Re: FDOM and such
no advice any one else has Still the same :( Perhaps I need to reflash more than just u-boot, kernel and rootfs? As stated in another message, I played around with ASU and Debian, and I believe some of this still hangs around. you can do nand erase rootfs and nand erase kernel before flashing to get rid of everything. Rakshat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast dfu-util for Mac?
Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Abdelrazak, I would love to know how to make it act in this manner, I'd love to not wait so long to finish flashing some days. Note that my numbers are theoretical. The protocol overhead from usb and dfuutils might also explain the slowness if it is already running at full speed. The usb driver experts should speak up in order to clarify that issue IMHO. Abdel. PS: Please don't top post -Shawn Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Linus, 15 minutes is average for flashing my FR with anything I've tried so far. From what I found on the wiki the device is only USB1.1 so it isn't going to get any faster than that until a revision which moves to USB2.0. Well, 97MB is 776Mbit, USB1.1 is capable of either 1.5 Mbit/s (Low-Speed) and 12 Mbit/s (Full-Speed). So flashing it should take less than 9 minutes with low speed and a bit more than a minute with full-speed. Maybe I am wrong but my conclusion is that the Freerunner only use the low speed protocol of USB. If I am right, there is room to get 8 times faster on Linux too. Abdel. -Shawn Linus Gasser wrote: Hello all, another question: if I boot the jffs from FDOM (97MB), it takes nearly 15 minutes on my Mac with the dfu-util from http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher I heard somebody complain about the same issue on Windows. Is there another solution than to install Linux on my Mac? Anybody? Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM and such
David Samblas a écrit : - Delete the installer at the bottom of the display - it's useless and takes away space Please post how to do it, I will readd the installer as other app when i was able to make submenus but I will be very happy if you tellme how to remove the bottom bar. opkg remove -recursive assassin But the buttons still remain... - Suspend/Resume doesn't work reliably. Reading the list I tried * starting with external power attached - it works * starting without external power attached - it doesn't well, I tried only 2 times, so this might not be statistically conclusive. Anybody else sees the same thing? If it helps you , while auto suspend/resume has this issues I have disabled the auto suspend and only enable the blank screen, I supend it manually trough the power button and I have no problem at all, it wakes up on calls, and when I push the power button again. Now I re-installed FDOM-080909 (I hope you understand it's not the latest), changed Settings - Suspend to off and Configuration - Power - Blank Time to 60 sec, Configuration - Power - Suspend... to Off. Still, when I press the power button, wait for some seconds, and press it again, the screen stays black! - SSH not working - I have to restart it by hand. I'm looking into this one strange, I have no such problem and no advice any one else has Still the same :( Perhaps I need to reflash more than just u-boot, kernel and rootfs? As stated in another message, I played around with ASU and Debian, and I believe some of this still hangs around. # uname -a Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Sep 3 19:01:18 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown doesn't look so bad, does it? Well, my main SIM-card is again in a Nokia, which boots in 3 seconds, takes calls immediately and goes to sleep just nice... Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Should I update u-boot?
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: u-boot is effectively your bios and therefore fwiu facilitates power management and the like. Certain features will benefit like suspend and booting from ext3. I'dd add: recharging a Freerunner with a dead battery... snip I have a big favor to ask. Could someone direct me exactly to a correct version of u-boot that can charge a Freerunner with a dead battery? An exact URL with a file name would mean a lot to me. :-) I checked http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND, and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#End_user, and http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update. Is this the file I need? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/Om2008.8-gta02-20080903.uImage.bin Thanks, Vinc end-user ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.8-update) (audio/GSM) alsamixer names
Disclamer: I'm not a kernel hacker... yet. Just poking around I'd say look in the kernel sources under /sound/soc/codecs/wm8753.c Happy Hacking, -Ian On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Vasco Névoa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Some callers have been complaining my GSM microphone level is low, so I've been reading the threads about echo cancellation and alsa state files, but every time I walk into alsamixer I get lost. I'd like to suggest different names for the Alsa controls, because quite frankly I cannot relate to the ones I see in alsamixer. But first I'd like to ask you guys if you feel the same need as me. Do you feel comfortable with the present alsa channel names, or would you like them to be clearer? I think that these names are confusing and sometimes even misleading. They should be closer to the user... like for example, from (1) we know that the Voice interface is connected to the bluetooth interface; why not call it bluetooth?? The same goes for PCM; I know everybody knows that PCM means Pulse Code Modulated and that can only come from the CPU, but can't we make life easier on ourselves and call it CPU or SoC or System or something more obvious that says this is Linux's sound card? The Mic1 and Mic2 could be called HeadMic and BuiltInMic or something. This would make it clearer for everyone messing with these settings, and so would help accelerate the troubleshooting of this complex system. As to the more obscure controls, like the MUXers and the intermediate routing volume levels, I'd like them to be less distracting and more accurate; they are used for several things, so they should not be named for external objects; how about calling them their wolfson datasheet names, like LMSEL?... this way we wouldn't need to constantly try to decode the meaning of each of these things, we'd just open up the picture (1) and everybody would know precisely what is being talked about... Basically, I'm trying to propose a naming scheme that separates high-level stuff (like plain Headphones and Microphone volume) from low-level stuff (like routing in the mixers). This would allow us newbies to play in alsamixer without fear of breaking some obscure routing that may later come back to bite us in the ear. Does anyone know where the alsa channel names are defined (which file)? Oh, and I think I see a bug: the channel names Headphone and Speaker are exchanged, as far as I can see. Phone call volume is controlled via Speaker and SoC music play is controlled via Headphone; Isn't this supposed to be the other way around? Please confirm/deny. (1): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#ALSA_Channels Vasco Névoa. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Should I update u-boot?
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 14:42:01 Vinc Duran wrote: I have a big favor to ask. Could someone direct me exactly to a correct version of u-boot that can charge a Freerunner with a dead battery? An exact URL with a file name would mean a lot to me. :-) Every u-boot I've tried has been able to charge a dead battery. It just takes like 6 hours before you can turn it on :) ... this is due to the hardware needing to be primed before allowing for proper charging. I don't know if this will ever change, software/firmware-wise. I only run testing ... everything ... so I'd only point you to daily for u- boot. If you want to test ... run it flat then try and charge over night. Keep a battery handy if you can ;) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.8-update) (audio/GSM) alsamixer names
Hi, If someone could just write up their knowledge about the various mixer items in alsa i think that would help a lot. I have been fiddling with alsa for days on end but its a real maze. For example it would speed up development of better defaults if people would post their working state files. //danielh 2008/9/16 Vasco Névoa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi. Some callers have been complaining my GSM microphone level is low, so I've been reading the threads about echo cancellation and alsa state files, but every time I walk into alsamixer I get lost. I'd like to suggest different names for the Alsa controls, because quite frankly I cannot relate to the ones I see in alsamixer. But first I'd like to ask you guys if you feel the same need as me. Do you feel comfortable with the present alsa channel names, or would you like them to be clearer? I think that these names are confusing and sometimes even misleading. They should be closer to the user... like for example, from (1) we know that the Voice interface is connected to the bluetooth interface; why not call it bluetooth?? The same goes for PCM; I know everybody knows that PCM means Pulse Code Modulated and that can only come from the CPU, but can't we make life easier on ourselves and call it CPU or SoC or System or something more obvious that says this is Linux's sound card? The Mic1 and Mic2 could be called HeadMic and BuiltInMic or something. This would make it clearer for everyone messing with these settings, and so would help accelerate the troubleshooting of this complex system. As to the more obscure controls, like the MUXers and the intermediate routing volume levels, I'd like them to be less distracting and more accurate; they are used for several things, so they should not be named for external objects; how about calling them their wolfson datasheet names, like LMSEL?... this way we wouldn't need to constantly try to decode the meaning of each of these things, we'd just open up the picture (1) and everybody would know precisely what is being talked about... Basically, I'm trying to propose a naming scheme that separates high-level stuff (like plain Headphones and Microphone volume) from low-level stuff (like routing in the mixers). This would allow us newbies to play in alsamixer without fear of breaking some obscure routing that may later come back to bite us in the ear. Does anyone know where the alsa channel names are defined (which file)? Oh, and I think I see a bug: the channel names Headphone and Speaker are exchanged, as far as I can see. Phone call volume is controlled via Speaker and SoC music play is controlled via Headphone; Isn't this supposed to be the other way around? Please confirm/deny. (1): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#ALSA_Channels Vasco Névoa. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mockup or what else?
