RE: $100 computers (was: Microtouch)

2012-02-09 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
 $100 would also get you Qi Hardware's Nanonote units, which is 
 comparable to a Raspberry Pi + monitor + keyboard that you can 
 actually carry in your pocket and use on the go (comes with a Li-ion 
 battery, runs for ~9 hours in my experience).
 
 I have one. I like it. I use it mainly as a smart music-player; I've 
 also written and run some Python and Scheme programs on it (so, it 
 makes a nice `programmer's calculator' for, e.g.: solving  recursive 
 problems).
 
 Not sure what others do with theirs.
 
 A couple of friends also have them, and it seems to take about
 3 days between ordering from Sharism in Hong Kong and having them 
 arrive on our doorsteps in the US.
 
MikroElektronika has variants of this for AVR, ARM and *PIC*  $99
http://www.mikroe.com/eng/products/view/688/mikromedia-for-xmega/

Actually, MikroElectronika seems more along the lines of what I want. I
saw the NanoNote a while back, and I just don't like the Makeup Compact
look of it.

Now to figure out WHICH MikroMedia I want (-= As long as I don't HAVE to
buy the programming environment as well. I'm sure gcc can handle the
task, right?

Cheers,

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RE: Microtouch

2012-02-08 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)

On 02/07/2012 10:13 AM, Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) wrote:
 Subject: Microtouch

 Just spotted on: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net

 Microtouch - The ultimate AVR-based iPhone killer!
 http://www.ladyada.net/products/microtouch/

 SNIP

 Does anyone know how old this is? I've got ~$100 ready to buy it they

 get more in stock. The page says 3-5 days, but not when it was last 
 updated.
 I hope the first batch wasn't the only batch. I'd really like to play

 with a$100 tablet.
It looks like it was originally announced a little over a year ago (Jan
27, 2011.) http://www.adafruit.com/blog?s=microtouch is the blog search
for posts related to the microtouch.
Now I'm confused as to whether to get to $90 microtouch with it's cute
touch screen and pocket size on an 8-bit microcontroller, or wait and
get a raspberryPI for $35 and full Linux, but needs a TV for display???
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RE: Microtouch

2012-02-07 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
 Subject: Microtouch
 
 Just spotted on: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
 
 Microtouch - The ultimate AVR-based iPhone killer!
 http://www.ladyada.net/products/microtouch/
 
SNIP

Does anyone know how old this is? I've got ~$100 ready to buy it they
get more in stock. The page says 3-5 days, but not when it was last
updated.
I hope the first batch wasn't the only batch. I'd really like to play
with a $100 tablet.

 =)
 ~ elf Pavlik ~

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RE: GTA04 Group Buy - Status

2011-12-01 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)


-Original Message-
From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Dr. H.
Nikolaus Schaller
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:49 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Cc: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners
Subject: GTA04 Group Buy - Status

Dear all,

...

I think we need to heavily increase the awareness about the GTA04 in
the Linux communities! There have been no reports in the usual new
channels of the announcement that the GTA04 is now ready to be ordered.
At least I have not seen them.

And, if I read this:

   http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/30/smartphone_spying_app/

it is obvious why the open and free software community needs a device
where every individual has control over the software.

Some ideas:

...

If you have additional ideas, please share!

I first heard about OpenMoko on lwn.net
I keep a window open there daily and update it a few times a day to keep
up with Linux development.
I think someone with good inside info should write a good article for
posting on lwn.net and submit it. This should increase visibility
greatly.

I'm sure there are other sites others use to keep up with Linux. This is
just the one I use.

Nikolaus


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RE: Potential buyer

2011-06-06 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
Depends on how you define open and phone.

Openmoko, depending on the distro you install and how much you play with
it varies from basically usable phone to extremely fun/frustrating
hardware that might make occasional calls or texts. I've used it as both
over the years I've used mine.

For a phone that 'just works' and meets some level of open, there are
various Android platforms and ports. HTC recently announced they are
unlocking the boot loader for all future HTC 'Droids. How 'open' you
consider these is a point of opinion, however for the most part they
make great smartphones.

I'm now running an HTC 'Droid Incredible as my regular phone and it does
most everything I want from a smartphone. But then I don't actually hack
much anymore.

Also, as mentioned, there IS some work on a next-gen Openmoko-based
device. Not much good without the Openmoko chassis, display etc, but
it'll be the next ubergeek hacking device for this community.

Cheers,

John Gay

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Re: Have I fried my freerunner?

2011-03-08 Thread John O'Hagan


On Fri, 4 Mar 2011, Chuck Norris wrote:
 04.03.2011 06:27, John O'Hagan пишет:
  On Tue, 1 Mar 2011, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
  On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 13:16:54 +
  
  John O'Hagan resea...@johnohagan.com wrote:
  Hi,
  
  After a couple of years of fairly trouble-free
  qtmoko-FR use, I used a cheap in-car charger on a
  recent trip. The charger died, and the FR itself
  began exhibiting a number of odd behaviours such
  as not coming back from suspend, indicating
  charging status when it was not charging,
  crashing, and after a couple of days, not booting
  into qtmoko at all.
  
  Instead, I get an error like debugfs dir creation
  failed -19, then a Debian login prompt.
  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to ssh into the
  FR to investigate, as it doesn't show up on my
  debian laptop as usbX or ethX, only as /dev/ACM0,
  so I'm stuck as to how to get the USB networking
  going.
  
  [...]
  
  Woo, don't smells good.
  But I would try to reflash it with QtMoko once again. or with 
a
  
  totally
  
  different distro such as Android. The secodn one has an
  
  installer that
  
  verbose the output of the flashing progress. This way, you 
can
  
  see if it
  
  fails to write on some clusters on the flash.
  
  Let us know the results !
  
  Thanks for your reply. I'm a little confused about what is 
going on
  in my FR. The fact that I'm getting a Debian login prompt 
means it
  is actually booting, right? So the problem must be in 
subsequent
  stages of initialising Qtopia?
  
  Because it's not showing up as /dev/ethX or /devusbX as I
  mentioned, I haven't been able to re-flash it or even back it 
up
  with neotool, which doesn't find the device. To be honest it's
  been a long time since I flashed it because I've been 
updating
  qtmoko using apt-get, so I may be doing it wrong. Any advice 
how
  to ssh into the freerunner in theses circumstances?


I needed to reflash both Qi and the rootfs to get a bootable 
phone, but to no avail: although the reflashing went fine, the FR 
will no longer charge, although the battery indicator showed 
charging status. Both my batteries are now dead.

Looks like my poor FR took quite a beating from that cheap 
charger.

Any advice how to diagnose/repair this?

Thanks.


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OpenMobile.nl Image?

2011-03-07 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
How out of date is the OpenMobile.nl image listed here?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtMoko#OpenMobile.nl_Download
 
Is it possible to apt-get update from this image? 
 
As I no longer have any Linux boxes, except my FreeRunner, this is the
least painful way to try qtmoko, but I would prefer a more up-to-date
version.
Any change of OpenMobile.nl updating it's image?
 
ATM, I'm still running H:1, but it's getting rather out-of-date and I've
moved to a Droid Incredible for my daily phone as my daughter got a free
upgrade on her unlimited service plan.
I.E., I'm free to play with my FreeRunner without having to worry so
much about occasional breakages (-=
 
Cheers,
 
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Re: Have I fried my freerunner?

