Re: Mokomakefile

[Rod Whitby]

Michael Kluge wrote:
> At the risk ob beeing called a parrot I want to ask the same question again:
> 
> Is anyone able to build a 2008.08 image with Mokomakefile?
> 
> This is the third time I am asking this. I really noone interested in this? 
> Did I miss anything and do we now build images a different way?

I'm still waiting for Openmoko to decide which branch they are using, so
I can advise people how to build Om2008.8 properly using MokoMakefile.

It used to be org.openmoko.asu.stable, but then someone from openmoko
said they were going to concentrate on org.openmoko.dev instead.

I wish they would create a document like http://shr.bearstech.com/README
so that *everyone* would know how they build their images and can
replicate them outside of Openmoko.

-- Rod

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Mokomakefile

[Michael Kluge]

At the risk ob beeing called a parrot I want to ask the same question again:

Is anyone able to build a 2008.08 image with Mokomakefile?

This is the third time I am asking this. I really noone interested in this? Did 
I miss anything and do we now build images a different way?


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Re: Any experiences / current limits

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| I'm working on documenting various aspects of our USB port.
|
| We believe that the FreeRunner USB port should be capable of delivering
| the standard USB high current of 500mA. We also believe that we respond
| properly to USB negotiation of this current, up from the minimum of 100mA.

Just to clarify this, we should deliver 500mA OK AFAIK, and there is a
logical restriction of 100mA until the thing plugged in to us is
enumerated by us, but it is not enforced by current limit on our side.
We only have actual 500mA limit at all times.  This is how all hosts I
saw do it, they do not enforce 100mA limit but the "real" 500mA limit.

Separately, when Freerunner is being the device and we are getting power
from a Host, that early 100mA limit is our problem to live up to and we
try to do that.  But for reasons out of our control, from powerup
Freerunner PMU is wrongly configured with 500mA limit for some tens of
ms until the CPU starts and we set it correctly to 100mA.  This brief
breaking of the rules doesn't seem to make trouble with any hosts
AFAICT... likely because they use same 500mA limit only strategy we do
when we are the host.

| I suddenly remembered that someone posted about using a USB keyboard
| that didn't work due to high current. However, the FreeRunner should be
| able to provide exactly as much current as a desktop PC, which I assume
| works with this keyboard.
|
| If any of you have experienced difficulty with the FreeRunner powering
| USB devices, please speak up.

USB keyboard should not be getting anywhere near 500mA, more like 50 -
100mA with the LEDs on, unless it has coffee warmer built in.  So I
would ask how the reporter got from "USB keyboard not working" to
"overcurrent" specifically.  The keyboards are low-speed USB devices,
1.5Mbps instead of 12Mbps, maybe there's something on that side.

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Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer :
> Am Donnerstag 28 August 2008 02:31:13 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño):
>> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
>>> If it doesn't need to be 2008.8, then you might want to give the
>>> frameworkd a try, which has been written for exactly these things. There,
>>> it would be as simple as (python example, but works with all kinds of
>>> languages of course):
>> Is there a way to use this in om2008.8?
> 
> Only if you shut down qpe. In general, qtopiacomm, gpsd, and ogsmd (part of 
> frameworkd) all fight over exclusively using one modem.

I was thinking... An easy implementation also would be something like 
this (and should work in every distro, also if it could be just a 
workaround since it uses more resources for doing something already done 
by others):

while true; do if grep -q RING /dev/ttySAC0; then $COMMANDS; fi; done

BTW, the Hackenberger workardound to make qtopia use gsm0710muxd, should 
help in this too... Isn't it?

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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

[Rod Whitby]

Stroller wrote:
> I thought the "standard" now was unlimited data plans.
...
> You have my sympathies if you're not on an unlimited data plan, Ole,  
> but I would see unlimited data use as the long-term expectation of  
> OpenMoko projects.

Please don't assume that everyone has unlimited data plans.  It is not
as common in many parts of the world as it is in your part of the world.

I expect the IMAP client on my openmoko phone to be able to download all
my email for offline reading, deleting, and replying on the bus with
*no* internet connectivity, and then sync all those changes seamlessly
to the server as soon as I get the next internet connection.

My Treo650 does that today.  Assuming an always-on connection (as
opposed to just taking advantage of one when it is available) is a
backwards step.

-- Rod

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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

[Stroller]

On 29 Aug 2008, at 17:36, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
> ...
> Yes for CRT, but how many CRT are there nowadays? :)
> Darking going OT... :P

One of my CRTs died recently and I looked for a TFT replacement. The  
cheapest that does 1600 x 1200 is £300, and that would leave me with  
an "unmatched" pair.

Stroller.


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Any experiences with power hungry USB devices?

[Michael Shiloh]

I'm working on documenting various aspects of our USB port.

We believe that the FreeRunner USB port should be capable of delivering 
the standard USB high current of 500mA. We also believe that we respond 
properly to USB negotiation of this current, up from the minimum of 100mA.

I suddenly remembered that someone posted about using a USB keyboard 
that didn't work due to high current. However, the FreeRunner should be 
able to provide exactly as much current as a desktop PC, which I assume 
works with this keyboard.

If any of you have experienced difficulty with the FreeRunner powering 
USB devices, please speak up.

Michael

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Re: some hardware suggestions

[Stroller]

On 29 Aug 2008, at 12:04, Charles Pax wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Michele Renda  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :)
>
> Easy. Just find a food place that delivers and takes orders online.  
> Wow, a coffee machine you don't even need to clean. Find a delivery  
> place that takes orders over the phone and you have yourself a a  
> voice-activated system.

I am reminded of the SGI `burrito` command - it was all that was  
necessary, apparently, to send your order to the local food-delivery  
company via the company's fax server.

I believe that `burrito` was aware of the different entrances to or  
parts of the SGI campus to which you might wish your snack delivered,  
and of course this must be specified by the user. Defaults were read  
from the user's .burritorc file, but could be overwritten by flags  
such as --extra-cheese (or whatever - sorry, we don't have burritos  
in the UK).

Stroller.


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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

[Stroller]

On 29 Aug 2008, at 11:36, regina wrote:
> ...
> when you guys Report please follow below thing otherwise *we will  
> close
> that ticket immediately.*
> ...
> Please Read this first  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ 
> Bug_Filing_Policy

It's not much use having a list of requirements without which "we  
will close that ticket immediately", pointing us to a wiki page and  
then NOTHAVING A LIST OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ON THAT WIKI PAGE.

Also the title "less is more" on that wiki page doesn't make much  
sense. Those are sensible requirements in that section, but you want  
less than that??

And honestly, "me too" will cause the engineers not to look at the  
issue? How about "i can reproduce this, also"? Because if I don't  
have time to provide more info I will happily add an "i can reproduce  
this, also" comment so that you know the bug is not an isolated case.  
I would have thought that would be useful - not as useful as full  
terminal output, but at least some help indicating that the original  
bug report is not a fiction in the mind of a lone nutter. It's  
probably safe to assume I'll only add an "i can reproduce this, also"  
comment if there's only one or two reports of the bug and little  
follow-up, if the description is the same and if I'm following the  
same steps to reproduce it, so really providing that same information  
again isn't beneficial.

Stroller.


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Re: Email notification by VoIP. Was: Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

[Stroller]

On 28 Aug 2008, at 18:03, Ole Kliemann wrote:
> ...
> If you have some friends who are willing to use a system like that,  
> then
> message can be passed with notification within this group for a  
> very low
> price. I pay 24euro-ct/MB and only for every started 10kb. On the  
> other
> hand the amount of messages passing through this system will be low.
>
> AFAIK to have immediate notification with IMAP you have to either  
> keep a
> connection open or check for new mails in intervals. Both will cause
> costs.

I thought the "standard" now was unlimited data plans. My last  
contract (which included a Sony-E smartphone) just expired this week  
and I am now on a much cheaper tariff which gives me more minutes &  
which includes unlimited data.

UK users: O2 were discounting the price of their 600 minute  
simplicity plan for the duration of August, but have now extended  
this deal through September so you have more time left in which to  
get on it. For £20 this includes "unlimited" texts and one of the  
following free "bolt-ons": unlimited texts (WTF?), unlimited O2 to O2  
Calls, unlimited Web Bolt On, unlimited weekend calls, unlimited  
landline calls, unlimited Wi-Fi, 200 extra anytime minutes. https:// 
shop.o2.co.uk/tariffs/simonly

You have my sympathies if you're not on an unlimited data plan, Ole,  
but I would see unlimited data use as the long-term expectation of  
OpenMoko projects. I think for most people the ideal is to have their  
IMAP client open an internet connection (via wifi / GPRS) every few  
minutes & check for new mails. I've mentioned a couple of times on  
this list how well this is handled by the Nokia N95, which has the  
option (for instance) not to use GPRS when you're on holiday,  
avoiding roaming charges.

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Re: GTA04

[Dale Maggee]

Steven Kurylo wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Alex Fitzpatrick
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Yogiz wrote:
>> 
 known features of GTA04:
 - DBI (Direct Brain Interface)
 - trans warp gate projector
 - battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power
 - timemachine
 - build in stylus

 
>>> Ah, a stylus holder. Most excellent.
>>>
>>>   
>> Surely with the DBI the stylus is redundant? What kind of nonsense is
>> this anyway?
>> 
>
> Please, without a stylus, spare blackholes, and properly audio
> couplers this this phone will never reach the mass market.  They're
> must have features.  Not to mention it needs a pony too; no consumer
> would accept a phone without these essential features.
>
>   

also an edible chocolate case!

