hat you're doing with them .. so how about telling us old-
timers just waking up what the current 'nicest OS' for the Freerunner
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just delete /dev/input/mice before you start X (e.g. add rm -f
> /dev/input/mice it to /etc/rc.local).
Does this just mean there's a bug that prevents X apps from running,
or is it the case that you can't run X windows apps on Qt? I don't
quite understand the situation but t
less/Bluetooth connections to share the Internet
over the Freerunner - is this possible yet, or is it still pretty much
a difficult thing to set up? I've been quite spoiled with my Android
phone tethering for all my devices - if the Freerunner could do this
easily enough (is there a GUI?) t
On Mar 8, 2010, at 1:20 AM, Brolin Empey wrote:
> I vote for QtMoko! :)
Checking it out now! Thanks for the tip!
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mehow, and if so: which distro has the easiest-to-use USB Host
capabilities?
Sorry for these dumb questions, btw .. I'm just trying to get my
Freerunner into some useful context in my life, and if I could get it
set up with USB Host capabilities that'd be pretty good right now ..
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> done on kernel level and is controlled by two sysfs nodes.
Great - thanks for the information! I'll go get myself a USB Hub and
fire up the soldering iron some time this week .. hope I can share
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On Jan 17, 2008, at 11:08 AM, john wrote:
On the topic of events ...
I was wondering if anyone in this community would like to have
regular meetings here in Vienna, Austria, to discuss OpenMoko stuff?
We could do it weekly at MetaLab: http://metalab.at
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l the details
yet).
FWIW, I have my neo1973 currently set up with a full python
environment, and even use a BT keyboard to hack code on the machine
itself. This works flawlessly and is a great - and I mean *great* -
python setup.
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This is what I've currently got on my OM:
i would dearly love to have pyglet, personally ..
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and be absolutely sure that we'll get the news as soon as things are
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en VM just solves the problem
entirely and gives adequate performance to boot. its like carrying
around a mac and a linux box in the same machine ..
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Program can be downloaded here:
http://magicErmine/downloads.html
This is great! I wonder if we can use this to finally package up the
gps stuff and make it an easily-installed package .. ?
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contribute more work to
getting BT devices working.
FWIW, I use my moko with my apple BT keyboard, and it rocks. Best
little combination of accessories, ever! :)
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s a rockin' combo
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(10 factorial) seconds is exactly 42 days, heh heh. (Google
calculator was handy.)
Neat. 42, the answer once again. :)
.. especially appropriate since the question is, of course "what is
gods phone number?", thank you deep thought ..
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its also 'booger' in spanish ..
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s a euphemistic pronunciation of 'bugger'."
booger as in snot as in nose-crusty. so, yes, that bulging device in
your pocket is an open booger .. ;)
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You folks are freaking me out. Outside of tracking people, any other
ideas for why you'd want this?
reality-based games.
pathfinding.
picnics.
parties in the desert. etc.
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Or something like the locator in the Alien movie...
I'd really love to integrate the neo1973's GPS into the urban
takeover game:
http://urbantakeover.at/
With a pretty onboard interface and realtime updates, of course ..
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I have 5 cell phones that need to be recycledwhat a waste.
Find dev-kits for them and build apps with them ..
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atically load files based on where you
were at - so that, when I open my sequencer app and the GPS sees that
I'm jamming at my friend Stans place, it already loads the last files
I had open when I was there last, and when I'm at home, it loads a
diffe
a replacement for my current USB HDSPA dongle, which sucks the
cool out of my EEEPC by giving me a dongly tether to deal with on the
train. It'd be much better if my EEEPC could talk wirelessly to my
OM phone, and have the OM phone be the Internet router I've always
dr
got my neo1973 glommed to my Apple
BT wireless keyboard, and I have to say it is one of the happiest
hacking terminals I've had in a long time. W00t.
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Indeed, just imagine running vi on a phone!! The ultimate!
Eildert
I have it running right now, color syntax, cscope integration, the
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And then there also is a hardware solutions. A very generic one,
available in
any half-decent hardware store. I think they call 'm "cutting
pliers" and
will make sure those leds will never be turned on again...
I've got DuctTape 1.0 running on mine, it fixes the LE
there is a plan to get our OpenMoko user group days fixed and
happening on a regular basis too ..
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Why is this not linked from the Group Sales page on the openmoko
wiki? :)
Coz nobody has done it yet! :)
Spread the word a bit? :)
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spite of external appearances, even the GUI is horrendously ugly too ..
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to my Freerunner, I would. And I'd watch them for regular updates too.
For example, I'm considering firing up an Openmoko repository - known
and public - for music apps for the OpenMoko suite ..
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know that software doesn't exist today.
Two ways to accomplish this:
1. use gadget_storage on the neo/freerunner
2. use usb-networking + samba on the neo/freerunner
My vote goes for option #2, since this also allows us to continue to
support ssh'ing to the p
he image makers out there might
be pushing things in interesting territories already .. so how about
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openmoko hardware? make a synthesizer platform. yes please, i'll
take 2,000, thanks.
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> Sounds interesting. Will you be doing this through cables or IR with
> a device similar to the one
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ome exciting apps being written
for it, in the music-making department, and they work very well. Some
of these apps will make their way over to OM once Freerunner starts
getting a little traction, I imagine ..
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synth/music-making
platform worth pocketing! Finally! :)
> I have seen the synth section of mini tamtam on olpc (using csound
> with
> python bindings) and was blown away.
It doesn't take much to make music these days..
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uld help us developers a great deal. As
it is right now its very difficult to release an app for OM, not
knowing what image is going to be used.
