arne anka writes:
>> Yes, but I'd like it to use DHCP for its usb IP address, as well.
>
>what stops you? the dhcp client will overwrite resolv.conf, then.
This is actually a reprise of a discussion a week or so ago -- as a
matter of fact, that is what I do. But, since it's not set up that way
in
ian douglas writes:
>Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Much better to get resolv.conf, along with IP address, from DHCP.
>
>Typically, I'd agree -- except the Freerunner doesn't get its IP from
>DHCP for the USB port, which is where pretty much all of the DNS
>questions co
Brian C writes:
>Suggestion:
>
>The rootfs should contain a resolv.conf that lists some
>publicly-available dns servers so that people with new FreeRunners would
>have a chance of getting net access without editing that file first.
>
>Despite clear instructions on the wiki, this issue continues to
Mikko Rauhala writes:
>pe, 2008-07-11 kello 15:17 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer kirjoitti:
>> Well... using an inode-based filesystem like ext2 or ext3 is a really
>> bad idea, since you end up rewriting some of the blocks a *lot*.
>> Journalling the metadata, as ext3 does it, does m
Andrew Bennett writes:
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> Federico Lorenzi wrote:
>> > Makes sense, ext3 is journaled, and using a journaling FS on flash
>> > memory is generally a bad idea. Could you also try ext2?
>>
>> Sorry, I'm not up to speed o
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes:
>Fwiw, my take on that is @
>http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/
Very good summary -- I'd really like to see the 2007.2 stack on top of
FSO...
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Esben Stien writes:
>"Ron K. Jeffries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> the rationale for the decision to switch from the original GTK based
>> OpenMoko
>
>There will be a fork here at one point. There's a good bunch of us who
>wants a standard GTK+ environment as the main guis' for the
>phone. The
I for one definitely prefer GTK: as a toolkit I know and like it (in
fairness I haven't developed for qt -- I have GTK and especially
GTKmm), but in general I find I prefer the "look" of GTK-based apps
better).
I also felt the direction the phone was moving up until the ASU was
looking very good
Guys, this is really, really off-topic in this forum. Please, the
list traffic is heavy enough with items that are germaine, let's not
get into this branch of politics
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Atilla Filiz writes:
>Look who are sued:
>Palm, Nokia, Aplle, Dell...
>I thought most of them were doing this for years. :P
Any fisherman will tell you that you don't start reeling in when the
fish first nibbles the hook, you wait until they've had time to really
take a solid bite.
Patent trolls
Ortwin Regel writes:
>Pah, mailing lists are for old people. :P
Get off my lawn, youngster!
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Leonti Bielski writes:
>Hi!
>I was wondering - why are we not using forum for community?
>It's much better to view, you can subscribe and unsubscribe to the
>topics you want and etc.
>The main
>Personally I don't like mailing list because it's not that comfortable
>and I can see no advatages of us
Kevin Dean writes:
>On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Because the price of the "free" phone is bundled into the price of the
>> contract.
>
>I don't think so. The only thing that changes in the deal is the
This is splitting hairs at a level the attorneys I know would be
embarrassed to be a part of.
Kevin Dean writes:
>On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Robert Taylor
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Kevin Dean wrote:
>>> I'm an American and your statement confuses me. Why is it "obvious"
>>> that a contr
Kevin Dean writes:
>On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> US. To me, it's quite obvious that a contract without a phone
>> *should* be cheaper, but that's a long way from "is" (it actually
>> worked out
Adilson Oliveira writes:
>
>I'm quite sure the answer is "no" but as I didn't find any definitive
>answer for that I decided to ask: does the openmoko hardware support 2
>SIM cards?
Not at the same time. Only one holder.
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Stroller writes:
>
>On 11 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>>
>> Did you get a lower price on your contract than you would have with a
>> phone? Yes, they would have let me pay for a subsidized phone without
>> giving me the phone...