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Re: GTA05 suggestions

[Dale Maggee]

Lally Singh wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Radek Bartoň <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Card accesible from outside would be great too. Disassembling hood and SIM
>> card is really annoying so far.
>> 
>
> A second USB port would be nice, too.
>
> There's a lot of fun to be had in hooking external electronics to the
> OM.  Honestly, so much fun that it's really worth exploring.
>
> But, it's not really fair to expect OM to sell (or bundle in) all the
> little goodies we'd like, like the X10 transceiver, compass, etc.
>
> Instead, how about two screw bolts around one of the USB connectors
> (like the PSP) and some means of getting a little plastic case &
> electronics board that plugs in.  I'm thinking more of a listing with
> a 3rd party USB enclosure for custom electronics.  Let the community
> build the cool stuff, and we'll share what we did!  OM's only got to:
> 1) decide on a USB enclosure to be physically compatible with
> 2) add in the screw bolts around a USB port.
>
> And the rest of us can have all the fun hacking away with the possibilities 
> :-)
>
>
>   
I think that this is a great idea, but to clarify, this should be a 
_second_ USB port, so that you can be charging / usb networking while 
using these add-on devices you buy/build...


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Re: /etc/opkg

[roguemoko]

John Whitmore wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> Hi John,
>>
>> John Whitmore wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Anyhow my problem is that I really want to understand this directory's 
>>> contents as with so many distributions available and so many different 
>>> repositories It would seem all too easy to mess up my current happy 
>>> position with the default Raster build. I'm not sure about doing a opkg 
>>> update, or upgrade or anything as yet.
>>>
>>> If anybody can point me to some useful information that would be great. 
>>> I tried the wiki and man opkg on the FR but that was being optimistic;-)
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>> I installed the raster build this morning which included all the 
>> relevant feeds for au stable. I've opkg updated and upraded with no 
>> issues, well, outside the usual glitches you find in om2008.
>>
>> All the repos provided in the image I obtained were for 
>> downloads.openmoko.org which is the currently active branch. It appears 
>> the image is only modified in so far as the scripts and configuration so 
>> as long a you don't overwrite configs, everything stays the same. That 
>> may not be true in the future but it seems to be fine now.
>>
>> Just make sure your feeds are for downloads.openmoko.org and aren't 
>> pointing to testing and you should be right.
>>
>> In the end, this is an educated guess so YMMV. No one has actually 
>> confirmed any of this since I've been listening in.
>>
>> Sarton
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>> 
> Thanks for getting back to me on this. I'll maybe try what you suggest 
> but I'd like to understand that directory and it's contents. At present 
> when I did the install I'd about five files in there and apart from the 
> arch I don't know what any are supposed to do. I read a previous email 
> here on Raster's build which said:
>
>  >2. Add zecke's testing repository : create a /etc/opkg/updates.conf
>  >containing
>  >
>  >src/gz daily-all-updates
>  >http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/all
>  >src/gz daily-armv4t-updates
>  >http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/armv4t
>  >src/gz daily-neo1973-updates
>  >http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973
>  >src/gz daily-om-gta02-updates
>  >http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/om-gta02
>
>
> I moved all the other files in /etc/opkg to a backup directory and just 
> used the ones mentioned above. Unfortunately none seemed to pull in 
> anything but I'll have to check this again later as my internet 
> connection might have been off. I'll include the au stable and see what 
> that gives me.
>
> I'll try edit the wiki page with the only information I know which is 
> that the arch file should not be moved ;-)
>   

Sorry, I thought I'd explained sufficiently.

The contents of /etc/opkg should reflect your chosen branch of om2007/2008.

The arch file I believe denotes what is allowed, so you don't install 
incompatible binary files. The rest of the files merely point to a valid 
repository.

The only valid openmoko repo for om2008 is on downloads.openmoko.org. 
You are chasing your tail following the wiki. A lot of the stuff 
mentioned has been deprecated already. Apparently the zecke stuff has 
been merged into ASU and subsequent updates, so there is really only one 
place where the repos reside.

Ideally, you should not be modifying /etc/opkg at all. You simply 
install the latest feeds package which sets it all up for you to 
whatever the currrent repo/repos should be.

Hope that helps. It really is one of the least confusing parts of the 
openmoko distribution :). Any project using ipkg/opkg works in a similar 
fashion (such as openwrt).

Just a note on the raster image, you do need to manually/forcefully 
disable the Qtopia keyboard to stop the default one from randomly 
disappearing.

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Re: some hardware suggestions

[Michael Shiloh]

Alexey Kurochkin wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 07:04 -0400, Charles Pax wrote:
> 
>> CoffeeMachine, Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an
>> application.
> 
> I would call it Garçon.

ROTFL!

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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 01:46:48PM +0100, Tom Yates wrote:
> using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and
> 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of 
> friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in 
> internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456).  that 
> way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in.
> 
> but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just having 
> a local number (eg 07971 123456).
> 
> these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that 
> happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the 
> contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... .

Simple matching algorithm: match from right to left to numbers on
agenda.

Rui

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Re: GTA04

[William Kenworthy]

Its needed for defence against die hard apple fans ...

BillK

On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 15:21 -0400, Alex Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Yogiz wrote:
> >> known features of GTA04:
> >> - DBI (Direct Brain Interface)
> >> - trans warp gate projector
> >> - battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power
> >> - timemachine 
> >> - build in stylus
> >> 
> > Ah, a stylus holder. Most excellent.
> >   
> Surely with the DBI the stylus is redundant? What kind of nonsense is 
> this anyway?
> 
> :-)
> 
-- 
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Is 2008.9 usable?

[William Kenworthy]

Is this correct:

Will 2008.9 make phone calls (2008.8 never connected once over the few
days I tried it)

It doesn't white screen

It will wake from suspend on incoming calls, and user request

2008.8 suffered from all the above and more so was basically unusable
(even after the keyboard workaround was exposed).  I'm hoping that
2008.9 (with Zecke's feeds?) is what 2008.8 should have been ...

Lastly, can you press keys whilst in a phone call? - 2007.2's keyboard
disappears when on a call so you cant navigate menu's/voicemail :(

BillK


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Re: GTA05 suggestions

[William Kenworthy]

Take a leaf from others - the treo 650 has externally accessible SD
card, sim card and a physical switch for audio.  The freerunner hardware
feels positively neanderthal by comparison ...

BillK

On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 18:41 +0200, Radek Bartoň wrote:
> Dne Friday 29 of August 2008 15:27:15 H.Hveem napsal(a):
> 
> >
> > Make all unlocking of phone, password protected
> >
> >
> > Storage
> > MMC/SD/SDIO slot (rather than?) miniSD or microSD
> > SDHC compatible.
> >
> > Micro SDHC for /home partition. Keep like current design underneath SIM
> 
> Card accesible from outside would be great too. Disassembling hood and SIM 
> card is really annoying so far.
> 
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saving and restoring GPS data for U-blox chip quicker startup

[Vasco Névoa]

Hi all.

I don't know how far anyone has gone in this subject, so I took the 
liberty to experiment.
I'd like to see the freerunner's GPS do the same any other GPS device 
does: save the almanac/ephemeris data to storage upon shutdown and 
restore it upon powerup. I don't know much about GPS, but I imagine this 
would accelerate the startup, and it wouldn't hurt much if the device 
has changed geographical location in between (like after a plane trip, 
for example.)

So, I took the protocol datasheet 
(http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/gps.g3/ANTARIS_Protocol_Specification(GPS.G3-X-03002).chm)
 
and tried to coerce the chip into vomiting the stored information (we 
should take care to do it after working for at least 2 or 3 minutes with 
a good reception level).

Basically:

# Listen to the GPS port. Don't use gpspipe or any other "complicated" 
stuff because of internal filtering cutting the binary messages. U-blox 
binary protocol messages start with 0xB5 0x62.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hexdump /dev/ttySAC1 | grep 62b5
# If you're suspicious of this, take a look at the direct output of "cat 
/dev/ttySAC1" and you'll be convinced when you see the ASCII output 
temporarily replaced by binary garbage. :)

# Ask the u-blox chip for it's stored gps data, by sending the AID-DATA 
poll message (equivalent to sending AID-INI + AID-HUI + AID-EPH + 
AID-ALM, we could send each one alone if desirable):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ./ubxgen.py 0B 10 00 00  > AID-DATA.ubx
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat AID-DATA.ubx > /dev/ttySAC1

# out pours the requested data...
(down at the end of this message)

Now, this is just a start for a "proof of concept", and I think it has 
potential. The output is already in the same format it takes for input, 
and is separated into 4 different message categories, allowing us to 
modify some of the data if needed.

So, what would be needed for this feature to be implemented?
1 - some process capable of writing and reading "ublox-binary" at 
/dev/ttySAC1;
2 - a simple hook into the UI gps on/off button script, forcing process 
(1) to ask for info and store it on file upon gps shutdown, and to 
rewrite that info into the chip on startup.

Who's working on this? I'd happily beta-test it.

My data (not really relevant, and probably incomplete because of the grep)
4c0 3030 2c38 3030 302c 2a30 4236 0a0d 62b5
500   4ba0 62b5 020b 0048  
550 0007  d55d 62b5 310b 0008 0001 
560   f745 62b5 310b 0008 0002 
570   ff46 62b5 310b 0008 0003 
580   0747 62b5 310b 0008 0004 
590   0f48 62b5 310b 0008 0005 
5a0   1749 62b5 310b 0008 0006 
5b0   1f4a 62b5 310b 0008 0007 
5c0   274b 62b5 310b 0008 0008 
5d0   2f4c 62b5 310b 0008 0009 
5e0   374d 62b5 310b 0008 000a 
5f0   3f4e 62b5 310b 0008 000b 
600   474f 62b5 310b 0008 000c 
610   4f50 62b5 310b 0008 000d 
620   5751 62b5 310b 0008 000e 
630   5f52 62b5 310b 0008 000f 
640   6753 62b5 310b 0008 0010 
650   6f54 62b5 310b 0008 0011 
660   7755 62b5 310b 0008 0012 
670   7f56 62b5 310b 0008 0013 
680   8757 62b5 310b 0008 0014 
690   8f58 62b5 310b 0008 0015 
6a0   9759 62b5 310b 0008 0016 
6b0   9f5a 62b5 310b 0008 0017 
6c0   a75b 62b5 310b 0008 0018 
6d0   af5c 62b5 310b 0008 0019 
6e0   b75d 62b5 310b 0008 001a 
6f0   bf5e 62b5 310b 0008 001b 
700   c75f 62b5 310b 0068 001c 
770 f5a2 004d 8a90 62b5 310b 0008 001d 
780   d761 62b5 310b 0008 001e 
790   df62 62b5 310b 0008 001f 
7a0   e763 62b5 310b 0008 0020 
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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

[Florian Hackenberger]

On Friday 29 August 2008, Søren Kristiansen wrote:
> Could you describe the steps here a bit better? I can't get to the
> place where I should enter the AT command. This is what I did:
> minicom -s
> Select 'serial port setup' in the menu
> Press 'A' to change 'Serial Device' to the correct value.
> Press enter a couple of times to get to the main menu again

Actually press A, edit the value, press enter to confirm it (you are 
back in the serial device menu. Then press ESC twice (exit the main 
menu). It should print 'Initializing Modem'. After that you should be 
able to type the AT command.
If that does not work for you, you can install the 'cu' package 
(confirmed to be present in OM 2008.08 testing). And 
execute 'cu -l /dev/pts/3' (adapt the device path) to bring up a chat 
session with the modem. Try typing 'AT' end ENTER and it should respond 
with 'OK'. Then enter the AT sequence and exit cu using '~.' ENTER.