Treviño, However there's another question to Openmoko: another important developer left openmoko; unfortunately he's not the first of the list. Why this happens so often? In every message I've read about, it's always stated that there's no so much openness as it should be. This happens because Free Software is driven forward by highly motivated and opinionated individuals. 'pro-active' people rather than people waiting for orders. Openmoko is brave enough in hiring a whole bunch of them and trying to make them work together. I think I can say we are moderately successful at that, at least we are shipping actual phones and have actual software running on them. I know about the bugs... We are constantly looking for people who want to join, right now especially in graphics (with focus on 3D) and kernel work. As raster says on his blog, Openmoko was a non-working thing for him, and he is now a free man and can work without interference. I think that's great! Openmoko cannot possibly fund all Free Software projects in the world. We can only use our very limited financial resources (which come from phone sales), to pay for certain things that are _MISSING_ in the Free Software world and we feel won't be created by themselves or by others. Going forward we want to have a much stronger focus on quality, bug fixing, kernel robustness, automated testing, production testing, etc. For the Openmoko factory images, everything stays the same with regards to Enlightenment, in fact we have only just started to use it more and more. Going forward, EFL and Edje will become central pieces in Openmoko's factory images. I think that's a pretty big commitment, and I hope raster will appreciate. It's because his software is good! Maybe one day we can convince him to take one for the team again and work for Openmoko. Maybe not. Our doors are open, for raster and others who think they can help Openmoko. Email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards, Wolfgang On Sep 16, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:13:39 +0200 Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-02.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-03.png Are these mockups or where can I obtain this theme. It looks amazingly good. i don't do mockups... :) they pollute! :) it's real. ignore the clock and its background - that's just a test app i wrote (called Ello). i'm in the middle of doing illume extensions to e17's nw default theme. Woow! That's really amazing... Rasterman you're always the only who can make us dreaming even more. Btw I didn't read before the bad news about leaving Openmoko [1]... This made me really so much sad. Reading your latest mail I figured that your relationship with Om was not going so well (didn't they leave you enough space of developing how and what you'd have liked?), but I really hoped that this wouldn't ever happen... :( Now that enlightenment is so important for Openmoko, what will be our future? Since the main E developer isn't anymore part of Openmoko, its development won't be anymore Om-focussed; then Rasterman in the near future could be occupied in other things, so his interest for e- embedded could decrease and with it also the quality of the software that we'll use. However there's another question to Openmoko: another important developer left openmoko; unfortunately he's not the first of the list. Why this happens so often? In every message I've read about, it's always stated that there's no so much openness as it should be. This won't to be a flame, but we all know how people like Rasterman are important for the project. I can't really understand how we can throw those opportunities away... [1] http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast dfu-util for Mac?
Ian a écrit : It has occurred to me that it would actually be faster to reflash the neo over wireless - not that I would recommend that practice for hopefully obvious reasons. Well, one could transfer it over wireless, then once it's over there, md5 it and flash it, no? Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Should I update u-boot?
Vinc Duran wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: u-boot is effectively your bios and therefore fwiu facilitates power management and the like. Certain features will benefit like suspend and booting from ext3. I'dd add: recharging a Freerunner with a dead battery... snip I have a big favor to ask. Could someone direct me exactly to a correct version of u-boot that can charge a Freerunner with a dead battery? An exact URL with a file name would mean a lot to me. :-) I checked http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND, and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#End_user, and http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update. Is this the file I need? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/Om2008.8-gta02-20080903.uImage.bin Thanks, Vinc end-user If I understand correctly (although there's a good chance I don't!), then http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin is the latest u-boot which is built daily and should have all the latest patch goodness. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I don't know what I'm talking about HTH, -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mockup or what else?
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:06:32 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:13:39 +0200 Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-02.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-03.png Are these mockups or where can I obtain this theme. It looks amazingly good. i don't do mockups... :) they pollute! :) it's real. ignore the clock and its background - that's just a test app i wrote (called Ello). i'm in the middle of doing illume extensions to e17's nw default theme. Woow! That's really amazing... Rasterman you're always the only who can make us dreaming even more. don't think it's amazing. :) it's just using the power already lurking under the hood there with edje etc. i generally code things to have much more power than is apparent - with simple changes of configuration/data files. i like to do it this way because i know most people are not coders. they should not rely on programmers to just be able to change a look and feel. this is something i prefer to put into the hands of users as much as possible. sometimes it complicates a lot of things - but in the end, it is worth it. i'm just using the power already there. you can too! there's a toango theme which is also doing it! e (and also illume) are built in a way where this can be flexible and right now in om's asu (2008.08) you're relatively limited. you can change theme. e does have a whole config profile system where you can quickly change the entire setup to a previously stored profile you have with an instant flip. i've started using them more heavily in some last changes i made to asu (2008.08/on to 2008.09) and fso - so they use asu and fso profiles respectively. anyway... there needs to be work on the ui look and feel to make it at least out of the box impressive enough to have people drool and go i want me some of that open source stuff there! Btw I didn't read before the bad news about leaving Openmoko [1]... This made me really so much sad. Reading your latest mail I figured that your relationship with Om was not going so well (didn't they leave you enough space of developing how and what you'd have liked?), but I really hoped that this wouldn't ever happen... :( Now that enlightenment is so important for Openmoko, what will be our future? Since the main E developer isn't anymore part of Openmoko, its development won't be anymore Om-focussed; then Rasterman in the near future could be occupied in other things, so his interest for e-embedded could decrease and with it also the quality of the software that we'll use. it'll be focused on what i want. trust me - been quietly preparing for embedded for many years - and it still interests me a lot. i will be doing stuff - but pretty much on my own terms as to what i see is right. what i see as right of course is heavily influenced by what users want and need and say they have problems with - i generally would take that and digest it into an acceptable technical solution in the end. it isn't always perfect - it's hard to be. but you can give it a good go and try and get a lot of the way there. users are also not just nerds.. they are also what would my grandmother do? general questions. try and cover both groups - make it an option. options come in many varieties. sometimes its better as an installable app/package, sometimes it just takes too much work to do that, sometimes its better as a runtime option, sometimes as something else. sometimes you can do it both ways and not make it bad for either group (keep everyone happy) :). i generally prefer runtime options u do not need to install - if they come at pretty much no extra cost. no magic packages to find or be told about. just browse the config options (in advanced mode) and fiddle until it does what you want :) However there's another question to Openmoko: another important developer left openmoko; unfortunately he's not the first of the list. Why this happens so often? In every message I've read about, it's always stated that there's no so much openness as it should be. This won't to be a flame, but we all know how people like Rasterman are important for the project. I can't really understand how we can throw those opportunities away... -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
python-pyqt -- building against Qtopia in 2008.8
Over the past week (on and off), I have attempted to try and get PyQt working (as I feel it is the quickest way to get GUI apps up and running), but have run into some trouble. First off, I have got PyQt (PyQt-4.3.3 linked against the Qt 4.4 libraries) working, but, of course, as the libraries are not already loaded, it is fairly slow to load the library. I can share the opk/ipk files, if there's interest (and if anyone is interested in hosting them :). This requires that qt4-x11- free be installed, however; and the LD_LIBRARY_PATH must be set to search /usr/lib/ first so that it doesn't try to open the ones in /opt/Qtopia/ first and come up with undefined references. However, this brought me to thinking, is there a way to build a version of PyQt against the qtopia libraries that are already installed? (the ones located in /opt/Qtopia) I see that these are in a separate package (qtopia-phone-x11, I believe, rather than qtopia-core), and do not have an associated bbclass with them Is this even a viable thing to attempt? If at all possible, I would like to get PyQt working (well) on the Freerunner, and I am sure I am not the only one. (PS. is this the right list for these kind of questions?) -- Kelvie Wong ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast dfu-util for Mac?
Abdelrazak, I would love to know how to make it act in this manner, I'd love to not wait so long to finish flashing some days. -Shawn Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Linus, 15 minutes is average for flashing my FR with anything I've tried so far. From what I found on the wiki the device is only USB1.1 so it isn't going to get any faster than that until a revision which moves to USB2.0. Well, 97MB is 776Mbit, USB1.1 is capable of either 1.5 Mbit/s (Low-Speed) and 12 Mbit/s (Full-Speed). So flashing it should take less than 9 minutes with low speed and a bit more than a minute with full-speed. Maybe I am wrong but my conclusion is that the Freerunner only use the low speed protocol of USB. If I am right, there is room to get 8 times faster on Linux too. Abdel. -Shawn Linus Gasser wrote: Hello all, another question: if I boot the jffs from FDOM (97MB), it takes nearly 15 minutes on my Mac with the dfu-util from http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher I heard somebody complain about the same issue on Windows. Is there another solution than to install Linux on my Mac? Anybody? Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Should I update u-boot?
Hi Vinc, I have a big favor to ask. Could someone direct me exactly to a correct version of u-boot that can charge a Freerunner with a dead battery? An exact URL with a file name would mean a lot to me. :-) http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin should do the trick. I checked http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND, and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#End_user, and http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update. Is this the file I need? http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/Om2008.8-gta02-20080903.uImage.bin No, that's a kernel image packaged for uBoot. Cheers, -Ian -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mockup or what else?
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 14:06:32 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: However there's another question to Openmoko: another important developer left openmoko; unfortunately he's not the first of the list. Why this happens so often? In every message I've read about, it's always stated that there's no so much openness as it should be. This won't to be a flame, but we all know how people like Rasterman are important for the project. I can't really understand how we can throw those opportunities away... Rasterman already stated on this list that his efforts will be directed towards fso and we all know that fso will be merged with om2008 right? :) I installed milestone 3 the other day and was pleased to see illume, with the wrench :) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: python-pyqt -- building against Qtopia in 2008.8
Le 16/9/2008, Kelvie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Hi Kelvie, get PyQt working (well) on the Freerunner, and I am sure I am not the only one. No, you are not the only one! My application is now using PyGTK (see my previous - and first - post) because I run it on a Nokia Internet Tablet, and I would like to run it on Openmoko, and then switch to PyQT! I can't help you, right now, because I don't have any knowledge of Openmoko, but I would like to. So, if could point me to documentations to do what you did, I may have a look. I don't have a FreeRunner, but I installed the qemu-emulator. Is it possible to use it as a developpement plateform? (PS. is this the right list for these kind of questions?) Don't know either. -- Frédéric ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Startup/Xstart image replacement (How to remove the boots?!)