>
>Where the heck ar
ian douglas writes:
>Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> when I went to get a sim card to use in my moko, I was
>> unable to find one without getting a subsidized phone to go with it.
>
>TMobile did this for me in about 15 minutes at one of their stores, and
>I didn't even have
Robert Taylor writes:
>
>If the moko was subsidized out of pocket expense would be less because
>the moko would be cheaper.
Well, yes, but when I went to get a sim card to use in my moko, I was
unable to find one without getting a subsidized phone to go with it.
So the economics (as I faced them
kosa writes:
>I myself use Icedove, wich is some kind of Debian
>fork of Firefox (somehow firefox logos and others
>were not "free enough" and the Debian team decided
>to use the source and but not the name. It was funny
>they named Icedove after Firefox). Anyway, I wonder
>if the engine regi
Chris Wright writes:
>Openmoko phones are as cheap as they are because they use commodity
>hardware, I'm given to understand. If you wanted a phone with open
>hardware, you'd probably be paying thousands for all the custom
>components. Plus there's testing and certification for various parts,
>whic
geek writes:
>Nokia N810 internet tablet...no openmoko...but mimo...good product with
>community support..
But no phone, if I understand correctly.
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steve writes:
>The stndard openmoko software has been frozen for RTM. a while back.
Which snapshot is that?
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elektrolott writes:
>I really don't understand you people.
>Instead of being happy that FIC sells their phones with a workable
>app stack so that you can actually use the phone to make phone calls
>and manage your contacts you rant here about toolkits although
>many people have made it very clear t
Michael Shiloh writes:
>I have had some further discussions with headquarters, and have edited
>my blog to try to explain the new software a little better. The
>important facts are that the new software:
>
>
> * Switches the Window Manager from Matchbox to Enlightenment (E17)
> * Port
Michele Renda writes:
>Roland Häder wrote:
>>> For the rest I am in accord to don't press them to ask always when it
>>> will come out...
>>>
>> "When it's done." ;)
>>
>When your wife is waiting for a child, I don't think the houseband ask:
>when it will come out? Why it is not already ou
Crane, Matthew writes:
>Yea, I got the 32 number from another wikipedia page, I didn't infer it
>from the name. I don't think it has much really to do with 32bits
>either for that matter, likely the "32" was entirely a marketing
>distinction.
No, the 32 means that the FAT entries are 32 bits (in
Michael Shiloh writes:
>
>Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Michael Shiloh writes:
>>> Way off-topic, but the best alarm clock I've ever seen is one that
>>> shoots a little flying disc out of the top when the alarm goes off. You
>>> have to get out of bed, fi
Michael Shiloh writes:
>Way off-topic, but the best alarm clock I've ever seen is one that
>shoots a little flying disc out of the top when the alarm goes off. You
>have to get out of bed, find the disc (perhaps this would encourage my
>daughter to clean up her room before going to bed?), and in
ian douglas writes:
>That's a pretty slick video.
>
>I was thinking more of a top-down view of the wooden board that Joe sent
>the Amazon link for, since the Freerunner won't have the same slick 3D
>graphics that the Wii has ;o)
Absolutely -- the top-down view would add an incredible sense of
re
ian douglas writes:
>Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> http://www.amazon.com/none-CAR190-Labyrinth/dp/B0ISLL
>
>
>Yeah, that's exactly the game I'm thinking of. I imagine implementing
>the physics of it (roll the ball faster the more you tilt) might be a
>bit tricky,
ian douglas writes:
>There's another real-world game involving getting a marble through a
>maze without dropping through holes by tilting the maze-board to get the
>marble to the end of the maze.
http://www.amazon.com/none-CAR190-Labyrinth/dp/B0ISLL
>Sounds like it'd be a good game for acce
steve writes:
>haha. this will make you laugh.
Not if you're a fisherman... though I've got rod holders I like a lot
better.
>Like this in miniature mounted vertically on the back panel. backwoods geek!
