RE: "Jobs" List again (fwd)

Thanks. I will send out an announcement to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Henning On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 20:41, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Done. Public list, private archives. > > --- Noel > > -Original Message- > From: Brian Behlendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >

RE: "Jobs" List again (fwd)

Done. Public list, private archives. --- Noel -Original Message- From: Brian Behlendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 14:31 To: Noel J. Bergman Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: "Jobs" List again (fwd) Open subscription. I'd say private archives, most

RE: Inexpensive Lists

--On Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:20 PM -0400 "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: He seems to feel that a Member can create a list and provide oversight. FWIW, the 'official' policy is documented at: -- Creating the List Ask your Project Managemen

RE: Inexpensive Lists

> > "Do it yourself" scales, and I would think that any ASF member should be > > able to create a list, given evident consensus. We did the same for the > > Incubator files, remember? > Uh, no. That's the argument here: lists require the appropriate oversight > structure. I believe he was referr

Re: Inexpensive Lists

--On Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:07 PM +0200 Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Do it yourself" scales, and I would think that any ASF member should be able to create a list, given evident consensus. We did the same for the Incubator files, remember? Uh, no. That's the argument here: l

RE: Inexpensive Lists

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > > I don't think you have any idea how much goes into creating a new list. > > I just did a quick count. There are 16+ commands to execute on 3 ASF > > servers, plus a file in CVS that needs to be edited, committed, and > > updated on minotaur. Per list. And a dev or u

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Re: Inexpensive Lists

Noel J. Bergman wrote: Apart from the fact that you have put much more energy in talking against this than creating the list (hint hint ;-) ... I don't think you have any idea how much goes into creating a new list. I just did a quick count. There are 16+ commands to execute on 3 ASF servers, plu

Re: patents (was: Inexpensive Lists)

Greg Stein wrote: > Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > David Crossley wrote: > > > > >BTW, i thought that Antonio's alert about another potential M$ > > >attack was warranted. He seems to care for the ASF as a whole. > > >On which other list is he going to alert us all? > > > > FWIW, the only sensible

patents (was: Inexpensive Lists)

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 12:15:18AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > --On Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:54 PM +1000 David Crossley > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >BTW, i thought that Antonio's alert about another potential M$ > >attack was warranted. He seems to care for the ASF as a whole. > >On w

RE: Inexpensive Lists

> Apart from the fact that you have put much more energy in talking > against this than creating the list (hint hint ;-) ... I don't think you have any idea how much goes into creating a new list. I just did a quick count. There are 16+ commands to execute on 3 ASF servers, plus a file in CVS th

RE: Inexpensive Lists

Hi, if the information "everyone that is an ASF committer and wants to help out can _subscribe_ to infrastructure@" would be more widely disseminated, I'm pretty sure that more people will come. :-) At least to me, this was not clear until a few minutes ago. I just subscribed. Regards

RE: Inexpensive Lists

> If you are 'stuck' running the infrastructure, why don't you > let others help you? The Infrastructure Team has put out requests for help for over a year on things that would really help. There have been a number of people added over the past year, who work on specific areas, such as JIRA, the

Re: Inexpensive Lists

--On Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:07 AM +0200 Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Or tell those others here on community@, what we can do to be considered as "junior infrastructure people" to relief your burdens. You could start off by not using community@ to discuss infrastructure to

Re: Inexpensive Lists

--On Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:54 PM +1000 David Crossley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BTW, i thought that Antonio's alert about another potential M$ attack was warranted. He seems to care for the ASF as a whole. On which other list is he going to alert us all? FWIW, the only sensible strategy to s

Re: Inexpensive Lists

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 23:50, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > --On Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:01 PM -0400 Stefano Mazzocchi > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I completely disagree with this view. > > I don't see why the ASF *has* to support water-cooler conversations. It > just doesn't coincide wit

Re: Inexpensive Lists

Niclas Hedhman wrote: Please give me a hint on what can be posted on a mailing list, that a PMC can do anything about... Maybe that exists, but I can't imagine it. - Proprietary source code (SCO's, DeCSS impl, etc...) - Excessive profanity or beligerent discussions - Slander (stretching...) PMC ov

Re: Inexpensive Lists

Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > > Mailing lists without PMC oversight should be treated with extreme caution. > Lists without the necessary oversight might expose the ASF to unwanted > liability. The ASF isn't a personal soapbox medium: it's meant to > facilitate collaborative software projects. A

RE: Inexpensive Lists

> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:45 AM > Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > ... > > Again, a list is fine. I'd just prefer to find someone > else to host it: > > the ASF isn't the end-all-be-all to all of your hosting > needs. And, > > obviously

Re: Inexpensive Lists

On Thursday 22 July 2004 14:36, Martin Cooper wrote: > Uh, isn't that a bit like asking why we need PMCs to oversee the projects? > After all, the only people who can make changes are the committers, and > they surely all respect each other, right? ;-) Code can contain legal problems that can be

RE: Inexpensive Lists

> -Original Message- > From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:45 PM > To: community@apache.org > Subject: Re: Inexpensive Lists > > > > > Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > ... > > Again, a list is fine. I'd just prefer to find someone else to > ho

Re: Inexpensive Lists

Justin Erenkrantz wrote: ... Again, a list is fine. I'd just prefer to find someone else to host it: the ASF isn't the end-all-be-all to all of your hosting needs. And, obviously, feel free to invite all of the ASF folks to that list. -- Apart from the fact that you have put much more energy

Re: Inexpensive Lists

Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It is said that "ASF is ALL about the Community, not about code.", > and if you are to live up to that, you must allow for people to > 'socialize' and 'share experiences' with fellow ASFers in all > aspects of life. That fosters a comradeship and a feel

Re: Inexpensive Lists

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Thursday 22 July 2004 05:50, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:01 PM -0400 Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I completely disagree with this view. I don't see why the ASF *has* to support water-cooler conversations. I

Re: Inexpensive Lists

On Thursday 22 July 2004 05:50, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > --On Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:01 PM -0400 Stefano Mazzocchi > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I completely disagree with this view. > > I don't see why the ASF *has* to support water-cooler conversations. It > just doesn't coincide with

Re: Inexpensive Lists

I think one thing folks are asking for is an [EMAIL PROTECTED], one where idle questions and chitchat about cool solutions and code for our servers and sites would be shared. But I agree with Justin, beyond this purpose, I just don't see the need to replace the vital external lists that already

Re: Inexpensive Lists (was: Re: Python anybody?)

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > --On Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:22 PM -0400 Henri Yandell > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > list. Go read groklaw. However, discussions on whether a python community > > should exist seem to be perfectly designed for the community list (unless > >