2011-03-03 Thread John O'Hagan
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
 On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 13:16:54 +
 
 John O'Hagan resea...@johnohagan.com wrote:
  Hi,
  
  After a couple of years of fairly trouble-free
  qtmoko-FR use, I used a cheap in-car charger on a
  recent trip. The charger died, and the FR itself
  began exhibiting a number of odd behaviours such
  as not coming back from suspend, indicating
  charging status when it was not charging,
  crashing, and after a couple of days, not booting
  into qtmoko at all.
  
  Instead, I get an error like debugfs dir creation
  failed -19, then a Debian login prompt.
  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to ssh into the
  FR to investigate, as it doesn't show up on my
  debian laptop as usbX or ethX, only as /dev/ACM0,
  so I'm stuck as to how to get the USB networking
  going.
 

[...]


 Woo, don't smells good.
 But I would try to reflash it with QtMoko once again. or with a 
totally
 different distro such as Android. The secodn one has an 
installer that
 verbose the output of the flashing progress. This way, you can 
see if it
 fails to write on some clusters on the flash.
 
 Let us know the results !

Thanks for your reply. I'm a little confused about what is going on 
in my FR. The fact that I'm getting a Debian login prompt means it 
is actually booting, right? So the problem must be in subsequent 
stages of initialising Qtopia? 

Because it's not showing up as /dev/ethX or /devusbX as I 
mentioned, I haven't been able to re-flash it or even back it up 
with neotool, which doesn't find the device. To be honest it's 
been a long time since I flashed it because I've been updating 
qtmoko using apt-get, so I may be doing it wrong. Any advice how 
to ssh into the freerunner in theses circumstances?

Regards,

 John

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Have I fried my freerunner?

2011-03-01 Thread John O'Hagan
Hi,

After a couple of years of fairly trouble-free 
qtmoko-FR use, I used a cheap in-car charger on a 
recent trip. The charger died, and the FR itself 
began exhibiting a number of odd behaviours such 
as not coming back from suspend, indicating 
charging status when it was not charging, 
crashing, and after a couple of days, not booting 
into qtmoko at all.

Instead, I get an error like debugfs dir creation 
failed -19, then a Debian login prompt. 
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to ssh into the 
FR to investigate, as it doesn't show up on my 
debian laptop as usbX or ethX, only as /dev/ACM0, 
so I'm stuck as to how to get the USB networking 
going.

Any help appreciated.

John

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The epoch is upon me.

2010-12-21 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
The last time my FreeRunner's battery died, the clock reset to epoch.
Now, it no longer keeps time during suspend either. I'm guessing this
means the clock battery has finally died.
 
Someone recently commented that they replaced their battery with a pair
of super caps. I just wanted to confirm my diagnosis before I take a
soldering iron to my phone.
 
Cheers,
 
John Gay
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RE: The epoch is upon me.

2010-12-21 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
OK. I was a little confused about the mention of 2 super caps at the
time. That make more sense.
 
I'll have to check for an American source and get one. I've got some
rusty soldering skills I can brush up before I attack my phone.
 
Cheers,
 
John Gay



From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Benjamin
Deering
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:14 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: The epoch is upon me.


Jon,

I'm don't know how you can be sure the clock battery is to blame, but I
just wanted to mention that I replaced the battery with a single
supercap.  The pair of supercaps was because I have two freerunners.

Ben

On 12/21/2010 07:55 AM, Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) wrote: 

The last time my FreeRunner's battery died, the clock reset to
epoch. Now, it no longer keeps time during suspend either. I'm guessing
this means the clock battery has finally died.
 
Someone recently commented that they replaced their battery with
a pair of super caps. I just wanted to confirm my diagnosis before I
take a soldering iron to my phone.
 
Cheers,
 
John Gay

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MeeGo 1.1 for FreeRunner?

2010-11-16 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
Does anyone know how difficult it would be to port MeeGo to the
FreeRunner?

After all, we don't have enough distro's yet (-=

Cheers,

John Gay

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RE: Yocto for Openmoko?

2010-11-01 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
 

Am Samstag, den 30.10.2010, 13:15 +0400 schrieb Nikita V. Youshchenko:
  Just saw the announcement on lwn.net for the Yocto Project.
 
  This aims to create a standard build system for embedded systems. 
  Sounds like it might be an interesting way to build for the
FreeRunner.
 
  Of course it also sound like 'yet-another-build-system' tool.
 
  Just wanted to high-lite this to the various people building
various 
  distros and hear their feedback on what this might, or might not 
  offer for simplifying builds for the FreeRunner.
 
  Cheers, and let the flames ignite (-=
 
 Isn't that Yocto based on the same OpenEmbedded as current build 
 system for several distros is?

Yes, it is.

Although it might contain some higher-level shells that could simplify
dealing with the actual build process.

That was my point. It's supposed to simplify the config process and
create SDK, QEMU images and such.

But on the other hand, do we need Yet-another-build-system? Does it
offer something useful to set it apart from what's already out there?

At the very least someone could add the FreeRunner to this list of
supported target platforms for Yocto. Maybe the GP2X could be another
target to work on.

Cheers,

John Gay

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Yocto for Openmoko?

2010-10-29 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
Just saw the announcement on lwn.net for the Yocto Project.

This aims to create a standard build system for embedded systems. Sounds
like it might be an interesting way to build for the FreeRunner.

Of course it also sound like 'yet-another-build-system' tool.

Just wanted to high-lite this to the various people building various
distros and hear their feedback on what this might, or might not offer
for simplifying builds for the FreeRunner.

Cheers, and let the flames ignite (-=

John Gay

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RE: When is the next and more powerful openmoko releasing

2010-08-12 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)

  Hi,
Hello, there (-=
 
  When is the next and more powerful openmoko (capable of seamless 3D
video and faster processor) is going to be released???
As soon as you design it? I've heard that some people are looking at
taking the openmoko core project and trying to apply it to better
hardware. There were some offers to use production facilities and such,
but I wouldn't hold my breath.

But it would be nice.
  
  Regards
  Sriranjan
 

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RE: [Hackable:1] serial terminal program

2010-08-12 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
 
Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) john@ge.com writes:
 recognizes and assigns to /dev/ttyUSB0. My problem is, minicom won't 
 run

I prefer picocom.

Tried that, but it's too small . . . Is there a microcom? (-=

Actually, it works like a dream! I plugged my USB- serial adapter from
my FR to an IBM server serial port, ran picocom and was able to log in.
Only problem: The IBM expects the terminal to 80 char X 24 lines and the
terminal on the FR is only 39 char X 24 lines.

Guess I'll see how bad this limit really is when I NEED to use this.

Cheers,

John Gay

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RE: [Hackable:1] serial terminal program

2010-08-12 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
The other problem I've noticed with my H:1, if I try to rotate the
screen from the AUX menu, I get the WSOD )-=
A rotated screen should give me enough chars, but I don't know if it'd
do 24 lines.

