com (765) 274-0383
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Thomas Dowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about trademark ownership and permissions for any logo? I'd hate to see any conflict or misunderstanding down the road about who can put the logo on what, who can sell t-shirts with it, etc. Good questions. I might lean towards what Wally said though about this getting a little too organized/corporate if we go that route. I'd like a nice logo because... well... oooh shiny! I'm not that interested in it for branding purposes though. I'd like the main body of code4lib to remain as disorganized as humanly possible (though I think it's fine for all the code4lib projects (the conference, journal, planet, etc.) to organize themselves as much as they like/need). My 2 cents... Kevin -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better.
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I find this debate interesting. In the regular world, whenever there is a revolution somewhere, the new government typically spends insane amounts of energy renaming streets and other symbols. Anyone that's been involve in a website design knows that you'll spend an eternity in font and color hell while elements in desperate need of attention (structure, functionality, etc) are ignored. At the end of the day, it is the substance of code4lib that makes it what it is. Logos, committees, and the like are relevant, but it's important not to get too caught up in internal dynamics. I suspect that hardly anyone will notice whether the code4lib logo is totally fly or if it sucks. Consider ACM. The name is an anachronism. The logo is as boring as it gets. Yet they do all right. However, symbols and external perceptions are sometimes important. If that weren't true, bottled water companies wouldn't be nearly as successful as they are. kyle
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2-3 colors max++ --- David Cloutman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electronic Services Librarian Marin County Free Library -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [Amanda Hartman] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:45 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo? Before hiring a professional, I suggest we tap into our own resources first. I personally have designed several logos for companies and websites (in some cases I was even paid!), but am by no means professionally trained, nor do I consider myself a professional graphic designer. I would bet that there are others in this community that are similarly talented, or have similarly talented students/colleagues. If one person would be interested in taking submissions and putting them on a webpage to tally votes, we could all have a say. If this route proves unsuccessful, then hiring a professional would certainly be an option. Either way, there should be a few guidelines predetermined (to make things easier for everyone involved) such as file format and size. I typically suggest logos be 2 or 3 colors max, not including negative space. Since I'm new to the community, are there any colors/fonts that are used/preferred, or is this branding a grounds-up sort of operation? :) Amanda __ Amanda Hartman, MLIS, Digital Services Librarian J. Sargeant Reynolds Community College 1651 East Parham Road Parham Campus Library, Richmond VA 23228 Phone: (804) 523-5226 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.amandahartman.com -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen Schneider Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:32 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo? I agree on the need for branding, and on offering the community several professionally-developed choices. I worded that carefully. I'd like to see a professionally-designed logo for the same reason I like to watch good software developers at work: the quality of effort doth pleaseth the citizens. I'd like to see Code4Lib to have a logo that reflects the quality of the people associated with its loose sovereignty. Branding means a lot, and it tells many stories. Without waxing prolix about those stories (though I'll be happy to do that if anyone's interested in further justification for my argument), I'll move on to say a little room for bubble-up efforts would also be apropos. You never know who's out there or what they are possible of. (Oh Brad, you guys can't write an *ILS.*) My take would be that if we have the resources, to offer the community several choices from an entity whose business it is to design logos, yet encourage write-ins. -- | Karen G. Schneider | Community Librarian | Equinox Software Inc. The Evergreen Experts | Toll-free: 1.877.Open.ILS (1.877.673.6457) x712 | E-Mail/AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Web: http://www.esilibrary.com On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I am all for a logo, but I also agree with Kevin it needs to be a community based decision. I'm also not sold that we need a professional designed logo, but I'm not against it either. I can understand why a business would not want to leave it to amateurs (although I have seen some great logos created by design school students) but I'm not sure what a professional logo would give us that a community derived one wouldn't. Roy, what do you think that would be that would gain by using a professional logo company? Edward - actually wearing a code4lib conference t-shirt right now On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, looking at Software Freedom Day, which has somehow managed to get itself a logo with virtually no organizational infrastructure, I don't see why Code4Lib shouldn't. I suspect their logo design wasn't done by amateurs, however, even if they were volunteers. Of course they have a much larger, global base of volunteers... I think it's a cool idea. Carol On Sep 19, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: I like the idea. A real logo would be nice. My one caveat is I'd still like everyone who'd like to have a voice to have one (I like voting). I'd be less in favor of a committee of volunteers to make the decision. I don't know how that would work with a professional graphic designer though. Could they give us several options and open it up to a vote? Kevin On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in the middle of writing a blog post about Code4Lib going regional when it hit me -- here we have this incredibly successful brand and yet we lack a t-shirt. But I guess we lack a t-shirt because we lack a logo to put on it. The closest we get are the items that decorate our web site. Are we at the point where we're ready to establish an official graphic identity