Hi, The boot splash should be flashed in its own partition. It was mentioned on the -devel list that it is apparently going to be part of the next upgrade. I posted the link to that message on the list last week IIRC, suggesting to add it to the zenity interface. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distribution choice
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 20:41, Kevin Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are debating between Om 2007.2 and Om 2008.8. Which release is more stable? 2007.2 or 2008.8, in regards to the Freerunner. 2007.2 is not supported anymore ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
(OM2008.8-update) (audio/GSM) alsamixer names
I'd like to suggest different names for the Alsa controls, because quite frankly I cannot relate to the ones I see in alsamixer. But first I'd like to ask you guys if you feel the same need as me. Do you feel comfortable with the present alsa channel names, or would you like them to be clearer? That would be a great deed. The present alsa channel names stink so much that only the bravest of the brave dare to get close to that subsystem. That goes a long way to explain why so far we still do not have the automagical configuration we all would like. Even on my desktop box, by the way, I had to rewire it to my stereo using the analog jack output because I lost the configuration for the coax digital. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Java FX, any news?
Hello everyone, I was going through some of my bookmarks and stumbled over the Java FX announcement in May this year: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=19entry_id=16310 There is even a Java FX Mobile dedicated to mobile devices: http://java.sun.com/javafx/mobile/ Does anyone now if somebody is pursuing this cheers Philipp ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO milestone3 my view (ON gta01)
Hello Dale. To answer your question : The equivalent of source in python is execfile(filename). That should work the way you said. charlie/guillaume On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 15:07 +1000, Dale Maggee wrote: One more (dumb?) question: since I'd rather keep my zhone updated, I was thinking I could create a file named ~/addressbook.py, which contains: self.cbPhonebookReply( [ (1, u'Kirk', '+023224433'), (2, u'Spock', '+034433463'), (3, u'McCoy', '+013244344'), (4, u'Scott', '+013244344'), (5, u'Uhura', '+013244344'), (6, u'Sulu', '+013244344'), (7, u'Chekov', '+456663443'), ] ) and then do the python equivalent of source ~/addressbook.py at line 742. This means that I could easily keep my zhone updated and just make a one-line change when it gets updated... but is there / what is a python equivalent of source? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
I am having a problem registering anything ASU/FSO based with the Australian Vodafone GSM network. Its not the SIM card but ASU/FSO as 2007.2 works fine. I also believe that other Aussies are having the same problem. I found some pages describing how to manually talk to the GSM chip, but they are 2007 based and dont work for me. Is there anything on how to talk to the GSM chip (mimicom?) on the wiki? Are the connect commands built into the GSM daemon, or in a config file somewhere they can be checked/modded? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[ASU] Timezone problems
Hi, got my Freerunner a few days ago and I love it. I've ironed out most of the problems that bugged me but Iäm still having some problems with setting the timezone. I did as the wiki says. Tzdata was already installed so I replaced /etc/localtime with a soft link to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Tallinn. After that I set the right time with the date command. Now however, when selecting set clock from the clock app in Settings, it shows the timezone as London and all the fields are grayed out (except autosetting clock option). The openmoko-dates app as well selects london as the default time zone and if I add events using Europe/Tallinn then they're couple hours amiss. When I use the date command it shows output as Tue Sep 16 11:23:21 EEST 2008 - EEST should afaik be the right setting. Any help? If I should provide any extra information let me know. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
Bill, I'm on the Aussie Vodafone network, using an old sim card I've had for *many* years (it's red and labelled sim^2 [i.e sim squared]), and FSO3 works fine for me, although sometimes it takes a little while to prompt for my PIN. as for ASU I can't be sure - the last time I tested it it registered, but again took a while, but It only lasted maybe 2 reboots before it got reverted back to 2007.2 again. I don't have FSO on at the moment, but I'm planning on giving it another shot one of these days. hopefully something here will be mildly helpfull. If there'a sny other info I can provide please ask. Cheers, -Dale W.Kenworthy wrote: I am having a problem registering anything ASU/FSO based with the Australian Vodafone GSM network. Its not the SIM card but ASU/FSO as 2007.2 works fine. I also believe that other Aussies are having the same problem. I found some pages describing how to manually talk to the GSM chip, but they are 2007 based and dont work for me. Is there anything on how to talk to the GSM chip (mimicom?) on the wiki? Are the connect commands built into the GSM daemon, or in a config file somewhere they can be checked/modded? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ASU] Timezone problems
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:24:24 +0300 Yogiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now however, when selecting set clock from the clock app in Settings, it shows the timezone as London and all the fields are grayed out (except autosetting clock option). try setting autosetting to: off then edit the other (timezone) fields, and then back to ask or on ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Startup/Xstart image replacement (How to remove the boots?!)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The boot splash should be flashed in its own partition. It was mentioned on the -devel list that it is apparently going to be part of the next upgrade. I posted the link to that message on the list last week IIRC, suggesting to add it to the zenity interface. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Minh, That is the u-boot splash image that is on its own partition, not the kernel's bootsplash or x-start-splash. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.8-update) (audio/GSM) alsamixer names
On Tuesday 16 September 2008, Ian wrote: Disclamer: I'm not a kernel hacker... yet. Just poking around I'd say look in the kernel sources under /sound/soc/codecs/wm8753.c And this is why it has conusing names. The names come from the alsa driver, and the alsa driver is for the generic wm8753 so the names are following the usage on the Wolfson datasheet rather than the way they've been used in the Freerunner. An alternative approach would be to patch alsamixer to use a set of alternate display names from a config file. This way the kernel driver remains useful to anyone using the audio chip, and the names can reflect the usage on a particular device. more inline below... On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Vasco Névoa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Some callers have been complaining my GSM microphone level is low, so I've been reading the threads about echo cancellation and alsa state files, but every time I walk into alsamixer I get lost. I'd like to suggest different names for the Alsa controls, because quite frankly I cannot relate to the ones I see in alsamixer. But first I'd like to ask you guys if you feel the same need as me. Do you feel comfortable with the present alsa channel names, or would you like them to be clearer? I think that these names are confusing and sometimes even misleading. They should be closer to the user... like for example, from (1) we know that the Voice interface is connected to the bluetooth interface; why not call it bluetooth?? The same goes for PCM; I know everybody knows that PCM means Pulse Code Modulated and that can only come from the CPU, but can't we make life easier on ourselves and call it CPU or SoC or System or something more obvious that says this is Linux's sound card? The Mic1 and Mic2 could be called HeadMic and BuiltInMic or something. This would make it clearer for everyone messing with these settings, and so would help accelerate the troubleshooting of this complex system. As to the more obscure controls, like the MUXers and the intermediate routing volume levels, I'd like them to be less distracting and more accurate; they are used for several things, so they should not be named for external objects; how about calling them their wolfson datasheet names, like LMSEL?... this way we wouldn't need to constantly try to decode the meaning of each of these things, we'd just open up the picture (1) and everybody would know precisely what is being talked about... Basically, I'm trying to propose a naming scheme that separates high-level stuff (like plain Headphones and Microphone volume) from low-level stuff (like routing in the mixers). This would allow us newbies to play in alsamixer without fear of breaking some obscure routing that may later come back to bite us in the ear. From a usability point of view I agree. See alternative proposal at the top about where to do the renaming. Coming up with a set of alternate names is a good start on its own as it will make a handy lookup table. Does anyone know where the alsa channel names are defined (which file)? Oh, and I think I see a bug: the channel names Headphone and Speaker are exchanged, as far as I can see. Phone call volume is controlled via Speaker and SoC music play is controlled via Headphone; Isn't this supposed to be the other way around? Please confirm/deny. They're right from the Wolfson perspective. As used in the Freerunner it's a little more complicated as physically there is a speaker, a headset and a handset earpiece. The earpiece is connected to the wolfson 'speaker' output since this is mono. The 'headphone' stereo out goes to an amp chip which drives the physical headset and speaker. If the amp has the speaker enabled (I don't remember the alsa control for this) the headset will have sound in one ear only. If you're electrically minded you can see this in the schematics: http://downloads.openmoko.org/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf How best to present this as control names is another matter ;-) (1): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#ALSA_Channels Vasco Névoa. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google Android
I have no intention to install Android, even if it was possible. I think it will not be opensourced(parts written by google). AFAIK the only language to use will be java. On 9/16/08, abatrour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many news sources state it is being released on September 23rd. I watched one video on youtube where they showed it on test hardware running a 300mhz cpu and it ran very smooth. I'm excited to see how it will run on the Free Runners when its ported over to arm4. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Google-Android-tp1091908p1091908.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wesnoth
Did you have to add any repositories? I'm using the FDOM image from 13th September and don't see it in opkg list. Chris. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Hans-Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 14. September 2008 17:08:00 schrieb Martin Šenkeřík: and from which repositories? i use latest fdom here. didn't installed it with opkg, but can see it here with opkg list. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
On Tuesday 16 September 2008, W.Kenworthy wrote: I am having a problem registering anything ASU/FSO based with the Australian Vodafone GSM network. Its not the SIM card but ASU/FSO as 2007.2 works fine. I also believe that other Aussies are having the same problem. I found some pages describing how to manually talk to the GSM chip, but they are 2007 based and dont work for me. Is there anything on how to talk to the GSM chip (mimicom?) on the wiki? mickeyterm in FSO gives you a connection to the GSM chip to run AT commands. Are the connect commands built into the GSM daemon, or in a config file somewhere they can be checked/modded? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google Android
Hi, AFAIK, Java is the de-facto standard programming language for the Android SDK. What is or not Free Software isn't yet known (again AFAIK) although it was rumoured to be about 20% non-free. But what wouldn't be Free Software? Drivers? User land applications? Low level important stuff? Who knows. I'm hoping it's important stuff is Free Software, so we may have yet another software stack for the OpenMoko, shedding away toe proprietary crapware :) Rui On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:08:23AM +0030, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no intention to install Android, even if it was possible. I think it will not be opensourced(parts written by google). AFAIK the only language to use will be java. On 9/16/08, abatrour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many news sources state it is being released on September 23rd. I watched one video on youtube where they showed it on test hardware running a 300mhz cpu and it ran very smooth. I'm excited to see how it will run on the Free Runners when its ported over to arm4. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Google-Android-tp1091908p1091908.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- This statement is false. Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 40th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wesnoth
Info about running Wesnoth on FreeRunner can be found here: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=22124start=0st=0sk=tsd=a 2008/9/16 Chris Hogan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Did you have to add any repositories? I'm using the FDOM image from 13th September and don't see it in opkg list. Chris. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Hans-Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 14. September 2008 17:08:00 schrieb Martin Šenkeřík: and from which repositories? i use latest fdom here. didn't installed it with opkg, but can see it here with opkg list. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Startup/Xstart image replacement (How to remove the boots?!)