 

-Original Message-
From: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org
[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Timo Juhani
Lindfors
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:15 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: [Hackable:1] serial terminal program

Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE) john@ge.com writes:
 Actually, it works like a dream! I plugged my USB- serial adapter 
 from my FR to an IBM server serial port, ran picocom and was able to
log in.
 Only problem: The IBM expects the terminal to 80 char X 24 lines and 
 the terminal on the FR is only 39 char X 24 lines.

My xterm on my FR offers much more characters :-)

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[Hackable:1] serial terminal program

2010-08-11 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
I've been wanting to try using my freerunner as a serial terminal to
debug servers via serial. I've got a USB-serial adapter that H:1
recognizes and assigns to /dev/ttyUSB0. My problem is, minicom won't run
because the shell screen is to small. Mickeyterm fails to find a bunch
of python modules and things via dbus. I've even tried cu -l
/dev/ttyUSB0 but it says the line is busy. Anyone know of a serial
terminal program that does work on H:1?

Cheers,

John Gay

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RE: [gta02-core] Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

2010-06-16 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)


Anyway, can you please keep focus on the original question (everything
else does not bring us forward): 

Which option would you prefer?


1. PCB and very special components only (you can go shopping yourself).

2. PCB and complete component set (unsoldered)

3. PCB and components already soldered on a professional SMT line (we

can use one)

4. same as 3 including a Wi2Wi GPS receiver module


So, If I get the Populated PCB and LCD module for 169 Euros, does that
mean I don't have to break a Freerunner? That's the most attractive
option to me. I like my Neo (-=
 
Cheers,
 
John Gay
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RE: Freerunner Remote Desktop?

2010-05-25 Thread Gay, John (GE Energy Services, Non-GE)
I use tightVNC on my PC and run x11vnc on my freerunner.
 
Cheers,
 
John Gay



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[mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of Nashvin
Gangaram
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:22 AM
To: Openmoko_Support; Openmoko_Community; SHR_Users
Subject: Freerunner Remote Desktop?


Hi everyone

Does anyone know of any way to Remote Desktop to the Freerunner (to
see the Freerunner display on PC, via USB).  Preferably for SHR on
Freerunner and Linux Mint or Ubuntu on PC...

I've looked at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#GUI_on_desktop_through_SSH
, but this seems to only allow specific applications to be displayed on
PC.

Thanks :-)


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RE: Removing dependent libs?

2010-04-23 Thread Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE)
-Original Message-
Subject: Re: Removing dependent libs? 

 I remember debian used to have a simple tool to check for and remove 
 orphaned libs, but I don't remember what it's called. I'm also 
 slightly nervous it might remove some libs that aren't orphaned, just

 not properly listed.

deborphan
or
apt-get autoremove

Tried this, but it only removed arora, not the extra libs that were
installed with it. I tried both autoremove and --auto-remove.

I'll try installing deborphan to see if that helps.

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Removing dependent libs?

2010-04-22 Thread Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE)
I tried installing arora on H:1 just to try a different web browser
experience and it installed quite a few qt libs as dependencies. I
wasn't impressed with it and removed it, but can't find an easy way to
remove these un-used libs?

I remember debian used to have a simple tool to check for and remove
orphaned libs, but I don't remember what it's called. I'm also slightly
nervous it might remove some libs that aren't orphaned, just not
properly listed.

Anyone know an easy way to check the dependencies for an app?

Cheers,

John Gay

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RE: gta02-core (was Re: OM future)

2010-02-25 Thread Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE)
As rasterman knows quite a bit more about hardware than most people I
know, I'm curious to know his opinion on the Flow G1.5 and up-coming G2
from Gizmo for you?

http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/

Sounds at least as open hardware-wise and Openmoko was and seems to
actually be available for a price, though a rather high one.

I also find the game platform and general-purpose daughter card rather
interesting.

Cheers,

John Gay

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H:1, qtmoko or . . . .

2010-01-25 Thread Gay, John (GE Infra, Energy, Non-GE)
ATM, I'm running H:1 rev5 and am really happy with it, since H:1 was the
first to work with my BT keyboard for me.

Now I've got a BT headset as well, but I can't get it to connect to H:1?

Before switching to H:1, I was using qtextended quite happily, though I
never got BT working with it. Now I'm checking the reviews of qtmoko,
and it's looking quite good, but I can't find any definitive answers RE:
BT headset and keyboard.

Has anyone any experience setting up and using BT headset on the FR with
any distro, but especially either H:1 or qtmoko?

Cheers,

John Gay

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Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

2010-01-09 Thread John Locke
Hi,

Haven't been reading the list much in a long time... I have a Neo, which
I never could use as a day-to-day phone, due to battery life. Now I've
got an N900, just wanted to comment on this:

From: Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com

 I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker device (processor-wise). Today
 on the train I saw a guy with nokia N900. He was reading some texts on it.
 Oh dear, the scrolling was awesomely laggish. As an openmoko user I
 know a bit about laggish scrolling;-) It is really sad such a highend
 device still suffers from it. (not as bad as openmoko though)

   
I find that very much depends on what applications you have running, and
I'm wondering if there's a memory leak in the browser. There seems to be
a browser daemon that uses a lot of processor even when it's not
running--but after killing all the browser windows, it gets responsive
again for a while.

So some of the time it's really responsive, but now and then it gets
really bogged down... killing stuff brings it back. I think most of the
laggishness is completely related to applications, and something that
can be fixed--if I keep the number of open apps down to around 6 or so,
it's usually just fine. I do find myself rebooting it once or twice a
week, which does clear up some of these issues.

 An iphone had never such problem, and it has a weaker hardware...
   
That's because you can't run multiple apps on it!

I wrote up an initial review on the n900 here:
http://www.freelock.com/blog/john-locke/3/nokia-n900-first-impressions
... already most of the things I identified as shortcomings are no
longer issues, either because there's now applications for it, or there
was a feature I didn't know about (such as a browser mode that allows
for mouseover, select, and drag-and-drop).

In short, after having it for a month, I'm really happy with it. Now to
find a gpsd package so TangoGPS can figure out where I am...

Cheers,

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Re: Congratulation, Wikireader! 7th in Amazon TOP 100

2009-10-30 Thread john
2009/10/30 Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com:
 On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:29 AM, john jptmo...@gmail.com wrote:

 2009/10/29 Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com:
  On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm 
  wrote:
  2009/10/29 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com
 
  On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
  laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/ref=pd_ts_pg_4?ie=UTF8pg=4
 
  Just to put this into perspective:
  Amazon Kindle got 7111 customer review while WikiReader 13.
 
  You'd need to compare for how long each one is being sold.
 
  That and it does help to have a front page listing ;-)
 
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 So, bagged myself one of these bad boys today and I am equally excited
 as when I first got my hands on a 1973. Really looking forward to
 educating myself while I ride the Tube! Keep up the good work!

 Thanks John. Please let us know what you think when it arrives!

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I received it already I meant to say. Very impressed! I am going to
see if I can setup some offline mobile learning experiments at a
couple of Uni's here in London.

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Re: Congratulation, Wikireader! 7th in Amazon TOP 100

2009-10-29 Thread john
2009/10/29 Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com:
 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote:
 2009/10/29 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com

 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
 laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/ref=pd_ts_pg_4?ie=UTF8pg=4

 Just to put this into perspective:
 Amazon Kindle got 7111 customer review while WikiReader 13.

 You'd need to compare for how long each one is being sold.