Cheers,
Florian

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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

[Holger Freyther]

On Friday 29 August 2008 12:36:46 regina wrote:
> Hi  guys  :-)
>
>
> testing team use trac system quite often and i have discovered Trac is
> mess.

Thanks, and I'm sick of fixing components, removing milestones, asking for log 
files and installed software and people coming late to the party and 
screaming "I have the same issue" and then not providing any logs with that 
me too and after another six replies having a complete different issue.. 

Please read and think before screaming "me too". I'm at a point where I might 
follow the wind again and just move on.

z.

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Re: ePDFviewer and reflowing text

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I have installed ePDFviewer from http://www.ginguppin.de/node/21 after
> loading all missing dependencies from the feed at
> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/ (and it
> was a long list!)

Could you please post the list here for others?


r

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Re: ASU keyboards

[Yorick Moko]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I did:
> 1. opkg install illume-config-illume (it's in testing)
> 2. opkg install illume-config (I already had that one)
> 3. echo 'E_PROFILE="-profile illume"' > /etc/enlightenment/default_profile
> 4. added export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia
> 3. reboot
>
> result:
> no keyboard :)
> the qwerty button still is there but does nothing when pressed,
> and no keyboard auto-pops-up
>
> somebody on IRC also had this same problem
>

I also installed
[   ] illume-keyboards-default_0.0+svnr35693-r13_all.ipk
 29-Aug-2008 07:32  1.5K
[   ] illume-keyboards-numbers_0.0+svnr35693-r13_all.ipk
 29-Aug-2008 07:32  1.6K
[   ] illume-keyboards-terminal_0.0+svnr35693-r13_all.ipk
 29-Aug-2008 07:32  2.0K

which did not make the keyboards appear

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Re: New tslib xsrelease with right click

[Andre Roth]

Hello,

> > this works nicely for xfce, however using fluxbox nothing happens. 
> > a right click over X11vnc shows the fluxbox menu. 
> > does the right click somehow depend on the window manager ?
> no the right click does not depend on the window manager. but there
> reports on strange behavior on other systems than the FR. may be that
> are the same reasons. i will test this myself. may be i find the reason
> why it don't do. may be it is because when you put the stylus down a
> left down event is produced until some time a left up and than a right
> down event is generated. can you please try this sequence via x11vnc?

I hope I understood you correctely: without moving the mouse I pressed
the left mouse button, released it and pressed the right. result: the
fluxbox menu shows up. even if I dont release the left button...

but I had the impression, that when using fluxbox the mouse pointer
"shakes" under the pen a lot more than in xfce (it's jumping 1 pixel
here and there). maybe the mous speed is a problem ?

regards

 andré

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Re: GTA05 suggestions

[Lally Singh]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Radek Bartoň <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Card accesible from outside would be great too. Disassembling hood and SIM
> card is really annoying so far.

A second USB port would be nice, too.

There's a lot of fun to be had in hooking external electronics to the
OM.  Honestly, so much fun that it's really worth exploring.

But, it's not really fair to expect OM to sell (or bundle in) all the
little goodies we'd like, like the X10 transceiver, compass, etc.

Instead, how about two screw bolts around one of the USB connectors
(like the PSP) and some means of getting a little plastic case &
electronics board that plugs in.  I'm thinking more of a listing with
a 3rd party USB enclosure for custom electronics.  Let the community
build the cool stuff, and we'll share what we did!  OM's only got to:
1) decide on a USB enclosure to be physically compatible with
2) add in the screw bolts around a USB port.

And the rest of us can have all the fun hacking away with the possibilities :-)


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Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - now with Gestures

[Yorick Moko]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Yorick Moko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When it can't connect to anything it just keeps stating "Waiting for
> connection" on Om2008.8-upgrade I can not close it. Closing it by
> pressing on the cross or in the topbar does not work. Killall remoko
> also has no effect; nor does killal python; I have to killall -9
> python.
>
> I have only one bluetooth enabled device nearby: my ps3.
> I go to manage bluetooth devices and let it scan and then I start
> remoko. It never finds the phone, while it does find the carkit of my
> mother when she parks right outside.
> What do I need to do to make it work?
> (if you need some more info, just ask and I'll happily provide it)
>
> y
>

Update:
It now shows the BlueZ (0) device
but when I select "register" on my PS3 i get:
"An error occurred during the register operation. Try to register
again. (80010009)"

When I try it without running remoko it briefly (<1s) give me a serie
of numbers i have to enter on my bluetooth device to register it and
then I get the same error message.

Is there a log of bluez i can consult?
Should I file a bug report?

y

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Re: GTA04

[Steven Kurylo]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Alex Fitzpatrick
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yogiz wrote:
>>> known features of GTA04:
>>> - DBI (Direct Brain Interface)
>>> - trans warp gate projector
>>> - battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power
>>> - timemachine
>>> - build in stylus
>>>
>> Ah, a stylus holder. Most excellent.
>>
> Surely with the DBI the stylus is redundant? What kind of nonsense is
> this anyway?

Please, without a stylus, spare blackholes, and properly audio
couplers this this phone will never reach the mass market.  They're
must have features.  Not to mention it needs a pony too; no consumer
would accept a phone without these essential features.

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Re: Numptyphysics on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Michele Renda]

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Hi Aapo

Thank you for your tip!

I will wait your server will become available and I will try to build
it, and, I will try to make a deb package.

Thank you
Michele Renda

Aapo Rantalainen wrote:
> Numptyphysics that works with Debian:
> http://lauta.dyndns.org/freerunner/index.html
> tar.gz.
> 
> There are sources+binaries+data.
> Data is same than ipk-package (smaller resolution + extra levels)
> Sources can be compiled on Freerunner (just apt-get install all lib
> what it whine)
> Ready binary.
> 
> 
> There are new version of numptyphysics coming:
> *newer physics-engine
> *replay / demo recording
> *on screen keyboard / controlpanel (to restart level, jump next, pause
> game, etc)
> 
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Re: GSoC OpenMoko Bluetooth remote controller - now with Gestures

[Yorick Moko]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Valerio Valerio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> a ReMoko package with ability to send events through gestures (Paul's daemon
> - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gestures) is available now in:
> http://code.google.com/p/remoko/downloads/list
>
> Installation and usage instructions can be reached in this page:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Bluetooth_remote_controller
>
> The gestures daemon is a little bit heavy right now (about 20% cpu usage),
> so the ReMoko mouse profile (heavy too) will slow down a little bit if you
> have more program running one the phone, just the warning :)
>
> I will appreciate a lot if someone in the community make a video using
> ReMoko (mouse, keyboard and gestures controlling for example a slideshow or
> Amarok), I can't upload a video now because I only have internet access by a
> limited data plan :) (3g card).
>
> I appreciate some feedback, specially from people that can test the app with
> Windows Vista and Mac OSX.
>
>
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>

When it can't connect to anything it just keeps stating "Waiting for
connection" on Om2008.8-upgrade I can not close it. Closing it by
pressing on the cross or in the topbar does not work. Killall remoko
also has no effect; nor does killal python; I have to killall -9
python.

I have only one bluetooth enabled device nearby: my ps3.
I go to manage bluetooth devices and let it scan and then I start
remoko. It never finds the phone, while it does find the carkit of my
mother when she parks right outside.
What do I need to do to make it work?
(if you need some more info, just ask and I'll happily provide it)

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Re: GTA04

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Yogiz wrote:
>> known features of GTA04:
>> - DBI (Direct Brain Interface)
>> - trans warp gate projector
>> - battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power
>> - timemachine 
>> - build in stylus
>> 
> Ah, a stylus holder. Most excellent.
>   
Surely with the DBI the stylus is redundant? What kind of nonsense is 
this anyway?

:-)

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Re: New tslib xsrelease with right click

[Sebastian Ohl]

Hi,

On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 18:54 +0200, Andre Roth wrote:
> this works nicely for xfce, however using fluxbox nothing happens. 
> a right click over X11vnc shows the fluxbox menu. 
> does the right click somehow depend on the window manager ?
no the right click does not depend on the window manager. but there
reports on strange behavior on other systems than the FR. may be that
are the same reasons. i will test this myself. may be i find the reason
why it don't do. may be it is because when you put the stylus down a
left down event is produced until some time a left up and than a right
down event is generated. can you please try this sequence via x11vnc?

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Re: ASU keyboards

[Yorick Moko]

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:07 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:56:34 +0800 John Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:59:53AM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
>> >
>> > ok. i suck. i have screwed this defsault_profile monkey. 1 last time for 
>> > the
>> > dummies (i.e. - me).
>> >
>> > 1. opkg install illume-config-illume (get illume's config panel and illume
>> > keyboard by default - this should be available)
>> > 2. opkg install illume-config (get qwery button)
>> > 2. echo 'E_PROFILE="-profile illume"' > /etc/enlightenment/default_profile
>> > (switch to the illume profile from asu)
>> > 3. reboot (easiest way to get your x session going again as the
>> > default_profile is a command-line hack). :)
>> >
>> > that should do it!