>
>http://www.rodmounts.com/
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Michael Shiloh writes:
>How about a stylus holder for the rear window of your pickup truck?
It's jest a real BIG stylus
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Mark writes:
>This is a problem with the Nokia Internet Tablets as well. The main
>feature of the USB-OTG spec is that it *automatically* puts the device
>in host mode when the cable is inserted. (OTG compliant devices also
>allow swapping host & peripheral modes at any time during the
>connection,
thomasg writes:
>In IRC we were wondering why the Freerunner, being a USB-OTG-Host (according
>to the OTG spec),
Will Freerunner be OTG? NEO could do either host or device, but
didn't follow OTG spec to do it.
>only has a USB Mini-B interface (black jack).
>This means that only USB-Mini-B cable
"Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" writes:
>
>Mhmhmh I've tried the two demos (with mouse, of course), but I've
>some problems in writing on it... Expecially some "lateral" chars aren't
>writtable to me... To write a "c", for example, I've to make many tries,
>and I guess they should be really more
David Pottage writes:
>On Fri, April 11, 2008 3:57 pm, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>
>> ramsesoriginal writes:
>>
>>> [snip] ... I am speaking about the synchronization between the phone
>>> and other devise, could it be PC, a MAC, another phone, or even ju
ramsesoriginal writes:
>This topic was discussed a while ago, and I didn't heard anything
>about it since then (but since I missed a month or two it can already
>be clear by now.. I for myself don't know).
>I am speaking about the synchronization between the phone and other
>devise, could it be PC,
Ortwin Regel writes:
>On 4/11/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Friday 11 April 2008 03:12:45 Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> > It occurred to me as I was thinking about use cases that a setting in
>> > which the phone would be on vibra
Tim Shannon writes:
>Sounds like a good idea, except for people who carry their phone in a bag,
>but definitely useful as an option nonetheless.
Sure -- I was careful to say *my* use!
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It occurred to me as I was thinking about use cases that a setting in
which the phone would be on vibrate while vertical (as in clipped to
my belt) and ring when horizontal (as in lying on a table) would suit
my typical use about 99% of the time.
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Diego Fdez. Durán writes:
>
>On Tue, April 8, 2008 18:02, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Andy Green writes:
>>>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>>Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>>Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>>>| On ti, 2008-04-08 at 16:02 +0100,
Andy Green writes:
>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>Hash: SHA1
>
>Somebody in the thread at some point said:
>| On ti, 2008-04-08 at 16:02 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
>|> I think you're right, but just a thought if you could issue ready-coded
>|> GSM codec frames, you can put the data direct in th
Alexander Frøyseth writes:
>Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?
I've never heard any projection that openmoko was ever going to run on
400 or 500 MHz -- in fact, I'd never heard of that GSM band, and
googled to find it!
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Sebastian Billaudelle writes:
>> There is no such thing as an "USB 2.0 cable". It is called "USB
>> cable". There is no difference between a cable used for USB 1.0, 1.1
>> or 2.0.
>
>Yes, there is! With USB 1.x you afaik can use longer cables! But
>normally you are right. For normal use there is no
Alexander Fr?yseth writes:
>Why is it USB 1.1 on the neo, and not USB 2.0?
>It is cheaper to buy a USB 2.0 cable, than a card reader.
The processor on the neo isn't able to support 2.0.
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Paolo Cavallini writes:
>Vincent ha scritto:
>
>> Excellent! While I thought the Neo was an excellent device, I didn't
>> quite like the openness of the OS. You know, it adds security risks and
>> stuff.
>
>??
Congratulations -- you got one!
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Andy writes:
>
>Carbon Fiber can also be conductive and can create a Faraday cage, so be
>careful!
I'm actually trying to remember if I've ever seen transparent carbon
fiber...
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Nick Guenther writes:
>On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:02 PM, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 26 February 2008 17:46:28 Tilman Baumann wrote:
>> > Nils Faerber wrote:
>> > Fax is dead.