 That and it does help to have a front page listing ;-)

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So, bagged myself one of these bad boys today and I am equally excited
as when I first got my hands on a 1973. Really looking forward to
educating myself while I ride the Tube! Keep up the good work!

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Re: how to port a scheme interpreter to om?

2009-10-28 Thread john
Hi..

2009/10/28 Shawn cit...@gmail.com:
 hi guys,
    does anybody has try to port the scheme interpreter(guile,etc) to
 openMOKO?

[snip]


I just built Guile 1.8.5 from shr-unstable. If you like I can put the
packages up somewhere.

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Re: Integrating telepathy and opim and fso [Was: Revamping Elmphonelog]

2009-09-28 Thread John Dowd
On Monday 28 September 2009 16:07:47 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
 Renamed to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/TelepathyIntegration

 Rui


Err... ummm, I don't want to insult anyone but you may want to look up the 
word you are using. I realize that English is a second language for most of 
you but to make it easier for people to perform a proper look up, the word you 
want is telephony. Telepathy is something quite different and will get you 
all sorts of crackpots accessing you site.

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Re: Integrating telepathy and opim and fso [Was: Revamping Elmphonelog]

2009-09-28 Thread John Dowd
On Monday 28 September 2009 16:29:17 Marcel wrote:
 They actually mean telepathy as in telepathy, since there's an IM client
 named telepathy they want to use. Of course also for telephony. :)

 --
 Marcel

Oops, then I withdraw my comment. You are still going to get some weirdo's 
accessing the site but then they can be quite entertaining sometimes.

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Re: Fwd: Re: linphone

2009-09-22 Thread John Dowd
On Monday 21 September 2009 17:11:18 Tschaka wrote:
 Hi John,

 i have two positive suggestion for you. first is: i got linphone to play
 and record sound!!
 with the hints from the mail you quoted, the packages there (dunno if
 neccessary) and a self-created alsa state file [1], it works.

 i moved the /etc/asound.conf file somewhere else (dunno if neccessary, try
 it out), loaded up the state file and now can make calls. however there is
 one problem: you will hear yourself with a 1 sec delay occasionally. try to
 edit the state file and finetune it.


 second is: you can add contacts through rightclicking on the contacts
 thingy in linphone. now there is the literki keyboard (you can find it
 through searching the mailing list), which lets you open up an emulated
 mouse with pointer and right and left click. read rusolis' announcement for
 further instructions. simply rightclick on the contacts area, click on
 add and off you go.

 hope this helps. Please report back your experiences with the asound.conf
 removal and your results.

 Greetings!

The removal of the asound.conf file just caused the audio to not work. I have 
not delved very far into the inner workings of the Neo so I don't know if any 
errors are available to report. Since there is no messages file I can't list 
it here.

I'm presuming that you meant me to use the state file that you linked to in 
your email. I put it on the neo and rebooted (don't know how to load the 
state machine from the command line).

Your new state file had no discernible effect on the quality of the audio. It 
was still very broken up and delayed and exactly the same as the original 
state file.

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Fwd: Re: linphone

2009-09-21 Thread John Dowd

--  Forwarded Message  --

Subject: Re: linphone
Date: Monday 21 September 2009
From: John Dowd jdowds...@gmail.com
To: Johan Thelmén j...@home.se

On Saturday 12 September 2009 05:18:35 you wrote:
 I use this.

 http://87.227.108.179/neo/linphone-3.1.0/

 But because of printed audio errors witch we can see if running from
 commandline, I had  to remove /etc/asound.conf But it should probably be
 fixed in application instead. Used this to build it
 http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Building SHR

 I also remember there was some problem with the mic audio setting. But I
 used it oneway with asterisk.

Johan,

It's installed now and working over the wifi and the audio even works after a 
fashion.

My next problem is that it doesn't seem to have a way of recording the numbers 
that I would call. Since this is a demo I don't want the person presenting to 
have to type in the SIP address everytime. Is there a way of adding SIP phone 
numbers to the caller list? Right now it appears but I can't see how to put 
anyone into the list.

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Re: linphone 3.1.0

2009-09-21 Thread John Dowd
On Monday 21 September 2009 16:35:18 MicVM wrote:
 Has somebody of you guys managed to run linphone3 in shr in the meanwhile?
 I tried every possible statefile and asound that i found on the mailing
 list (also tried without asound.conf) but still no success. The standard
 voip statefile is ok for the microphone, but no sound comes out of the
 earpiece. Any ideas?

I was able to get linphone to work as far as installed and running with no 
apparent errors. The audio is broken but is playing, I can hear the voice from 
the PBX coming through when I dial in for voicemail. It's broken but loud 
enough to hear.

I have done no changes to any of the audio system so the defaults that come 
with a SHR-unstable download and linphone 3.1.0 should be how it's currently 
setup. 

Not much help I'm afraid.

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SHR-U: More Adventures with Wifi

2009-09-18 Thread John Dowd
I'm now trying to just run the Neo with no Wifi encryption (the AP doesn't 
like something about the Neo's WPA handshake... next weeks problem) and with a 
static IP address (the Neo's dhcp client s/w doesn't like something about the 
DHCPOFFER message from the AP... next month's problem).

So I have the following in the interface file under /etc/network:

# Wired or wireless interfaces
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
address 192.168.1.20
network 192.168.1.0
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.1.1
up route del default gw 192.168.0.200

And here is the contents of the wpa_supplicant.conf file:

ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
ctrl_interface_group=0
eapol_version=1
ap_scan=1
fast_reauth=1

# Open:
network={
 ssid=Asterisk
 key_mgmt=NONE
 priority=80
}

Now, when the Neo boots, it appears that the wpa_supplicant.conf file does get 
accessed and the AP can be seen allowing it into the network. However, once 
the Wifi part is done the default route through the usb0 interface is still 
there. The last line up route del default gw 192.168.0.200 does not have any 
effect and, the usb cable is not even plugged in but when I use the Neo's 
terminal to look at the route table, there's the default route which I believe 
confuses the TCP/IP stack on the Neo and I can't shell into it (I have read 
the Wifi page about Neo and have done the subsequent mods.).

Has anyone been able to get the Neo to setup properly for Wifi access at boot?

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SHR-U: Mokonnect...

2009-09-16 Thread John Dowd
I've run into a problem using Mokonnect. I configured it once and now I can't 
delete that configuration. I scanned for an AP, selected the one I wanted, 
entered in the connection information for it. I inadvertently did not add a 
password and now it will not let me change that setting. the password field is 
unselectable and I can never connect to that AP.

Also, the scan goes on forever now.

the easiest way to fix the AP information stuff would be to blow away the file 
that has the information in it so that the next time I run the app it looks 
like the first time but I can't find the file. Anyone know where it is? I 
already tried to remove Mokonnect and then re-installing it but the 
information persisted.

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Re: SHR-U: Mokonnect...

2009-09-16 Thread John Dowd
On Wednesday 16 September 2009 10:53:08 Valery Febvre wrote:
 I think The file you are looking for is:

 /usr/share/mokonnect/mkconfig.py

Yeah, I found it and blew it away and now the installation does look like a 
new one. The big problem now is that the scan function of Mokonnect no longer 
works. Bummer.

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Re: SHR-U: Mokonnect...