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In my experience, good brands accurately represent the organizational nature of the entities they represent. IMHO, as disorganized as humanly possible, isn't such a bad place to start. :) --- David Cloutman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electronic Services Librarian Marin County Free Library -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin S. Clarke Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:52 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Thomas Dowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about trademark ownership and permissions for any logo? I'd hate to see any conflict or misunderstanding down the road about who can put the logo on what, who can sell t-shirts with it, etc. Good questions. I might lean towards what Wally said though about this getting a little too organized/corporate if we go that route. I'd like a nice logo because... well... oooh shiny! I'm not that interested in it for branding purposes though. I'd like the main body of code4lib to remain as disorganized as humanly possible (though I think it's fine for all the code4lib projects (the conference, journal, planet, etc.) to organize themselves as much as they like/need). My 2 cents... Kevin -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better. Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm
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I don't know who Roy or the others have in mind, but I like what I see at adeliedesign.com. Given her requirements, which don't seem too unreasonable, I wonder if we could start with the code4lib community making the choice of which designer to work with? Carol On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Stephanie Brinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Code4Lib, Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its activities under a unified brand. Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your community. To that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one request would be that you actually work with me as a professional designer, rather than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to many people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as Roy said, not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge the input and ideas from the community. As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small committee to handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at large. I'll start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment on, and we'll go from there. What do you think? Sincerely, Stephanie Brinley President, Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/ -- Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am still not convinced we need a professional designed logo, but it seems most people who responded to this thread do, so I'm happy to go along with it. Personally, I'd just type code4lib in Helvitica, save it as a .png and be done with it :-). Compared to the other links we have seen, I like what I have seen on Stephanie Brinley's site better than the other sites that were posted. The logos are simple, yet memorable and in some way elegant. At any point, it seems we should have some sort of vote and come to a decision on how we are going to proceed. If I recall, our choices are: 1) Go with http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/ 2) Go with Susan Brinley's Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/ 3) Use a design contest method on http://99designs.com/ 4) Have people submit a logo for the community to vote on like we did for conference t-shirts Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be discussed)? Edward Carol Bean wrote: I don't know who Roy or the others have in mind, but I like what I see at adeliedesign.com. Given her requirements, which don't seem too unreasonable, I wonder if we could start with the code4lib community making the choice of which designer to work with? Carol On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Stephanie Brinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Code4Lib, Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its activities under a unified brand. Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your community. To that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one request would be that you actually work with me as a professional designer, rather than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to many people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as Roy said, not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge the input and ideas from the community. As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small committee to handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at large. I'll start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment on, and we'll go from there. What do you think? Sincerely, Stephanie Brinley President, Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/