>> >
>>
>> yep, instead one should start to see printers with a built in mailing system
>>
I'd guess Chris Casual doesn't hate the command line, he or she isn't
aware that there is a command line. The Chrises of the world don't
really expect a good user manual, they expect to not need one.
JW writes:
>Hi All
>
>Do you have comments about the Wiki Personas now described here?
>
>http://
Nils Faerber writes:
>
>Isn't this already a problem?
>>From what I know especially in the US patent system you are *forced* to
>actively defend your patent, i.e. if you get to know that someone uses
>your patent and is not paying you roayalties (or you get an alternative
>commercial advantage like
Jonathan Spooner writes:
>So you want to patent any unique tech in the neo to prevent some scum
>from patenting your ideas then taking openmoko to court?
>
>Then just do it! Its in everyones interest not to see openmoko taken
>down so I'd imagine anyone here with an ounce of sense would not have
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>How about insted of worrying about the way it's encoded we just write
>it January
>1, 2008. I think that's pretty much standard.
In the US, it's standard. Pretty much any other place in the world,
it's non-standard.
The ISO representation is standard (by definition),
Lorn Potter writes:
>andy selby wrote:
>
>u, better programming API? ;)
No, openmoko uses GTK.
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Barry Steele writes:
>
>I am looking on the Openmoko site, but I would really appreciate any advice.
Take a look at the instructions at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko
(I noticed several people told you to flash it, but I didn't notice
anybody telling you how!)
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Michael Shiloh writes:
>
>Now what would a steampunk phone look like?
I really, really like what might be a called a "restrained steampunk"
style. Something like the existing black/silver case, with a wood
veneer in place of black and brass-bound for the silver.
_
Schmidt András writes:
>You are absolutely right! I couldn't catch any meaning of the post.
>Maybe the guy who wrote it should have some mental treatment. Or is it
>funny?
Looking at some other takezero.net posts, they all read like that.
Some of them (like
http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/
Schmidt András writes:
>In my opinion there is nothing that the root account can protect on a
>single user handheld device.
>Phones are normally used single user.
>When an application gets the rights for that user then it can access all
>personal information and all network resources (Wifi, GSM n
Maciej Kaniewski writes:
>...
>What you *CAN NOT* expect yet
>
> - reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI
> - reliable means of sending/receiving SMS, esp. not from the UI
> - integrated GPRS data access
> - bluetooth integration (basic bluez driver works)
> - proper p
What exactly do you mean by "noise"? I've noticed an objectionable
hum; is that it?
(just finding out what's been reported -- no, I don't have a fix)
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Gabriel Ambuehl writes:
>On Wednesday 26 December 2007 21:11:18 Michael Shiloh wrote:
>>
>> The main reason IIRC is that some of the chips came with NDAs that
>> prevent us from doing so.
>>
>You have chips in the case? oOOOo
Well, the original request was phrased strangely -- the case wouldn't
*h
Jay Vaughan writes:
>
>The question I have about this is how do we connect USB devices to
>the neo? Isn't it so that the USB Host port is only on the debug
>board? If so, thats mighty fidgety to plug in and get set up with a
>USB hub and so .. I must confess I have cursed at the ribbon cabl
Jay Vaughan writes:
>> Something I haven't investigated -- could the NEO do dhcp?
>
>
>yes - in fact i'm using this to avoid all the hassles with my
>network .. ipkg install udhcpd should give you what you need ..
Thanks -- I'll have to play with that.
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Ian Darwin writes:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too.
>> But I can't connect to the internet: ...
>
>We had two different responses:
>1) Mickey concluded it must be resolv.conf;
>2) Dr. Schaller concluded the notebook doesn't have
>IP forwarding turned o
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>I think so... neo's dns is 192.168.200.200
>
>Is it wrong?
Almost certainly. That's the DNS address I used, because I've got a
DNS server on my laptop. You should set NEO's DNS to the same DNS as
your laptop goes to.