2009-09-16 Thread John Dowd
On Wednesday 16 September 2009 10:53:08 Valery Febvre wrote:
 I think The file you are looking for is:

 /usr/share/mokonnect/mkconfig.py

Yeah, I found it and blew it away and now the installation does look like a 
new one. The big problem now is that the scan function of Mokonnect no longer 
works. Bummer.

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Re: SHR-U: Mokonnect...

2009-09-16 Thread John Dowd
On Wednesday 16 September 2009 11:24:20 Warren Baird wrote:
 I must admit that even though I generally prefer gui tools for this kind of
 thing - life got a lot easier once I bit the bullet and just created a
 wpa_supplicant config file with all the networks I usually connect to in
 it.

Warren,

Thanks for the advice. I'm a big time user of scripts and I hate GUI's. 
However, the use of Mokonnect is a last gasp effort to get the Neo to connect 
to my AP (Access Point). I would prefer to use the normal linux init scripts 
but I've been finding some bizarre behaviour with them.

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Re: Icon issue with SHR-unstable...

2009-09-15 Thread John Dowd
On Tuesday 15 September 2009 03:45:36 Robin Paulson wrote:
 yes, png will work fine

 which icon theme are you using? i've got the nEo theme installed in
 shr-u, and it changes the root of the pixmaps dir to a different
 location (dunno how, must be a conf file somwhere), so the location on
 my machine becomes

 /usr/share/icons/nEo/86x86/apps

I didn't change any themes once I had loaded on the SHR-U load. I had a look 
and there was a directory /usr/share/icons/shr/86x86/apps and I copied the png 
file for linphone to it. No joy.

Thanks for the help though.

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Re: Need a SIP based phone application

2009-09-14 Thread John Dowd
On Friday 11 September 2009 18:13:15 Giovanni wrote:
 twinkle

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Twinkle

Thanks but since I'm using SHR, I'm not certain that the package can be easily 
imported since Twinkle is for a debian installation.

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Re: Need a SIP based phone application

2009-09-14 Thread John Dowd
On Monday 14 September 2009 09:22:10 Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
 http://www.openapathy.org/screenshots/

 Designed for the freerunner, uses elementary.

 Laszlo

Thanks Laszlo, looks promising but I will probably be done by the time this 
application is actually available to the SHR-unstable distro.

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Re: Need a SIP based phone application

2009-09-14 Thread John Dowd
On Monday 14 September 2009 09:41:41 m k wrote:
 there is a repo to get linphone from:
  
 /repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/ipk/armv4thttp://www.google.com/bookmarks/u
rl?url=http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/repos/mazikeen/fso-milestone5/ipk/armv4
t/ei=b0OuSvC5BIuCoQP1qvylDAsig2=DXiPCcdvLtcV6EH7ZZsp9gct=b


 using opkg install linphone linphonec linphone-rings and This Page
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone to setup via linphonec i managed to
 log into http://iptel.org/ and even got it to play some nice music to me by
 dialling the test number - but ..

 this only works by using the stereoout.state. As soon as i switch to
 voip-statefile there is no way to get as much as a blip out of linphone :(
 The same statefile worked under Debian using Twinkle so i have no clue
 whats different.

Thanks to everyone who replied and you were all very helpful. It looks like 
linphone is the app of choice simply because it installs as is with the SHR-
unstable packages right now. I actually don't need the audio to work, I just 
need the SIP protocol stack to work. Linphone seems to do that although the 
GUI is a bit messed up on the Neo display. There is a lot of text crowding and 
improper sizing of the various dialog windows and icons but I can live with 
that for now.

Apathy would be nice if it was actually available but it seems to be a bit of 
a ways out for a delivery to the SHR-unstable package list.

Twinkle seems to only be available for a debian system and I'm not about to 
try and tangle with package importing right now. 

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Icon issue with SHR-unstable...

2009-09-14 Thread John Dowd
I can run the Linphone app but on the neo main display the linphone icon is 
shown as the default (or unknown) icon of a blank page.

The linphone app has a linphone.png file under /usr/share/pixmaps (I just 
copied it there) but after I rebooted, it's still the blank page showing.

Where should the linphone icon file go and is a png format the correct 
format to use for SHR?

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Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-12 Thread John Sullivan
Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca writes:

 While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware
 I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list.

 Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try
 and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find
 appropriate hardware?  Of course, there are various notions of open
 hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for
 example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users.  Also it
 might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the
 company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles.

 I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating,
 maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ...

 Any hint?


 Stefan

http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Freest_hardware_comparisons has been
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Need a SIP based phone application

2009-09-11 Thread John Dowd
I'm still struggling with the Wifi side of the Openmoko Neo but I'm sure all 
of the problems are resolvable. However I well ultimately need a SIP phone 
application in the end. I'm running the SHR-unstable load and I'm wondering if 
anyone knows of such an application? I was using the linphone application when 
I was using the OM-2008 distro but that distro has been discontinued and the 
linphone app is no longer available. The URL used to download linphone no 
longer exists.

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Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...

2009-09-09 Thread John Dowd
On Wednesday 09 September 2009 01:39:54 Paul Fertser wrote:
 You certainly want to consult http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FSO_Resources
 wikipage; it's frameworkd syncing resources on startup and thus
 turning everything off.

Thanks Paul.

I installed the fsoraw utility (funny, I did a opkg search fsoraw and found 
nothing, then I did a opkg list | grep -i fsoraw and saw it in the list. 
Then I typed opkg install fsoraw and voila, it installed).

I managed to get the fsoraw utility to start the wpa_supplicant applications 
and I could see the wpa handshake being done on the AP (Access Point) side. 
Then the udhcpc (busybox dhcp client) started up and did it's usual round of 
ignoring the response to its DHCPDISCOVER messages (this is why I want to get 
dhclient). Eventually it actually did send a DHCPACK and it had an IP address. 
I spent too long congratulating myself and gloating because just as I issued 
the ssh r...@wifi-ip-address-of-my-neo the AP log said that the wifi had been 
disassociated and the Neo was showing that the wifi timed out due to 
inactivity.

This is a few steps forward. Thanks for the help.
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Wireless Signal Power Levels...

2009-09-09 Thread John Dowd
I've been working with the wifi aspect of the Openmoko trying to setup for a 
SIP based phone system.

One problem that I've been having that someone pointed out is that the signal 
levels may be one problem that I'm running into. When I have a wireless 
connection and I do a iwconfig on the Neo side, the signal level is being 
shown at -147dBm. Apparently that is very low and the expected working level 
should be around -90dBm.

I'm running the AP (Access Point) using hostapd on PC with a USB wireless 
dongle so I do have access to the AP and settings.

My question is: is the signal level really a problem and is there a simple 
configuration setting that I can use to try and fix it?

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Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...

2009-09-08 Thread John Dowd
On Friday 04 September 2009 16:23:51 George Brooke wrote:
 usb0 should now be ethX just look in dmesg to see what number its taken.

 solar.george

Respectfully, who cares what the interface is called on the Neo side, this 
does not reflect back to the device (in this case a laptop) at the other end 
of the usb cable. That device (the laptop) does not see any ethernet i/f 
because the Neo is not starting one.

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Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...