I did:
1. opkg install illume-config-illume (it's in testing)
2. opkg install illume-config (I already had that one)
3. echo 'E_PROFILE="-profile illume"' > /etc/enlightenment/default_profile
4. added export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia
3. reboot

result:
no keyboard :)
the qwerty button still is there but does nothing when pressed,
and no keyboard auto-pops-up

somebody on IRC also had this same problem

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

[Søren Kristiansen]

Florian Hackenberger wrote:
> 
> Now use 'minicom -s' and 
> set the device under 'serial device' to the value printed by dbus-send. 
> Wait for a response to the AT initiation sequence and then type in:
> AT%N0187
> 

Could you describe the steps here a bit better? I can't get to the place
where I should enter the AT command. This is what I did:

minicom -s
Select 'serial port setup' in the menu
Press 'A' to change 'Serial Device' to the correct value.
Press enter a couple of times to get to the main menu again
Save setup as df1 (should I do this?)
Exit
'Initializing Modem' 
'Welcome to minicom 2.1

OPTIONS: History Buffer, F-key Macros, Search History Buffer, I18n
Compiled on Aug  7 2008, 11:17:38.

Press CTRL-A Z for help on special keys'
I can't enter anything here. CTRL-A Z brings up the help as described but I
have no idea what to pick.
I'm SSH'ing to my freerunner which runs rasters 2008.8 image (not upgraded)

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Re: some hardware suggestions

[Dale Maggee]

Shawn Thompson wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>   
>> Nishit Dave wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 - "Genuine People Personality" Module


 
>>> Would you prefer "aaah...thanks for using me as your phone", or "life,
>>>   
>> don't
>> 
>>> talk on me about it" modes?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny
>> disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction
>> to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably
>> quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a
>> self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;)
>>
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>
> Just imagine if your phone woke up from an SMS message being called by the
> GSM and stated, "I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed."
> Something like that would be worth six pints of bitter just before the world
> ends right?
>   
Hell yeah!

"You told me to remind you that you've got a meeting at 3:30. Here I am, 
brain the size of a planet, and you've got me reminding you of your 
menial schedule. Call that job satisfaction? cuz I don't. Also, I've got 
this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side..."

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Re: QtGps for Trolltechs Qtopia

[Jim Morris]

Radek Barton( wrote:
> 
> Do anyone have compiled package for share? Otherwise I would need to make one 
> just to try an application :-). Thanks.
> 

Yes if you go to the blog, and download the tar file, there is an executable 
called qtgps, you just 
copy that to your FR, and run it on the FR.

http://blog.wolfman.com/articles/2008/08/27/porting-xgps-to-qtopia-for-the-freerunner
http://blog.wolfman.com/files/qtgps.tar.gz

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Re: ASU / om2008.8 - opkg upgrade failed - can't ssh into the phone

[Daniel Benoy]

On Friday 29 August 2008 03:03:58 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > well -- I got into some similar situation a week ago after somewhat
> > extensive upgrade + install party ;-) (prelink etc) -- just go
> > into terminal and try to run smth like
> 
> Well it is this part I'm having trouble with - how do I get into
> terminal when there is no GUI active on the phone, only the console
> screen?
> I'll guess I will just have to reflash it.

You can boot from a SD card and mount your internal flash from within that 
environment (/dev/mtdblk6 or something ilke that).  Check the wiki for details.

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Re: Numptyphysics on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Aapo Rantalainen]

Numptyphysics that works with Debian:
http://lauta.dyndns.org/freerunner/index.html
tar.gz.

There are sources+binaries+data.
Data is same than ipk-package (smaller resolution + extra levels)
Sources can be compiled on Freerunner (just apt-get install all lib
what it whine)
Ready binary.


There are new version of numptyphysics coming:
*newer physics-engine
*replay / demo recording
*on screen keyboard / controlpanel (to restart level, jump next, pause
game, etc)

-Aapo Rantalainen

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Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.

[Daniel Selinger]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:10:39 -0700 (PDT)
Mav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Thanks a lot for your trick
> The echo is now gone on Qtopia 4.3.2 and it's really a good news
> As someone said, I can barely hear my correspondant but I guess it's
> only a tune in the gsmhandset.state (I also tried to increase the
> Mono Bypass level to 100 but it's not really improving situation (I
> will try with more than 100)

Yea, i tried these settings in real life conditions today, and also
must admit, that it is too silent for both sides. I think this should
be fixed by taking my original settings, and just putting up 'Speaker
Playback Volume" to about 110 (should make the speaker on the
freerunner louder) and 'Mono Playback Volume' to 90-95 which should
make oneself louder for the other side. (Yes i know that sounds silly
as the control is called Playback Volume, but that is what i recognized
yesterday, lowering Mono Playback makes us more silent for the other
person. Have to confirm this again but i'm quite sure)

I just do this from memory, i will do my tests this tomorrow.

I think some repeating tuning will be nesecarry to fit every condition,
and maybe some echo isn't avoidable until we have more advanced
techniques to get rid of it.

But in my case this is a more than good improvement compared to default
settings.

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

[Florian Hackenberger]

On Friday 29 August 2008, Al Johnson wrote:
> I was installing FSO to try those commands too. I just tried AT%N0187
> and it works. If you push the mic gain right up it will eventually
> start to break through, but this is _much_ better than before.
Thanks for the confirmation! I'll try to get this implemented in 
Om2008.08.

Cheers,
Florian

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Re: Tichy and pygame on OM2008.8 update

[yves mahe]

I tried to use cython for the tichy's GUI because it's  really slow:

opkg install gcc make gcc-symlinks

and the make fails :

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/tichy/tichy/guic# make
cc -c -fPIC -I. -I/usr/include/python2.5/ 
-L/usr/local/openmoko/arm/usr/lib/ -O3 -fno-strict-aliasing geo.c -o geo.o
cc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory
make: *** [geo.o] Error 1


I will investigate later.
Yves Mahé


yves mahe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I finally install pygame and tichy on OM2008.8 update (27/08/2008)
> 
> I used
> 
> - opkg install 
> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/libsmpeg-0.4-0_0.4.4+0.4.5cvs20040311-r0_armv4t.ipk
> - opkg install 
> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/python/python-pygame_1..7.1-ml2_armv4t.ipk
> 
> I lazily patch tichy here in tichy/tichy/timeservice/timeservice.py
> line 45
>  # self.event_id = gobject.timeout_add_seconds(1, 
> self.time_changed)
>  self.event_id = gobject.timeout_add(1, self.time_changed)
> 
> Yves Mahé


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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

[Petr Vanek]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:50:27 +0200
"Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"

>Now, pyPenNotes looks definitively better! :D

oh, this is the app [1] i was looking for :), thank you!

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyPenNotes

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 29 August 2008, Florian Hackenberger wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Thanks to a posting from "Freerunner_User" on the hardware mailing list
> [1], I got hold of the hidden AT commands concerning the AEC and noise
> reduction support of the TI Calypso. I quickly tried these commands and
> it solves the echo problem for me. I injected
> AT%N0187
> using minicom and gsm0710muxd on Om2008.08 while qpe was running. On the
> next call the echo was gone. I have not modified my alsa .state files
> at all and I'm running the official OM testing ASU branch.
> Cheers,
>   Florian
>
> [1]
> http://n2.nabble.com/calypso-hardware-echo-suppression--tp784752p786187.htm
>l

I was installing FSO to try those commands too. I just tried AT%N0187 and it 
works. If you push the mic gain right up it will eventually start to break 
through, but this is _much_ better than before. It's really easy to run on 
FSO as gsm0710muxd and mickeyterm are already running. Just start a terminal, 
run mickeyterm and issue the AT command, then exit with Ctrl-D. All 
subsequent calls will be affected. You can even turn it off again mid call 
using AT%N0001 if you want to compare back to back. I haven't tried fine 
tuning  with any of the other values yet.

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Tichy and pygame on OM2008.8 update

[yves mahe]

Hi,

I finally install pygame and tichy on OM2008.8 update (27/08/2008)

I used

- opkg install 
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/base/libsmpeg-0.4-0_0.4.4+0.4.5cvs20040311-r0_armv4t.ipk
- opkg install 
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/armv4t/python/python-pygame_1.7.1-ml2_armv4t.ipk

I lazily patch tichy here in tichy/tichy/timeservice/timeservice.py
line 45
 # self.event_id = gobject.timeout_add_seconds(1, 
self.time_changed)
 self.event_id = gobject.timeout_add(1, self.time_changed)

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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

[Mikhail Gusarov]

Twas brillig at 18:36:43 29.08.2008 UTC+02 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and 
gimble:

 MT(> Yes for CRT, but how many CRT are there nowadays? :)

Lots of, if you count not only geeks, but rest of the humanity.

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Re: GTA04

[Yogiz]

> known features of GTA04:
> - DBI (Direct Brain Interface)
> - trans warp gate projector
> - battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power
> - timemachine 
> - build in stylus
> 

Ah, a stylus holder. Most excellent.

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Re: New tslib xsrelease with right click

[Andre Roth]

Hello,

this works nicely for xfce, however using fluxbox nothing happens. 
a right click over X11vnc shows the fluxbox menu. 

does the right click somehow depend on the window manager ?

regards

 andré

> there is a new upstream release in the debian repository. so here is a
> new package with the right click by tap+hold patch. it can be downloaded
> from http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.5-1
> +fso1_armel.deb . you also have to change your pointercal file because
> the package is now based on the new debian package. just download it
> from http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal-fso and save
> it to /etc/pointercal .
> 
> -- 
> Yours
>  Sebastian Ohl


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Problems mounting microSD card in Debian

[Aaron Sells]

I have Debian running in Flash on my Freerunner
(http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/MovingToFlash) and it works
great.  However, my microSD card is not being detected.  I receive the
following message during bootup:

> mmc0: error -22 whilst initialising MMC card

and /dev/mmcblk0p1 is not created.  Has anyone run into this problem?
Any ideas for a workaround?