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I'll risk ostracism and admit that I think this concern with a logo is a little too corporate for my sensibilities. -- Wally On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote: I am still not convinced we need a professional designed logo, but it seems most people who responded to this thread do, so I'm happy to go along with it. Personally, I'd just type code4lib in Helvitica, save it as a .png and be done with it :-). Compared to the other links we have seen, I like what I have seen on Stephanie Brinley's site better than the other sites that were posted. The logos are simple, yet memorable and in some way elegant. At any point, it seems we should have some sort of vote and come to a decision on how we are going to proceed. If I recall, our choices are: 1) Go with http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/ 2) Go with Susan Brinley's Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/ 3) Use a design contest method on http://99designs.com/ 4) Have people submit a logo for the community to vote on like we did for conference t-shirts Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be discussed)? Edward Carol Bean wrote: I don't know who Roy or the others have in mind, but I like what I see at adeliedesign.com. Given her requirements, which don't seem too unreasonable, I wonder if we could start with the code4lib community making the choice of which designer to work with? Carol On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Stephanie Brinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Code4Lib, Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its activities under a unified brand. Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your community. To that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one request would be that you actually work with me as a professional designer, rather than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to many people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as Roy said, not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge the input and ideas from the community. As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small committee to handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at large. I'll start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment on, and we'll go from there. What do you think? Sincerely, Stephanie Brinley President, Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM, wally grotophorst [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I'll risk ostracism and admit that I think this concern with a logo is a little too corporate for my sensibilities. But then that'd be part of the guidelines given to the designer: the logo shouldn't look too corporate if it's to represent what the code4lib community is about... Nicolas -- Wally On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote: I am still not convinced we need a professional designed logo, but it seems most people who responded to this thread do, so I'm happy to go along with it. Personally, I'd just type code4lib in Helvitica, save it as a .png and be done with it :-). Compared to the other links we have seen, I like what I have seen on Stephanie Brinley's site better than the other sites that were posted. The logos are simple, yet memorable and in some way elegant. At any point, it seems we should have some sort of vote and come to a decision on how we are going to proceed. If I recall, our choices are: 1) Go with http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/ 2) Go with Susan Brinley's Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/ 3) Use a design contest method on http://99designs.com/ 4) Have people submit a logo for the community to vote on like we did for conference t-shirts Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be discussed)? Edward Carol Bean wrote: I don't know who Roy or the others have in mind, but I like what I see at adeliedesign.com. Given her requirements, which don't seem too unreasonable, I wonder if we could start with the code4lib community making the choice of which designer to work with? Carol On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Stephanie Brinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Code4Lib, Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to bring its activities under a unified brand. Having close ties, I would like to do my part to help out your community. To that end, I am volunteering to design a logo for Code4Lib. My one request would be that you actually work with me as a professional designer, rather than turning this into an open contest. Code4Lib is many things to many people. Reconciling these perspectives into a single brand is, as Roy said, not an amateur task, and will require some coordination to merge the input and ideas from the community. As for the process, I think Roy has it right. Form a small committee to handle the details and distill the opinions of the community at large. I'll start with a few drafts the committee and community can comment on, and we'll go from there. What do you think? Sincerely, Stephanie Brinley President, Adelie Design http://www.AdelieDesign.com/
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On 09/23/2008 09:38 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote: Personally, I'd just type code4lib in Helvitica, save it as a .png and be done with it A proprietary font? I suspect that DejaVu Sans Mono is more simpatico with code4lib. :-) Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be discussed)? How about trademark ownership and permissions for any logo? I'd hate to see any conflict or misunderstanding down the road about who can put the logo on what, who can sell t-shirts with it, etc. -- Thomas Dowling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas Dowling wrote: On 09/23/2008 09:38 AM, Edward M. Corrado wrote: Personally, I'd just type code4lib in Helvitica, save it as a .png and be done with it A proprietary font? I suspect that DejaVu Sans Mono is more simpatico with code4lib. :-) Well, if we are going to pay for something... but I concede your point. Has there been any other options discussed (or that should be discussed)? How about trademark ownership and permissions for any logo? I'd hate to see any conflict or misunderstanding down the road about who can put the logo on what, who can sell t-shirts with it, etc. Good point. I don't particularly care what we decide, but I think we do need to come up with a group decision about this issue. Edward
