Re: Government License

2014-07-14 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jul 2, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:24 AM, David Welton wrote: > > Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military > > uses. > > Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because > it goes against th

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:24 AM, David Welton wrote: > > Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military > > uses. > > Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because > it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you > can't exclude

RE: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
special Java disclaimer is not present. (See http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk9/jdk9/jdk/file/2df45ac1bf49/LICENSE. - Dennis From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:di...@webweaving.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 01:46 To: community@apache.org Cc: David Welton Subject: Re: Government License Op 2

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
Nope... Freedome #0 and OSD #6 On Jul 2, 2014, at 3:37 AM, Johannes Geppert wrote: > Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete > usage scenarios instead? > Like cyber crime and/or spying > - T

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Tamás Cservenák
fraction of the cost). > > rgds > jan I > >> >> >> Jan >> >> >> >> *Von:* Johannes Geppert [mailto:jo...@apache.org] >> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2014 09:37 >> *An:* community@apache.org >> *Betreff:* Re: Go

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
Op 2 jul. 2014, om 10:33 heeft Greg Stein het volgende geschreven: > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:24 AM, David Welton wrote: > > Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military > > uses. > > Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because > it goes ag

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:24 AM, David Welton wrote: > > Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military > > uses. > > Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because > it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you > can't exclude p

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread jan i
ittwoch, 2. Juli 2014 09:37 > *An:* community@apache.org > *Betreff:* Re: Government License > > > > Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete > usage scenarios instead? > > Like cyber crime and/or spying > > > > Johann

AW: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Jan Matèrne
Even if you could exclude cyber crime and spying from a legal use by your license - do you really think that these users would follow your license? Jan Von: Johannes Geppert [mailto:jo...@apache.org] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2014 09:37 An: community@apache.org Betreff: Re: Government

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Johannes Geppert
Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete usage scenarios instead? Like cyber crime and/or spying Johannes # web: http://www.jgeppert.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep 2014-07-02 9:24 GMT+02:00 David Welton :

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread David Welton
> Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military > uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, Illinois nazi

Re: Government License

2014-07-01 Thread Henri Yandell
Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Hen On Monday, June 30, 2014, McGovern, James wrote: > Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the > Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to > create a new enc

Re: Government License

2014-06-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:40 AM, McGovern, James wrote: > Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the > Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to > create a new encryption algorithm but for whatever reasons, don’t want the > NSA to have acces

Re: Government License

2014-06-30 Thread Jim Jagielski
Sure. But then it wouldn't be either an Open Source nor a Free Software license. On Jun 30, 2014, at 10:40 AM, McGovern, James wrote: > Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal > Government in using its software? For example, you may want to create a new >

Re: Government License

2014-06-30 Thread David Nalley
That wouldn't be an open source license. Remember freedom #1 - free to be able to use in any manner for any purpose. That said there are actually a number of licenses that 'no evil' clauses in them; and IIRC there are licenses that forbid use by the US government; though a quick google failed me. B

Re: Government License

2014-06-30 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 06/30/2014 09:40 AM, McGovern, James wrote: > Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the > Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to > create a new encryption algorithm but for whatever reasons, don’t want > the NSA to have access to it. I

Government License

2014-06-30 Thread McGovern, James
Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to create a new encryption algorithm but for whatever reasons, don’t want the NSA to have access to it. http://facebook.com/McGovernForCT