Le mardi 16 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : That is the u-boot splash image that is on its own partition, not the kernel's bootsplash or x-start-splash. True enough. I tried to clarify this on the wiki at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Themes -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
Thanks. I also found you can run the daemon in verbose mode on the command line. Doesnt appear to be asking to register. I dont have a pin set, so have just set it in my Treo to see if that is the problem. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:51 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2008, W.Kenworthy wrote: I am having a problem registering anything ASU/FSO based with the Australian Vodafone GSM network. Its not the SIM card but ASU/FSO as 2007.2 works fine. I also believe that other Aussies are having the same problem. I found some pages describing how to manually talk to the GSM chip, but they are 2007 based and dont work for me. Is there anything on how to talk to the GSM chip (mimicom?) on the wiki? mickeyterm in FSO gives you a connection to the GSM chip to run AT commands. Are the connect commands built into the GSM daemon, or in a config file somewhere they can be checked/modded? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google Android
2008/9/16 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, AFAIK, Java is the de-facto standard programming language for the Android SDK. What is or not Free Software isn't yet known (again AFAIK) although it was rumoured to be about 20% non-free. Ah, Google's famous 20% ! :-) (For anyone who doesn't know: Google allow their software engineers to spend 20% of their time on their own projects.) Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Broadcast receiver based on FreeRunner (openmokast): Answers to some questions
I collected some questions from the community, which Jean-Michel Bouffard, a Research Engineer at the Communications Research Centre in Canada, graciously agreed to answer. I hope to see his work inspire similar projects: (Note: The attachment (*) Jean-Michel mentions below will be placed on downloads or some such place shortly) == It will be a pleasure answering some of your questions. In particular, people are interested in whether the plastic or the hardware will be available to the public, even in small, experimental quantities, and beyond, whether you know of any commercial modules that might be substituted for your custom modules. The plastic part was designed from the case CAD files that were released on the openmoko.com website. I attached (*) a model that can be seen using the free edrawings viewer (http://www.edrawingsviewer.com/). We will most probably release the source ProE model of the backplate extension as soon as the author agrees. From the source ProE model, we have ordered a small quantity of 3D printouts in ABS from a local company (http://cimetrixsolutions.com/). Other provider of such custom ABS parts could also be http://www.protomold.com or https://www.redeyerpm.com For the hardware module, it was provided by a manufacturer but we are in a discussion process with them so nothing will be released for now. To sum it all up we are not planning to release any hardware ourselves but after we release the extension ProE files, people will be able to order plastic parts themselves. And hopefully our discussion with receiver manufacturer(s) should result in a receiver commercially available with the driver included in openmokast. So I suggest that you register to our RSS feed (http://openmokast.org/index.php?option=com_rd_rssid=2) to stay current with the news. We are also interested in details such as how the hardware was connected. We note with pleasure that the software is open-sourced, and wonder how independent the hardware layer is, so that it might be replaced with drivers for e.g. an off-the-shelf receiver of some sort. The hardware uses a USB interface so it was connected to the USB port of the FreeRunner from inside the case. When setting USB in host mode and the host mode in type 1, the FreeRunner is able to power the broadcasting receiver from its battery. I personally am fascinated by your previous work with Gumstix and SDR, as I am an amateur radio operator (KA6RCQ). It has been an interest of mine to fashion some sort of ham SDR on external hardware, and then to use the FreeRunner as the GUI and the audio IO device. Is any of your work on this available to the public? This work on SDR was conducted by a completely different team from the CRC so I cannot say if they have ever released some of their work to the public. Regards, Michael Thanks for your interest... -- Jean-Michel Bouffard Research Engineer | Ingénieur de recherche Communications Research | Centre de recherches sur les Centre Canada | communications Canada Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Cour.: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: www.crc.ca | Site web: www.crc.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google Android
I'm glad I was wrong about the Java :-) Free software for me is what described on the gnu philosophy page - free as in speech, not free as in beer. That's why I have Freerunner, and not nokia n95 or iPhone. But this is of course my personal view. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Java FX, any news?
On Tue 16 Sep 2008 10:45:58 Philipp Aeberli wrote: Hello everyone, I was going through some of my bookmarks and stumbled over the Java FX announcement in May this year: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=19entry_id=16310 There is even a Java FX Mobile dedicated to mobile devices: http://java.sun.com/javafx/mobile/ Does anyone now if somebody is pursuing this Hi Philipp, I have attempted some experiments with JavaFX. I'm using Debian with CacaoVM implementing JSE 1.5, and i tried the SDK preview samples Stopwatch, ImageRollover and Madness. Here are the results so far: * Stopwatch run but was deadly slow! It may be that it requires floating-point maths for the clock-pointers. * ImageRollover (just a close-button) starts slow but is perfectly responsive! * Madness segfaulted CacaoVM with a unable to find a Java method message. Attempts with others progs have also end-up with CacaoVM segfaults. Tried also JamVM but classpath-classes didn't implement Window.isLocationByPlatform() method so JavaFX aborts. Hope the above info helps. Regards, Kostis PS: These attempts are the precursory steps of evaluating the possibility of an ala Tichy FSO-based JavaFX+OSGi software for OpenMoko devices. Any feedback appreciated. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google Android
No, I think you're right about the Java. According to the website the only way to create android apps is java, compiled down to their special bytecode format. Dan 2008/9/16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm glad I was wrong about the Java :-) Free software for me is what described on the gnu philosophy page - free as in speech, not free as in beer. That's why I have Freerunner, and not nokia n95 or iPhone. But this is of course my personal view. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- http://www.mcld.co.uk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.8-update) (audio/GSM) alsamixer names
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to suggest different names for the Alsa controls, because quite frankly I cannot relate to the ones I see in alsamixer. But first I'd like to ask you guys if you feel the same need as me. Do you feel comfortable with the present alsa channel names, or would you like them to be clearer? That would be a great deed. The present alsa channel names stink so much that only the bravest of the brave dare to get close to that subsystem. That goes a long way to explain why so far we still do not have the automagical configuration we all would like. Even on my desktop box, by the way, I had to rewire it to my stereo using the analog jack output because I lost the configuration for the coax digital. Minh Renaming them might be useful, but understanding their effects would be better. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
/space/fic/openmoko-daily/...?