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Since we've been getting a variety of responses to my suggestion that now may be a good time to establish a graphic identity for Code4Lib, I've set up a poll to try to gauge the sense of the community on this issue. Please see http://code4lib.org/node/256. Roy
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I also volunteer Roy for this. g The key to working with a professional is in identiyfing the design program — what the organization's story is, who its community is, and who you want to get your message to with the branding, as well as identifying what uses the logo will be used for — print, promotional items (t-shirts, hats, temporary tatoos, whatever), online — which has on effect on the deliverables, e.g. file sizes and formats. Leslie Ed Summers [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/2008 11:41 AM How about we allow anyone to submit ideas, and use some of the $$ like Roy suggested to get a professional one from someone--and then we vote on all of them? I nominate Roy for coordinating the pro-design, and the vote :-) //Ed
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To me, a committee of volunteers that anyone interested can be on _is_ a community decision. This is sort of a philosophical discussion/debate we've had before. Some people think community democracy contradicts having a certain specific committee, community democracy requires that everyone involved in the community can step in and step out at any time, can participate in every decision even if they hadn't participated in previous decisions, etc. Me, I don't think that's a requirement, and I think there are often problems with that approach. To me, establishing a committee which is open to any volunteers---but which carries with it the expectation that serving on the committee is accepting responsibility for getting stuff done---is community democracy too, and often preferable. In this case, I think either could work, whatever people who want to spend time organizing it want to organize. (Ah, but again, the recognition that there will be some certain people who spend time organizing it. If it's going to happen, that's just a fact, some people will really take on and do the work, that's how it works. That's why I'd say, okay, call them a committee. Certainly, the opinions of anyone in the committee should be taken into account by those doing the work, but I don't have a lot of patience for people who demand unlimited decision making power without accepting responsibility for work.). Jonathan Edward M. Corrado wrote: I am all for a logo, but I also agree with Kevin it needs to be a community based decision. I'm also not sold that we need a professional designed logo, but I'm not against it either. I can understand why a business would not want to leave it to amateurs (although I have seen some great logos created by design school students) but I'm not sure what a professional logo would give us that a community derived one wouldn't. Roy, what do you think that would be that would gain by using a professional logo company? Edward - actually wearing a code4lib conference t-shirt right now On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, looking at Software Freedom Day, which has somehow managed to get itself a logo with virtually no organizational infrastructure, I don't see why Code4Lib shouldn't. I suspect their logo design wasn't done by amateurs, however, even if they were volunteers. Of course they have a much larger, global base of volunteers... I think it's a cool idea. Carol On Sep 19, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: I like the idea. A real logo would be nice. My one caveat is I'd still like everyone who'd like to have a voice to have one (I like voting). I'd be less in favor of a committee of volunteers to make the decision. I don't know how that would work with a professional graphic designer though. Could they give us several options and open it up to a vote? Kevin On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in the middle of writing a blog post about Code4Lib going regional when it hit me -- here we have this incredibly successful brand and yet we lack a t-shirt. But I guess we lack a t-shirt because we lack a logo to put on it. The closest we get are the items that decorate our web site. Are we at the point where we're ready to establish an official graphic identity, that can grace our web site, journal, conference, etc.? I think so. So here's my proposal: we take some of the money that has been passed down from conference to conference and we hire a graphic designer to do a professional job of it. Branding is best not left to amateurs. We put together a committee of volunteers to handle it. I know of at least one design firm that I think would do a good job, since they just designed a t-shirt for OCLC that we really liked, and they were delighted to work with library coders. See http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/. There are no doubt others as well. One of the nice things about a logo is that although it establishes a solid graphic identity, it doesn't really take any organizational infrastructure to do it, which seems to fit right in with the c4l vibe. So am I crazy? Stupid? Or right? You decide. Roy -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better. Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jonathan Rochkind Digital Services Software Engineer The Sheridan Libraries Johns Hopkins University 410.516.8886 rochkind (at) jhu.edu
