Re: OpenMoko != Neo1973 (Was: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics))

2007-06-13 Thread Bryan Larsen
Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Dnia środa, 13 czerwca 2007, Werner Almesberger napisał: Shawn Rutledge wrote: What is your favorite hardware and software for doing this? We use our own debug board. You need a special flexible cable to connect to JTAG (*), and our board has the corresponding conne

Re: wiki write access limited

2007-06-13 Thread Mischa Beitz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joachim et al. Might I suggest . . . http://www.recaptcha.org Stops those pesky bots and helps archive.org at the same time. I use it on my Drupal site and it's cut the bot comments, etc. to zip. mischa Joachim Steiger wrote: > due to a lot of sp

Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

2007-06-13 Thread Ortwin Regel
I agree. Different needs should be addressed in different products, not everything put into one device. I understand people wanting an OpenMoko keyboard phone. I don't have any real use for buttons on a touchscreen phone, though. (Other than for gaming.) Ortwin On 6/11/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL P

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-13 Thread Ortwin Regel
On 6/13/07, Lars Hallberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: And for games... Think flipper with tilt :-) Come on, be more creative than that! I try to be: http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=13365 (The Neo1973 GTA-02 probably won't have the rotation sensor, though.) Ortwi

Re: wiki write access limited

2007-06-13 Thread Ian Darwin
Joachim Steiger wrote: due to a lot of spam/edits by bots we now have limited the write access to users who have registered a working email-address. were sorry for that. A pretty obvious step, that most Wikis have taken or will soon. The last few will probably be forced to (or shut down) by the

Re: OpenMoko != Neo1973 (Was: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics))

2007-06-13 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On 6/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's all on the wiki. I beleive there is a page describing how to download and set up the debugger. It's standard gdb (for ARM of course) with the appropriate software (drivers?) for the Neo/USB interface card. I think the USB port shows up

Re: OpenMoko != Neo1973 (Was: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics))

2007-06-13 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia środa, 13 czerwca 2007, Werner Almesberger napisał: > Shawn Rutledge wrote: > > What is your favorite hardware and software for doing this? > > We use our own debug board. You need a special flexible cable to > connect to JTAG (*), and our board has the corresponding connector. Debug board h

wiki write access limited

2007-06-13 Thread Joachim Steiger
due to a lot of spam/edits by bots we now have limited the write access to users who have registered a working email-address. were sorry for that. please report when there are any new bugs due to this. regards -- roh ___ OpenMoko community mailing li

Re: Open Moko Themes

2007-06-13 Thread Tim Newsom
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:15, John Seghers wrote: Tim Newsom wrote As I understand it, you would not even need to build a different svg file. You could use the same one and it could automatically scale because the engine would scale it.. It should be possible (in my mind) to take a layout

Re: OpenMoko != Neo1973 (Was: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics))

2007-06-13 Thread michael
JTAG is basically a way to inspect and/or set each and every register on the processor, not only the registers you're familiar with from a programmer's point of view, but also registers that might hold the state of input and output pins, etc. Also since you can control each register and single ste

Re: @Sean: please check off

2007-06-13 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
C'mon guys! If Sean could answered us, he surely would. Apparently, he can't make any public statement yet... cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

RE: Open Moko Themes

2007-06-13 Thread John Seghers
Tim Newsom wrote > As I understand it, you would not even need to build a different svg > file. You could use the same one and it could automatically scale > because the engine would scale it.. It should be possible (in my mind) > to take a layout for 320 x 240 and draw it perfectly at 648 x 480.

Re: OpenMoko != Neo1973 (Was: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics))

2007-06-13 Thread Werner Almesberger
Shawn Rutledge wrote: > used for "system exploration" when there are multiple devices on the > bus. We only have the Samsung MCU in the JTAG chain. > What is your favorite hardware and software for doing this? We use our own debug board. You need a special flexible cable to connect to JTAG (*),

Re: OpenMoko != Neo1973 (Was: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics))

2007-06-13 Thread Shawn Rutledge
Would you post more details about this please? I have used JTAG for programming Atmel micros but am not yet very familiar with how it is used for "system exploration" when there are multiple devices on the bus. What is your favorite hardware and software for doing this? On 6/12/07, [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [openmoko-announce] Some light ahead...

2007-06-13 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 21:28, Ivan -sk8- Chavero wrote: > Hello, > > I want to start developing apps for openmoko but i haven't being able to > find any tools for that. i have browsed the wiki, projects and the other > sections of the website and no luck. Instructions for building the full dev en

Re: [openmoko-announce] Some light ahead...