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Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 29 August 2008, Mikael Berthe wrote:
> * Mike Baroukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-08-29 09:36 +0200]:
> > What I don't understand is why the settings have to be phone dependant.
> > If I'm not wrong, this settings depends not of the phone but of the gsm
> > operator.
>
> I don't think so, I'm getting different results when I talk with people
> using the same operator...

All these settings are doing is changing the gain of the mic and the playback 
volume in the earpiece. We have no control over the gain in either direction 
between your GSM modem and the other party. There will be a variation in the 
level of acoustic coupling between the earpiece and the mic of the Freerunner 
too. Whether the other party hears any echo depends on the gain around the 
whole loop, not just the bit we can control with alsamixer. This is before we 
get into differences in sensitivity to echo, or whether the telco might 
employ echo cancellation or suppression somewhere in the line. This is why 
you will find differences between calls to different people.

Any static mixer setting like this will be a compromise. To reduce the echo 
heard at the other end you can set the earpiece volume and mic gain to as low 
as you can get away with. How low this is will depend on your hearing, the 
background noise level, how loudly you speak, and how you hold the phone, 
plus the bits that are out of your control. This is why there are several 
gsmhandset.state files out there with different settings that people find 
work for them.

There are other things that may work better though. The wolfson audio chip has 
onboard active level control and noise gate functions which may be usable for 
echo suppression. This would drop the mic gain when you aren't speaking, 
cutting echo, but bring it up when you are speaking so that the other party 
can hear you. There is also a suggestion that the GSM chipset can do echo 
suppression. Finally we may be able to echo cancellation with the CPU.

If you want to try changing the settings I suggest you look at the wiki pages:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WM8753
The mic level is controlled by "Mic2 Capture Volume" (control.48), "Mono 
Sidetone Playback Volume" (control.12) and "Mono Playback Volume" (control.5) 
while the earpiece volume is controlled by "Bypass Playback Volume" 
(control.6) and "Speaker Playback Volume" (control.4)

I've not detailed my attempts at getting the wolfson noise gate working as so 
far I've not found anything that's better than a compromise without the noise 
gate, and changing the noise gate settings doesn't affect things as I would 
expect. I guess I'm missing something about how it works. The first thing to 
do is to set the signal routing to send the mic2 signal through the ALC Mux, 
the left PGA then back down to the Mic Mux. This is the routing suggested for 
voice on the audio subsystem wiki page, but it is not how it is set in the 
supplied gsmhandset.state. Controls 59 through 62, the "ALC Mixer xxx Capture 
Switch" settings, are already set correctlywith Mic2 (60) true and the others 
false. "Mic Sidetone Mux" (63) should be set to 'Left PGA'. Now the fun 
starts ;-) I think "Capture Left Mux" (65) should be 'PGA' and the ALC 
controls are 28 through 37, but since playing with these doesn't give me the 
results I expect from an AGC or noise gate I think I'm missing something, 
probably in the capture settings to get the mic signal into the ALC. I hope 
this helps someone make more progress than I have, but I'll keep trying.

The possible GSM chipset capability is discussed in this thread:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/2008-August/000451.html

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Re: Wiki focus - user versus developer documentation

[Minh Ha Duong]

So the answer to the question of "Do we use namespace here ?" is no. I think 
it's the good answer too, and I am glad we reached the conclusion quickly and 
rationally.

  When the wiki is renamed we will move the handfull of "meta" pages about the 
wiki in the appropriate namespace.

  What do you mean by redesign the front page ? It already separates Users, 
Developpers, and Unenlightened.

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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Yorick Moko wrote:
> Where can i find the tango icons?
> like displayed on
> http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/fc774c1747b60e76b13066dfc02758d7.png

Oh, I forgot to upload the archive I've made after sending the shot with 
gpe-scap, however now they're all in this archive [1].
Now, pyPenNotes looks definitively better [2]! :D

Bye!


[1] http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/openmoko-tango-stock.tar.gz
[2] 
http://3v1n0.net/openmoko/Illume-tangoized+moko-sun-gtk+tango-pyPenNotes.png


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Re: GTA05 suggestions

[Radek Bartoň]

Dne Friday 29 of August 2008 15:27:15 H.Hveem napsal(a):

>
> Make all unlocking of phone, password protected
>
>
> Storage
> MMC/SD/SDIO slot (rather than?) miniSD or microSD
> SDHC compatible.
>
> Micro SDHC for /home partition. Keep like current design underneath SIM

Card accesible from outside would be great too. Disassembling hood and SIM 
card is really annoying so far.

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Department of Computer Graphics and Multimedia
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ePDFviewer and reflowing text

[Nishit Dave]

Hi there,

I have installed ePDFviewer from http://www.ginguppin.de/node/21 after
loading all missing dependencies from the feed at
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/ (and it
was a long list!)

It's working fine now, but I wanted to know if there is a way in ePDFview to
reflow text.  I have the Picsel Viewer application on my MotoRokr E6, which
allows me to open PDFs and other formats, and in many cases, it allows
reflowing of text so that it fits the small screen but is still easily
readable.

Such functionality would be quite useful for the FR too.  Does anybody have
any ideas / experience?
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Re: ASU Illume Tango Theme

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Christ van Willegen wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:22 AM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>> color changes make NO power difference. really. zippo.
>> Exactly... Common hoax [1]. :)
>>
>>
>> [1] Darkgoogle? :P
> 
> Darkgoogle would presumably help on a crt display... It cuts down
> intensity of the electron beam, which would save power. Not?

Yes for CRT, but how many CRT are there nowadays? :)
Darking going OT... :P

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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

[Michael Shiloh]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> regina wrote:
>> *# Please Search ticket before Report (maybe already somebody report )*
>>
>> *#* *if you are not sure it is a bug or not , please visit here  
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_Cases
>> and leave messages
>>   
> 
> What you need is a full-time faq updater :)

That's exactly what I'm becoming :-). Look for a lot of cleanup work in 
the FAQ in the next few days, and then hopefully it will be easier to 
insert to FAQs in a timely fashion.



> Most of the answers could realistically be the question 'please submit 
> patch' though I suppose :)

!!

> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Sarton
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Helping Openmoko distribution team (was: Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.)

[Michael Shiloh]

Andreas Zuber wrote:

> 
> I hope this gets fixed in the stable branch now. My tweak link list grows 
> every day.
> 
> To OpenMoko.. is there a way to help you with the distribution? I don't like 
> the idea of a personal repository for hotfixes like this, i think this should 
> go directly to the official repo's. May be we can use git in a clever way to 
> minimize the work you have with the integration of such changes. 


Some of our developers are buried trying to keep up with new and old bug 
reports. Each one needs to be verified, checked for duplication, checked 
for whether it's been solved, and this is all before any real bug fixing 
takes place.

I don't want to speak for those developers, but I wonder if the 
community can help us with some of these tasks. I know that one of our 
main developers said that he spent some 30% of his time on this.

This would free up developer time to work on getting fixes into the distro.

Michael

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Re: xfce on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[arne anka]

> in xfce-main-menu i need three clicks to open a submenu. someone an
> idea on this?

i noticed it too -- sometimes even more.
i somehow think the menu is populated every time it's expanded --  
subsequent submenus expand on first click.

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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

[Alex Fitzpatrick]

Lorn Potter wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> Hi Florian,
>>
>> Florian Hackenberger wrote:
>> 
>>> I'll cook up a patch to Qtopia-X11, but for the impatient here are some 
>>> instructions for installing gsm0710muxd on Om2008.08 and injecting the 
>>>   
>> Will this patch make it upstream? 
>> 
>
> It will be in 4.4 yes. I haven't yet put it in 4.3.x snapshots.
>   

I assume that a bug will be associated with this in trac. It would be 
very useful if you could announce on the mailing list when your fix has 
landed in an official build so we can validate the fix.

Awesome work BTW!

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Re: softfloat or hardfloat ?

[Håvard Moen]

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:25:16 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
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> 
> Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> > Our toolchains are softfloat by default.
> > 
> 
> 
> someone know which are the setting used to cross compile Debian in armv4?

http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort

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Re: qtopia 4.3.2 release

[Vince M. Clark]

Does anyone know when 4.4 will be released? There was a thread a couple of 
months ago where a Trolltech person just said "soon" but would not be more 
specific. 

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:59:06 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
Subject: Re: qtopia 4.3.2 release 

Lorn Potter wrote: 
> Jim Morris wrote: 
>> Lorn Potter wrote: 
>>> Hi all, 
>>> 
>>> Trolltech released Qtopia 4.3.2 this week, and the GPL sources hit 
>>> the ftp server recently. 
>>> ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/source/qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.2.tar.gz 
>>> 
>> 
>> I did a build from the Qtopia snapshot last night, does this mean I 
>> will already have gotten the updates? 
>> 
> 
> You should be good to go! 
> 

Great thanks, I also noticed that ssl and tls were now enabled on email. 

Is there a reason that handwriting recognition input is not in the snapshot 
sources? 

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xfce on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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hi,
in xfce-main-menu i need three clicks to open a submenu. someone an  
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regards, morlac

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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

[Nishit Dave]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:26 PM, malte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I know this problem from the cryptosms.org project.
>
> basically the telco is providing/sending the incoming number (not the
> phone). the format of this number seems to vary even with the same
> telco. I've seen these
>
> +49 179...
> 0049 179...
> 49 179...
> 0179...
>
> I'm not sure if this list shows all possible 'encodings'.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a standard on how to translate these
> numbers into each other, which are valid and which not?
>
>
> I used to own an Ericsson T10s so many years ago.  That phone had the
simplistic solution of checking the last 7-8 digits of the number. Of
course, this can create confusion in the rare case that you have special
numbers for your different phones, or the last part shared by contacts.
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Re: caught again by the 2007.2 dialler

[clare johnstone]

And I thought I had a problem on FSO Milestone 2 because of unable to
send numbers back to Voicemail - but I did have a "hangup"  button :)

And I *was*  fascinated to get Voicemail...
still hoping...
clare

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:34 AM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just got caught again by the 2007.2 dialler - on voicemail I was
> expected to hit keys to delete messages etc, but the display is blank.
> it wasnt even possible to hang up - I ended up pulling the battery!  Now
> I have to go find another phone to put the sim into to sort out the
> voicemail.
>
> Is there a solution?
>
> BillK
>
>
> --
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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

[malte]

Hi

I know this problem from the cryptosms.org project.

basically the telco is providing/sending the incoming number (not the
phone). the format of this number seems to vary even with the same
telco. I've seen these

+49 179...
0049 179...
49 179...
0179...