Odd. I'm building (cross-compile toolchain) wireshark/tshark, and encountered the error: /bin/sed: can't read /space/fic/openmoko-daily/openmoko/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glib-2.0-2.16.4-r0/glib-2.16.4/glib/libglib-2.0.la: No such file or directory Where is this reference coming from? I see it in config.log when I grep around for /space/ - the following line to be specific: config.log:Configured with: /space/fic/openmoko-daily/openmoko/work/i686-armv4t-sdk-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-sdk-4.1.2-r7/gcc-4.1.2/configure --build=i686-linux --host=i686-linux --target=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi --prefix=/usr/local/openmoko/arm --exec_prefix=/usr/local/openmoko/arm --bindir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin --sbindir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin --libexecdir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/libexec --datadir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/share --sysconfdir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/etc --sharedstatedir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/share/com --localstatedir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/var --libdir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/lib --includedir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/include --oldincludedir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/include --infodir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/share/info --mandir=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/share/man --with-gnu-ld --enable-shared --enable-target-optspace --enable-languages=c,c++ --enable-threads=posix --enable-multilib --enable-c99 --enable-long-long --enable-symvers=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-pch --program-prefix=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- --disable-libssp --disable-libmudflap --with-float=soft --with-local-prefix=/space/fic/openmoko-daily/openmoko/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr --with-gxx-include-dir=/space/fic/openmoko-daily/openmoko/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi//usr/include/c++ --with-sysroot=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi --with-build-sysroot=/space/fic/openmoko-daily/openmoko/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi --disable-libunwind-exceptions --with-mpfr=/space/fic/openmoko-daily/openmoko/staging/i686-linux/usr --enable-__cxa_atexit then again in libwsutil.la: wsutil/libwsutil.la:dependency_libs=' -L/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib -L/usr/local/lib /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.la -L/usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib /space/fic/openmoko-daily/openmoko/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glib-2.0-2.16.4-r0/glib-2.16.4/glib/libglib-2.0.la -ldl /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.la /usr/local/openmoko/arm/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libz.la -L/space/fic/openmoko-daily/openmoko/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib' I've done ./configure --host=arm-angstrom-linux then hand-compiled rdps, then make. j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
William Kenworthy wrote: Thanks. I also found you can run the daemon in verbose mode on the command line. Doesnt appear to be asking to register. I dont have a pin set, so have just set it in my Treo to see if that is the problem. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:51 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2008, W.Kenworthy wrote: I am having a problem registering anything ASU/FSO based with the Australian Vodafone GSM network. Its not the SIM card but ASU/FSO as 2007.2 works fine. I also believe that other Aussies are having the same problem. I found some pages describing how to manually talk to the GSM chip, but they are 2007 based and dont work for me. Is there anything on how to talk to the GSM chip (mimicom?) on the wiki? mickeyterm in FSO gives you a connection to the GSM chip to run AT commands. Are the connect commands built into the GSM daemon, or in a config file somewhere they can be checked/modded? BillK You still can use 'cu', 'socat' or 'minicom' to connect to GSM modem directly. If you use '2007.02', you can read gsmd log. If you use '2008.08', use 'logread' to see the log information from GSM modem. Check what CME or CMS error code you have. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Cheers, Erin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OM audio infrastructures (jack, gstreamer, etc)
Hi - Which audio infrastructures are people currently using to make cool audio things happen on OM? The dev guide mentions gstreamer. I'm more familiar with jack and would be interested in using that. Are people already running jack on OM? Also wondering what the main audio daemon is, or which APIs should be used. ESD? ALSA? Thanks Dan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB host/power script (was Re: Fantastic Experience)
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:52:55 +0200, Christian Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 13.09.2008 um 01:29 schrieb Joel Newkirk: automatically switching things around. I wrote a shell script to let me choose (manually) among the various configurations more easily - when asked to go to 'power-providing' host mode, it checks for 5V presence on the USB port and refuses to send out 5V while it is so. I expect similar functionality will appear soon in the form of an applet. (context menu from the USB tray icon, perhaps?) i was planning such an applet .. is your script somewhere available? ciao, morlac Very sorry, somehow I'd overlooked this post. (and somehow I found it) The script as it stands is attached. It was lost to an SD corruption (I was keeping /usr/local mapped to the card, and keeping mapfiles and temporary storage of things I was working on there) so I've been recreating it. j ggg Description: Binary data ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.8-update) (audio/GSM) alsamixer names
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:01:51 +1000, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to suggest different names for the Alsa controls, because quite frankly I cannot relate to the ones I see in alsamixer. But first I'd like to ask you guys if you feel the same need as me. Do you feel comfortable with the present alsa channel names, or would you like them to be clearer? That would be a great deed. The present alsa channel names stink so much that only the bravest of the brave dare to get close to that subsystem. That goes a long way to explain why so far we still do not have the automagical configuration we all would like. Even on my desktop box, by the way, I had to rewire it to my stereo using the analog jack output because I lost the configuration for the coax digital. Minh Renaming them might be useful, but understanding their effects would be better. Agreed. Particularly in the context of writing a GUI interface that would simply let us set levels for speaker/mic for each use-case. :) That doesn't require changing anything in ALSA, just abstracting to more real-world-meaningful names. (EG 'speaker volume - ringer' or 'handset mic level - in-call') j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
W.Kenworthy wrote: I am having a problem registering anything ASU/FSO based with the Australian Vodafone GSM network. Its not the SIM card but ASU/FSO as 2007.2 works fine. I also believe that other Aussies are having the same problem. Just as a data point, my GTA01 running FSO registers fine with Vodafone AU. (Of course, that doesn't mean yours will, but it does mean that it's possible) -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Build process fails at gsm0710muxd
Hi, I tried to compile the openmoko image but it fails at package gsm0710muxd because the download isn't available. Any ideas? (It's my first post here, so plz don't kill me ;-)) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/openmoko/build$ bitbake -crebuild gsm0710muxd NOTE: Removed the following variables from the environment:GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID,LESSOPEN,WINDOWPATH,SHLVL,WINDOWID,OMDIR,GDM_XSERVER_LOCATION,PYTHONPATH,GDMSESSION,LESSCLOSE,OLDPWD,GDM_LANG,HISTCONTROL,LS_COLORS NOTE: Handling BitBake files: | (5436/5436) [100 %] NOTE: Parsing finished. 5201 cached, 0 parsed, 235 skipped, 0 masked. NOTE: Cache is clean, not saving. NOTE: build 200809161432: started OE Build Configuration: BB_VERSION = 1.8.11 OE_REVISION= 5ebb846ca5e7c2b5c5d17e7c5b5b5ce280fe4d80 TARGET_ARCH= arm TARGET_OS = linux-gnueabi MACHINE= om-gta01 DISTRO = openmoko DISTRO_VERSION = P1-Snapshot-20080916 TARGET_FPU = soft NOTE: Resolving any missing task queue dependencies NOTE: preferred version 2.6.1 of glibc not available (for item virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libc-for-gcc) NOTE: Preparing runqueue NOTE: Executing runqueue NOTE: Removing stamps: /home/micha/openmoko/build/tmp/stamps/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gsm0710muxd-0.9.0+svnr193-r0.* NOTE: Running task 717 of 732 (ID: 2, /home/micha/openmoko/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/gsm0710muxd_svn.bb, do_fetch) NOTE: package gsm0710muxd-0.9.0+svnr193: started NOTE: package gsm0710muxd-0.9.0+svnr193-r0: task do_fetch: started NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/gsm0710muxd_projects.linuxtogo.org_.svn.smartphones.trunk.software_193_.tar.gz --14:32:38-- http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/gsm0710muxd_projects.linuxtogo.org_.svn.smartphones.trunk.software_193_.tar.gz = `/home/micha/openmoko/sources/gsm0710muxd_projects.linuxtogo.org_.svn.smartphones.trunk.software_193_.tar.gz' Auflösen des Hostnamen »downloads.openmoko.org« 88.198.93.219 Verbindungsaufbau zu downloads.openmoko.org|88.198.93.219|:80... verbunden. HTTP Anforderung gesendet, warte auf Antwort... 404 Not Found 14:32:38 FEHLER 404: Not Found. NOTE: Fetch svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones/trunk/software;module=gsm0710muxd svn: File not found: revision 298, path '/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd' NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: Fetch command export PATH=/home/micha/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi:/home/micha/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/sbin:/home/micha/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/usr/bin:/home/micha/openmoko/build/tmp/cross/bin:/home/micha/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/sbin:/home/micha/openmoko/bitbake/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:~/hdd/crosstool/buildroot/build_arm/staging_dir/usr/bin/; /usr/bin/env svn co -r 193 svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd gsm0710muxd failed with signal 1, output: svn: File not found: revision 298, path '/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd' NOTE: package gsm0710muxd-0.9.0+svnr193-r0: task do_fetch: failed ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting NOTE: package gsm0710muxd-0.9.0+svnr193: failed ERROR: Build of /home/micha/openmoko/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/gsm0710muxd_svn.bb do_fetch failed ERROR: Task 2 (/home/micha/openmoko/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/gsm0710muxd_svn.bb, do_fetch) failed NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 716 tasks of which 716 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. ERROR: '/home/micha/openmoko/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/gsm0710muxd_svn.bb' failed NOTE: build 200809161432: completed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.8-update) (audio/GSM) alsamixer names
On Tuesday 16 September 2008, Joel Newkirk wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:01:51 +1000, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to suggest different names for the Alsa controls, because quite frankly I cannot relate to the ones I see in alsamixer. But first I'd like to ask you guys if you feel the same need as me. Do you feel comfortable with the present alsa channel names, or would you like them to be clearer? That would be a great deed. The present alsa channel names stink so much that only the bravest of the brave dare to get close to that subsystem. That goes a long way to explain why so far we still do not have the automagical configuration we all would like. Even on my desktop box, by the way, I had to rewire it to my stereo using the analog jack output because I lost the configuration for the coax digital. Minh Renaming them might be useful, but understanding their effects would be better. Agreed. Particularly in the context of writing a GUI interface that would simply let us set levels for speaker/mic for each use-case. :) That doesn't require changing anything in ALSA, just abstracting to more real-world-meaningful names. (EG 'speaker volume - ringer' or 'handset mic level - in-call') The fun bit being that many of these simple real-world actions can involve multiple alsa controls - at least 3 for mic for example. Not hard, but more than a simple renaming exercise. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Build process fails at gsm0710muxd
/home/micha/openmoko/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/gsm0710muxd_svn.b b, do_fetch) That looks like a very old recipe, we switched to git since months. -- :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ASU] Timezone problems
try setting autosetting to: off then edit the other (timezone) fields, and then back to ask or on Heh, thanks. I could have sworn that I tried that a couple of days ago but the fields still remained grayed out so I thought the automatic setting was for automatically setting summer/winter time. This time it worked right away. I don't know if I imagined it or did a software upgrade fix something. I checked the /etc/timezone file as well and it did indeed change, so manually changing that file would have probably worked as well. Thanks again, Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mockup or what else?
I already fiddled round a bit with e17/efl (also on fso) and haven't *really* got into it yet (how the f* do I get data (a string) from python code into the ui?!), but that whole thing looks so promising. Keep that up, raster! -Marcel Am Tuesday 16 September 2008 00:05:27 schrieb David Samblas: I hope we will still seeing you writting here and help us to pimp our Neos as nowadays you only have achived. A really really big hug to you Raster :) El lun, 15-09-2008 a las 22:04 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escribió: From which you also find sad news. :| On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 08:25:43PM +0200, Bumbl wrote: I found this at rasterman.com which is raster's homepage Natanael Arndt wrote: Am Montag, 15. September 2008 schrieb Bumbl: http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-02.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-03.png Are these mockups or where can I obtain this theme. It looks amazingly good. Cool, where did you find this? I only found this: http://52grad.de/.stuff/freerunner/ to pimp your FreeRunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Build process fails at gsm0710muxd
Ok, but I used the latest Makefile from http://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile Like referred in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Building_Openmoko_with_MokoMakefile What should I change to get the things running? Thanks Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: /home/micha/openmoko/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/gsm0710muxd_svn.b b, do_fetch) That looks like a very old recipe, we switched to git since months. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Build process fails at gsm0710muxd
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: /home/micha/openmoko/openembedded/packages/freesmartphone/gsm0710muxd_svn.b b, do_fetch) That looks like a very old recipe, we switched to git since months. I think what's happening here is that task-openmoko-feeds has not been built lately on the Oenmoko servers, and holds some out of date entries in it in the openmoko git repo. Someone at OM needs to make sure that task-openmoko-feeds builds for org.openmoko.asu.stable and org.openmoko.dev ... -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qtopia and VOIP
I rebuilded Qtopia with -voip for the freerunner, but i cannot see settings-voip. Any hint? Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Google Android
abatrour wrote: Many news sources state it is being released on September 23rd. I watched one video on youtube where they showed it on test hardware running a 300mhz cpu and it ran very smooth. I'm excited to see how it will run on the Free Runners when its ported over to arm4. Who knows... We need the source files! I don't know if the 300Mhz cpu you saw in action can be compared with the one of the Freerunner, since that one was surely using a newer arch. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: /space/fic/openmoko-daily/...?
