Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On 24 Aug 2008, at 20:00, Fredrik Wendt wrote: ... I tried to argue with this dude at http://www.vimeo.com/1366042 but pretty soon found out that it was all in vain ... Fuck! There are some retards in that thread. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On 24 Aug 2008, at 20:00, Fredrik Wendt wrote: ... I tried to argue with this dude at http://www.vimeo.com/1366042 but pretty soon found out that it was all in vain ... Fuck! There are some retards in that thread. Stroller. True.. but I would admit that usability does need to be worked on. Just a thought... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
More posts to Planet Openmoko
Hi people! Just want to remind you that there is http://planet.openmoko.org/ available. As far as I know, it's meant for community to share their blog posts about openmoko, neo, freerunner. Maybe even qtopia and debian on freerunner. Too bad that there are not that many posts: I know that people are blogging about freerunner and software for it so why not add your feed to the planet and get more readers. I have no idea how to do it but I'm sure someone will let us know soon.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Stroller schreef: On 24 Aug 2008, at 20:00, Fredrik Wendt wrote: ... I tried to argue with this dude at http://www.vimeo.com/1366042 but pretty soon found out that it was all in vain ... Fuck! There are some retards in that thread. Stroller. That's the video Neowin featured on their frontpage after the release of the freerunner, isn't it? If you want to read more of those retarded comments you should visit it. I, however, stopped bothering. They're just trolls, what else can you say? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS logger / field data collection
Brian Wilson wrote: IMO, just use the raw Ublox binary format. It's rather simple to decode. I have already implemented a binary decoder for the Ublox binary format based on Ublox open documentation of the protocol. My plan is to release this code under the GPL at some point. The only GPS receiver that I have that does u-blox binary format is the one in the Freerunner, and the others are Trimble and Garmin and SiRF and NMEA. So I'd be limited to using only one receiver out of my collection. No, I also plan to support a number of other receivers. I defined a simple virtual interface for that. My point is that there is no need to create an intermediate format for storing. The original binary format is just fine. I plan to support RINEX at some point too but just as another format, not as the base format. My ublox decoder is just 500 loc and half of it is the binary structure definitions. The framework python decoder (ubx.py) is about the same size. Anyway, this is just vaporware for now as I didn't release anything :-) Especially I'd love to be able to use the fancy Trimble ProXH via bluetooth and not be forced to use the Windows Mobile device they expect you to use. (Trimble Recon) Is there some documentation of the format? If yes I guess the gpsd project already supports it and it should be easy for me to support it too. So I was looking for a more general solution. Well, I consider my solution as a general one. But it's a starting point anyway, and hey, I work on this about 10 minutes a day so I'd say dive in! That's what I said once before getting addicted to open source development ;-) Abdel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gutenflash
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:45 AM, Gilles Casse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, For info, a new ipk for Gutenflash (Rapid text reader) is available: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gutenflash Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community thanks! btw: it doesn't create a *.desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More posts to Planet Openmoko
Hi, Am Montag, den 25.08.2008, 10:35 +0300 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: Hi people! Just want to remind you that there is http://planet.openmoko.org/ available. As far as I know, it's meant for community to share their blog posts about openmoko, neo, freerunner. Maybe even qtopia and debian on freerunner. Too bad that there are not that many posts: I know that people are blogging about freerunner and software for it so why not add your feed to the planet and get more readers. I have no idea how to do it but I'm sure someone will let us know soon.. such a project planet can be used in two ways: For all posts, even non-openmoko or non-technical, from members of the community, for the community spirit, or only for on-topic posts. planet.debian.org for example has the former policy. And there ought to be a language policy (english only, or anything) Anyways, I’d be interested to join. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's Enlightenment doing for so long?
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:06:07PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:33:22 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: After de Booting part with a progress report, we get the Boot's again. But I already can ssh into the Freerunner, and doing a top I see that it's enlightenment who's taking a bloody huge time loading up. Feels like about half of the booting time. I wonder what could be done to speed it up... it's 1. loading config 2. connecting to x and querying stuff, settign up atoms and properties 3. loading data (theme) files 4. scanning disk for .desktop files (as these are all the applications) 5. scanning fonts for use 6. setting up ipc 7. testing runtime breakages (eg you removed the png, jpeg or eet loaders from evas as they are runtime replacable modules) 8. dbusinit and connect 9. query some hal info (removable devices etc.) 10. loading its own modules and letting them all do their init. also note it only gets a fraction of the resources - qpe (and its tools like mediaserver and quicklancher) all are fighting over cpu - the animated splash uses a bit too, so as such it's left with about 15-20% of the cpu at least for itself to do its init. the splash of course could be simpler and use less cpu. no plash and u'd just have a blank screen for a while (its a config option of course). Thank you, My point wasn't to criticize but to check out what could be done to speed up this component in order to have a smaller boot time, and with a different screen. Since the resources are quite low in comparison to a modern computer maybe it needs some low-resource-computer specific optimizations. I'm actually considering studying e's libraries in order to create some replacements for the most common applications. I think it's quite intolerable that in idle the main applications (at least) aren't near instantaneous, and if e's the way to go, then e-like apps should be written. Rui -- Or not. Today is Boomtime, the 18th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Language in categories
Dear Dolfje, It looks like on August 20th, near midnight, your bot escaped and went wild with categories list and added langage suffixes. Example: # # Applications (99 members) # Applications/de (6 members) # Applications/it (13 members) # Applications/nl (1 member) # Applications/ru (1 member) # Applications/zh cn (2 members) # Applications/zh tw (1 member) # Is it as obvious for you as for me that it's better to revert ? Minh -- Minh HA-DUONGChargé de recherche CNRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIRED, Campus du Jardin Tropical tel: +33 1 43 94 73 81 45bis ave. de la Belle Gabrielle fax: +33 1 43 94 73 70F94736 Nogent-sur-Marne, France Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://minh.haduong.com (work), http://minh69.blogspot.com (personal) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
else:
self.timeouts = { \
IDLE: 1,
IDLE_DIM: 2,
IDLE_PRELOCK: 3,
LOCK: 4,
SUSPEND: 20, \
}
But i don't really know if these numbers are minutes or something else.
line 119 says they are seconds:
self.timeout = gobject.timeout_add_seconds( self.timeouts[IDLE],
self.onIDLE )
But after installing the new compiled package the result is not exactly
what i hoped for. Within xfce and no thone running the behaviour is the
same as before. Ahen i start zhone the backlight dims after ~25s and
gets complete dark and locks after ~15s more.
Line 93 reads
# override default timeouts with configuration (if set)
for key in self.timeouts:
self.timeouts[key] = config.getInt( MODULE_NAME, key.lower(),
self.timeouts[key] )
so maybe your frameworkd.conf overrides these? I'm sorry for not
reading the whole source code when I suggested you to change it.
Better than sourcode editing. :)
This didn't work at all. When i try to compile it with apt-get --build
source zhone i get an error message that some archives couldn't be
downloaded. I only got zhone_0-git20080809.orig.tar.gz and it also wants
the dsc and diff file.
Can you try again? I just did aptitude update with
deb-src http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian unstable main
deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ sid main
deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ experimental main
in sources.list and can get the sources just fine:
$ apt-get source zhone
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Need to get 918kB of source archives.
Get:1 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable/main zhone 0-git20080809-4
(dsc) [1215B]
Get:2 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable/main zhone 0-git20080809-4
(tar) [914kB]
Get:3 http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable/main zhone 0-git20080809-4
(diff) [2779B]
Fetched 918kB in 1s (658kB/s)
dpkg-source: extracting zhone in zhone-0-git20080809
dpkg-source: info: unpacking zhone_0-git20080809.orig.tar.gz
dpkg-source: info: applying zhone_0-git20080809-4.diff.gz
I think i was missing the debian source repositories. I only have the
fso source repo in my sources.list.
I will try it again with these two additional repos.
Is there a way to change this setting for xfce?
At the moment if you don't run zhone then brigthness won't change
depending on idle status. You can always send dbus suitable messages
yourself to control the brightness from xfce. I can lookup the
required command to do this if you can't figure it out (but I'm bit
busy right now).
No problem. To send these commands manually isn't the way i want to
adjust the brightness. ;)
Ciao,
Rainer
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Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
HI, I got my shipping confirmation end of July and recieved the package mid of last week. Seems it hab been opened by german customs. Perhabs that is why it took so long. cheers Bastian On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I ordered my FR full-body shield quite some time ago, and got a shipping confirmation on July 8th. I received it last friday, August 22nd. So, it took them a bit more than the stated time to send me the shield, but I received it in the end. Patience pays off! HTH! Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- spread the word ... see www.browsehappy.com ;o) Calvin: Weekends don't count unless you spend them doing something completely pointless. Join the Greater IBM Connection (http://www.xing.com/premiumgroup-6291.d26b7d) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: More posts to Planet Openmoko
Joachim Breitner wrote: Am Montag, den 25.08.2008, 10:35 +0300 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: [...] As far as I know, it's meant for community to share their blog posts about openmoko, neo, freerunner. Maybe even qtopia and debian on freerunner. Too bad that there are not that many posts: I know that people are blogging about freerunner and software for it so why not add your feed to the planet and get more readers. I have no idea how to do it but I'm sure someone will let us know soon.. quite simple. make sure you have a tag/category in your blog and that the 'relevant to openmoko in some way' articles are tagged with that. then just open a ticket at http://admin-trac.openmoko.org and tell us the url of your xml-feed (for that category!) and we will add it to the configfile of planet.openmoko.org you can see the used config for examples here: http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/trac/browser/trunk/planet.openmoko.org/home_planet_planet_openmoko.org/config.ini such a project planet can be used in two ways: For all posts, even non-openmoko or non-technical, from members of the community, for the community spirit, or only for on-topic posts. planet.debian.org for example has the former policy. And there ought to be a language policy (english only, or anything) the current policy is: add a feed of a category, not the whole blog. that way everybody can decide if he/she thinks its related to om or not. about languages, currently not., if we have enough posts in multiple languages we can still think about splitting that again. Anyways, I’d be interested to join. just taken a look at your blog.. nice.. please add a category like Openmoko, tag your articles in and we are good to go. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: BT keyboards with FR?