I'm not sure if this list shows all possible 'encodings'.

Does anyone know if there is a standard on how to translate these
numbers into each other, which are valid and which not?

greetings
malte

Dale Maggee wrote:
> Tom Yates wrote:
>> using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and
>> 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of 
>> friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in 
>> internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456).  that 
>> way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in.
>>
>> but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just having 
>> a local number (eg 07971 123456).
>>
>> these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that 
>> happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the 
>> contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... .
>>
>> a) do other people find this also?
>>
>> b) does this qualify as a bug?
>>
>> c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion 
>> aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug 
>> tracker?
>>   
> a) yes, I see the same thing. My workaround: Add the number in both 
> formats to the contact (although this isn't strictly neccessary, because 
> in AU on the vodafone network numbers seem to appear in the 
> international format, so if the number is in the contact in the 
> international format it generally works)
> 
> b) I'd call it a bug, or maybe a "feature"...
> 
> c) not exclusive to qtopia (I'm using 2007.2), but I suspect that it's a 
> bug/feature common to more than one set of dialer / messaging / contacts 
> programs, although I may be wrong.
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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

[Shawn Thompson]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Tom Yates wrote:
> > using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and
> > 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of
> > friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in
> > internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456).  that
> > way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in.
> >
> > but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just
> having
> > a local number (eg 07971 123456).
> >
> > these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that
> > happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the
> > contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... .
> >
> > a) do other people find this also?
> >
> > b) does this qualify as a bug?
> >
> > c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion
> > aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug
> > tracker?
> >
> a) yes, I see the same thing. My workaround: Add the number in both
> formats to the contact (although this isn't strictly neccessary, because
> in AU on the vodafone network numbers seem to appear in the
> international format, so if the number is in the contact in the
> international format it generally works)
>
> b) I'd call it a bug, or maybe a "feature"...
>
> c) not exclusive to qtopia (I'm using 2007.2), but I suspect that it's a
> bug/feature common to more than one set of dialer / messaging / contacts
> programs, although I may be wrong.
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>b) I'd call it a bug, or maybe a "feature"...
By calling it a feature I feel compelled to ask, are you a Microsoft
employee?
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Re: some hardware suggestions

[Shawn Thompson]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Nishit Dave wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> - "Genuine People Personality" Module
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Would you prefer "aaah...thanks for using me as your phone", or "life,
> don't
> > talk on me about it" modes?
> >
> >
> I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny
> disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction
> to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably
> quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a
> self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;)
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Just imagine if your phone woke up from an SMS message being called by the
GSM and stated, "I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed."
Something like that would be worth six pints of bitter just before the world
ends right?
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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

[Dale Maggee]

Tom Yates wrote:
> using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and
> 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of 
> friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in 
> internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456).  that 
> way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in.
>
> but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just having 
> a local number (eg 07971 123456).
>
> these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that 
> happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the 
> contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... .
>
> a) do other people find this also?
>
> b) does this qualify as a bug?
>
> c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion 
> aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug 
> tracker?
>   
a) yes, I see the same thing. My workaround: Add the number in both 
formats to the contact (although this isn't strictly neccessary, because 
in AU on the vodafone network numbers seem to appear in the 
international format, so if the number is in the contact in the 
international format it generally works)

b) I'd call it a bug, or maybe a "feature"...

c) not exclusive to qtopia (I'm using 2007.2), but I suspect that it's a 
bug/feature common to more than one set of dialer / messaging / contacts 
programs, although I may be wrong.

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Re: some hardware suggestions

[Dale Maggee]

Nishit Dave wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>   
>> - "Genuine People Personality" Module
>>
>> 
>
> Would you prefer "aaah...thanks for using me as your phone", or "life, don't
> talk on me about it" modes?
>
>   
I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny 
disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction 
to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably 
quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a 
self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;)


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Re: some hardware suggestions

[robin paulson]

Christ van Willegen wrote:
> (to both lists...)
> 
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself.  Which is why the
>> ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2].
> 
>> [1] http://www.glug-bom.org
>> [2] 
>> http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html
> 
> AFAIK, the data that was included in the AND donation to OSM The
> Netherlands includes India...

and china

china and india need lots of correction/tidying work though; some of the 
roads are a long way off

plus, new zealand have recently agreed to let their road and property 
databases be included

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Re: OpenMoko & ATT plans (Semi OT)

[Kevin Brewster]

I am currently using (for the past 3 weeks) the ATT GoPhone Pick Your
Plan. 

My experience: 

I was using an old T-Mobile phone with T-Mobile Pre-Paid service and
incorrectly assumed that I could not use the T-Mobile SIM card with the
Freerunner...

I went to Att's web site, signed up for a $39.99/month plan which
included 300 anytime minutes and 500 night and weekend minutes,
unlimited M2M, nationwide long distance, and rollover balance. I ordered
a pretty sweet Quad-band Pantech C120 phone for $24.99 ($100 online
instant rebate or something) so I could have a backup phone.

ATT's gophone plans seem pretty reasonable - you can
upgrade/downgrade/cancel your plan at any point (obviously taking effect
the next monthly cycle).

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/go-phones/index.jsp


I got the freerunner and the ATT phone and the ATT sim card all on the
same day. The ATT SIM worked perfectly with both phones. The T-Mobile
SIM worked with the freerunner except I couldn't see all my contacts.
After searching many hours on google for a way to unlock the pantech
phone, I just called ATT and asked them for it - and they gave it to me,
no questions asked. 

I could then pop the T-mobile SIM into the pantech, copy my contacts to
the phone and then back to the SIM, and then I could see all my contacts
on the freerunner. 

So now I have a T-Mobile SIM and an ATT SIM, both work with both phones.
I can make phone calls no problem, can text no problem. 

By no problem I mean the phone calls go through - not that the quality
is any good. People on the other end complain of echoing or wierd
high-pitched noises. Plus the default volume is much too low. But
hopefully these issues will be resolved in time.

I have not even attempted to get GPS working BTW.


On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 19:15 -0700, Rodney Myers wrote:
> I'm anxiously waiting for my phone (Thanks NYC), and for my contract  
> with verizon to finally expire next month.
> 
> When I switch to ATT, only GSM provider that has decent coverage in my  
> area, I was wondering what plans this groups uses, to get the most out  
> of the phone?
> 
> Basic phone service, SMS/text messages, and I like the GPS feature.
> 
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Re: OpenMoko & ATT plans (Semi OT)

[Kevin Brewster]

I am currently using (for the past 3 weeks) the ATT GoPhone Pick Your
Plan. 

My experience: 

I was using an old T-Mobile phone with T-Mobile Pre-Paid service and
incorrectly assumed that I could not use the T-Mobile SIM card with the
Freerunner...

I went to Att's web site, signed up for a $39.99/month plan which
included 300 anytime minutes and 500 night and weekend minutes,
unlimited M2M, nationwide long distance, and rollover balance. I ordered
a pretty sweet Quad-band Pantech C120 phone for $24.99 ($100 online
instant rebate or something) so I could have a backup phone.

ATT's gophone plans seem pretty reasonable - you can
upgrade/downgrade/cancel your plan at any point (obviously taking effect
the next monthly cycle).

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/go-phones/index.jsp


I got the freerunner and the ATT phone and the ATT sim card all on the
same day. The ATT SIM worked perfectly with both phones. The T-Mobile
SIM worked with the freerunner except I couldn't see all my contacts.
After searching many hours on google for a way to unlock the pantech
phone, I just called ATT and asked them for it - and they gave it to me,
no questions asked. 

I could then pop the T-mobile SIM into the pantech, copy my contacts to
the phone and then back to the SIM, and then I could see all my contacts
on the freerunner. 

So now I have a T-Mobile SIM and an ATT SIM, both work with both phones.
I can make phone calls no problem, can text no problem. 

By no problem I mean the phone calls go through - not that the quality
is any good. People on the other end complain of echoing or wierd
high-pitched noises. Plus the default volume is much too low. But
hopefully these issues will be resolved in time.

I have not even attempted to get GPS working BTW.


On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 19:15 -0700, Rodney Myers wrote:
> I'm anxiously waiting for my phone (Thanks NYC), and for my contract  
> with verizon to finally expire next month.
> 
> When I switch to ATT, only GSM provider that has decent coverage in my  
> area, I was wondering what plans this groups uses, to get the most out  
> of the phone?
> 
> Basic phone service, SMS/text messages, and I like the GPS feature.
> 
> Thanks
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Re: GTA04

[Nishit Dave]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Andreas Zuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Am Freitag, 29. August 2008 14.45:11 schrieb H.Hveem:
> > Does anyone know What kind of hardware will GTA04 have ?
> >
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> This is a common question on this list.
> I can only tell you the features i know for sure until now.
>
> known features of GTA04:
> - DBI (Direct Brain Interface)
> - trans warp gate projector
> - battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power
> - timemachine
> - build in stylus
>
> This will be a great new gadget! May be you can use it to travel two years
> into the future an ask about GTA10
>
> There is definitely a use for such questions - for sharpening your wit.
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Re: Numptyphysics on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Michael Kluge]

> I downloaded: 
http://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3943/numptyphysics_0.2_armel.deb

Won't work because they have a different CPU in the the n800/810. If I compile 
it for the FR with the same options used for the n800/810, it will crash due 
to an unknown instruction.

> I installed and it satisfy all dependencies except 2:
>
> libosso-email-interface
> libsdl1.2

Get the ipk (it's in the FSO repositories), extract and put things it into 
place. I have never done this myself, but might work.