Joel Newkirk wrote: Odd. I'm building (cross-compile toolchain) wireshark/tshark, and encountered the error: /bin/sed: can't read /space/fic/openmoko-daily/openmoko/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/glib-2.0-2.16.4-r0/glib-2.16.4/glib/libglib-2.0.la: No such file or directory Where is this reference coming from? I see it in config.log when I grep around for /space/ - the following line to be specific: Read the Toolchain wiki page in the troubleshooting section! There's a fix. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Screen shot failure?
Aborts with some message about not being able to convert the png CREATOR field to an ISO charset. Anybody know the solution to this one? -- Iain B. Findleton Tel: 514-457-0744 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wesnoth
Martin Šenkeřík wrote: Info about running Wesnoth on FreeRunner can be found here: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5t=22124start=0st=0sk=tsd=a Cool. I've mirrored the files in my space [uploading right now]: http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OT] Copying the iPhone, or what not to do in phone UI design
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Screen shot failure?
Iain B. Findleton wrote: Aborts with some message about not being able to convert the png CREATOR field to an ISO charset. Anybody know the solution to this one? google is your friend ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Screen shot failure?
Hardly. Its the screen shot application on the GTA-02 that fails with this message. I know what the png field actually is. My question is whether there is a fix or configuration requirement for my FreeRunner. Dale Maggee wrote: Iain B. Findleton wrote: Aborts with some message about not being able to convert the png CREATOR field to an ISO charset. Anybody know the solution to this one? google is your friend ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Iain B. Findleton Tel: 514-457-0744 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia and VOIP
Am Tuesday 16 September 2008 16:49:38 schrieb Nicola Mfb: I rebuilded Qtopia with -voip for the freerunner, but i cannot see settings-voip. Any hint? Nicola The voip option was taken out after 4.3.1 so it's not more available in 4.3.2 or 4.3.3. On the ML i've read the voip was obsolent Alex ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM and such
David Samblas a écrit : If it helps you , while auto suspend/resume has this issues I have disabled the auto suspend and only enable the blank screen, I supend it manually trough the power button and I have no problem at all, it wakes up on calls, and when I push the power button again. I had to say I has a testing distro on the sdcard and any version of 2008.08-updates or FDOM has corrupted it I So you are running FDOM from the SD-card? This could be a hint as of why it doesn't work here while it does work with you... Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Startup/Xstart image replacement (How to remove the boots?!)
Wasn't that info already in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen ? Citando Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le mardi 16 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : That is the u-boot splash image that is on its own partition, not the kernel's bootsplash or x-start-splash. True enough. I tried to clarify this on the wiki at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Themes -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia and VOIP
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Alexander Syring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Tuesday 16 September 2008 16:49:38 schrieb Nicola Mfb: I rebuilded Qtopia with -voip for the freerunner, but i cannot see settings-voip. Any hint? Nicola The voip option was taken out after 4.3.1 so it's not more available in 4.3.2 or 4.3.3. On the ML i've read the voip was obsolent Alex What a pity!, it would be nice to have gsm/voip dialer integrated in the same application. Thanks Alex for the information, src/html tree should be cleaned :) Are there other voip clients suitable for the freerunner? (for x11 too?) regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sending SMS: python
I all. I'm looking for a common method to send SMS using python on the ASU release. Is the example of the SMSTool good or deprecated? I also read about pygsmd but seems unsupported. Other suggestion really welcome! -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mockup or what else?
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:06:32 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:13:39 +0200 Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-02.png http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-03.png Are these mockups or where can I obtain this theme. It looks amazingly good. i don't do mockups... :) they pollute! :) it's real. ignore the clock and its background - that's just a test app i wrote (called Ello). i'm in the middle of doing illume extensions to e17's nw default theme. Woow! That's really amazing... Rasterman you're always the only who can make us dreaming even more. don't think it's amazing. :) it's just using the power already lurking under the hood there with edje etc. i generally code things to have much more power than is apparent - with simple changes of configuration/data files. i like to do it this way because i know most people are not coders. they should not rely on programmers to just be able to change a look and feel. this is something i prefer to put into the hands of users as much as possible. sometimes it complicates a lot of things - but in the end, it is worth it. i'm just using the power already there. you can too! there's a toango theme which is also doing it! e (and also illume) are built in a way where this can be flexible and right now in om's asu (2008.08) you're relatively limited. you can change theme. e does have a whole config profile system where you can quickly change the entire setup to a previously stored profile you have with an instant flip. i've started using them more heavily in some last changes i made to asu (2008.08/on to 2008.09) and fso - so they use asu and fso profiles respectively. anyway... there needs to be work on the ui look and feel to make it at least out of the box impressive enough to have people drool and go i want me some of that open source stuff there! Btw I didn't read before the bad news about leaving Openmoko [1]... This made me really so much sad. Reading your latest mail I figured that your relationship with Om was not going so well (didn't they leave you enough space of developing how and what you'd have liked?), but I really hoped that this wouldn't ever happen... :( Now that enlightenment is so important for Openmoko, what will be our future? Since the main E developer isn't anymore part of Openmoko, its development won't be anymore Om-focussed; then Rasterman in the near future could be occupied in other things, so his interest for e-embedded could decrease and with it also the quality of the software that we'll use. it'll be focused on what i want. trust me - been quietly preparing for embedded for many years - and it still interests me a lot. i will be doing stuff - but pretty much on my own terms as to what i see is right. what i see as right of course is heavily influenced by what users want and need and say they have problems with - i generally would take that and digest it into an acceptable technical solution in the end. it isn't always perfect - it's hard to be. but you can give it a good go and try and get a lot of the way there. users are also not just nerds.. they are also what would my grandmother do? general questions. try and cover both groups - make it an option. options come in many varieties. sometimes its better as an installable app/package, sometimes it just takes too much work to do that, sometimes its better as a runtime option, sometimes as something else. sometimes you can do it both ways and not make it bad for either group (keep everyone happy) :). i generally prefer runtime options u do not need to install - if they come at pretty much no extra cost. no magic packages to find or be told about. just browse the config options (in advanced mode) and fiddle until it does what you want :) However there's another question to Openmoko: another important developer left openmoko; unfortunately he's not the first of the list. Why this happens so often? In every message I've read about, it's always stated that there's no so much openness as it should be. This won't to be a flame, but we all know how people like Rasterman are important for the project. I can't really understand how we can throw those opportunities away... what's about that clock is this a widget or what is it it would be cool if had something like openmoko-today - bugs for fso / e and illume ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sending SMS: python
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For such things I would redirect you to FSO which has the dbus framework, but I doubt the frameworkd being available for 2008.8... I don't really understand what FSO is, sorry! So there's no way to do this? As I read now the use of gsmd and gsmd-tool is for 2007.xx only, not qtopia (the wiki say that things can conflict). The SMSTool use this way as I see looking in the code. BTW: Since you're addressing especially at Om2008.8, please prefix your topic with [2008.8] :) thanks, am a newbie poster here! -- -- luca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sending SMS: python
Am Tuesday 16 September 2008 20:54:30 schrieb Luca: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For such things I would redirect you to FSO which has the dbus framework, but I doubt the frameworkd being available for 2008.8... I don't really understand what FSO is, sorry! So there's no way to do this? As I read now the use of gsmd and gsmd-tool is for 2007.xx only, not qtopia (the wiki say that things can conflict). The SMSTool use this way as I see looking in the code. I don't know about the situation on the other stacks, but FSO (freesmartphone.org) is a project to imlement the fso specifications of an API for access to the device's hardware. Maybe you can somehow interface with qpe which seems to be a central control daemon in qtopia... BTW: Since you're addressing especially at Om2008.8, please prefix your topic with [2008.8] :) thanks, am a newbie poster here! It's not because you are newbie (I wouldn't even have noticed that), but a few days ago some people got to the conclusion that it would be nice to at least tag threads with the addressed distribution to make client-side filtering possible, since this list has quite much traffic. Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia and VOIP
Nicola Mfb wrote: I rebuilded Qtopia with -voip for the freerunner, but i cannot see settings-voip. Any hint? Sorry, voip had to be removed from Qtopia. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia and VOIP
2008/9/16 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry, voip had to be removed from Qtopia. Something to do with Nokia's wider commercial interests/partnerships? Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Startup/Xstart image replacement (How to remove the boots?!)
Minh Ha Duong wrote: Le mardi 16 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Wasn't that info already in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen ? Yes. The wiki is not searchable and findable enough, both Shawn and I missed that page. Minh Minh, I saw that page and flashed a new image to the u-boot's splash but I cannot find how to rid my phone of the boots and make my own. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Screen shot failure?