2009-09-08 Thread John Dowd
On Tuesday 08 September 2009 11:00:52 George Brooke wrote:
 I mean on the laptop side
 1. Plug neo into laptop
 2. run dmesg on laptop
 [ 9359.352059] usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and
 address 2 [ 9359.566175] usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices
 [ 9359.914928] eth2: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-:00:1d.0-2, CDC
 Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:70:8f
 [ 9359.915323] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether
 [ 9359.962215] udev: renamed network interface eth2 to eth5
 3. look for lines like the above which tell you that my neo is at eth5

Bingo, it works and you are correct, it's now on eth1. Good thing I put that 
Respectfully at the start of my reply or I might have to buy your beer for 
the rest of my life.

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Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...

2009-09-08 Thread John Dowd
On Tuesday 08 September 2009 12:24:41 George Brooke wrote:
 No problem, glad it got sorted out.

 solar.george

I can now manually configure the wireless interface but I need to come up 
automatically during boot and start the dhcp client. I can see that the kernel 
does boot and somewhere during init the interface is brought up. However, 
somewhere later during the init the wireless interface is being shutdown. If I 
go into the Setup application I can see that the wireless option is turned 
off. If I turn it back on it then the interface does come up. However, it is 
not persistent across boots. How do I turn off the current system setting of 
turning off the wireless interface? I have a wlan script in the 
/etc/init.d directory and once I manually bring up the wireless interface I 
can run it and it does configure the interface properly.

Also, I'm running into the same problem with the busybox udhcpc application 
that I've seen before. It does not see the DCHPOFFER from the AP. It ignores 
it and continues to issue the DCHPDISCOVER. There was a application dhclient 
that ran on the OM2009 distro. Is there anything available here on the 
unstable SHR? One person mentioned that the problem was that the Signal level 
(which is -147dBm) is way too low and should be at least -90dBm. Where would I 
change this? I have some control over the AP if that is where the change needs 
to be.

And on more piece of information that I need
I can bring up the shell on the Neo but the keyboard that pops up does not 
have an obvious way to insert (or type) a carriage return. There has to be a 
way?

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SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...

2009-09-04 Thread John Dowd
I need to setup the Openmoko phone to use a wireless (WPA2 encryption) 
connection so that I can then use a SIP phone application to connect to a AP 
that runs Asterisk.

I have the AP system in place and in fact I've been able to configure the Neo 
using the older om2008 load to set this up and I could demonstrate it working. 
That was much earlier this year.

The system has been sent back to me to make it more robust and consistent. The 
previous system was very hard to get working. The biggest problem was that the 
dhcp client (Busybox udhcpc) would most often just ignore the response to it's 
DHCPDISCOVER message sent by the AP. It would accept it eventually but with a 
boardroom full of customers, telling them that it would connect eventually 
doesn't seem to mean much to them. I just recently replaced the udhcpc 
application with the dhclient application and this worked much better.

I would like to do this demo using the more recent SHR loads since the om2008 
series seems to be abandoned. I have a few issues and I'm wondering if someone 
knows how to get around them.

I've put the lastest stable load of SHR on. I have been able to get the 
wireless to work by modifying the various wpa_supplicant and init.d files by 
hand but, the phone comes up without the wireless chip turned on so I have to 
go into the settings application and actually turn it on. It's not persistent. 
I then have to run my init script and then it connects (I can see the wpa 
handshaking being done on my AP). However the DHCP client dhclient doesn't 
appear to be available under SHR and I have to fall back to busybox's udhcpc. 
It just doesn't seem to work. According to the SHR project page, I could use 
Mokonnect to configure all of this but it's not available to the stable 
version and I tried to load the unstable package but it gives me startup 
errors and then gacks. I've tried to put a unstable SHR load on the Neo but 
then I run into all sorts of incompatibility issues and I get things like the 
usb0 interface is unavailable and I therefore can't then get at the Neo to fix 
things.

Is there a magic combination here that I can put together so that I can use 
the wireless interface with the SHR load? 

I'll deal with the SIP phone application after I get this up and running.

Cheers!!

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Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread john
Actually one of the things I would like to do with a NanoNote is turn
it into a dedicated Twitter client! I think opinion will always be
divided on form factor. I have owned many devices from the Psion
Series II through to the iPhone but I still like Zaurus clamshell
designs. I also like the idea of a tiny Linux computer in my pocket or
even on a key chain. I don't see the progression as trying to compete
with the iPhone but to look at new areas such as hackable wearable
computing. Thus I am interested in seeing things get smaller and
cheaper and more hackable and not getting more shiny!

John.

2009/7/24 Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de:
[snip]

 Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard
 verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago.
 We are in the SMS/twitter age now. Some vitual keyboard with multi-touch
 usability is sufficient. People who want to write full sentences buy a
 pencil with white paper.


 In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with
 Linux installed ?


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Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-20 Thread john
Congrats! Kudos for going clamshell!

John.

2009/7/20 steven mosher mosherste...@gmail.com:
 A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.
 Drop by and say hello.
 http://www.qi-hardware.com/

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Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread john
Re: OpenLab

2009/7/13 Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org:
 Brenda,

 Brenda Wang wrote:

 +1
 It's really great to hear this.
 In Taiwan, Tsing Hua university also has a OPENlab.


 I would like to work with the community to engage various universities,
 but as I have mentioned before, with limited resources and a press to
 get the Openmoko program stable and moving forward again, I think we
 need to do this systematically and directly.

 In the meantime, do you have a contact name for the OPENlab at Tsing Hua
 University?

 Warmest regards,

 maddog



I made some contact with Openmoko regarding joining their Openlab
programme a while back now and need to follow that up. We have created
an MSc in Network and Mobile Computing which has a module designed to
specifically use Openmoko. The MSc starts this September so I am
very interested to share ideas and help spread the love.

Regards,

John.

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Re: The University of São Paulo's intent to join Op enmoko development

2009-07-13 Thread john
2009/7/13 Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org:
 John,

 I made some contact with Openmoko regarding joining their Openlab
 programme a while back now and need to follow that up. We have created
 an MSc in Network and Mobile Computing which has a module designed to
 specifically use Openmoko. The MSc starts this September so I am
 very interested to share ideas and help spread the love.

 Sounds goodand the university's program to use Openmoko in the MSc
 sounds great.

 Are you then the contact for Openlab?  Can you speak for them?

[snip]

No, I was looking to join and contribute to the materials etc. It is
mainly a bunch of Taiwanese universities. I am based in the UK. I like
the idea of sharing learning resources. I think Openmoko could have a
good future within education so I think your work with USP is a great
step forward.

John.

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Re: bluetooth spam

2009-04-24 Thread john
2009/4/24 Roland Whitehead rol...@quru.com:
 What you haven't experienced then is Toothing. Apparently, it's rife
 on the trains between London and Brighton (in the UK) and often ends
 up with the people toothing each other getting it together... Nothing
 to do with spam. If OpenMoko made this really easy then there'd be
 lots of new users!

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothing


Which has a link to Dogging! BlueDogging anyone? :)

I hacked my Bluetooth logger to post devices found to Twitter. A more
interesting read than most people's Twitter feeds!

John.

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Lightly used FreeRunner for sale

2009-04-15 Thread John Reese
Hi all,

I have an extra FreeRunner, purchased from the first batch of Neos
delivered to the US. It's very lightly used, with a Zagg Invisible
Shield protector on the screen, and comes with an extra (third-party)
battery, original packaging, and all of the goodies that it shipped with.