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I've done a lot of work with designers over the years, and I wouldn't be surprised if a number of us work with professional designers from time to time. It may be possible to get a designer to provide some concepts as a volunteer, particularly since it might prove to be a great foot in the door for getting contracts. Regardless, logos are tricky things to design, and almost always turn out better when done by a seasoned pro. I would strongly recommend finding someone to do it professionally. I certainly have people I could ask. I don't think we are limited to choosing a single designer to develop concepts, if we use volunteers. As for process, we'd probably want a committee to create a requirements document and sort and compile feedback, but use voting to choose concepts. This would balance the need for the entire community to have a voice, with the designer's need to get balanced and consistent feedback in the revision process. I think a good process would go something like this: 1. Put out an open invitation for interested list members to serve on a logo design committee. Committee members can expect to make a 1 year commitment. 2. Committee selects a project manager from members. This person serves as a point of contact for designers, and makes sure other committee members are on task. 3. Committee develops a brief requirements document for the logo, and submits it to the list for feedback. 4. Committee takes community feedback and revises requirements document. 5. Committee openly solicits designers to submit concepts and posts requirements document. Sets a deadline for submission of concept(s). 6. Put all concepts up for an initial vote by the list. 7. Take top three concecepts from initial vote, and have a runoff vote. The concept with the most votes is selected. 8. List members are given an opportunity to comment on the submitted design concept. 9. Committee members review comments from community and reconcile feedback. 10. Project manager develops feedback document for designer. 11. Designer revises concept. 12. Committee reviews revision for conformance to revision documents, submits new revision document. 13. Deign is revised again. 14. Possibly one more round of review and revision. 15. Design is finalized. 16. Final artwork is delivered in a industry-standard, vector-based format, such as EPS. I would suggest that if we spend money on this, that we provide a stipend to the designer who's design is selected to help cover the expense and tediousness of the revision process. - David --- David Cloutman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electronic Services Librarian Marin County Free Library -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Summers Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 8:41 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo? How about we allow anyone to submit ideas, and use some of the $$ like Roy suggested to get a professional one from someone--and then we vote on all of them? I nominate Roy for coordinating the pro-design, and the vote :-) //Ed Email Disclaimer: http://www.co.marin.ca.us/nav/misc/EmailDisclaimer.cfm
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On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am all for a logo, but I also agree with Kevin it needs to be a community based decision. I'm also not sold that we need a professional designed logo, but I'm not against it either. If folks are in favor of someone in the community -- the list now has over 1,000 subscribers -- rather than a professional designing the logo, perhaps this could be a contest of sorts, much like our conference t-shirt contest. What's the prize? Why, free admission to code4lib 2009! Just a crazy idea. Otherwise, I like the idea of having a professional handle it with community approval. -Mike
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In the case of logo, as in many other cases, a professional hand is most appropriate. Experience indicates that the result does not only depend on good wishes, common sense and aesthetics. Who would have imagined that Googles´s colored balls would be the right thing for that brand?. As said before: it takes more than just good common sense. Best wishes Luis Herrera Quoting Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am all for a logo, but I also agree with Kevin it needs to be a community based decision. I'm also not sold that we need a professional designed logo, but I'm not against it either. I can understand why a business would not want to leave it to amateurs (although I have seen some great logos created by design school students) but I'm not sure what a professional logo would give us that a community derived one wouldn't. Roy, what do you think that would be that would gain by using a professional logo company? Edward - actually wearing a code4lib conference t-shirt right now On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, looking at Software Freedom Day, which has somehow managed to get itself a logo with virtually no organizational infrastructure, I don't see why Code4Lib shouldn't. I suspect their logo design wasn't done by amateurs, however, even if they were volunteers. Of course they have a much larger, global base of volunteers... I think it's a cool idea. Carol On Sep 19, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: I like the idea. A real logo would be nice. My one caveat is I'd still like everyone who'd like to have a voice to have one (I like voting). I'd be less in favor of a committee of volunteers to make the decision. I don't know how that would work with a professional graphic designer though. Could they give us several options and open it up to a vote? Kevin On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in the middle of writing a blog post about Code4Lib going regional when it hit me -- here we have this incredibly successful brand and yet we lack a t-shirt. But I guess we lack a t-shirt because we lack a logo to put on it. The