I have the same keyboard and agree. btkb can be found at: http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/app_btkb/?rev=14root=scutil On Monday 25 August 2008, Dan Staley wrote: I use the iGo/Stowaway bluetooth keyboard and it works great! There is a program written by scaredycat (btkb) that makes a nice gui for connecting to bluetooth keyboards. Very easy to connect to and use! See my post at www.bufferunderflow.com?entry=6 for more info, and screenshots/videos. -Dan Staley On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 16:54 -0400, Ben Holt wrote: I am considering buying a portable BT keyboard to go with my FreeRunner and would appreciate hearing from anyone who is already using a BT keyboard and can comment on how well it is working and what keyboard you have. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated :-). Many thanks, - Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Patience pays off! I hope so ! I reveived my freerunner but not my shield ordered 18 july. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
I'm playing with debian for the last week and there are some new things i'm curious about. First thing is how i update the kernel and modules? I see that while installing debian it uses this kernel from openmoko: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta01.bin Now i see that the kernel and modules are updated quite often in the openmoko repo, but in the sources.list is no update source for a new kernel. The actual openmoko kernel seems to be http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/kernel-2.6.24_2.6.24+git36+a1e97c611253511ffc2d8c45e3e6d6894fa03fa3-r2_om-gta02.ipk I know that this is the opkg version and not the dpkg for debian, but i think somewhere had to be the newest kernel version available for use in debian, or not? Another thing is the problem, that xfce always run programs maximized which can't be changed. I would really like to use normal windows which i can change by myself to maximized state or not. This behaviour is shown in the wiki page for manual installation with debian http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian but i used the installation procedure from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner I think this is just a setting in a configuration file, but i can't find it. :( And then i wanted to ask if there is a working way to rotate the xfce screen like with 2007.2? For example scummvm isn't useable at all with a resolution of 480x640. Also for video playback it would be really nice, even if video playback at the moment is more of a dream for the future when the performance is getting better. ;) And the last thing is where i can find the actual state of the suspend/resume problem concerning partition table corruption of the sd-card? I completely disabled standby because i don't want to have problems with my partition table on my sd-card. I found this ticket http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1802 but don't know if this is the right place to look if it is fixed. Without suspend/resume the phone isn't useable at all as daily phone because i always have to shut down and restart the neo to spare the battery. :( Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fox Mulder wrote: Another thing is the problem, that xfce always run programs maximized which can't be changed. I would really like to use normal windows which i can change by myself to maximized state or not. This behaviour is shown in the wiki page for manual installation with debian http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian but i used the installation procedure from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner I think this is just a setting in a configuration file, but i can't find it. :( I think is a caracteristic of MatchBox that keep all the window maximzed. I am using it, and it seem to be good enought if you remember that in the end is only a phone :) It you want to change it you have to install xfm, the window manager of XFCE. (I think than you have to reconfigure matchbox-keyboard) And then i wanted to ask if there is a working way to rotate the xfce screen like with 2007.2? This will me usefull mee to... something about gesture? For example scummvm isn't useable at all with a resolution of 480x640. Also for video playback it would be really nice, even if video playback at the moment is more of a dream for the future when the performance is getting better. ;) Yes, I agree And the last thing is where i can find the actual state of the suspend/resume problem concerning partition table corruption of the sd-card? I completely disabled standby because i don't want to have problems with my partition table on my sd-card. I found this ticket http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1802 but don't know if this is the right place to look if it is fixed. Without suspend/resume the phone isn't useable at all as daily phone because i always have to shut down and restart the neo to spare the battery. :( And GPS, is GPS fix in that kernel too ? :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIsqp0SIAU/I6SkT0RAmc1AKCKlLvUCjjaTF1Ode6HINN5iDlbcQCgnYMi J5Ee1gNk7IDbxqITsvrb15w= =EOlD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
And then i wanted to ask if there is a working way to rotate the xfce screen like with 2007.2? the fbdev driver used does not support randr. the xglamo does, but it does not play well w/ tslib out of the box, someone posted a workaround recently making xglamo and tslib play together. i don#T know how reliable it is and inhowfar the calibration issue after rotation is solved. regarding suspend/resume: i use a 1gb sandisc sd card and have no problems so far -- i think the issues begin w/ card sizes =4g. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
And GPS, is GPS fix in that kernel too ? :) since it is an om-kernel and markedly younger than the gps fix, i strongly assume so. i had no time to check that little zhone gps thingy yet, so i don't know for sure -- but if the rain stops for a while this afternoon, i will check on my way home. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
arne anka wrote: And then i wanted to ask if there is a working way to rotate the xfce screen like with 2007.2? the fbdev driver used does not support randr. the xglamo does, but it does not play well w/ tslib out of the box, someone posted a workaround recently making xglamo and tslib play together. i don#T know how reliable it is and inhowfar the calibration issue after rotation is solved. I hope this problem will be solved in the near future so the desktop is for better use on the neo. regarding suspend/resume: i use a 1gb sandisc sd card and have no problems so far -- i think the issues begin w/ card sizes =4g. I read somewhere that the problems were related to sdhc cards somehow. I use a sandisk 8gb ultra micro sd which means, that this problem is related to me. :/ I also read that the problems differ if the kernel is booted from the internal nand or from the sd-card (rootfs is always on sd). But i can't find any useable info on this behaviour. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fox Mulder wrote: Thats a good question. But i tried the gps with tangogps and it works quide good. So i think the fix is already implemented. But maybe it only works good because i used the agps utility from the mokoservicescripts which requests the gps data for my position and feeds the agps chip with it to get a faster fix. ;) Realy? You was able to use tangogps? Can you tell to me what port you used to reconfigure gpsd? I used /dev/ttySAC1 but I had no success!, so I was thinking I hadn't the fix :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIsq8QSIAU/I6SkT0RAmJKAJ0fmGx7OWhevOW8vf5SvHInwkzZ4QCeIv9V DQJn4/vAH9XHjR5RGI1UksI= =iJl+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Montag, den 25.08.2008, 14:42 +0200 schrieb Fox Mulder: I'm playing with debian for the last week and there are some new things i'm curious about. First thing is how i update the kernel and modules? I see that while installing debian it uses this kernel from openmoko: http://downloads.openmoko.org/framework/milestone2/uImage-2.6.24+gitr0+7a1370a816b9348dd8f36a667905dd3533cefc9b-r4-om-gta01.bin Now i see that the kernel and modules are updated quite often in the openmoko repo, but in the sources.list is no update source for a new kernel. The actual openmoko kernel seems to be http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/kernel-2.6.24_2.6.24+git36+a1e97c611253511ffc2d8c45e3e6d6894fa03fa3-r2_om-gta02.ipk I know that this is the opkg version and not the dpkg for debian, but i think somewhere had to be the newest kernel version available for use in debian, or not? ATM, there are no automatic kernel updates in Debian. Phil Kern has tried to build a proper debian kernel package from the upstream sources, but it takes a very long time in a qemu builder, so fixing all the issues with the build was a PITA. So at the moment, you have to manually download the image from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ and put it in /boot. But when i get the newest kernel from there like http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin isn't that not just only the kernel? As far as i know i also have to update all the modules for this new kernel within /lib/modules/2.6.24. But i think these modules are only in the corresponding rootfs image http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080824-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz So should i download this image and extract the modules and replace it on my local rootfs? I don't want to update my kernel if i'm not sure if this way is right. :) Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
issues with the build was a PITA. So at the moment, you have to manually download the image from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ and put it in /boot. am i mistaken or isn't that image w/o modules? thus, simply copying the uImage.bin will pretty soon send us into a situation of modules not loadable, wouldn't it? how far apart are the formats of ipk and deb? dpkg is at least able to things like -I and --contents with them, so couldn't they be installed by dpkg/apt or converted to deb (extension to alien if someone knows how)? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
I also use /dev/ttySAC1. I just activated the gps with the new openmoko-panel, than put the agps data from ublox into the chip and started tangogps (version from debian repo). I got a quite fast fix from the gps and tangogps shows me the location and i can use it. I didn't try a longer tangogps session, but for a short test it works good. :) Ciao, Rainer Michele Renda wrote: Fox Mulder wrote: Thats a good question. But i tried the gps with tangogps and it works quide good. So i think the fix is already implemented. But maybe it only works good because i used the agps utility from the mokoservicescripts which requests the gps data for my position and feeds the agps chip with it to get a faster fix. ;) Realy? You was able to use tangogps? Can you tell to me what port you used to reconfigure gpsd? I used /dev/ttySAC1 but I had no success!, so I was thinking I hadn't the fix :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
Hi, Am Montag, den 25.08.2008, 15:17 +0200 schrieb Fox Mulder: ATM, there are no automatic kernel updates in Debian. Phil Kern has tried to build a proper debian kernel package from the upstream sources, but it takes a very long time in a qemu builder, so fixing all the issues with the build was a PITA. So at the moment, you have to manually download the image from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ and put it in /boot. But when i get the newest kernel from there like http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin isn't that not just only the kernel? As far as i know i also have to update all the modules for this new kernel within /lib/modules/2.6.24. But i think these modules are only in the corresponding rootfs image http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080824-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz So should i download this image and extract the modules and replace it on my local rootfs? I don't want to update my kernel if i'm not sure if this way is right. :) Have a look what http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh does in the kernel stage. You download the modules from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/modules-2.6.24+git36+a1e97c611253511ffc2d8c45e3e6d6894fa03fa3-r2-om-gta02.tgz along and just untar them in /. I guess this should go into the wiki. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This was the only thing I didn't tried. I will do and I will let all know. Thank you a lot for your help!!! Ciao Michele Renda Fox Mulder wrote: I also use /dev/ttySAC1. I just activated the gps with the new openmoko-panel, than put the agps data from ublox into the chip and started tangogps (version from debian repo). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIsrOrSIAU/I6SkT0RAkkBAJkBB+GQpx+mwrVmToOMfIpj53nEGACeI9Vx 0M8XP/Z0AQ0NsXNMZ5qMGZU= =jl1u -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Backup rootfs and turn it into flasheable image
El dom, 24-08-2008 a las 19:48 -0500, Eli escribió: On Sunday 24 August 2008 06:43:21 pm David Samblas wrote: Hi there I need some help hero because I have done some test but nothing really works. I want to be able to create a flaseable rootfs image from the actual content of te neo, due dfu-util is no usable for this (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#--upload) I can guess the way would be an scp copy to pc, and create a jffs2 image from the result of the scp copy. but, two cuestion arise and I'm still not found a solution how to avoid special dirs (dev, sys, proc...) or only not to copy the content of directories like media or mnt? how to create a jffs2 image from the content of a directory? Read the Create rootfs and kernel images section of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/MovingToFlash Debian guys to the rescue! :) Thanks a lot! I was able to create a jffs2 image from my costumized raster-zeke neo. There are somethings a little bit different than the wiki page to make it work. I post a list of instructions at the end of the message I will be happy to put all this on a script a have a one-command backup image, and due the size of the result (a max 256 Mb) will be a good project to have repository of users image files to show what they have done and some pimp configurations/applications. I am working on a image like an idea I have read on some post here to have an demo-image that in spite of will be in very alpha stage can show in a demo a bit of the capabilities of the neo, (not debian allowed I'm talking about only using the nand :), Heh. Read _all_ of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/MovingToFlash ... Debian fits on NAND. But not with all I want to put on it :) I'm waiting for my 2Gb Sandisk to arrive and install Debian at fulltrottel :) ), now I'm using the Raster-Zecke tandem and I have installed succesfully tangogps (gps works maps not showed), numptyphisics,orrery,om-console and rotate(simplier than gestures only rotates the screen) I will like to make pu ic the result of the backup to save time to anyone that needs a quick demo to show , any sugestion of other wow software will be really apreciaeted. HTH, Eli --. If it ain't broke now, Eli Carter \ it will be soon. -- crypto-gram [EMAIL PROTECTED] `- Intructions to backup a 2008.8 based neo to a flashable jffs2 image: on neo(or trough a ssh to neo): opkg mkfs-jffs2 mkdir /var/tmp/root mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock6 /var/tmp/root on PC (you must have pv installed to saw the progress of the backup, this is done in ubuntu 8.04, change the ip of the openmoko if needed) sudo aptitude install pv ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mkfs.jffs2 -d /var/tmp/root -e 128 --pad --no-cleanmarkers | pv -W the_name_of_your_rootfs_image_here.jffs2 scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/boot/uImage-2.6.24 raster.zecke.demo.kernel.image.20080825.bin And that's all :) For all those with other distros, plesae test this and tell what to modify to do the backups. There is any place I can make public the 73 Mb + 2 Mb images to wild, I will in short do it in my own server but I will not have it until end of September. Regards David Pd.- Thanks a lot Eli :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Debug boards in India.