Iain B. Findleton wrote: Aborts with some message about not being able to convert the png CREATOR field to an ISO charset. Anybody know the solution to this one? I have just taken a screenshot (for a bug report), using the methods described on the Wiki page. The only snag is that fb2png is not avalable for Ubuntu, but you can download the rpm and extract the binary with alien Steps are: cat /dev/fb0 myscreenshot_001.raw copy to your desktop b2png myscreenshot_001.raw myscreenshot_001.png 9 480 640 16 -- David Pottage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FDOM -- Gestures program not working?
In the latest (20080913) FDOM, it comes with a Gestures program; but I haven't been able to get it to train any gestures. Is anyone else seeing this problem? Anyone know the root cause (or a fix?) I can choose an item, and it will ask me to make the gesture, but no matter how much I shake it, it will not respond. -- Kelvie Wong ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM -- Gestures program not working?
Kelvie Wong wrote: In the latest (20080913) FDOM, it comes with a Gestures program; but I haven't been able to get it to train any gestures. Is anyone else seeing this problem? Anyone know the root cause (or a fix?) I can choose an item, and it will ask me to make the gesture, but no matter how much I shake it, it will not respond. Take a look at the gestures page on the wiki, you have to manually start the gestures daemons from what I remember. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia and VOIP
On Tuesday 16 September 2008, Nicola Mfb wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Alexander Syring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Tuesday 16 September 2008 16:49:38 schrieb Nicola Mfb: I rebuilded Qtopia with -voip for the freerunner, but i cannot see settings-voip. Any hint? Nicola The voip option was taken out after 4.3.1 so it's not more available in 4.3.2 or 4.3.3. On the ML i've read the voip was obsolent Alex What a pity!, it would be nice to have gsm/voip dialer integrated in the same application. Thanks Alex for the information, src/html tree should be cleaned :) Are there other voip clients suitable for the freerunner? (for x11 too?) I've used the CLI version of linphone, but the GUI should be small enough to fit in 480x640 too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Mockup or what else?
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:46:44 +0200 Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: what's about that clock is this a widget or what is it it would be cool if had something like openmoko-today - bugs for fso / e and illume as i said above. the clock and its bg is just a test app i have. nothing more. in fact the clock is just an edje object. e17 already can put arbitrary gadgets on the desktop (the gadman module) and e17's own clock could just use this edje theme design and be put there - as with gsm signal or wifi or the calendar module... or anything else that already exists. but this module is not enabled in 2008.08 or used and none of e17's gui is exposed for you to go add more modules. (om didnt want any of e's config to be exposed other than via their own python exposure). if you use FSO ro FDOM you can use the wrench to get to e's modules config - but it's not going to fit on the screen or be usable (as this was not a desired for OM to have in ASU, so i didnt make any effort to make it able to be adapted to the screen). i'll be fixing this up in future for FSO etc. just have other things more important on my time right now. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Freerunner in Taiwan?
Hi. I'll in Taiwan in 2 weeks and I'm wondering if I can get a Freerunner there. I know there were a thread about this here but I can't seem to find it in the archives so excuse me if I'm repeating it. []s Adilson. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Linux phone gets datacasts
Natanael Arndt wrote: I have just found this: LinuxDevices.com: Open Linux phone gets datacasts (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6565189083.html) be blessed Natanael I contacted the company to see if they will make available the plastic body extension separately. My thought was to use the extra space for a larger battery, I'm sure other projects could also benefit. No response yet. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Open-Linux-phone-gets-datacasts-tp1080998p1093996.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Extended battery pack
Daniel Grivicic wrote: You may want to try this too: http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ enmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Apparently it's been used successfully with a Freerunner and even has software written to boost the charge rate and create a desktop icon: http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/mintyboost/ -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Extended-battery-pack-tp737284p1094029.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia and VOIP
2008/9/16 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry, voip had to be removed from Qtopia. Something to do with Nokia's wider commercial interests/partnerships? No, something to do with Nokia's more vigilant attorneys. Hi lorn, what other features have been removed or are under threat since Nokia joined the table?[question suitable for a software engineer...] why do Nokia view VOIP as legally dodgy? [question not suitable for a software engineer but still relevant to Qtopia's status within the FOSS community so perhaps one of your lawyers could answer?] JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
What are the correct minicom settings? - Ive tried almost every combination without any effect - yes Ive powered on the chip before entering minicom! BillK On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 20:15 +0800, Erin Yueh wrote: William Kenworthy wrote: Thanks. I also found you can run the daemon in verbose mode on the command line. Doesnt appear to be asking to register. I dont have a pin set, so have just set it in my Treo to see if that is the problem. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:51 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2008, W.Kenworthy wrote: I am having a problem registering anything ASU/FSO based with the Australian Vodafone GSM network. Its not the SIM card but ASU/FSO as 2007.2 works fine. I also believe that other Aussies are having the same problem. I found some pages describing how to manually talk to the GSM chip, but they are 2007 based and dont work for me. Is there anything on how to talk to the GSM chip (mimicom?) on the wiki? mickeyterm in FSO gives you a connection to the GSM chip to run AT commands. Are the connect commands built into the GSM daemon, or in a config file somewhere they can be checked/modded? BillK You still can use 'cu', 'socat' or 'minicom' to connect to GSM modem directly. If you use '2007.02', you can read gsmd log. If you use '2008.08', use 'logread' to see the log information from GSM modem. Check what CME or CMS error code you have. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Cheers, Erin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What packages have cu and socat?
What packages have cu and socat? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Screen shot failure?
Iain B. Findleton wrote: Hardly. Its the screen shot application on the GTA-02 that fails with this message. I know what the png field actually is. My question is whether there is a fix or configuration requirement for my FreeRunner. yes there is, and if you type the error message into google, you'll find it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Extended battery pack
nicklogan wrote: Daniel Grivicic wrote: You may want to try this too: http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ enmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Apparently it's been used successfully with a Freerunner and even has software written to boost the charge rate and create a desktop icon: http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/mintyboost/ Ga! Did I forgot to send that to the community list? Sorry! I will go stand in the corner now... -stacy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What packages have cu and socat?
2008/9/17 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What packages have cu and socat? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader (cu is in the taylor-uucp package, use apt-get install cu if it is not yet installed) the taylor-uucp package is in gentoo portage, and possibly in whatever repository you are using (though i cant be sure). if not im sure google can help you get it. i dont know about the other program though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia and VOIP
JW wrote: 2008/9/16 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry, voip had to be removed from Qtopia. Something to do with Nokia's wider commercial interests/partnerships? No, something to do with Nokia's more vigilant attorneys. Hi lorn, what other features have been removed or are under threat since Nokia joined the table?[question suitable for a software engineer...] why do Nokia view VOIP as legally dodgy? [question not suitable for a software engineer but still relevant to Qtopia's status within the FOSS community so perhaps one of your lawyers could answer?] It's not voip itself they think is dodgy. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=51 We are looking at other voip/sip stacks for future integration, to replace the missing one. Like they say, 'back to the drawing board'. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] Copying the iPhone, or what not to do in phone UI design
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 01:33:23 Nishit Dave wrote: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone Hah, nice :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote: I'm on the Aussie Vodafone network, using an old sim card I've had for *many* years (it's red and labelled sim^2 [i.e sim squared]), and FSO3 works fine for me, although sometimes it takes a little while to prompt for my PIN. as for ASU I can't be sure - the last time I tested it it registered, but again took a while, but It only lasted maybe 2 reboots before it got reverted back to 2007.2 again. I own a gta02v5. I'm on Vodafone too, newer card, Vodafone logo with 'if found call' blah blah. Never had a problem. I triboot qtopia (updated against testing), om2008 (updated against testing) and FSO milestone 3 (not sure where to update - tried testing :) and all do what I'd expect. I have a pin set. Sorry, not much I can offer. One thought comes to mind though, out of all the providers I've had, Vodafone seems to have the lowest signal strength. I used to think it was my ipaq but it is the same with the FR. Maybe 2007 is driving it harder? That's about all I can think of. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What packages have cu and socat?