closest we get are the items that decorate our web site. Are we at the point where we're ready to establish an official graphic identity, that can grace our web site, journal, conference, etc.? I think so. So here's my proposal: we take some of the money that has been passed down from conference to conference and we hire a graphic designer to do a professional job of it. Branding is best not left to amateurs. We put together a committee of volunteers to handle it. I know of at least one design firm that I think would do a good job, since they just designed a t-shirt for OCLC that we really liked, and they were delighted to work with library coders. See http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/. There are no doubt others as well. One of the nice things about a logo is that although it establishes a solid graphic identity, it doesn't really take any organizational infrastructure to do it, which seems to fit right in with the c4l vibe. So am I crazy? Stupid? Or right? You decide. Roy -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better. Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
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How about we allow anyone to submit ideas, and use some of the $$ like Roy suggested to get a professional one from someone--and then we vote on all of them? I nominate Roy for coordinating the pro-design, and the vote :-) //Ed
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+1 I like Rob's idea. It seems in the same vein as code4lib as an (un)organization. Kevin On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Rob Casson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: think it's a swell ideasolr is looking at a new logo, and this site came up on-list: http://99designs.com/ not endorsing, or painting a bikeshedjust a heads-up. rc -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better.
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I like the idea. A real logo would be nice. My one caveat is I'd still like everyone who'd like to have a voice to have one (I like voting). I'd be less in favor of a committee of volunteers to make the decision. I don't know how that would work with a professional graphic designer though. Could they give us several options and open it up to a vote? Kevin On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in the middle of writing a blog post about Code4Lib going regional when it hit me -- here we have this incredibly successful brand and yet we lack a t-shirt. But I guess we lack a t-shirt because we lack a logo to put on it. The closest we get are the items that decorate our web site. Are we at the point where we're ready to establish an official graphic identity, that can grace our web site, journal, conference, etc.? I think so. So here's my proposal: we take some of the money that has been passed down from conference to conference and we hire a graphic designer to do a professional job of it. Branding is best not left to amateurs. We put together a committee of volunteers to handle it. I know of at least one design firm that I think would do a good job, since they just designed a t-shirt for OCLC that we really liked, and they were delighted to work with library coders. See http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/. There are no doubt others as well. One of the nice things about a logo is that although it establishes a solid graphic identity, it doesn't really take any organizational infrastructure to do it, which seems to fit right in with the c4l vibe. So am I crazy? Stupid? Or right? You decide. Roy -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better.
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I don't see that as a problem at all, typically designers will start with a few ideas, get feedback from the client, then make the final. The vote could identify the leading candidate, but then we would likely need to give some final guidance to the designer which would need to be distilled from group comments. We would also still need at one individual (/me takes one large step back) to be the designer contact. They won't want to deal with a group. But voting seems fine to me. Roy On 9/19/08 9/19/08 8:39 PM, Kevin S. Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the idea. A real logo would be nice. My one caveat is I'd still like everyone who'd like to have a voice to have one (I like voting). I'd be less in favor of a committee of volunteers to make the decision. I don't know how that would work with a professional graphic designer though. Could they give us several options and open it up to a vote? Kevin On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in the middle of writing a blog post about Code4Lib going regional when it hit me -- here we have this incredibly successful brand and yet we lack a t-shirt. But I guess we lack a t-shirt because we lack a logo to put on it. The closest we get are the items that decorate our web site. Are we at the point where we're ready to establish an official graphic identity, that can grace our web site, journal, conference, etc.? I think so. So here's my proposal: we take some of the money that has been passed down from conference to conference and we hire a graphic designer to do a professional job of it. Branding is best not left to amateurs. We put together a committee of volunteers to handle it. I know of at least one design firm that I think would do a good job, since they just designed a t-shirt for OCLC that we really liked, and they were delighted to work with library coders. See http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/. There are no doubt others as well. One of the nice things about a logo is that although it establishes a solid graphic identity, it doesn't really take any organizational infrastructure to do it, which seems to fit right in with the c4l vibe. So am I crazy? Stupid? Or right? You decide. Roy --
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?