Hi this is Rakshat from IDA Systems. We now have the Debug board in stock (20 pieces). Prices are Rs 9000/- inclusive of CAT/ VAT and shipping for the debug board alone (The customs duty on the Debug board is considerably higher than on mobile phones) and Rs 3/- for the Freerunner+Debug board combo. You can mail sales at idasystems.net for more information. As the quantity is limited and I want them to go to people who actually need them for developemnt I am posting it on the list only first and it will become available from our website from 1st September. Developers who have already purchased a Freerunner from us should contact me directly rakshat at idasystems.net for a discounted price. Happy developing on the Freerunner in India Rakshat -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Montag 25 August 2008 14:46:41 schrieb Matt: First thing is that i can't find the setting, when the display dims the brightness. The default setting dims it after some minutes (~3-5 min, i didn't measure it) what is way to late for battery usage. Also it would ne nice to set the maximum brightness and not always maximum (63). /etc/frameworkd.conf [odeviced.idlenotifier] # add inut nodes to ignore for idle activity ignoreinput = 2,3,4 # configure timeouts (in seconds) here. A value of 0 # means 'never fall into this state' (except programatically) idle = 10 idle_dim = 30 idle_prelock = 10 lock = 1 suspend = 0 That help? Eli --. If it ain't broke now, Eli Carter \ it will be soon. -- crypto-gram [EMAIL PROTECTED] `- Would there be any support for extending this to two profiles, one for running on battery and one for when powered externally? Sounds sensible. Please open a ticket for me (trac.freesmartphone.org). Done. With pleasure. http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/113 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Fennec on Openmoko
I think it should be great if we could get Fennec (the firefox mobile browser) on the Openmoko phones. First we get an very actively developed browser on the Openmoko and we can help testing the direction of the firefox mobile in real. (So the fennec developers get input on their design) I think we and the fennec people can benefit from this. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Fennec-on-Openmoko-tp781547p781547.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Montag, den 25.08.2008, 15:17 +0200 schrieb Fox Mulder: ATM, there are no automatic kernel updates in Debian. Phil Kern has tried to build a proper debian kernel package from the upstream sources, but it takes a very long time in a qemu builder, so fixing all the issues with the build was a PITA. So at the moment, you have to manually download the image from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ and put it in /boot. But when i get the newest kernel from there like http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin isn't that not just only the kernel? As far as i know i also have to update all the modules for this new kernel within /lib/modules/2.6.24. But i think these modules are only in the corresponding rootfs image http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk--20080824-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz So should i download this image and extract the modules and replace it on my local rootfs? I don't want to update my kernel if i'm not sure if this way is right. :) Have a look what http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/install.sh does in the kernel stage. You download the modules from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080824/modules-2.6.24+git36+a1e97c611253511ffc2d8c45e3e6d6894fa03fa3-r2-om-gta02.tgz along and just untar them in /. I guess this should go into the wiki. Greetings, Joachim Oh thanks, i just overlooked the modules file in the directory. :) After installing these modules package and comparing with the original /lib/modules/2.4.24 directory i see that in the root all the modules.* files are missing. I don't know if these files are needed or not so i looked in the openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz file and copied these files from there to my new 2.4.24 directory. Before booting i got Linux IjonTichy 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Tue Jul 29 01:19:38 UTC 2008 armv4tl GNU/Linux and now after booting i got Linux IjonTichy 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Mon Aug 25 01:23:27 CEST 2008 armv4tl GNU/Linux But it seems that the kernel changes some things because while booting i got an error that the usb device couldn't be set up. Also the touchscreen seems to be a bit different. When i touch a point the cursor jumps a small bit below this point and than goes to exactly this point. But the click is recognized at the point below. So sometimes i missed the keys on the matchbox keyboard. Wlan and gps works like before without problems. Someone know how to fix the usb and touchscreen problem? Does a touchscreen recalibration has any effect for this kind of problem? The boot log messages show that the usb core is loaded: ... usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs usbcore: registered new interface driver hub usbcore: registered new device driver usb ... But when setting usb0 up for networking it says no such device for usb0. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
Hi, Am Montag, den 25.08.2008, 16:27 +0200 schrieb Fox Mulder: Oh thanks, i just overlooked the modules file in the directory. :) After installing these modules package and comparing with the original /lib/modules/2.4.24 directory i see that in the root all the modules.* files are missing. I don't know if these files are needed or not so i looked in the openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz file and copied these files from there to my new 2.4.24 directory. Sorry, as arne said, running depmod should help But it seems that the kernel changes some things because while booting i got an error that the usb device couldn't be set up. I have hear rumor that is has been move to a module. Look for a newly appearing module in the tarball (by comparing the file lists), and try to modprobe that. If so, add the name to /etc/modules Also the touchscreen seems to be a bit different. When i touch a point the cursor jumps a small bit below this point and than goes to exactly this point. But the click is recognized at the point below. So sometimes i missed the keys on the matchbox keyboard. No idea. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec on Openmoko
+1 I looked in to compiling it enough to find out it's complicated enough that I won't have the time to get it done any time soon. I'd love to see it happen though. Josh On Monday August 25, 2008, Alasal wrote: I think it should be great if we could get Fennec (the firefox mobile browser) on the Openmoko phones. First we get an very actively developed browser on the Openmoko and we can help testing the direction of the firefox mobile in real. (So the fennec developers get input on their design) I think we and the fennec people can benefit from this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Chancing SIM card without reboot
I've done this several times with no problems so far. Josh On Monday August 25, 2008, Fredrik Wendt wrote: Hi. Just wanted to know if I'd damage the hardware by doing: 0. Connect FR to computer using USB cable. 1. Turn on FR (FSO-testing), fire up zhone. 2. Open FR, remove battery, open SIM pocket, change SIM card, replace battery, replace back cover - all while the FR is running off power from USB In Sweden we have three GSM network operators (those with licenses to actually put GSM equipment to use) and having to wait 3-4 minutes after each SIM change really kills productivity and flow ... / Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec on Openmoko
At the moment i got iceweasel running on my debian freerunner. It is also a firefox port which works great. I could use any original addon from mozilla. :) Maybe it is a bit slow when starting but at the moment it is the best browser i found for my neo. But you are right. In the future i hope there will be a bit more lightweight mobile version of the firefox. Ciao, Rainer Alasal wrote: I think it should be great if we could get Fennec (the firefox mobile browser) on the Openmoko phones. First we get an very actively developed browser on the Openmoko and we can help testing the direction of the firefox mobile in real. (So the fennec developers get input on their design) I think we and the fennec people can benefit from this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec on Openmoko
At the moment i got iceweasel running on my debian freerunner. It is also a firefox port which works great. I could use any original addon from mozilla. :) i recently found out about midori -- a small webkit based browser, available in the debian repositiories ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973
Ernst Skribbler wrote: Rod wrote: This means you haven't got the gpschannel_add_udpchannel_and_filechannel.patch from Trac 49 applied. Any idea when the patches that fix GPS will be available in the testing images? Thanks. Yes, when the frameworkd developers have a stable new version ready for testing :-) They are currently in the middle of a set of disruptive changes. -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OM2008.8, importing VCF contacts
Hi, I've been doing the following (same command, different directory location) export DISPLAY=:0 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Qtopia/lib /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook /home/root/addressbook.vcf The problem I have is that I have to issue the second command for each VCF file in my exported contacts folder. Is this the only way, or can all VCF files be imported all at once? I have hundreds of them, so this is very important. By the way, I have also installed the openmoko-contacts application and imported all files with one of the scripts on the wiki. However, as the alternate dialer doesn't work (can't get a lock on gsmd), I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. The 2007.2 version is better in one way - it lets you create as many categories as you want, while the qtopia version only has 'business' and 'personal' categories. Again, any pointers? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec on Openmoko
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'd like it too, I lost a lot of time to understand that Minimo was not more supported, and that now the supported one is Fennec. I will have a loot to Midori, Firefox is too much fat for my poor FR :) Alasal wrote: I think it should be great if we could get Fennec (the firefox mobile browser) on the Openmoko phones. First we get an very actively developed browser on the Openmoko and we can help testing the direction of the firefox mobile in real. (So the fennec developers get input on their design) I think we and the fennec people can benefit from this. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIssZsSIAU/I6SkT0RAvyNAKCBHIeB/5vmF33cJihz/8G2u/kUugCfb5Em 5Sk5y+jhKRgTKIstbjZuH7E= =LwZm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Backup rootfs and turn it into flasheable image
I just flashed the resulting jffs2 file and no luck a precious kernel panic arise JFFS2 compresion type 0x07 not aviable Error: jffs2_decompress returned -5 Any ideas?? Regards El lun, 25-08-2008 a las 15:56 +0200, David Samblas escribió: El dom, 24-08-2008 a las 19:48 -0500, Eli escribió: On Sunday 24 August 2008 06:43:21 pm David Samblas wrote: Hi there I need some help hero because I have done some test but nothing really works. I want to be able to create a flaseable rootfs image from the actual content of te neo, due dfu-util is no usable for this (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#--upload) I can guess the way would be an scp copy to pc, and create a jffs2 image from the result of the scp copy. but, two cuestion arise and I'm still not found a solution how to avoid special dirs (dev, sys, proc...) or only not to copy the content of directories like media or mnt? how to create a jffs2 image from the content of a directory? Read the Create rootfs and kernel images section of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/MovingToFlash Debian guys to the rescue! :) Thanks a lot! I was able to create a jffs2 image from my costumized raster-zeke neo. There are somethings a little bit different than the wiki page to make it work. I post a list of instructions at the end of the message I will be happy to put all this on a script a have a one-command backup image, and due the size of the result (a max 256 Mb) will be a good project to have repository of users image files to show what they have done and some pimp configurations/applications. I am working on a image like an idea I have read on some post here to have an demo-image that in spite of will be in very alpha stage can show in a demo a bit of the capabilities of the neo, (not debian allowed I'm talking about only using the nand :), Heh. Read _all_ of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/MovingToFlash ... Debian fits on NAND. But not with all I want to put on it :) I'm waiting for my 2Gb Sandisk to arrive and install Debian at fulltrottel :) ), now I'm using the Raster-Zecke tandem and I have installed succesfully tangogps (gps works maps not showed), numptyphisics,orrery,om-console and rotate(simplier than gestures only rotates the screen) I will like to make pu ic the result of the backup to save time to anyone that needs a quick demo to show , any sugestion of other wow software will be really apreciaeted. HTH, Eli --. If it ain't broke now, Eli Carter \ it will be soon. -- crypto-gram [EMAIL PROTECTED] `- Intructions to backup a 2008.8 based neo to a flashable jffs2 image: on neo(or trough a ssh to neo): opkg mkfs-jffs2 mkdir /var/tmp/root mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock6 /var/tmp/root on PC (you must have pv installed to saw the progress of the backup, this is done in ubuntu 8.04, change the ip of the openmoko if needed) sudo aptitude install pv ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mkfs.jffs2 -d /var/tmp/root -e 128 --pad --no-cleanmarkers | pv -W the_name_of_your_rootfs_image_here.jffs2 scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/boot/uImage-2.6.24 raster.zecke.demo.kernel.image.20080825.bin And that's all :) For all those with other distros, plesae test this and tell what to modify to do the backups. There is any place I can make public the 73 Mb + 2 Mb images to wild, I will in short do it in my own server but I will not have it until end of September. Regards David Pd.- Thanks a lot Eli :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM registration still takes time - OM2008.08 with Zecke-testing