I'm parting with the FreeRunner because I'm a poor college student who
needs the money for other endeavors.  I'm asking for $250 or best offer, 
which I feel is a reasonable price for the unit, considering it's in 
rather good condition and still has all the accessories.

My specific model has the 900MHz GSM chipset, and is known to work on
the local T-Mobile network without any problems.  Willing to either meet 
locally (Rochester, NY) and exchange for cash, or ship anywhere via 
PayPal payment (buyer pays shipping!).

Although I'm sure you're all aware of what it looks like, a picture of
mine is available at:
   http://files.leetcode.net/uploads/2008/09/cimg2923-modified.jpg

You can contact me off-list at this email address if you're interested.

Cheers all

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Re: Finger Friendly chess program

2009-03-18 Thread John Sullivan
Leonti Bielski prishe...@gmail.com writes:

 Hello!

 I'm looking for chess application to play on my FR.
 What choices do I have?

 Right now I have fltk-chess installed, but it is not finger-friendly
 (board is not resized).


I've been happy with Xboard.

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Re: [Debian] e17 screen lock

2009-03-01 Thread John Sullivan
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net writes:

 John Sullivan ha scritto:
 So, I build e17 from svn and use it with illume on Debian.
 
 By default, the e screen locking function goes to a password lock, which
 obviously isn't good for the FR. I know that on SHR using illume this
 instead goes to a simpler lock mechanism that can be unlocked just by
 pushing a button or whatever. 
 
 Can anyone suggest how I can get behavior like this instead of the
 password lock? 

 Go in enlightenment configuration - Input - Key bindings -
 Keycode-177 define it as Simple Desktop Lock.

Brilliant, thanks.

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Re: Finger friendly browse keyboard

2009-02-28 Thread John Sullivan
Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net writes:

 Hi all,

 Someone mentioned a finger friendly browse keoyboard, and I just could
 not resist making one myself. the result is here:
   http://www.opkg.org/package_144.html


Nice, is there any way to remove the box that usually shows the words
that are being typed at the top? Since no words are being typed, that'd
be a nice way to save space, but I guess if it were easy to remove it
you would have done so already.

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[Debian] e17 screen lock

2009-02-28 Thread John Sullivan
So, I build e17 from svn and use it with illume on Debian.

By default, the e screen locking function goes to a password lock, which
obviously isn't good for the FR. I know that on SHR using illume this
instead goes to a simpler lock mechanism that can be unlocked just by
pushing a button or whatever. 

Can anyone suggest how I can get behavior like this instead of the
password lock? 

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Suggestions for development environment/tools for new app

2009-02-19 Thread John Murphy
I recently got my gta2 running om 2008.12, and I'm enjoying using this
system.

I'm about to start another application, using the gps and touchscreen.  I
have a background in python/gtk, but do C/C++ for a day job.

What development framework/tools/libraries would folks recommend?  I did a
gtk/python app, and while I got it working quickly, it was a little clunky -
As is usually the result of my python/gtk user interfaces!

I've seen the Qtopia development stuff, and also seen C/C++ using gtk or
qt...  Suggestions for a library/tool/env for a new app?

I'd love to be able to run it on X11 or whatever for development, then run
it on the moko when I have it done; recompile OK.
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Re: [debian] Illume won't show any icons

2009-02-12 Thread John Sullivan
Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes:

 Hello,

 I have a fresh e17/illume running under debian, but Illume doesn't display 
 any 
 program entries although there are plenty in /usr/share/applications. I know 
 there are issues with categories since Illume doesn't display all of them, 
 but a known working one was/is Applications (with an 's'). This workaround 
 doesn't work for me, I have Applications as Category but the entry still 
 doesn't appear.
 How may I fix this?

Do you have a menu file installed?

http://wjsullivan.net/git/?p=freerunner.git;a=blob_plain;f=illume-applications.menu;hb=HEAD

is what I use, extracted from a tar that raster put out at some point.

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Re: London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-11 Thread john
I should be there by about 8pm. I will look for an array of geeks :)

2009/2/11 Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net:

 Bump.

 I'll be there between 6 and 6.30.

 And if the batteries on my eee hold out I'll be happy to shove a recent
 android build onto any unattended FRs :)




 gnublade wrote:

 Just pinging the list to say that we're on for the 11th (this
 Wednesday) at the Old Bank of England on Fleet Street from 7.30.

 http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/Old_Bank_of_England/Fleet_Street

 Invite any OM owners, potential owners and interested parties,
 hopefully we can get a good mix of distributions and share our tips,
 tricks and war stories.  If you own an OpenMoko it goes without saying
 bring it with, even if it's a brick you never know somebody might be
 able to breath some life into it.

 Hope to see you there.



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Re: London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-02 Thread john
Yeh, I am up for that.

I will bring my 1973 for a bit of nostalgia!

John.

2009/2/1 Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net:

 Hello all,

 So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still having a pub
 meet on the 11th?

 I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of England
 on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily close to
 work :)

 So who's available and could sup a couple of beers and chat about the state
 of the world/phone?

 I'm Dave, by the way, and only used to be a goth, though the name kinda
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Re: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1

2009-02-02 Thread John Mandereau
joa...@verona.se a écrit :
 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 79
 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 80
 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
 usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 81
 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 81, error -71
 usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 82
 usb 4-1: device not accepting address 82, error -71
 hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
 
 I had this issue before, but only sporadically. Now I get it nearly
 always. What can I do? Will connecting a network adaptor to the
 freerunner in host mode be more reliable?

You may want to try another USB wire.  I recently had device descriptor 
read/64, error -71 failures with the wire shipped with my USB external hard 
disk happen with both the hard disk and the FreeRunner.  The USB wire 
shipped with the FreeRunner works with both the hard disk and the 
FreeRunner; so I suppose this kind of error is the fault of the wire.

Best,
John Mandereau

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Re: New Default Illume Keybd Layout

2009-01-25 Thread John Sullivan
Brock awwa...@thelackthereof.org writes:

 I extracted it and dropped it into place to work in debian. I've been
 using it for several days and like this layout quite a bit... I threw in
 a fuzz factor of 60 for sloppy slapping the keyboard, works great.


Same here, on Debian. Haven't tried the fuzz factor yet but we'll see.

But something I've been meaning to look into for a while -- the font
used for the letters on the keys and for the word suggestions above the
keyboard is very very small. Is there an interface to set that somewhere
or do I need to edit the theme file? It's a bigger font on SHR and FSO.

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[OM2008-12] Default route under wifi always has the USB default route as well...

2009-01-23 Thread john dowd
I followed the instructions on the wiki for setting up the
interfaces file under /etc/network. On the wiki page they have the
following for the wireless interface:

# Wired or wireless interfaces
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp
wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
up route del default gw 192.168.0.200
up route del default gw 192.168.0.200

On the wiki page they mentioned to put the route delete line twice
since the first one did not seem to ever work. Well, putting it twice
never works either. Has anyone been able to successfully remove the
USB interface as the default route? I can do it once I've ssh'd to the
device with a simple command but I'm trying to automate this device as
much as possible since it's going to be used in demonstrations by
people who have no clue.