Well, looking at Software Freedom Day, which has somehow managed to get itself a logo with virtually no organizational infrastructure, I don't see why Code4Lib shouldn't. I suspect their logo design wasn't done by amateurs, however, even if they were volunteers. Of course they have a much larger, global base of volunteers... I think it's a cool idea. Carol On Sep 19, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: I like the idea. A real logo would be nice. My one caveat is I'd still like everyone who'd like to have a voice to have one (I like voting). I'd be less in favor of a committee of volunteers to make the decision. I don't know how that would work with a professional graphic designer though. Could they give us several options and open it up to a vote? Kevin On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in the middle of writing a blog post about Code4Lib going regional when it hit me -- here we have this incredibly successful brand and yet we lack a t-shirt. But I guess we lack a t-shirt because we lack a logo to put on it. The closest we get are the items that decorate our web site. Are we at the point where we're ready to establish an official graphic identity, that can grace our web site, journal, conference, etc.? I think so. So here's my proposal: we take some of the money that has been passed down from conference to conference and we hire a graphic designer to do a professional job of it. Branding is best not left to amateurs. We put together a committee of volunteers to handle it. I know of at least one design firm that I think would do a good job, since they just designed a t-shirt for OCLC that we really liked, and they were delighted to work with library coders. See http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/. There are no doubt others as well. One of the nice things about a logo is that although it establishes a solid graphic identity, it doesn't really take any organizational infrastructure to do it, which seems to fit right in with the c4l vibe. So am I crazy? Stupid? Or right? You decide. Roy -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better. Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?
I am all for a logo, but I also agree with Kevin it needs to be a community based decision. I'm also not sold that we need a professional designed logo, but I'm not against it either. I can understand why a business would not want to leave it to amateurs (although I have seen some great logos created by design school students) but I'm not sure what a professional logo would give us that a community derived one wouldn't. Roy, what do you think that would be that would gain by using a professional logo company? Edward - actually wearing a code4lib conference t-shirt right now On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, looking at Software Freedom Day, which has somehow managed to get itself a logo with virtually no organizational infrastructure, I don't see why Code4Lib shouldn't. I suspect their logo design wasn't done by amateurs, however, even if they were volunteers. Of course they have a much larger, global base of volunteers... I think it's a cool idea. Carol On Sep 19, 2008, at 11:39 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: I like the idea. A real logo would be nice. My one caveat is I'd still like everyone who'd like to have a voice to have one (I like voting). I'd be less in favor of a committee of volunteers to make the decision. I don't know how that would work with a professional graphic designer though. Could they give us several options and open it up to a vote? Kevin On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in the middle of writing a blog post about Code4Lib going regional when it hit me -- here we have this incredibly successful brand and yet we lack a t-shirt. But I guess we lack a t-shirt because we lack a logo to put on it. The closest we get are the items that decorate our web site. Are we at the point where we're ready to establish an official graphic identity, that can grace our web site, journal, conference, etc.? I think so. So here's my proposal: we take some of the money that has been passed down from conference to conference and we hire a graphic designer to do a professional job of it. Branding is best not left to amateurs. We put together a committee of volunteers to handle it. I know of at least one design firm that I think would do a good job, since they just designed a t-shirt for OCLC that we really liked, and they were delighted to work with library coders. See http://www.sanchezcircuit.com/catalog/. There are no doubt others as well. One of the nice things about a logo is that although it establishes a solid graphic identity, it doesn't really take any organizational infrastructure to do it, which seems to fit right in with the c4l vibe. So am I crazy? Stupid? Or right? You decide. Roy -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe there are two kinds of people and those who know better. Carol Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?
think it's a swell ideasolr is looking at a new logo, and this site came up on-list: http://99designs.com/ not endorsing, or painting a bikeshedjust a heads-up. rc