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 07:39:01PM +0530, Nishit Dave wrote: Hi list, I have tried the zecke-testing branch updates, and now my FR does get registered, and I can send and receive calls and messages. However, once rebooted, the FR takes at least 15-20 minutes, probably longer to get registered to the network. Can anybody tell me if this is still an outstanding issue, or should it be solved? How? Did you try installing raster's image [1] than updating from zecke-testing? To me it's just a tad less stable than framebuffer qtopia, but way more exciting :) [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ Rui -- Or not. Today is Boomtime, the 18th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Workaround for suspend/resume SD card problems
With my 8G Sandisk SD card, i can reliably fix the problems i have been having by turning on the SD clock all the time. To do this type the command echo 1 /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_idleclk then do something that will access the SD card before doing a suspend. This of course won't do the GPS much good, but i think the real fix might be to give the SD card more clock cycles before and after commands to give it time to finish executing commands. Simon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fennec on Openmoko
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 04:37:25PM +0200, Fox Mulder wrote: At the moment i got iceweasel running on my debian freerunner. It is also a firefox port which works great. I could use any original addon from mozilla. :) Maybe it is a bit slow when starting but at the moment it is the best browser i found for my neo. But you are right. In the future i hope there will be a bit more lightweight mobile version of the firefox. I viciously hate my experience with midori and openmoko-browser :) Rui -- Keep the Lasagna flying! Today is Boomtime, the 18th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's Enlightenment doing for so long?
4. scanning disk for .desktop files (as these are all the applications) 5. scanning fonts for use Isn't it possible to cache stuff like this in just one file? So e can start using the cache and check for new .desktop files or fonts afterwards? 9. query some hal info (removable devices etc.) maybe this can be done after the e start? On Mon, 25. Aug 2008 12:53:17 Carsten Haitzler wrote: btw - app startup is generally very fast - if the apps are in c. i clock in a simple efl application at under 1 second (about 0.8) and a simple gtk app at about 1.5 secs or so. so as such toolkit isnt much of an issue here in start time. :) you are just going to have this kind of lag no matter what. lots of libs get resolved for symbols for pretty much any app using enough gui libs - there is x setup (connect, query for info etc.) and likely loading in of data from disk (icons, maybe fonts etc.) so... you're not going to really do much better i think just using efl. it doesn't matter much really. efl just tends to do a little less on init, but generally is more data-driven from files on disk (eg .edj files) and so needs to load these in too. In my opinion 1 second is pretty slow and afaik people get annoyed if anything (interactive) takes more than 0.5 seconds. What about using LDFLAGS to compile the programs (dont know if this is already used). or precaching commonly used applications like the Dialer, the SMS app or the contact list. Fabian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
Cédric DUFOUIL wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Patience pays off! I hope so ! I reveived my freerunner but not my shield ordered 18 july. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I ordered 3 shields the 19th of July No shipping confirmation yet /Søren, Denmark -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/InvibleShield-at-ZAGG-%3A-swindling--%21--tp673499p781716.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Workaround for suspend/resume SD card problems
This of course won't do the GPS much good, but i think the real fix might be to give the SD card more clock cycles before and after commands to give it time to finish executing commands. wouldn't it be sensible to turn on the sd clock before suspend and do somthing? after resume the clock might be turned off again, so allowing gps to work. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Workaround for suspend/resume SD card problems
Maybe it is possible to get a workaround for this problem until it is fixed. When using a custom suspend script we maybe could do this stuff manual. When i would suspend the neo i start a script which first activates the sd_idleclk. Than it activates some access to the sd card and after that suspend the neo. And after resuming maybe reverse these steps. This is quite a workaround, but when it works i'm willing to do this until the problem gets fixed. :) Ciao, Rainer Simon Matthews wrote: With my 8G Sandisk SD card, i can reliably fix the problems i have been having by turning on the SD clock all the time. To do this type the command echo 1 /sys/module/glamo_mci/parameters/sd_idleclk then do something that will access the SD card before doing a suspend. This of course won't do the GPS much good, but i think the real fix might be to give the SD card more clock cycles before and after commands to give it time to finish executing commands. Simon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's Enlightenment doing for so long?
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:12:09 +0200 Fabian Henze [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 4. scanning disk for .desktop files (as these are all the applications) 5. scanning fonts for use Isn't it possible to cache stuff like this in just one file? So e can start using the cache and check for new .desktop files or fonts afterwards? yes. but that cache hasn't been done as part of efreet - it's a cleanroom implementation of the fdo standards as per their specs. it doesnt do much in the way of trying to be too fancy. this would help though and remove the async scan - or be able to defer the async scan until much later (once init is over and stuff is idle). 9. query some hal info (removable devices etc.) maybe this can be done after the e start? it kicks off some of it on init - it's async after that. check e;'s stdout (well change login scripts to write it to a file). it benchmarks its own init dumping a whole init+timestamp log. you do miss the first bit until it starts logging - once it hits mainloop it's now in async land and everything is deferred in async processes, timers, other daemons etc. On Mon, 25. Aug 2008 12:53:17 Carsten Haitzler wrote: btw - app startup is generally very fast - if the apps are in c. i clock in a simple efl application at under 1 second (about 0.8) and a simple gtk app at about 1.5 secs or so. so as such toolkit isnt much of an issue here in start time. :) you are just going to have this kind of lag no matter what. lots of libs get resolved for symbols for pretty much any app using enough gui libs - there is x setup (connect, query for info etc.) and likely loading in of data from disk (icons, maybe fonts etc.) so... you're not going to really do much better i think just using efl. it doesn't matter much really. efl just tends to do a little less on init, but generally is more data-driven from files on disk (eg .edj files) and so needs to load these in too. In my opinion 1 second is pretty slow and afaik people get annoyed if anything (interactive) takes more than 0.5 seconds. What about using LDFLAGS to compile the programs (dont know if this is already used). or precaching commonly used applications like the Dialer, the SMS app or the contact list. the 1 second is with everything cached - ie run it once, then again. you'll be slower if more needs to be paged off disk. the way you can win is simply avoid doign the whole exec and init N times. that is why e uses modules for a lot - they are .so's dlopen()ed. so they basically biggyback all the init work e already did for itself and so can extend e and add functionality - pretty much anything they like, BUT... you pay a stability price. as its the same process - you can crash the wm if your module is bad (then again a crash simply gets you a white box asking you to restart or exit... which isn't the end of things). this tends to cut a huge chunk off getting something up. either that or starting all these apps on login (or boot or whatever you wish to call it), and so the processes float about all the time idle until needed then pop up their windows (which they have already prepared and populated with widgets etc.). -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions
Johannes 2008/8/25 Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Am Montag, den 25.08.2008, 16:27 +0200 schrieb Fox Mulder: Oh thanks, i just overlooked the modules file in the directory. :) After installing these modules package and comparing with the original /lib/modules/2.4.24 directory i see that in the root all the modules.* files are missing. I don't know if these files are needed or not so i looked in the openmoko-qtopia-x11-image-om-gta02.tar.gz file and copied these files from there to my new 2.4.24 directory. Sorry, as arne said, running depmod should help But it seems that the kernel changes some things because while booting i got an error that the usb device couldn't be set up. I have hear rumor that is has been move to a module. Look for a newly appearing module in the tarball (by comparing the file lists), and try to modprobe that. If so, add the name to /etc/modules You must load the module *g_ethe*r. Then you can start the network with ifup usb0. Also the touchscreen seems to be a bit different. When i touch a point the cursor jumps a small bit below this point and than goes to exactly this point. But the click is recognized at the point below. So sometimes i missed the keys on the matchbox keyboard. No idea. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeatahttp://people.debian.org/%7Enomeata ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Johannes ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop
Hi, Am Montag, den 25.08.2008, 17:08 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Ohl: Hi, On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 17:53 +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: Screenshots! http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel.png And is this a package suitable for inclusion in the Debian archive? Do i hope so *G* you want to maintain it yourself, or rather have someone else do it? Is there a VCS repository somewhere, or at least the debian source package? the source includes the needed debian files. i think i should be able to maintain it myself. but so far i've only build packages for our company and not for the public debian repo. so i would be fine if someone who have experiance with that will take a look. I had a look and have some comments: * You have one tarball including the debian/ directory. Although I personally slightly disagree it is common practice to not include it in the released tarball, but only in the debian source package, as part of the diff.gz, bundled by a .dsc. What I usually do if I’m also the upstream author is that I build the tarball with tar cfz ../...0.1.tar.gz --exclude debian/, and then run debuild to get the source and binary package. * Have a look at the python distutils. This makes it easy to have a tarball that’s useful for all those non-debian-users. Have a look at how http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyPenNotes did it. You can also install the .desktop file and the pixmaps this way. * If you have created a setup.py, your debian/ directory will become very minimal, especially when using debhelper 7. Have a look at http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pypennotes/pypennotes_0.3b-1.dsc * You have a manual postinst and postrm script, although debhelper creates these snippets for you. Just remove your script. * Don’t ship LICENCE (via debian/docs). Rather refer to the GPL in a way similar to who I did it when packaging pypennotes. I hope you are not scared by this list :-) Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
xfwm instead of matchbox-wm on debian?