Michael

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Re: GTA04

[Andreas Zuber]

Am Freitag, 29. August 2008 14.45:11 schrieb H.Hveem:
> Does anyone know What kind of hardware will GTA04 have ?
>
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This is a common question on this list.
I can only tell you the features i know for sure until now.

known features of GTA04:
- DBI (Direct Brain Interface)
- trans warp gate projector
- battery is replaced with a blackhole for infinite power
- timemachine 
- build in stylus

This will be a great new gadget! May be you can use it to travel two years 
into the future an ask about GTA10

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Re: some hardware suggestions

[Christ van Willegen]

(to both lists...)

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself.  Which is why the
> ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2].

> [1] http://www.glug-bom.org
> [2] 
> http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html

AFAIK, the data that was included in the AND donation to OSM The
Netherlands includes India...

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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

[Christ van Willegen]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Tom Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i'm not sure when the call log does the lookup - at time of call, or time of
> later examination of log - so i'm not sure that's a useful test.  i think my
> questions stand: does anyone else see this?

I also prefer having my contacts in international format, and for
people in smaller countries (like mine) it's more important that
this gets handled properly. For me, it's only 20 miles to get out of
the country, and I regularly make calls from abroad as well.

I agree, telephone number matching to contacts should be improved.

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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

[Risto H. Kurppa]

Yes, it's been a bit difficult to know if Any User is allowed to file
bugreps.. I know there has been some discussion that the track was
only an internal tool or something but it was more or less the only
place I found out to file bugs so I did.

One could just mail here what fails and.. that's it. Maybe a developer
reads it, maybe not. But I'd guess the track reports will be checked
sooner or later.

But yes, please do put this information in the track 'new ticket' page
so  person who goes there knows what's he/she supposed to be doing
before filing the ticket.


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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

[Tom Yates]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Nishit Dave wrote:

FWIW, I think phones normally check the last few digits of a phone 
number, and ignore the country code / area code part when looking up for 
contact name.  Are you sure this is not just an issue with delay in the 
dialer look up routine because of the call?  One way to check is if the 
name can be seen in your call logs.


i'm fairly sure it's not so.  i've just tested by editing the contact. the 
incoming call when the contact was listed as +441223... showed as coming 
from a 'phone number, but when i edited the contact entry to 01223..., the 
call showed as coming from my home 'phone.


i'm not sure when the call log does the lookup - at time of call, or time 
of later examination of log - so i'm not sure that's a useful test.  i 
think my questions stand: does anyone else see this?



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TangoGPS 0.9.3 released

[Risto H. Kurppa]

Marcus has released TangoGPS 0.9.3:

http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/26-tangoGPS-0.9.3-release.html

Digest of the changes:

* keyboard shortcuts for convenient use on a laptop or eeePC:

  space: toggle fullscreen
  a: autocenter on
  1,2,3,4: switch maps
  Page Up/Page down: zoom

* POIs can be deleted now
* POI entry can be in decimal, minutes and miutes/seconds, i.e.

  47°30'30.5"
  47°30.5567'
  47.1234567

* three repositories by default
* default map directory no longer /tmp but in home directory
* a marker get set when setting your position manually
* a line gets painted from a manual position to 'this point' for
easy distance measuring
* missing tiles get now correctly handled, no more garbled screen
* translations: Russian, Finnish, Czech
* and many more code improvements...



Thanks, way to go Marcus!

Would there now be some time to start a mailing list for interested
users & developers and also a SVN or BZR or.. repository..



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Re: GTA04

[Minh Ha Duong]

H. Hveem: 

  You will find a more sympathetic audience in the #openmoko channel on the 
IRC server irc.freenode.net .

Minh

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GTA05 suggestions

[H.Hveem]

I suggest these names for GTA05
Neo Unity
Neo Meridian
Neo Elysian
Neo Gladsheim
Neo Ignis
Neo Yggdrasil



3GPP LTE Support ( via bluetooth ?)

Camera
Display
Multitouch screen

262k or 16.7M colors for displaying images and especially videos.

Distance sensing touchscreen ( can be operated with gloves )

Video acceleration

Hardware acceleration for video playback and 2D/3D acceleration



Transreflective screen


Input devices
Tablet PC like pen input (Wacom Technology)


Regular phone keypad


No Dependence on Stylus


QWERTY or Dvorák keyboard ( via usb )


D-Pad and Buttons

3 axis Accelerometer


Determine Position
Dynamic Screen Orientation

Side-Mounted Touch Strip

Digital compass

A digital compass is useful for orienting maps to the terrain and other
location/direction/orientation based applications (... is 300 meter that
way) when the user is standing still (regardless of GPS reception) and
for following a bearing when GPS reception is poor or speed is low. Also
could be used to make the accelerometer data more exact.



Auto Align Map
Thermometer


Barometer and Variometer (Altimeter) ( bluetooth or usb ? )

A Barometer measures air pressure. This can be used to give weather
information, and also as a variometer, to sense relative altitude.
Variometers are commonly used in flying microlight and ultralight
aircraft, to get accurate relative altitude.

These are also common on high end GPS units. This is a great feature for
walkers as you can tell how far you have got on any ascent/decent.





Light Sensor

Ability to sense ambient light, and act accordingly. i.e if it's 3am and
LightValue<.1 then Ring Quietly.



Make all unlocking of phone, password protected


Storage
MMC/SD/SDIO slot (rather than?) miniSD or microSD
SDHC compatible.

Micro SDHC for /home partition. Keep like current design underneath SIM


Local Communication

NFC ( Near Field Communication ) chip
USB
5V Powered, to avoid having to carry around a hub for when you want to
occasionally plug in a memory stick.
USB 2.0
Protection against incorrectly wired USB ports: some USB ports are wired
incorrectly; if the +5V and GND are swapped, the device would get -5V
when it's expecting +5V, which could burn some chips. A reverse-biased
diode between +5V and GND, D+ and GND, D- and GND, and (if used) ID and
GND, with a low enough forward voltage drop (to limit the negative
voltages to what the chips can withstand), would protect the device by
tripping the port's short circuit protection.
SIR/FIR transceiver (Serial Infrared) / IR remote control

Output devices
LED
The Neo1973 GTA02 will have LEDs of some sort behind at least one
button. [1]
For example a multicolor LED which pulses yellow for GSM/GPRS transmit,
blue for Bluetooth/Wifi, green to indicate non-urgent information -
missed call etc, red to indicate battery low or other urgent notices.
The LED and button ideas could be combined: illuminated buttons.
It must be possible to completely disable the LED to save power or other
personal preferences.

Flashlight ( high output LED )
For finding keys, or any other application. May also optionally pulse in
time with ring, to make phone more visible. This is really well done in
Nokia 5500.







HAC Compliance ( telecoil )


Mobile Communication options

UMA/GAN
Evolved UMTS Terrestrial Radio Access (E-UTRA)
GSM/GPRS
quad-band EDGE
UMTS -  HSDPA (asia)





Dedicated Power / Charger Pinout


GLONASS/GPS receiver
A multi-standard satellite positioning module would be nice.


X10 RF Remote

RFID tag/RFID Reader


Standard 3.5mm headphone jack



Software should know of the jack status

faster boot time
A boot time of a minute is WAY to long!


Vibration

Instead of using a counter-weighted motor to provide a vibrate function,
a small solenoid could be used.It would provide more of a tap or click
feel. It could be used to provide feedback when a on screen button is
pressed. Different patterns of taps is a lot easier to recognize
compared to different vibration frequencies. For those who know morse
code they could have the phone tap out the phone number/name of the
person calling/messaging or other alerts.

Running without battery

Please make it possible to run the device without a battery inserted
(with the charger attached).

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Re: GTA04

[Daniel Benoy]

Anyone know what they're planning to put in GTA279?

If it doesn't brain into cyberspace then what the hell??  Is this supposed to 
be your iPhone v73 killer?

On Friday 29 August 2008 08:53:15 Fox Mulder wrote:
> There is no GTA03 so why ask about GTA04?
> 
> These kind mails just fills the list up with nonsense mails which i have
> to filter out afterwards. This is really annoying.
> Sorry if i say it so directly, but this is what i think about it. :/
> 
> H.Hveem wrote:
> > Does anyone know What kind of hardware will GTA04 have ?
> > 
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Re: gprs and gsm0710muxd

[Geoff Ruscoe]

>
> And one last thing it looks like option 2 (multiplex with no gui) does not
> need the gsm.*muxd from the other site, is this correct?
> I'm going to try that route and see how it goes.
>
>
First note:

opkg install gsm0710muxd (from the std 2008.08-updates) does not create an
/etc/init.d/gsm0710muxdso option 2 doesn't seem to work out of the box on
2008.08-updates...

More info to follow
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gprs and gsm0710muxd

[Geoff Ruscoe]

So I was getting ready to update my 2008.08-update with the gprs and gsm
multiplexing.

Just as a note it sounds like this might be necessary in order to get the
"ECHO" fix using the hidden
AT%N0187 command anyway... but that another thread...

Anyway I was wondering if we knew that the gsm0710muxd from the updates
would still not work.
Also do we know if the instructions at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS

And one last thing it looks like option 2 (multiplex with no gui) does not
need the gsm.*muxd from the other site, is this correct?
I'm going to try that route and see how it goes.
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Re: contacts: lookup on incoming call

[Nishit Dave]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Tom Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and
> 20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of
> friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in
> internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456).  that
> way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in.
>
> but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just having
> a local number (eg 07971 123456).
>
> these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that
> happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the
> contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... .
>
> a) do other people find this also?
>
> b) does this qualify as a bug?
>
> c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion
> aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug
> tracker?
>
> FWIW, I think phones normally check the last few digits of a phone number,
and ignore the country code / area code part when looking up for contact
name.  Are you sure this is not just an issue with delay in the dialer look
up routine because of the call?  One way to check is if the name can be seen
in your call logs.
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Re: GTA04

[Fox Mulder]

There is no GTA03 so why ask about GTA04?

These kind mails just fills the list up with nonsense mails which i have
to filter out afterwards. This is really annoying.
Sorry if i say it so directly, but this is what i think about it. :/

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Re: Sold out ahh

[Shawn Thompson]

Well I placed my order with Koolu, should be here within the next 2 weeks I
hope.