This image fracture is damage.
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> Maybe when I get time I'll take a freerunner up to my friends at Emu
> and see
> what ideas they come up with.
Do it! See if they'll port a few of their apps to it for us .. ;)
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ARM farms out there on the end of peoples arms ..
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l antenna it easily finds a lot more
>> satellites and connects withing 40 to 50 seconds.
> In Costa Rica I have never been able to get a fix. I never tried for
> longer than half an hour though.
> And I haven't tried with an antenna either. I should get on
> At the moment my FR is travelling to me, so I'm looking for a good
> portable bluetooth keyboard.
> What do you think about BT KB? what about Nokia SU-8W?
>
I had some great sessions with my Apple Wireless KB and the neo1973 ..
> Afaik raster was working on a magic keyboard that had all sorts of
> cool features.
hope he releases it soon!
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qwerty keyboard for that reason.
> clare
Once upon a time the terminal app in openmoko worked great for this,
if you had a bluetooth keyboard wired up. that stopped working
recently though, bummer ..
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> Thus, I tried to resolve my own confusion by creating this wiki page:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images
>
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> Come on. Could you please all stop abusing this mailing list to track
> your orders?
> What do _we_ have to do with your order?
>
aren't you interested in how enthusiastic your peers are to catch up
with those of you that have the nice hardware and are happily hacking
hat
its difficult to track deliveries at my work address, and some
prediction would help me not pester people downstairs at the wrong
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> http://www.mamereplay.net/neo1973/
>
awesome! i'm going to do that too .. maybe make up a very simple PCB
for it .. could this be the beginning of some interesting work in the
case-design/snap-in accessory boards aftermarket?
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> Yes! I've got mine!
> (From http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner)
> Jan.
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> At what point did you pay Pulster? I placed the order, but have not
> received payment instructions.
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I think it would be easy to go from your guide to
an automatic web-page/script that makes it easier for people to do
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t. there is a huge
market for this precise kind of custom-application vendor service in
the corporate world.
and so this is -precisely- why motorola and co., are defending their
hardware base. open source is nothing without silicon.
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s, but the
rule is if you don't see one released with a new .jffs2/.tar.gz image,
use the latest one before it .. not all releases need a kernel update,
just a new filesystem tweak or two ..
> Is this information on the wiki somewhere and I just missed it?
>
Do a se
best way to utilize lotsa
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hink any of this is as easily approachable as it would be if it
were all put under a single umbrella that is a bit more of an
'openmoko pop culture' site than what we've got right now ..
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to request this data from the module so it
> can be
> saved before shutdown. 'Driver' probably isn't the right word.
So we just need to wrap 'save' and 'restore' scripts around the gpsd
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> listen only to the usb.
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Set your own root password. Fixed.
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contributed to with stories and articles and whatnot, it would help a
great deal.
I will continue to glean info from the mailing lists, and in a little
while will consider setting up mokofanboix.org, and maybe take it from
there .. unless someone else is more qual
#x27;m
> only mentioning it as a possible guide.
Yeah, so lets maybe consider setting this up then in the near future.
I'll be able to do more on this when I get my Freerunner and catch up
with the rest of you guys on where things stand ..
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> The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if
> it's mounted or in use, it just has to sit in the socket.
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> On the 1973?!
Yup.
> None of us can confirm this, our 1973 are mostly ok, only the
> Freerunners make problems.
I do not have a Freerunner yet. But for sure, without the SD card in,
GPS seems to acquire faster.
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#x27;ve gotten used to waiting 10 minutes or so before I start the
trace ..
> No Freerunner yet, so can't comment there.
>
Same here, hopefully mine will arrive soon and I can elevate my
attention to Freerunner and leave the neo1973 in the car. ;)
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on pipeline. We are really care about next revision and
> shipment of GTA02, we are really reading/fixing every mailing list
> issues that potentially cause problem to user.
>
Lets hope we can resolve this issue then. Thanks for your insight
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eems to be willing.
Well thats definitely a very nice proposal, but I would like to hold
off a bit on recreating a whole new wiki .. what I had in mind was
more of a blog/feed style site, not necessarily another wiki setup ..
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which I'm still going to get even though the GPS problems are a pain.
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itely do appreciate the values
of the wiki, and I look forward to its continual improvement. I hope
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d for a fix. stay tuned for further notice.
I certainly hope you can tune the GPS problems and make them go away.
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p that whining :-)
I think you mean 'solution to the GPS problem'. Nothing else is going
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ne of the great things about Freerunner on
'paper', and now its not so useful after all. I would be really
turned off if the same thing happened to GPS.
So, yes, please tune us into the fix when you've got one. But in the
m
as simple as testing GPS with the SD Card in the phone
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> However,.. one must really think why this problem didn't turn out in
> the
> factory tests :-(
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> Well a device not starting on a full battery is to be considered
> broken and
> should be sent in for repair. My 2 cent.
>
The question - asked a few times already - is *where* do we send
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e to those who
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> To say the true I never saw a firm to admit the problem and to start
> to
> work for a fix in 11h!
Please do not ignore the fact that GPS has been complained about for
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If I can't use SD+GPS, its a no-brainer: Freerunner is no longer
qualified for my project. Having spent a year on OpenMoko, thats
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ard to fix this.
Its really important that the hardware-testing faults get addressed on
this issue. Especially if I'm about to order 20 of these things, and
then suffer a lynching because I didn't tell everyone involved that OM
have fault
For
example, the SettingsGUI progress was awesome, maybe because its
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loped in an open fashion
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> the
> title "wiki" to be set up. Please each of you indicate your agreement
> (or not) on the following list:
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