Also -- make sure you've got ip forwarding and NA
If your network was 192.168.1.x to start with, you shouldn't have had
to modify that.
What exactly isn't working? Are you able to ping the phone from your
laptop? Does your laptop have a usb0 network device after plugging in
the NEO?
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Jay Vaughan writes:
>> My first problem when I tried setting up networking was that my home
>> network is 192.168.0.x, and of course the NEO wants 192.168.0.202. So
>> the first thing I did was to edit the NEO's /etc/network/interfaces to
>> use IP 192.168.200.202, with gateway 192.168.200.200. I
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>I have a neo1973 and I wish I could connect it to my Laptop in order
>to access the internet ( I use Ubuntu 7.10 ).
>I followed this page on the wiki
>http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking but nothing... my neo
>won't connect to the internet! Everything seems ok
GWMobile writes:
>I don't think discussing this here would be considered an open
>disclosure.
>Talking on a finite list or limited membership with moderation and thus
>controlled membership is not necessarily open disclosure and not the
>same as a public printing therefore I think it would still
flexd writes:
>If you just obey the law, when will they ever need to track you?
With an extreme effort of will, I'm not responding with a libertarian
post. Please, let's not go off into politics here
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Thanks for the update -- this is very helpful!
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Edwin Lock writes:
>Exactly, North America(and Canada) apparently uses 850/1800 and the rest of
>the world uses 900/1900.
>And without 850 you won't have coverage in North America in a lot of places,
>so practically it won't work.
>Lucky I like in the Netherlands:)
I thought US was 850/1900, ROTW
Joshua Layne writes:
>
>I see now that the openmoko.com page has been updated to state that it is a
>tri-band phone, not a quad-band phone - last night it clearly stated quad
>band.
>
>I just wish this had been clearly identified 3 or 4 months ago.
Maybe it says it some places --
http://openmoko.c
Michael Shiloh writes:
>>
>> How does the board layout affect the supported bands? Is it a jumper
>> or something?
>
>Would that it were a jumper. Unfortunately it's much more complicated:
>it's a combination of circuit, components, firmware, and certification.
Drat -- when firmware gets into i
Michael Shiloh writes:
>
>The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only
>support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the GTA01 board. Instead
>we support 900/1800/1900MHz.
How does the board layout affect the supported bands? Is it a jumper
or something?
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Lalo Martins writes:
>Also spracht Kero van Gelder (Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:03:08 +0200):
>>> I noticed that too. Maybe the panel applets process needs to run under
>>> a supervisor that will restart it?
>>
>> Nah, they (or one of them, since I think it's one application) should
>> simply not crash.
Doug Parker writes:
>Excuse my repeat request, but is there any way to add a blank newline after
>the SUBJECT: line in the email postings? It would make all of the lists a
>lot easier to scan.
In a word, no -- or if it is possible, it wouldn't be a good idea.
What you're asking for is special form
Interesting -- the numbers on my SIM are in a very different format
(four rows of 4 decimal digits each, followed by one row of three
decimal digits); what I take to be a version number (37.05A) is at a
90 degree angle to the others.
Jeff Andros writes:
>the numbers I see are:
>71234 O
> 4022
>
and update your sim number)
>the one I got middle of last month works... even with the 3G fireball on it
>
>On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> ian douglas writes:
>> >The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My
>>
ian douglas writes:
>The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My
>AT&T SIM is listed on the wiki within the range of serial numbers that
>will not work.
The version number on my (working) T-Mobile SIM is 37.05A. Just
another data point...
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August (got it when my Neo arrived).
Tim Shannon writes:
>How new is your account?
>
>On 10/8/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Tim Shannon writes:
>> >So the consensus is that the Neo won't work in the US if you just go an
>&
Tim Shannon writes:
>So the consensus is that the Neo won't work in the US if you just go an get
>a new account with AT&T or T-Mobile?