Moin, I was recently trying to get xfwm running instead of the matchbox-wm on debian, but simply removing the matchbox-wm line from zhone-session only prevents xfce from starting at all, xorg comes up though. Where's matchbox-window-manager woven in additionally? Or where/how do I need to start xfwm4, isn't it loaded by startxfce4? -Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2008.8, importing VCF contacts
hi, i think a little script similar to the old on on http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/import_contacts should do the job. just for a starting point: #!/bin/bash export DISPLAY=:0 for contact in `ls *vcf`; do LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Qtopia/lib /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook $contact done; didn't try it as i'm out of time :( , let me know if it was somehow useful :) cheers markus Am Montag, 25. August 2008 16:46:52 schrieb Nishit Dave: Hi, I've been doing the following (same command, different directory location) export DISPLAY=:0 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Qtopia/lib /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook /home/root/addressbook.vcf The problem I have is that I have to issue the second command for each VCF file in my exported contacts folder. Is this the only way, or can all VCF files be imported all at once? I have hundreds of them, so this is very important. By the way, I have also installed the openmoko-contacts application and imported all files with one of the scripts on the wiki. However, as the alternate dialer doesn't work (can't get a lock on gsmd), I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. The 2007.2 version is better in one way - it lets you create as many categories as you want, while the qtopia version only has 'business' and 'personal' categories. Again, any pointers? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GUI for cell ID, signal strenght
Yorick Moko wrote: I know there is such a program and I have seen screenshots of it a long time ago, but I can't find it on the wiki/google. Does anybody know where I can find this program? Thanks! y Maybe http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2008/07/01/openmoko-freerunner-test-application/ Yves Mahe ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GUI for cell ID, signal strenght
If you are using 2007.2, simply click on the GSM icon on panel and select GSM Network. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 00:32, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there is such a program and I have seen screenshots of it a long time ago, but I can't find it on the wiki/google. Does anybody know where I can find this program? Thanks! y ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Om2008 as a day phone
I recently removed FSO and put Om on the freerunner; pretty happy overall but I have some serious contentions with the Qtopia address book and the suspend function. I didn't like the previous 2007.7 address book either, but the qtopia one is SO slow. Is there a way to easily install the FSO version, or something simpler? Also, as you all know the phone sometimes doesn't wake from suspend mode. This is very annoying, and I been able to find the fix yet. Also, when connecting to wifi networks WITHOUT any wep or wpa, the wifi navigator (in settings) doesn't connect me. Finally, has anyone gotten midori to work yet? I keep getting dependency errors, and --nodeps doesn't help. If I could get the first two out of the way, I'd have an excellent day-use phone. thanks! yochai -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Om2008-as-a-day-phone-tp782106p782106.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Acoustic Echo Cancellation
Hi! I'd like to know the development roadmap regarding an echo cancellation module for the Neo. The speex AEC seems to be quite nice and may be useful for a little copy and paste. Is someone from OM Inc. working on the subject? Cheers, Florian -- DI Florian Hackenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hackenberger.at ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GUI for cell ID, signal strenght
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are using 2007.2, simply click on the GSM icon on panel and select GSM Network. Thanks for the information. This should be in the getting started and possible GSM wiki pages! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2008.8, importing VCF contacts
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 16:46, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been doing the following (same command, different directory location) export DISPLAY=:0 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Qtopia/lib /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook /home/root/addressbook.vcf The problem I have is that I have to issue the second command for each VCF file in my exported contacts folder. Is this the only way, or can all VCF files be imported all at once? I have hundreds of them, so this is very important. I did this with 2008.8 by exporting all my contacts in one big vcf file. I had two problems, the first one is that in the vcf exported by evolution, there was more than one type on some phone numbers (for example HOME,VOICE). The second problem was that the character encoding was not the good one. So with one shell line I solved those two problems : sed -r -e 's/;TYPE=([^,]+),[^;]+;/;TYPE=\1;/g' | iconv -t 'ascii//TRANSLIT' -- Damien Thebault ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2008.8, importing VCF contacts
Hi! unfortunately, everytime when calling addressbook, it asks for confirmation which is anoying in a for loop. I exported contacts from Thunderbird using https://nic-nac-project.org/~kaosmos/morecols-en.html and than I just concated the who vcf files into one: cat *.vcf all.vcf This one can be easily imported. Also German umlauts are working fine. Alex Markus Schlichting wrote: hi, i think a little script similar to the old on on http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/import_contacts should do the job. just for a starting point: #!/bin/bash export DISPLAY=:0 for contact in `ls *vcf`; do LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Qtopia/lib /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook $contact done; didn't try it as i'm out of time :( , let me know if it was somehow useful :) cheers markus Am Montag, 25. August 2008 16:46:52 schrieb Nishit Dave: Hi, I've been doing the following (same command, different directory location) export DISPLAY=:0 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Qtopia/lib /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook /home/root/addressbook.vcf The problem I have is that I have to issue the second command for each VCF file in my exported contacts folder. Is this the only way, or can all VCF files be imported all at once? I have hundreds of them, so this is very important. By the way, I have also installed the openmoko-contacts application and imported all files with one of the scripts on the wiki. However, as the alternate dialer doesn't work (can't get a lock on gsmd), I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. The 2007.2 version is better in one way - it lets you create as many categories as you want, while the qtopia version only has 'business' and 'personal' categories. Again, any pointers? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OM2008.8, importing VCF contacts
Hi! unfortunately, everytime when calling addressbook, it asks for confirmation which is anoying in a for loop. I exported contacts from Thunderbird using https://nic-nac-project.org/~kaosmos/morecols-en.html and than I just concated the who vcf files into one: cat *.vcf all.vcf This one can be easily imported. Also German umlauts are working fine. Alex Markus Schlichting wrote: hi, i think a little script similar to the old on on http://www.smurfy.de/files/neo/import_contacts should do the job. just for a starting point: #!/bin/bash export DISPLAY=:0 for contact in `ls *vcf`; do LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Qtopia/lib /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook $contact done; didn't try it as i'm out of time :( , let me know if it was somehow useful :) cheers markus Am Montag, 25. August 2008 16:46:52 schrieb Nishit Dave: Hi, I've been doing the following (same command, different directory location) export DISPLAY=:0 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/Qtopia/lib /opt/Qtopia/bin/addressbook /home/root/addressbook.vcf The problem I have is that I have to issue the second command for each VCF file in my exported contacts folder. Is this the only way, or can all VCF files be imported all at once? I have hundreds of them, so this is very important. By the way, I have also installed the openmoko-contacts application and imported all files with one of the scripts on the wiki. However, as the alternate dialer doesn't work (can't get a lock on gsmd), I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. The 2007.2 version is better in one way - it lets you create as many categories as you want, while the qtopia version only has 'business' and 'personal' categories. Again, any pointers? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
dfu-util
Hi. When I push a new rootfs image onto my FreeRunner it takes aproximately 10 minutes. It's a PITA having to wait that long when I try to track down where some functionality got lost or went broken. I just wanted to know if this is normal. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/opt/openmoko/dfu-util/FSO# time dfu-rootfs openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080729-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x1d50:0x5119... Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=13, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 bytes_per_hash=983040 Starting download: [##] finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Done! real8m59.738s user0m0.076s sys 0m1.732s What options are there? I guess it'd work to 1. turn the FR off 2. remove battery 3. lift the SIM card holder 4. get the SD card out 5. put it into a card reader/writer connected to my PC 6. empty the rootfs partition 7. unpack a tar.gz file 8. remove card from reader/writer 9. fit SD card back into the slot in the FR 10. close SIM card 11. replace battery 12. boot (3-4 minutes) That's a lot of fiddling with thin metal holders to gain 2-3 minutes? Thanks for any pointers or hints (or just confirmations that this is what everyone has to cope with right now). / Fredrik Wendt signature.asc Description: Detta är en digitalt signerad meddelandedel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Video-out support
Hi there, I've searched the archives, but didn't find anything too relevant. I wonder if there are any plans for adding a micro-dvi[1], mini-vga[2] or anything like that on the GTA-03 or future models. The rationale for this is: It would make a great mobile computer solution combined with LCD-glasses giving you a rather large screen estate to work on while commuting. It would also enable augmented reality[3] applications because of the freedom on the software side. Is this power-wise feasible? Any other thoughts? Kind regards, Thomas [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-DVI [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-VGA [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_reality ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GUI for cell ID, signal strenght
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know there is such a program and I have seen screenshots of it a long time ago, but I can't find it on the wiki/google. Does anybody know where I can find this program? Thanks! y I found it: http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/SettingsGUI screenshot: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/0/0b/SettingsGUI-0.8-gsm.png it seems to be only for the gta01 though... If someone has an urge to compile and ipk-it for the FreeRunner: don't hold back! :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Problems booting
After several weeks of waiting I've finally got my OpenMoko - it came with 2007.02 which I've opkg update'd. However, now it seems to have some trouble booting :( Most times I turn on it will simply freeze on the first flash-screen, booting into the nand or nord menus works, but they will both freeze after Starting kernel... removing power-supply+battery to turn off and trying again will usually make it boot after about 5 attempts. This happens regardless of the battery level. I've had a cursory glance over the mailinglist archives and of course googled, but not found anything. Is this a known problem? Or do I have some weird hardware error? Cheers!, - Gunnar -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dfu-util
Fredrik Wendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I push a new rootfs image onto my FreeRunner it takes aproximately 10 minutes. It's a PITA having to wait that long when I try to track down where some functionality got lost or went broken. If the issue is not kernel related you could just mount different systems with NFS and chroot inside them? Then you wouldn't even need to reboot between tries. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems booting
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Gunnar AAstrand Grimnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After several weeks of waiting I've finally got my OpenMoko - it came with 2007.02 which I've opkg update'd. However, now it seems to have some trouble booting :( Most times I turn on it will simply freeze on the first flash-screen, booting into the nand or nord menus works, but they will both freeze after Starting kernel... removing power-supply+battery to turn off and trying again will usually make it boot after about 5 attempts. This happens regardless of the battery level. I've had a cursory glance over the mailinglist archives and of course googled, but not found anything. Is this a known problem? Or do I have some weird hardware error? Cheers!, - Gunnar -- Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes gunnar.grimnes [AT] dfki.de DFKI GmbH Knowledge Management Trippstadter Strasse 122 D-67663 Kaiserslautern Germany Office: +49 631 205 75-117 Mobile: +49 177 277 4397 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Have you tried reflashing the device? Since it's new you won't lose any precious info. Reflash u-boot, kernel and rootfs. You can find a good guide on the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008 as a day phone
I just wanted to add that I installed the old 2007.7 gtk contacts app; it doesn't read my SIM at all. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Om2008-as-a-day-phone-tp782106p782457.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems booting
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Gunnar AAstrand Grimnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After several weeks of waiting I've finally got my OpenMoko - it came with 2007.02 which I've opkg update'd. The fastest, and most important, update is to flash a new u-boot. I would try that by itself to see if it resolve your troubles. This can't be done with opkg. Just make sure to boot from NOR, rather than the default NAND, since it's NAND you will be overwriting with dfu-util. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
I ordered 3 shields the 19th of July No shipping confirmation yet I only received an order conformation not a shipping confirmation but my shield arrived yesterday. Regards, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ernst Skribbler wrote: Rod wrote: This means you haven't got the gpschannel_add_udpchannel_and_filechannel.patch from Trac 49 applied. Any idea when the patches that fix GPS will be available in the testing images? Thanks. Yes, when the frameworkd developers have a stable new version ready for testing :-) They are currently in the middle of a set of disruptive changes. -- Rod OK - thanks for the info. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: BT keyboards with FR?