Unfortunately, I need the OM2008.8 pkg. I installed uucp and it doesnt contain cu. minicom doesnt work (or I have not hit on the right settings - doesnt seem to be documented anywhere!), cant find cu/socat ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cu -sh: cu: not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg list|grep uucp uucp - 1.07-r2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg files uucp Package uucp (1.07-r2) is installed on root and has the following files: /usr/sbin/uucico /usr/bin/uux /usr/bin/uupick /usr/bin/uuto /usr/sbin/uuxqt /usr/bin/uustat /usr/sbin/uuchk /usr/bin/uucp /usr/sbin/uuconv /usr/bin/uuname /usr/bin/uulog /usr/sbin/uusched [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# BillK On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 11:01 +1000, Neil Caldwell wrote: 2008/9/17 W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What packages have cu and socat? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader (cu is in the taylor-uucp package, use apt-get install cu if it is not yet installed) the taylor-uucp package is in gentoo portage, and possibly in whatever repository you are using (though i cant be sure). if not im sure google can help you get it. i dont know about the other program though. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
I set a pin but it only asked for it once(still no connection), and never again. I deleted 2007.2 so cant test it with that anymore, howver everything works as expected on my Treo. BillK On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote: I'm on the Aussie Vodafone network, using an old sim card I've had for *many* years (it's red and labelled sim^2 [i.e sim squared]), and FSO3 works fine for me, although sometimes it takes a little while to prompt for my PIN. as for ASU I can't be sure - the last time I tested it it registered, but again took a while, but It only lasted maybe 2 reboots before it got reverted back to 2007.2 again. I own a gta02v5. I'm on Vodafone too, newer card, Vodafone logo with 'if found call' blah blah. Never had a problem. I triboot qtopia (updated against testing), om2008 (updated against testing) and FSO milestone 3 (not sure where to update - tried testing :) and all do what I'd expect. I have a pin set. Sorry, not much I can offer. One thought comes to mind though, out of all the providers I've had, Vodafone seems to have the lowest signal strength. I used to think it was my ipaq but it is the same with the FR. Maybe 2007 is driving it harder? That's about all I can think of. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
Query - is there anything you do to get the pin dialog up? Have the dialler onscreen? - or just let it boot and it comes up automaticly? Billk On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote: I'm on the Aussie Vodafone network, using an old sim card I've had for *many* years (it's red and labelled sim^2 [i.e sim squared]), and FSO3 works fine for me, although sometimes it takes a little while to prompt for my PIN. as for ASU I can't be sure - the last time I tested it it registered, but again took a while, but It only lasted maybe 2 reboots before it got reverted back to 2007.2 again. I own a gta02v5. I'm on Vodafone too, newer card, Vodafone logo with 'if found call' blah blah. Never had a problem. I triboot qtopia (updated against testing), om2008 (updated against testing) and FSO milestone 3 (not sure where to update - tried testing :) and all do what I'd expect. I have a pin set. Sorry, not much I can offer. One thought comes to mind though, out of all the providers I've had, Vodafone seems to have the lowest signal strength. I used to think it was my ipaq but it is the same with the FR. Maybe 2007 is driving it harder? That's about all I can think of. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 12:48:05 W.Kenworthy wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote: I'm on the Aussie Vodafone network, using an old sim card I've had for *many* years (it's red and labelled sim^2 [i.e sim squared]), and FSO3 works fine for me, although sometimes it takes a little while to prompt for my PIN. as for ASU I can't be sure - the last time I tested it it registered, but again took a while, but It only lasted maybe 2 reboots before it got reverted back to 2007.2 again. I own a gta02v5. I'm on Vodafone too, newer card, Vodafone logo with 'if found call' blah blah. Never had a problem. I triboot qtopia (updated against testing), om2008 (updated against testing) and FSO milestone 3 (not sure where to update - tried testing :) and all do what I'd expect. I have a pin set. Sorry, not much I can offer. One thought comes to mind though, out of all the providers I've had, Vodafone seems to have the lowest signal strength. I used to think it was my ipaq but it is the same with the FR. Maybe 2007 is driving it harder? That's about all I can think of. I set a pin but it only asked for it once(still no connection), and never again. I deleted 2007.2 so cant test it with that anymore, howver everything works as expected on my Treo. Hmmm, hence why I suggest the antenna power output/sensitivity. I'm sure you've thought of this ... but have you tried another sim? Have a friend on telstra, a coworker on optus? Even if the sim is fine it will help eliminate carrier signal strength. Oh and as we are all supposedly enforcing mailling list rules now, please don't top post. Well done on the subject btw ;) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:00:31 W.Kenworthy wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote: I'm on the Aussie Vodafone network, using an old sim card I've had for *many* years (it's red and labelled sim^2 [i.e sim squared]), and FSO3 works fine for me, although sometimes it takes a little while to prompt for my PIN. as for ASU I can't be sure - the last time I tested it it registered, but again took a while, but It only lasted maybe 2 reboots before it got reverted back to 2007.2 again. I own a gta02v5. I'm on Vodafone too, newer card, Vodafone logo with 'if found call' blah blah. Never had a problem. I triboot qtopia (updated against testing), om2008 (updated against testing) and FSO milestone 3 (not sure where to update - tried testing :) and all do what I'd expect. I have a pin set. Sorry, not much I can offer. One thought comes to mind though, out of all the providers I've had, Vodafone seems to have the lowest signal strength. I used to think it was my ipaq but it is the same with the FR. Maybe 2007 is driving it harder? That's about all I can think of. Query - is there anything you do to get the pin dialog up? Have the dialler onscreen? - or just let it boot and it comes up automaticly? It coincides with starting X. Usually a /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart is enough (or qpe restart?). I'm not sure if it will reprompt if the pin has already been entered successfully however. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 13:06 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2008 12:48:05 W.Kenworthy wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: Oh and as we are all supposedly enforcing mailling list rules now, please don't top post. Well done on the subject btw ;) As I stated initially, the sim works fine on 2007.2 - its only on FSO/FDOM/2008.8 where I am having the problem. I have tried another, few month old vodafone sim with the same results as my many years old one (under FDOM) Please dont bottom post unless willing to trim the mail - I waste such a lot of time scrolling its really frustrating - to the point I often never read bottom posters. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 13:11 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:00:31 W.Kenworthy wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote: ... Query - is there anything you do to get the pin dialog up? Have the dialler onscreen? - or just let it boot and it comes up automaticly? It coincides with starting X. Usually a /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart is enough (or qpe restart?). I'm not sure if it will reprompt if the pin has already been entered successfully however. Sarton Good hint! - restarting X and it asked for the sim (why doesnt it ask on bootup?) And I was able to connect and check voicemail! So at least its usable, now I have to figure out where the problem is. Thanks everyone for putting me on the right track (set pin, restart X). BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kernel Build without OE tools
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi, | | I am also trying to build the kernel the old fashioned way. So I did : | | git clone git://git.openmoko.org/git/kernel.git linux-2.6 | cd linux-2.6 | git checkout origin/stable | | and now I did some of my custom patching but then at the point of | doing make I got stuck on the variable CROSS_COMPILE=? and ARCH=? | | Normally, when building generic arm kernel for qemu I used to do | | #make vmlinux CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux ARCH=arm Have a look in the ./build script in our kernel sources. Basically you need to download the toolchain tarball http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain to get the cross compilers down /usr/local/openmoko, and edit export CROSS_COMPILE=/usr/local/openmoko/arm/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- Thanx for the tips andy. I am compiling the kernel with toolchain rather than OE and when I start the make process my custom .config is over written and thus my appended CONFIG_X are not built into the kernel. I checked during the make process and my CONFIG_X were missing from .config! How can this behavior be controlled? in ./build. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjOClcACgkQOjLpvpq7dMpwvwCfQOKk6PaaeaC2kkaea9hre7KM y2gAn2FMciX08kpJNwovW2YkeXR+PhY2 =Yb2g -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Shaz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:56:26 W.Kenworthy wrote: As I stated initially, the sim works fine on 2007.2 - its only on FSO/FDOM/2008.8 where I am having the problem. I have tried another, few month old vodafone sim with the same results as my many years old one (under FDOM) You seemed to have missed my point completely, unless you can be sure that everything other than 2007 is driving the hardware exactly the same. I'd still recommend a provider other than vodafone for testing. Please dont bottom post unless willing to trim the mail - I waste such a lot of time scrolling its really frustrating - to the point I often never read bottom posters. It's not about your convenience as it is to be able to see the final email in an archive and derive the entire conversation. If you mean 'trim irrelevant information' than I will agree with you. Trying to enforce your own conventions to merely make a point won't fly. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO/ASU not registering on the Australian Vodafone GSM network
W.Kenworthy wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 13:11 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Wednesday 17 September 2008 13:00:31 W.Kenworthy wrote: On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:37 +1000, Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2008 19:22:59 Dale Maggee wrote: ... Query - is there anything you do to get the pin dialog up? Have the dialler onscreen? - or just let it boot and it comes up automaticly? It coincides with starting X. Usually a /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart is enough (or qpe restart?). I'm not sure if it will reprompt if the pin has already been entered successfully however. Sarton Good hint! - restarting X and it asked for the sim (why doesnt it ask on bootup?) might be because the Calypso modem in the FR is very slow to wake up and respond to initial commands. As well, it tends to fall asleep. And I was able to connect and check voicemail! So at least its usable, now I have to figure out where the problem is. Thanks everyone for putting me on the right track (set pin, restart X). BillK -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FDOM 080909] - Suspend not working
Hello list, I'm trying to get my phone into suspend mode, and out of it. But for the moment it seems it doesn't even get into it. If I ssh into it and do # apm --suspend the log (in /var/log/messages) shows me: Sep 17 06:41:19 om-gta02 daemon.notice apmd[1343]: Suspending now Sep 17 06:41:19 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 0 Sep 17 06:41:20 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 Sep 17 06:41:21 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,0402 Sep 17 06:41:23 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 20, 99, 2 Sep 17 06:41:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,03FD Sep 17 06:41:37 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 15, 99, 1 Sep 17 06:41:57 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,03FF Sep 17 06:42:05 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 18, 99, 2 Sep 17 06:42:29 om-gta02 authpriv.info dropbear[1615]: Child connection from 192.168.0.200:50413 Sep 17 06:42:31 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 Sep 17 06:42:31 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 0 Sep 17 06:42:34 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,0402 Sep 17 06:42:36 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 20, 99, 2 Sep 17 06:42:52 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 99, 99, 0 Sep 17 06:42:52 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 0 Sep 17 06:42:55 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : +CREG: 1,0064,0402 Sep 17 06:42:57 om-gta02 user.notice root: AtChat : N : %CSQ: 20, 99, 2 Which seems to me like the modem doesn't want to go into suspend-mode. Does anybody have any clue? The kernel is # uname -a Linux om-gta02 2.6.24 #1 PREEMPT Wed Sep 3 19:01:18 CST 2008 armv4tl unknown Thanks for any help that doesn't include download newest FDOM, as internet is expensive and very slow here... Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