Mine works with a T-Mobile SIM (non 3G).
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Ben Burdette writes:
>
>> That's really sad. One of the real strengths of the old versions of
>> PalmOS (and the applications developed for it) was that interaction
>> was instantaneous -- in almost all cases, what you wanted happened
>> right away, and in the few exceptions, you were notified imm
Kyle Bassett writes:
>I agree. Palm OS experiences the same kind of lag in certain cases.
That's really sad. One of the real strengths of the old versions of
PalmOS (and the applications developed for it) was that interaction
was instantaneous -- in almost all cases, what you wanted happened
rig
Michael Schmidt writes:
>On 9/16/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You can install Qt if you like, but you cannot assume that all users
>> will do that. Qt takes a lot of space
>
>Qt is the future, would it be possible to pre-install the open libraries?
>Or aren t the n
Harald Welte writes:
>On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:31:00PM +0100, Giles Jones wrote:
>>
>> Seems like an odd choice of unit then for an open source phone.
>
>So are you claiming the open source drivers that we are writing are not
>open source, merely by the fact that we are writing them? Using this
Giles Jones writes:
>
>Typical Gartner response in that interview. Who are these industry
>analysts anyway? they just seem to state the obvious. Smartphones
>aren't mainstream, aren't they like 25% of the market maximum? You
>need to be over 50% to be even considered mainstream.
It'd be nice
Igor Foox writes:
>When I first booted the phone after flashing the kernel + rootfs, I
>didn't calibrate the touch screen properly, and then when trying to
>mess around with the stylus I somehow managed to mess up the gnome
>theme.
>The current state is that there are no icons showing up and inste
Roland Dreier writes:
>I just got my "Your order has shipped!" email (yay!), but the UPS
>tracking number included showed a package signed for by Mike (not my
>name) in San Ramon, CA, (not where my address is). Did that happen to
>anyone else?
I'm afraid that the last time UPS showed a package of
Joe Friedrichsen writes:
>
>Well, yes and no. Why couldn't they order units and flash whatever
>they want on them? That's what the Neo //is// about. Sure, it wouldn't
>be very considerate to close everything afterward, but it's certainly
>feasible, if only FIC could make as many phones as Google wo
Brad Midgley writes:
>it mounts on /media/card if it has a supported filesystem (fat/ext2)
>
Ah. The problem was I'd installed a rootfs but not a new kernel, so I
didn't have any modules. New kernel -> access to micro-sd.
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Nkoli writes:
>
>The only difference between T-Mobile Web and T-Mobile Internet on the phone
>is that T-Mobile Internet allows VPN while T-Mobile Web doesn't. You can
>access any arbitrary html or wap site on your phone with both plans. I've
>been using the cheaper plan since their t-zones unlimite
Not physically -- I had no problem plugging it into the phone. But
where does it appear to the software? where is it in /dev? Is it
automatically mounted at boot time? What's the mountpoint?
Foolish question, I know...
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Dan Trevino writes:
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>I have their $5.99 internet plan working with my unsupported Treo 680.
After reading the posts to howardforums (thanks Adam!), I have to ask:
when you say it's "working", does that mean you can go to an arbitrary
URL and see what's there?
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This is addressed to people who have successfully navigated t-mobile's
thicket: wouldn't it be nice if their web page gave good, complete,
technical information?
Anyway, my reading of their page is that to get web access on the
phone I need to add their "T-MobileWeb" service, but I don't need
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Giles Jones writes:
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>Are you policing this project for violations?
Look, he pointed out a potential trademark issue, which will have to
be considered if some sort of ungraffiti is to be distributed. There
really isn't any reason to keep going on about it.
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Nkoli writes:
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>Quikwriting's different-but-easier alphabet implementation is quite
>interesting and may be the best way to get good handwriting recognition. I
>was thinking handwriting recognition that can be used with fingers because
>of all the interest in finger based apps, since most people w
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