Christ van Willegen wrote: I also have the same keyboard and I've been able to use it before. Not at the moment, so that would suggest a softare problem of some sorts, but the iGo stowaway/BT works! I'll check out the btkb app, maybe it can tell me more... Christ van Willegen Thanks for the feedback everyone. I understand the iGo Stowaway has been discontinued, but I see a few places with stock, maybe I'll get lucky and find one that will ship to Canada. I'll be using the terminal a lot, do you miss the extra keys much with the iGo? - Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Nokia wired headsets compatibility
Hi, In this page at the wiki [1] describes the pinout of the headset connector. It also says that the four-ring 2.5mm stereo jack is used by motorola smartphones and the v-360. Both motorola smartphones and v-360 are very difficult to get in stores because v-360 is more than three years old. I've spend today three hours in a dozen stores in my city and i only found one, new but in very bad state, and very expensive (~25 eur). [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset Some new nokia mobiles have the same kind of connector. This wiki page [2] says that the nokia 3.5-2.5 adapters doesn't work, but says nothing about nokia headsets. Some nokia headset model numbers with the same plug are: HS-45/AD-54, WH-700, HS-44/AD-44, HS-47, HS-40. Have you tried any of these on the Neo? [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Buttons_and_connectors Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM registration still takes time - OM2008.08 with Zecke-testing
Hi, On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, I have tried the zecke-testing branch updates, and now my FR does get registered, and I can send and receive calls and messages. However, once rebooted, the FR takes at least 15-20 minutes, probably longer to get registered to the network. What happens if you try to suspend the FR after it has rebooted? When I wake up my FR after suspend it registers very quickly to the network. YMMV. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gutenflash
Yorick Moko wrote: btw: it doesn't create a *.desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ Righ :-) ! Added in: http://soft.oralux.net/gutenflash/gutenflash_snapshot-31-r1_armv4t.ipk Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problems booting
On Tuesday 26 August 2008 05:48:59 Gunnar AAstrand Grimnes wrote: After several weeks of waiting I've finally got my OpenMoko - it came with 2007.02 which I've opkg update'd. However, now it seems to have some trouble booting :( Most times I turn on it will simply freeze on the first flash-screen, booting into the nand or nord menus works, but they will both freeze after Starting kernel... removing power-supply+battery to turn off and trying again will usually make it boot after about 5 attempts. This happens regardless of the battery level. I've had a cursory glance over the mailinglist archives and of course googled, but not found anything. Is this a known problem? Or do I have some weird hardware error? I second what the others have said but to address your actual problem ... opkg updates the userland binaries and kernel modules, I'd say the most likely reason you're having problems is due to not updating your kernel. An updated uboot is still worthwhile however and _may_ also be part of the problem. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB host successes
I've been playing around with USB host mode for a couple weeks now, and
wanted to itemize my results. (previously touched on some of this in one
of the USB keyboard threads and on my blog) Any questions just ask, but I
mostly envision this as a thread where we can post results of various USB
hostmode tests. (to hopefully make their way onto the wiki after some
consolidation, cross-checking, and editing)
The needed cable arrived just before I flashed to 2008.08 - 2007 didn't
acknowledge keyboard, and ethernet wasn't in my hands then, other results
here apply to both 2008.08 (currently Raster's image upgraded via Zecke-dev
feeds) and 2007.02 versions.
2gb thumbdrive - automounts, reads writes fine. ('Plain' Sony
thumbdrive, no encryption or compression, VFAT)
keyboards - most work flawlessly when plugged in (3 out of 4 tested),
including automatically disabling software keyboard. (Thanks Raster!!)
The one tested that did not work is a Dell multimedia keyboard with 2-port
USB hub and volume knob as a second USB device - it also states that it
draws 1.5A, so I was unsurprised when it didn't power up.
Canon S410 Elph digital camera - (self-powered) lsusb shows the device, no
drivers installed. (I'd like to be able to transfer pix from the camera to
the Freerunner)
Epson printer - (self powered) device is visible in lsusb, no driver
support installed/configured on my Freerunner yet...
Logitech webcams (Quickcam Communicate STX and Quickcam Chat [IIRC]) -
device visible in lsusb, but gspca and usb-video kernel modules are
unavailable ATM.
Netgear wifi adapter - powers device, lsusb shows it, no support enabled in
kernel AFAIK. Not really necessary on GTA02, though there are some
scenarios to utilize dual wifi, especially if at least one supports Wifi
Master mode. (iwconfig refuses on built-in wifi so presumably driver
doesn't support, at least - I'd love to get madwifi going, but suspect the
SDIO interface leaves us unsupported there since they won't even support
USB wifi devices with the same chipset as a supported PCI wifi card)
Ethernet 10/100 adapter - arrived today, works perfectly. Plugged into
ethernet then USB, and Freerunner powers device, establishes ethernet link
on eth1, and picks up IPs and routing. Perfect, beautiful, and painfree.
Pinging Google less than 7 seconds after plugging in.
That last one, ethernet, just made my Freerunner an indispensable network
diagnostic tool. :) (now I just need tshark/wireshark, ettercap, handy
things like that) I'm likely going to order a second, see if there's any
way I can position the Freerunner mid-cable with the two ethernets bridged,
and sniff traffic. ;) (obviously would be limited by USB 1.1 bandwidth but
probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner can
power a hub and two adapters)
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Re: Debian -- better screen locking
On Sunday 24 August 2008 08:19:30 pm Eli wrote: Since zhone is now killing the keyboard, the matchbox-keyboard-toggle utility needs to be more robust and detect if the keyboard is running or not, so I patched it like this: --- /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard-toggle.orig2008-08-24 12:15:20.0 + +++ /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard-toggle 2008-08-24 14:36:22.0 + @@ -8,17 +8,9 @@ import os -keyboard_shown=False - def signal_handler(name, action, seconds): -global keyboard_shown - if name == AUX and action == pressed: -if keyboard_shown: -os.system(kill -s KILL `pidof /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard`) -else: -os.system(matchbox-keyboard ) -keyboard_shown = not keyboard_shown + os.system(pidof /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard /dev/null || (matchbox-keyboard ) kill -s KILL `pidof /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard`) bus = dbus.SystemBus() *cough* That part's not quite right. The shell commands are in the wrong order. --- /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard-toggle.orig 2008-08-24 12:15:20.0 + +++ /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard-toggle 2008-08-25 23:35:25.0 + @@ -8,17 +8,9 @@ import os -keyboard_shown=False - def signal_handler(name, action, seconds): -global keyboard_shown - if name == AUX and action == pressed: -if keyboard_shown: -os.system(kill -s KILL `pidof /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard`) -else: -os.system(matchbox-keyboard ) -keyboard_shown = not keyboard_shown +os.system(pidof /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard /dev/null kill -s KILL `pidof /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard` || (/usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard )) bus = dbus.SystemBus() Eli --. If it ain't broke now, Eli Carter \ it will be soon. -- crypto-gram [EMAIL PROTECTED] `- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host successes
can you post model and where did you buy the ethernet adapter?
thanks a lot
El lun, 25-08-2008 a las 20:01 -0400, Joel Newkirk escribió:
I've been playing around with USB host mode for a couple weeks now, and
wanted to itemize my results. (previously touched on some of this in one
of the USB keyboard threads and on my blog) Any questions just ask, but I
mostly envision this as a thread where we can post results of various USB
hostmode tests. (to hopefully make their way onto the wiki after some
consolidation, cross-checking, and editing)
The needed cable arrived just before I flashed to 2008.08 - 2007 didn't
acknowledge keyboard, and ethernet wasn't in my hands then, other results
here apply to both 2008.08 (currently Raster's image upgraded via Zecke-dev
feeds) and 2007.02 versions.
2gb thumbdrive - automounts, reads writes fine. ('Plain' Sony
thumbdrive, no encryption or compression, VFAT)
keyboards - most work flawlessly when plugged in (3 out of 4 tested),
including automatically disabling software keyboard. (Thanks Raster!!)
The one tested that did not work is a Dell multimedia keyboard with 2-port
USB hub and volume knob as a second USB device - it also states that it
draws 1.5A, so I was unsurprised when it didn't power up.
Canon S410 Elph digital camera - (self-powered) lsusb shows the device, no
drivers installed. (I'd like to be able to transfer pix from the camera to
the Freerunner)
Epson printer - (self powered) device is visible in lsusb, no driver
support installed/configured on my Freerunner yet...