2007-06-13 Thread Steven **
Have you already find the MokoMakefile? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile -Steven On 6/12/07, Ivan -sk8- Chavero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I want to start developing apps for openmoko but i haven't being able to find any tools for that. i have browsed the wiki, projects and t

Re: Open Moko Themes

2007-06-13 Thread Andre Schmidt
i would exchange 3D hardware support in Neo for OpenVG hardware support anytime! that way we could use SVG (or such) for everything, windows, buttons, etc... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openvg .andre p.s. or atleast Cairo (or similar) with OpenGL to accelerate vector graphics, as 3D in 2D scree

Re: Open Moko Themes

2007-06-13 Thread Tim Newsom
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 7:08, Emre Turkay wrote: On 6/13/07, Peter A Trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If the application is then used on a different form factor device you can simply produce a new SVG file. All the UI script and images are linked to the SVG. This also gives us a nice separatio

Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

2007-06-13 Thread Matthew S. Hamrick
Duncan... Let me just add to what Sudharshan said... There is a stunning amount of variability in the mobile device supply chain. I used to work for Gibson Musical Instruments, where we were designing what was effectively a custom PDA (don't ask.) There were several delays, including abou

Re: [openmoko-announce] Some light ahead...

2007-06-13 Thread Ivan -sk8- Chavero
Hello, I want to start developing apps for openmoko but i haven't being able to find any tools for that. i have browsed the wiki, projects and the other sections of the website and no luck. I'm interested on developing some thin client apps on the openmoko framework as a proof of concept for

Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

2007-06-13 Thread Sudharshan S
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 09:26 -0400, Duncan Hudson wrote: > In all honesty, has there ever been a really clear statement about this > device? I'm beginning to feel (as was eluded to in others' posts months > ago) that this is vaporware, and that we are just being strung along. > Flame me all

Re: Open Moko Themes

2007-06-13 Thread Emre Turkay
On 6/13/07, Peter A Trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If the application is then used on a different form factor device you can simply produce a new SVG file. All the UI script and images are linked to the SVG. This also gives us a nice separation of people who are good at making things look go

Re: Open Moko Themes

2007-06-13 Thread Tim Newsom
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 4:52, Buddy wrote: On 6/13/07, Emre Turkay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/12/07, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is where XAML or XUL are particularly suited. The idea is that the UI will be mostly svg commands or in some cases images.. But rendered completel

Announce list

2007-06-13 Thread Hans van der Merwe
I see the last official announcement was made 25th of April. I really dont want to start this whole thing again, BUT, can we please get another update? Even if its just, "we dont know when" answer. Thanks E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm ___

Re: R: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-13 Thread Peter A Trotter
On 13/06/07, Michele Manzato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John Seghers Wrote: > Jonathon Suggs wrote > > There will always be complainers, that is just life...ignore them. > > It is, indeed, the complainers that I was commenting on. The one > that I quoted was complaining that stuff was being hidd

Re: Open Moko Themes

2007-06-13 Thread Florent THIERY
I was fingering SVG as a potential candidate to entirely separate the application UI from the back end (html/ajax has been suggested elsewhere but I think SVG would be far better) What about cairo then ? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@l

Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

2007-06-13 Thread Duncan Hudson
denis wrote: That is something I would like to know as well. The statement ist not really clear and seems to be very misterious. I don't know. In all honesty, has there ever been a really clear statement about this device? I'm beginning to feel (as was eluded to in others' posts months ago)

Re: Open Moko Themes

2007-06-13 Thread Peter A Trotter
On 13/06/07, Buddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/13/07, Emre Turkay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/12/07, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is where XAML or XUL are particularly suited. > > The idea is that the UI will be mostly svg commands or in some cases > > images.. But re

First hands on with the Asus-Intel sub 200$ ultra notebook and it's Linux OS

2007-06-13 Thread Florent THIERY
Hi; talking embedded interfaces: Check it out http://www.hothardware.com/articles/Hands_on_with_the_ASUS_Eee/?page=2 Two modes: * beginner: boasting a trivial but interesting GUI * advanced: something that looks like KDE Nothing revolutionary i guess, but yet another example. Hope they'll rele

Re: Open Moko Themes

2007-06-13 Thread Buddy
On 6/13/07, Emre Turkay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/12/07, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is where XAML or XUL are particularly suited. > The idea is that the UI will be mostly svg commands or in some cases > images.. But rendered completely by the engine. Look up what you get

Re: Open Moko Themes

2007-06-13 Thread Emre Turkay
On 6/12/07, Tim Newsom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is where XAML or XUL are particularly suited. The idea is that the UI will be mostly svg commands or in some cases images.. But rendered completely by the engine. Look up what you get Loading the burden of SVG rendering to the run-time, fo

@Sean: please check off

2007-06-13 Thread Sven Neuhaus
It all boils down to ==8<==8> [ ] Hello Did i mention [ ] you may *now* preorder GTA01 units :-) [ ] we expect you'll be able to preorder GTA01 units in [ ] June [ ] July [ ] August [ ] some time later [ ] we are only making a few GTA01 uni

Re: Home Brew StarTrek Communicator

2007-06-13 Thread Emre Turkay
On 6/12/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Using really good coding, in good channel conditions, you may get 20 megabytes a second. Actually 10 MBits/sec = 1.25 MBytes/sec ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http

R: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-13 Thread Michele Manzato
John Seghers Wrote: > Jonathon Suggs wrote > > There will always be complainers, that is just life...ignore them. > > It is, indeed, the complainers that I was commenting on. The one > that I quoted was complaining that stuff was being hidden from us > because FIC is working on new specs and hasn