-Shawn

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:56 AM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's
>  in
>  the pictures :(
> >>> could you post a link to that pics?
> >>> i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in
> >>> "lanyard hole")
> >>
> >> Don't tell me we forgot to ship you the lanyard hole! That would be a
> >> severe oversight on our part.
>
> well, that would be comparably easy to fix, wouldn't it?
>
> > Forgot to add that if we did, let me know - I think I have a spare one
> > in my pocket :-)
>
> you got a lanyard hole in your pocket? who's your tailor?
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Re: some hardware suggestions

[Nishit Dave]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Christ van Willegen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Would you prefer "aaah...thanks for using me as your phone", or "life,
> don't
> > talk on me about it" modes?
>
>
> This is where location-aware (preferably in 4D) comes in. "Hey, you're
> close to the supermarket, and it's open, and you need (these)
> groceries". All this preferably e-spoken, ofcourse...
>

Yes.  And then we can sample our wives' voices to use with festival?


>
> This is where a _good_ OpenStreetMap comes in. You'll need a map that
> is as correct as possible, and with as many POI's on it as possible.
> Get your government to open up its road database. It's already being
> done in Europe, and the USA has already donated its Tiger database as
> well.
>

We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself.  Which is why the
ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2].

Yours truly may be witnessed in the list - complaining about the FR.  I
really would love to see (a) reliable phone functions, and (b) GPRS GUI
working so I can exploit the FR's tremendous potential.

[1] http://www.glug-bom.org
[2]
http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html
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contacts: lookup on incoming call

[Tom Yates]

using ASU (specifically, 20080826-asu-stable-uImage.bin and
20080827-asu-stable-rootfs.jffs2) i have a contacts database full of 
friends, imported via vcard, in which almost all the phone numbers are in 
internationally-qualified form (eg fred friend, +44 7971 123456).  that 
way, i can dial them whatever country i happen to be in.

but when i'm in the UK, and a UK call comes in, it shows up as just having 
a local number (eg 07971 123456).

these two numbers are functionally the same, but the contacts-lookup that 
happens won't identify the caller as fred friend unless i edit the 
contacts entry to say 07971... rather than +447971... .

a) do other people find this also?

b) does this qualify as a bug?

c) if so, is it a qtopia bug, and therefore (if i follow the discussion 
aright) not something that should be entered into the openmoko bug 
tracker?


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GTA04

[H.Hveem]

Does anyone know What kind of hardware will GTA04 have ?


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Numptyphysics on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Michele Renda]

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Hi All

I am tring to install numptyphysics in my FR with Debian and XFCE.

I downloaded:

http://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3943/numptyphysics_0.2_armel.deb


I installed and it satisfy all dependencies except 2:

libosso-email-interface
libsdl1.2

I found a lbsdl1.2debian. Someone know how to continue?

Thank you to all

Michele Renda
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Re: some hardware suggestions

[Alexey Kurochkin]

On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 07:04 -0400, Charles Pax wrote:

> CoffeeMachine, Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an
> application.

I would call it Garçon.


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Re: Echo issue on OM2008.08 potentially solved

[Florian Hackenberger]

On Friday 29 August 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Lorn Potter wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Will this patch make it upstream?
> > It will be in 4.4 yes. I haven't yet put it in 4.3.x snapshots.
> Ah, and does this also then apply to om2008 though? Or is this an
> FSO/Qtopia only patch?

Hmm...I'm glad to see that people are keen on integrating patches, but 
just as a reminder...there is no patch yet :-)

Lorn: Have you got one ready? Fancy sharing it with us?

Cheers,
Florian

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Re: some hardware suggestions

[Christ van Willegen]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Would you prefer "aaah...thanks for using me as your phone", or "life, don't
> talk on me about it" modes?

I was listening to Fit the First and Fit the Second yesterday and
today, but both modes don't 'do it' for me...

I'd rather have a mode that... just works.

This is where location-aware (preferably in 4D) comes in. "Hey, you're
close to the supermarket, and it's open, and you need (these)
groceries". All this preferably e-spoken, ofcourse...

This is where a _good_ OpenStreetMap comes in. You'll need a map that
is as correct as possible, and with as many POI's on it as possible.
Get your government to open up its road database. It's already being
done in Europe, and the USA has already donated its Tiger database as
well.

Christ van Willegen
-- 
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Re: /etc/opkg

[John Whitmore]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> John Whitmore wrote:
>   
>> Anyhow my problem is that I really want to understand this directory's 
>> contents as with so many distributions available and so many different 
>> repositories It would seem all too easy to mess up my current happy 
>> position with the default Raster build. I'm not sure about doing a opkg 
>> update, or upgrade or anything as yet.
>>
>> If anybody can point me to some useful information that would be great. 
>> I tried the wiki and man opkg on the FR but that was being optimistic;-)
>>   
>> 
>
> I installed the raster build this morning which included all the 
> relevant feeds for au stable. I've opkg updated and upraded with no 
> issues, well, outside the usual glitches you find in om2008.
>
> All the repos provided in the image I obtained were for 
> downloads.openmoko.org which is the currently active branch. It appears 
> the image is only modified in so far as the scripts and configuration so 
> as long a you don't overwrite configs, everything stays the same. That 
> may not be true in the future but it seems to be fine now.
>
> Just make sure your feeds are for downloads.openmoko.org and aren't 
> pointing to testing and you should be right.
>
> In the end, this is an educated guess so YMMV. No one has actually 
> confirmed any of this since I've been listening in.
>
> Sarton
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Thanks for getting back to me on this. I'll maybe try what you suggest 
but I'd like to understand that directory and it's contents. At present 
when I did the install I'd about five files in there and apart from the 
arch I don't know what any are supposed to do. I read a previous email 
here on Raster's build which said:

 >2. Add zecke's testing repository : create a /etc/opkg/updates.conf
 >containing
 >
 >src/gz daily-all-updates
 >http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/all
 >src/gz daily-armv4t-updates
 >http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/armv4t
 >src/gz daily-neo1973-updates
 >http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973
 >src/gz daily-om-gta02-updates
 >http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/om-gta02


I moved all the other files in /etc/opkg to a backup directory and just 
used the ones mentioned above. Unfortunately none seemed to pull in 
anything but I'll have to check this again later as my internet 
connection might have been off. I'll include the au stable and see what 
that gives me.

I'll try edit the wiki page with the only information I know which is 
that the arch file should not be moved ;-)

John

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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

[Geoff Ruscoe]

(Don't expect the community to understand what you can't sort out
> yourself (put information in the right place))
>
>
How about adding a link at the bottom of the front page of the wiki, next to
the forums links.

A "File Bugs" link that takes you to a page with everything you need to know
in order to file the bugs, search the bugs, etc.
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Re: 2008.8 update

[Nishit Dave]

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Fredrik Wendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> fre 2008-08-29 klockan 16:44 +0530 skrev Nishit Dave:
> > Actual usability of basic phone functions should be tested thoroughly
> > before release.  I use a MotoRokr E6 as my regular phone, and find the
> > huge difference in the usability of the EZX interface and whatever I
> > have seen here to be insurmountable.  Yeah, of course, Motorola does
> > not release EZX as open source.
>
> OpenMoko doesn't release the software as "complete" either - you bought
> hardware with incomplete software.
>
> I'm confident they'll adress that in time. If you can't wait you're
> supposed to open the source and dig in yourself. That's just the way
> things are (and looking at the amount of traffic you've added to this
> list you should know by now).
>
> / Fredrik, still using a SonyEricsson phone as phone (playing with FR)
>
> If I could code 2 lines to save my life, don't you think I would be doing
something now?  I usually keep on asking questions, and try to help other
more clueless beings with my limited knowledge (e.g. on LUGs).
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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

[Fredrik Wendt]

fre 2008-08-29 klockan 18:36 +0800 skrev regina:

> Please Read this first  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bug_Filing_Policy

I'm sorry to say that the Trac is in a mess (I understand that you think
it is, I partly do to) but there's been a constant lack of clear
information on where and how to file bugs/issues.

I'm also sorry to ask why this information still isn't on
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/newticket - isn't that where it should've
be in the very first place?

(Don't expect the community to understand what you can't sort out
yourself (put information in the right place))

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Re: 2008.8 update

[Fredrik Wendt]

fre 2008-08-29 klockan 16:44 +0530 skrev Nishit Dave:
> Actual usability of basic phone functions should be tested thoroughly
> before release.  I use a MotoRokr E6 as my regular phone, and find the
> huge difference in the usability of the EZX interface and whatever I
> have seen here to be insurmountable.  Yeah, of course, Motorola does
> not release EZX as open source.

OpenMoko doesn't release the software as "complete" either - you bought
hardware with incomplete software.

I'm confident they'll adress that in time. If you can't wait you're
supposed to open the source and dig in yourself. That's just the way
things are (and looking at the amount of traffic you've added to this
list you should know by now).

/ Fredrik, still using a SonyEricsson phone as phone (playing with FR)


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caught again by the 2007.2 dialler

[William Kenworthy]

Just got caught again by the 2007.2 dialler - on voicemail I was
expected to hit keys to delete messages etc, but the display is blank.
it wasnt even possible to hang up - I ended up pulling the battery!  Now
I have to go find another phone to put the sim into to sort out the
voicemail.

Is there a solution?

BillK


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Re: QtGps for Trolltechs Qtopia

[Radek Bartoň]

Dne Thursday 28 of August 2008 01:29:54 Jim Morris napsal(a):
> Now with github goodness ;)
>
> I have created a github repository for this, in the hopes we can grow it
> into a useful tool.
>
> http://github.com/wolfmanjm/qtopiagps
>
> I have also written a blog entry on ho wto setup the toolchain for Qtopia..
>
> http://blog.wolfman.com/articles/2008/08/27/porting-xgps-to-qtopia-for-the-
>freerunner
>
> Oh and the name is now qtopiagps, as there was already a qtgps.

Do anyone have compiled package for share? Otherwise I would need to make one 
just to try an application :-). Thanks.

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Faculty of Information Technology
Department of Computer Graphics and Multimedia
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