Logitech webcams (Quickcam Communicate STX and Quickcam Chat [IIRC]) -
device visible in lsusb, but gspca and usb-video kernel modules are
unavailable ATM.
Netgear wifi adapter - powers device, lsusb shows it, no support enabled in
kernel AFAIK. Not really necessary on GTA02, though there are some
scenarios to utilize dual wifi, especially if at least one supports Wifi
Master mode. (iwconfig refuses on built-in wifi so presumably driver
doesn't support, at least - I'd love to get madwifi going, but suspect the
SDIO interface leaves us unsupported there since they won't even support
USB wifi devices with the same chipset as a supported PCI wifi card)
Ethernet 10/100 adapter - arrived today, works perfectly. Plugged into
ethernet then USB, and Freerunner powers device, establishes ethernet link
on eth1, and picks up IPs and routing. Perfect, beautiful, and painfree.
Pinging Google less than 7 seconds after plugging in.
That last one, ethernet, just made my Freerunner an indispensable network
diagnostic tool. :) (now I just need tshark/wireshark, ettercap, handy
things like that) I'm likely going to order a second, see if there's any
way I can position the Freerunner mid-cable with the two ethernets bridged,
and sniff traffic. ;) (obviously would be limited by USB 1.1 bandwidth but
probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner can
power a hub and two adapters)
j
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Re: Sold out ahh
On Monday 25 August 2008 17:00:00 Christoph Pulster wrote: Unfortunately that means people who live in a place that does not have a distributor - like Brazil - are SOL for like, forever, Some countries have rigid customs importing anything with GSM or GPS inside. That's the only problem. Most distributors ship worldwide. I think Openmoko community should be a worldwide one without exception. This is where I see my small part supporting the project: as distributor I ship to ANY country on earth. I'm in Australia and ordered mine from France with no dramas, though, I think customs stole my lanyard :( Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host successes
On Monday 25 August 2008 07:01:00 pm Joel Newkirk wrote: I've been playing around with USB host mode for a couple weeks now, and wanted to itemize my results. (previously touched on some of this in one of the USB keyboard threads and on my blog) Any questions just ask, but I mostly envision this as a thread where we can post results of various USB hostmode tests. (to hopefully make their way onto the wiki after some consolidation, cross-checking, and editing) Two data points to add to your list: With Debian, I have an emprex USB keyboard working, model number 5139U. With 2007.2 nightly build from mid august, it only worked on the console, and the LEDs didn't light. With Debian, it works everywhere, and the LEDs light up. With 2007.2, I also got a USB 3.5 floppy drive to work, going through a powered USB hub. (I didn't try directly.) It's the future! ;) Eli --. If it ain't broke now, Eli Carter \ it will be soon. -- crypto-gram [EMAIL PROTECTED] `- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host successes
David Samblas wrote: can you post model and where did you buy the ethernet adapter? thanks a lot El lun, 25-08-2008 a las 20:01 -0400, Joel Newkirk escribió: I've been playing around with USB host mode for a couple weeks now, and wanted to itemize my results. (previously touched on some of this in one of the USB keyboard threads and on my blog) Any questions just ask, but I mostly envision this as a thread where we can post results of various USB hostmode tests. (to hopefully make their way onto the wiki after some consolidation, cross-checking, and editing) The ethernet adapter is http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2FB000TUMBMQtag=joelnewkirklinkCode=ur2camp=1789creative=9325 but while it works fine so far and is quite inexpensive, I'm not thrilled with the construction quality. (although I expect to be making alterations anyway, the housing wouldn't stay together, and once it's removed the ethernet jack is poorly anchored - clear housing plus clear tape makes almost invisible fix until I get at it with the dremel tool ;) j ps - sorry if I mess up anybody's mail threading, but mailman only wants to deliver from support list today, not community, so I'm reading via nabble and replying via email :( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Monday 25 August 2008 17:36:31 Jelle De Loecker wrote: Stroller schreef: On 24 Aug 2008, at 20:00, Fredrik Wendt wrote: ... I tried to argue with this dude at http://www.vimeo.com/1366042 but pretty soon found out that it was all in vain ... Fuck! There are some retards in that thread. Stroller. That's the video Neowin featured on their frontpage after the release of the freerunner, isn't it? If you want to read more of those retarded comments you should visit it. I, however, stopped bothering. They're just trolls, what else can you say? I agree. I compare openmoko to the likes of openwrt the ability to do what you want with what you own. People like that have to warrant the money they spend on their iphone by railing on something they don't understand. When you and I are still hacking our mokos in 5 years time, and enjoying ourselves, that guy will be comparing linux gaming to his playstaion 5. Some people just haven't quite grasped when free = freedom. Just quietly grin with me. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
I have one for you... I have been using my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered it through Koolu.com as soon as it was possible and I got it about three weeks later. The OM2007 on it was next to useless so I updated and found a bit more functionality. Later I installed Qtopia and I really liked that most of the functionality was there, but I still wanted to run an OM distro, so I tried the ASU 2008.8. I really dislike where that one is going as far as the illume UI. So I went back to 2008.4 and kept it that way for a bit. TOday I plugged my phone into the USB on my PC to charge as I always have (while the phone was running) and the screen immediately went black. No, with this being a development phone, this didn't really phase me at first. This thing has seen its fair share of mysterious power issues. But this time was different. No matter what I do, I cannot get the damn thing to come back to life. I know it's not the battery because it was almost half full when I plugged it in. But I have tried holding the Power button for 10 seconds, and the Power/Aux and Aux/Power combos. I've tried these thing both with and without the AC adapter attached and after pulling the battery for about a minute. It seems as I have a dead phone now. I don't even hear that distinctive little hiss that you normally hear when you first press the Power button! Anybody seen this before?? James steve-2 wrote: I have a tiny tiny head so all the hats fit. we are putting together a policy for people who bought from the openmoko store. there are several issues. We offer a 14 day DOA Warrenty and a 28 day warrenty for 10 packs. The issue is what does DOA mean? Dead on Arrival. If your GSM doesnt work, but getting a download fixes it? is that DOA? If your GSM doesnt work but getting a new card fixes it? is that DOA? same with GPS, did the software download fix it? If you send the phone back and it works fine, what to do? if you send back a phone and it works fine, who pays for shipping? Now in the US at retail you can return something if the sky is blue. We can't work that way and build a open source phone. well, we can but the cost of blue sky returns would have to be added to the phone. In the end, as micheal will tell you, I work every case. So, If you have a problem, email me or micheal. tell us that you tried the fixes we suggested. And we will work from there. Michael Shiloh wrote: ian douglas wrote: Sean/Michael/Community: It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD fixes and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm hoping that at some point the squeaky wheel cliche will work itself out and we'll get an answer. The boxes the Freerunners came in gave no information about warranty, we need to hear from Openmoko about what exactly the warranty does cover? My understanding of the warranty time limit is that single purchases got a 14-day warranty, and group purchases were given a 28-day warranty, but we've never been told what the warranty includes. I'd really like to outline some of this on the wiki since we're cleaning it all up, etc., and since few users will ever search the mailing list archives anyway. Will it include any recall/repairs needed to fix the GPS/SD problems at a hardware level? Thanks, Ian Ian, I agree with you, and I'm sure Steve and Sean (and everyone at Openmoko) do as well. I'm sure that the only reason that Steve has not responded (for he is the one to respond to this) is that he is completely overwhelmed by email, manufacturing and shipping, and releasing stuff this week. He is wearing the hats of Marketing, Operations, Manufacturing, Shipping, Testing, Hardware and Software final test, Field Engineer Manager, Customer Service Manager, Product Oversight (a new category I just created), Trade Show Coordinator, Vertical Market Manager, and many others I can't even remember. I will be talking to him today and I'll see if we can address this issue. Thanks for helping to keep us focused, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Third-request%3A-what-*is*-the-warranty-on-the-Freerunner--tp668835p782970.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sold out ahh
Sarton O'Brien wrote: I'm in Australia and ordered mine from France with no dramas, though, I think customs stole my lanyard :( There's meant to be a lanyard? :o ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 18:43 -0700, tokenwizard wrote: I have one for you... I have been using my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered it ... and the Power/Aux and Aux/Power combos. I've tried these thing both with and without the AC adapter attached and after pulling the battery for about a minute. It seems as I have a dead phone now. I don't even hear that distinctive little hiss that you normally hear when you first press the Power button! Anybody seen this before?? James Id still bet on the battery - try another to confirm. If the mains adaptor doesnt work, does the usb help? - (did for me at one event) Ive seen the battery go flat in a couple of hours with the FR too hot to touch Ive seen occasions when plugging in USB it never went to 500ma charge, and slowly discharged with only 100ma available which is less than the FR running draw Ive seen occasions where I plugged in the mains charger - and it didnt charge, again flattening the battery further until discovered and corrected. Currently everything seems to mostly work as it should (uboot/kernel updates!), but there is an element of randomness to when the next affliction strikes! BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB host successes
Joel Newkirk wrote:
I've been playing around with USB host mode for a couple weeks now, and
wanted to itemize my results. (previously touched on some of this in one
of the USB keyboard threads and on my blog) Any questions just ask, but I
mostly envision this as a thread where we can post results of various USB
hostmode tests. (to hopefully make their way onto the wiki after some
consolidation, cross-checking, and editing)
The needed cable arrived just before I flashed to 2008.08 - 2007 didn't
acknowledge keyboard, and ethernet wasn't in my hands then, other results
here apply to both 2008.08 (currently Raster's image upgraded via Zecke-dev
feeds) and 2007.02 versions.
2gb thumbdrive - automounts, reads writes fine. ('Plain' Sony
thumbdrive, no encryption or compression, VFAT)
keyboards - most work flawlessly when plugged in (3 out of 4 tested),
including automatically disabling software keyboard. (Thanks Raster!!)
The one tested that did not work is a Dell multimedia keyboard with 2-port
USB hub and volume knob as a second USB device - it also states that it
draws 1.5A, so I was unsurprised when it didn't power up.
Canon S410 Elph digital camera - (self-powered) lsusb shows the device, no
drivers installed. (I'd like to be able to transfer pix from the camera to
the Freerunner)
Epson printer - (self powered) device is visible in lsusb, no driver
support installed/configured on my Freerunner yet...
Logitech webcams (Quickcam Communicate STX and Quickcam Chat [IIRC]) -
device visible in lsusb, but gspca and usb-video kernel modules are
unavailable ATM.
Netgear wifi adapter - powers device, lsusb shows it, no support enabled in
kernel AFAIK. Not really necessary on GTA02, though there are some
scenarios to utilize dual wifi, especially if at least one supports Wifi
Master mode. (iwconfig refuses on built-in wifi so presumably driver
doesn't support, at least - I'd love to get madwifi going, but suspect the
SDIO interface leaves us unsupported there since they won't even support
USB wifi devices with the same chipset as a supported PCI wifi card)
Ethernet 10/100 adapter - arrived today, works perfectly. Plugged into
ethernet then USB, and Freerunner powers device, establishes ethernet link
on eth1, and picks up IPs and routing. Perfect, beautiful, and painfree.
Pinging Google less than 7 seconds after plugging in.
That last one, ethernet, just made my Freerunner an indispensable network
diagnostic tool. :) (now I just need tshark/wireshark, ettercap, handy
things like that) I'm likely going to order a second, see if there's any
way I can position the Freerunner mid-cable with the two ethernets bridged,
and sniff traffic. ;) (obviously would be limited by USB 1.1 bandwidth but
probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner can
power a hub and two adapters)
I will add this to the wiki right away, and correct as the discussion
continues. This info is too good to lose in the mailing list (although I
guess you could say it's not much worse than getting lost in the wiki,
and perhaps better, since the mailing list archives are more easily
searched than the wiki).
Michael
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Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
you may have the same problem I discovered some while back. When I wore my tester hat. Micheal may be able to help you. Micheal, can you assist here? or tony? tokenwizard wrote: I have one for you... I have been using my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered it through Koolu.com as soon as it was possible and I got it about three weeks later. The OM2007 on it was next to useless so I updated and found a bit more functionality. Later I installed Qtopia and I really liked that most of the functionality was there, but I still wanted to run an OM distro, so I tried the ASU 2008.8. I really dislike where that one is going as far as the illume UI. So I went back to 2008.4 and kept it that way for a bit. TOday I plugged my phone into the USB on my PC to charge as I always have (while the phone was running) and the screen immediately went black. No, with this being a development phone, this didn't really phase me at first. This thing has seen its fair share of mysterious power issues. But this time was different. No matter what I do, I cannot get the damn thing to come back to life. I know it's not the battery because it was almost half full when I plugged it in. But I have tried holding the Power button for 10 seconds, and the Power/Aux and Aux/Power combos. I've tried these thing both with and without the AC adapter attached and after pulling the battery for about a minute. It seems as I have a dead phone now. I don't even hear that distinctive little hiss that you normally hear when you first press the Power button! Anybody seen this before?? James steve-2 wrote: I have a tiny tiny head so all the hats fit. we are putting together a policy for people who bought from the openmoko store. there are several issues. We offer a 14 day DOA Warrenty and a 28 day warrenty for 10 packs. The issue is what does DOA mean? Dead on Arrival. If your GSM doesnt work, but getting a download fixes it? is that DOA? If your GSM doesnt work but getting a new card fixes it? is that DOA? same with GPS, did the software download fix it? If you send the phone back and it works fine, what to do? if you send back a phone and it works fine, who pays for shipping? Now in the US at retail you can return something if the sky is blue. We can't work that way and build a open source phone. well, we can but the cost of blue sky returns would have to be added to the phone. In the end, as micheal will tell you, I work every case. So, If you have a problem, email me or micheal. tell us that you tried the fixes we suggested. And we will work from there. Michael Shiloh wrote: ian douglas wrote: Sean/Michael/Community: It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD fixes and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm hoping that at some point the squeaky wheel cliche will work itself out and we'll get an answer. The boxes the Freerunners came in gave no information about warranty, we need to hear from Openmoko about what exactly the warranty does cover? My understanding of the warranty time limit is that single purchases got a 14-day warranty, and group purchases were given a 28-day warranty, but we've never been told what the warranty includes. I'd really like to outline some of this on the wiki since we're cleaning it all up, etc., and since few users will ever search the mailing list archives anyway. Will it include any recall/repairs needed to fix the GPS/SD problems at a hardware level? Thanks, Ian Ian, I agree with you, and I'm sure Steve and Sean (and everyone at Openmoko) do as well. I'm sure that the only reason that Steve has not responded (for he is the one to respond to this) is that he is completely overwhelmed by email, manufacturing and shipping, and releasing stuff this week. He is wearing the hats of Marketing, Operations, Manufacturing, Shipping, Testing, Hardware and Software final test, Field Engineer Manager, Customer Service Manager, Product Oversight (a new category I just created), Trade Show Coordinator, Vertical Market Manager, and many others I can't even remember. I will be talking to him today and I'll see if we can address this issue. Thanks for helping to keep us focused, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008 as a day phone
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:49:24 -0700 (PDT) yochaigal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, as you all know the phone sometimes doesn't wake from suspend mode. This is very annoying, and I been able to find the fix yet. It seems to go away if I disable the auto-suspend option. Then I stick to manual suspends via the power button. Haven't had the suspend problem since I did this. -- Bryan DeLuca [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
Steve Mosher wrote: you may have the same problem I discovered some while back. When I wore my tester hat. Micheal may be able to help you. Micheal, can you assist here? or tony? There was a response (before Steve's) that suggested a battery issue. I agree with that, and would want first to confirm that the battery is not dead. Can you measure the battery voltage, or test with another battery? tokenwizard wrote: I have one for you... I have been using my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered it through Koolu.com as soon as it was possible and I got it about three weeks later. The OM2007 on it was next to useless so I updated and found a bit more functionality. Later I installed Qtopia and I really liked that most of the functionality was there, but I still wanted to run an OM distro, so I tried the ASU 2008.8. I really dislike where that one is going as far as the illume UI. So I went back to 2008.4 and kept it that way for a bit. TOday I plugged my phone into the USB on my PC to charge as I always have (while the phone was running) and the screen immediately went black. No, with this being a development phone, this didn't really phase me at first. This thing has seen its fair share of mysterious power issues. But this time was different. No matter what I do, I cannot get the damn thing to come back to life. I know it's not the battery because it was almost half full when I plugged it in. But I have tried holding the Power button for 10 seconds, and the Power/Aux and Aux/Power combos. I've tried these thing both with and without the AC adapter attached and after pulling the battery for about a minute. It seems as I have a dead phone now. I don't even hear that distinctive little hiss that you normally hear when you first press the Power button! Anybody seen this before?? James steve-2 wrote: I have a tiny tiny head so all the hats fit. we are putting together a policy for people who bought from the openmoko store. there are several issues. We offer a 14 day DOA Warrenty and a 28 day warrenty for 10 packs. The issue is what does DOA mean? Dead on Arrival. If your GSM doesnt work, but getting a download fixes it? is that DOA? If your GSM doesnt work but getting a new card fixes it? is that DOA? same with GPS, did the software download fix it? If you send the phone back and it works fine, what to do? if you send back a phone and it works fine, who pays for shipping? Now in the US at retail you can return something if the sky is blue. We can't work that way and build a open source phone. well, we can but the cost of blue sky returns would have to be added to the phone. In the end, as micheal will tell you, I work every case. So, If you have a problem, email me or micheal. tell us that you tried the fixes we suggested. And we will work from there. Michael Shiloh wrote: ian douglas wrote: Sean/Michael/Community: It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD fixes and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm hoping that at some point the squeaky wheel cliche will work itself out and we'll get an answer. The boxes the Freerunners came in gave no information about warranty, we need to hear from Openmoko about what exactly the warranty does cover? My understanding of the warranty time limit is that single purchases got a 14-day warranty, and group purchases were given a 28-day warranty, but we've never been told what the warranty includes. I'd really like to outline some of this on the wiki since we're cleaning it all up, etc., and since few users will ever search the mailing list archives anyway. Will it include any recall/repairs needed to fix the GPS/SD problems at a hardware level? Thanks, Ian Ian, I agree with you, and I'm sure Steve and Sean (and everyone at Openmoko) do as well. I'm sure that the only reason that Steve has not responded (for he is the one to respond to this) is that he is completely overwhelmed by email, manufacturing and shipping, and releasing stuff this week. He is wearing the hats of Marketing, Operations, Manufacturing, Shipping, Testing, Hardware and Software final test, Field Engineer Manager, Customer Service Manager, Product Oversight (a new category I just created), Trade Show Coordinator, Vertical Market Manager, and many others I can't even remember. I will be talking to him today and I'll see if we can address this issue. Thanks for helping to keep us focused, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list
Re: Om2008 as a day phone
Bryan DeLuca wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:49:24 -0700 (PDT) yochaigal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, as you all know the phone sometimes doesn't wake from suspend mode. This is very annoying, and I been able to find the fix yet. It seems to go away if I disable the auto-suspend option. Then I stick to manual suspends via the power button. Haven't had the suspend problem since I did this. Wrote here it happens only if I've attached the phone to the power and then I try to suspend. Otherwise, if I run the phone and I make it suspend (manually or automatically) it has no problems in waking up. As soon as I detach the phone from the USB cable after some hacking, I can't resume anymore... :o -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2008 as a day phone
Right that's pretty much when it happens to me as well, except sometimes, even after I disconnect it I still have problems. Right now opkg is updating VERY slowly, and GPRS multiplexing refuses to work. Other than that, its good as a phone (I wish we had a better contact manager!). Thanks for the replies, and let me just say, Treviño I'm a big fan of your work. yochai -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Om2008-as-a-day-phone-tp782106p783190.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia wired headsets compatibility
I tried 4 shops today, looking for an adapter, no luck at all. Mostly blank, unknowing stares. I found/ordered one from ebay, so fingers crossed. While this does not direcly address your problem, the ebay description mentioned a dozen or more devices which the adapter was compatiblw with. Thet may give you a clue as to what headsets will work. I'll post the text it later today. grumble On a less helpful note, I think it's unhelpful of OM not to either sell, supply or link to a suitible adapter. My fault for not researching my options before buying my FR, but who would have thought the adapter would be so ellusive. Of course when the adaptor arrives, what chance of it working (alsa etc). \grumble On 8/26/08, Alberto Morales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, In this page at the wiki [1] describes the pinout of the headset connector. It also says that the four-ring 2.5mm stereo jack is used by motorola smartphones and the v-360. Both motorola smartphones and v-360 are very difficult to get in stores because v-360 is more than three years old. I've spend today three hours in a dozen stores in my city and i only found one, new but in very bad state, and very expensive (~25 eur). [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset Some new nokia mobiles have the same kind of connector. This wiki page [2] says that the nokia 3.5-2.5 adapters doesn't work, but says nothing about nokia headsets. Some nokia headset model numbers with the same plug are: HS-45/AD-54, WH-700, HS-44/AD-44, HS-47, HS-40. Have you tried any of these on the Neo? [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Buttons_and_connectors Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