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Re: Is Israel a Democracy? -- The problem with intellectually insecure whites -- Should Christians Support Israeli Terrorism in Gaza?

2009-01-23 Thread john dowd
 minority. This is a much desired state of 
 affairs for the hostile elites who hold political power and shape public 
 opinion. But it certainly creates some management issues — at least in the 
 long run. After all, it's difficult to come up with an historical example of 
 a nation with a solid ethnic majority (90% white in 1950) that has 
 voluntarily decided to cede political and cultural power. Such 
 transformations are typically accomplished by military invasions, great 
 battles, and untold suffering.

 And it's not as if everyone is doing it. Only Western nations view their own 
 demographic and cultural eclipse as a moral imperative. Indeed, as I have 
 noted previously, it is striking that racial nationalism has triumphed in 
 Israel at the same time that the Jewish intellectual and political movements 
 and the organized Jewish community have been the most active and effective 
 force for a non-white America. Indeed, a poll in 2008 found that Avigdor 
 Lieberman was the second most popular politician in Israel. Lieberman has 
 advocated expulsion of Arabs from Israel and has declared himself a follower 
 of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the leading pioneer of racial Zionism. The most 
 popular politician in the poll was Benjamin Netanyahu — another admirer of 
 Jabotinsky. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni are 
 also Jabotinskyists.

 The racial Zionists are now carrying out yet another orgy of mass murder 
 after a starvation-inducing blockade and the usual triggering assault 
 designed to provoke Palestinian retaliation — which then becomes the cover 
 for claims that Israel is merely defending itself against terrorism. This 
 monstrosity was approved by overwhelming majorities of both Houses of 
 Congress. The craven Bush administration did its part by abstaining from a UN 
 resolution designed by the US Secretary of State as a result of a personal 
 appeal by the Israeli Prime Minister. This is yet another accomplishment of 
 the Israel Lobby, but one they would rather not have discussed in public. 
 People might get the impression that the Lobby really does dictate US foreign 
 policy in the Mideast. Obviously, such thoughts are only entertained by 
 anti-Semites.

 But I digress.

 In managing the eclipse of white America, one strategy of the mainstream 
 media is to simply ignore the issue. Christopher Donovan  (For the media, 
 the less whites think about their coming minority status, the better) has 
 noted that the media, and in particular, the New York Times, are quite 
 uninterested in doing stories that discuss what white people think about this 
 state of affairs.

 It's not surprising that the New York Times — the Jewish-owned flagship of 
 anti-white, pro-multicultural media — ignores the issue. The issue is also 
 missing from so-called conservative media even though one would think that 
 conservatives would find the eclipse of white America to be an important 
 issue. Certainly, their audiences would find it interesting.

 Now we have an article The End of White America written by Hua Hsu, an 
 Assistant Professor of English at Vassar College. The article is a rather 
 depressing display of what passes for intellectual discourse on the most 
 important question confronting white people in America.

 Hsu begins by quoting a passage in F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby in 
 which a character, Tom Buchanan, states: Have you read The Rise of the 
 Colored Empires by this man Goddard? … Well, it's a fine book, and everybody 
 ought to read it. The idea is if we don't look out the white race will 
 be—will be utterly submerged. It's all scientific stuff; it's been proved.

 Buchanan's comment is a thinly veiled reference to Lothrop Stoddard's The 
 Rising Tide of Color which Hsu describes as rationalized hatred presented 
 in a scholarly, gentlemanly, and scientific tone. (This wording that will 
 certainly help him when he comes up for tenure.) As Hsu notes, Stoddard had a 
 doctorate from Harvard and was a member of many academic associations. His 
 book was published by a major publisher. It was therefore precisely the kind 
 of book that a 1920s man of Buchanan's profile — wealthy, Ivy 
 League–educated, at once pretentious and intellectually insecure — might have 
 been expected to bring up in casual conversation.

 Let's ponder that a bit. The simple reality is that in the year 2009 an Ivy 
 League-educated person, at once pretentious and intellectually insecure,  
 would just as glibly assert the same sort of nonsense as Hsu. To wit:

 The coming white minority does not mean that the racial hierarchy of American 
 culture will suddenly become inverted, as in 1995's White Man's Burden, an 
 awful thought experiment of a film, starring John Travolta, that envisions an 
 upside-down world in which whites are subjugated to their high-class black 
 oppressors. There will be dislocations and resentments along the way, but the 
 demographic shifts of the next 40 years

[OM2008-12] syslog output...

2009-01-22 Thread john dowd
I see the syslog.conf file says to put the messages in
/var/log/messages but there is no file and no logged output. I really
need to see the log from when the system was booting. syslogd-ng is
actually running so where is its output?

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Re: [OM2008-12] syslog output...

2009-01-22 Thread john dowd
yes it does, thanks!

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Am Thursday 22 January 2009 20:48:43 schrieb john dowd:
 I see the syslog.conf file says to put the messages in
 /var/log/messages but there is no file and no logged output. I really
 need to see the log from when the system was booting. syslogd-ng is
 actually running so where is its output?

 Cheers!!

 Doesn't logread show the syslog? IIRC it does Correct me if I'm wrong. :)

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Re: [OM2008-12] syslog output...

2009-01-22 Thread john dowd
Actually I spoke too soon.

When I watch my FR boot, I can see the wpa_supplicant is printing out
some errors and a fair amount of text as to what the error is. When I
do a dmesg those messages are not there, when I do a logread to a
file and examine the file, it's not their either. Also, logread is the
output from the driver and kernel printk primitive, not what I would
see in a proper syslog which is where wpa_supplicant and various
startup daemons would print.

Cheers!!

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:58 PM, john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote:
 yes it does, thanks!

 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Am Thursday 22 January 2009 20:48:43 schrieb john dowd:
 I see the syslog.conf file says to put the messages in
 /var/log/messages but there is no file and no logged output. I really
 need to see the log from when the system was booting. syslogd-ng is
 actually running so where is its output?

 Cheers!!

 Doesn't logread show the syslog? IIRC it does Correct me if I'm wrong. :)

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[OM2008-12] Wireless interface won't accept the DHCP offer...

2009-01-21 Thread john dowd
I've configured the FR to use dhcp to get an IP address through the
wireless interface after it connects to the AP using WPA2. This has
been working for quite some time. I did have the occasional event
where the FR would get booted but it would just start cycling along
doing the dhcp discover and after a few minutes of this I would reboot
the FR and the next time up it would come and finish the connection
and I would have a good wireless connection to the FR.

I control both ends (I've created the AP using a laptop, USB wireless
dongle and the s/w application hostapd). The FR boots and negotiates
the wifi access but when it comes to the dhcp negotiation its failing.
I can see the AP listing the DHCP DISCOVER message and sending to the
FR (I know its the FR since the MAC address is correct) the DHCP
OFFER. The FR only prints the DHCP Discover message and never seems to
see the DHCP OFFER.

I haven't done any changes to the s/w on the FR and this problem
usually does go away after a few minutes but its now been a few hours
and doesn't seem to be fixing itself. I'm wondering what kind of
scenarios can occur where the dhcp client just can't use the dhcp
server's offer?

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Re: FrogPad Freerunner

2009-01-18 Thread John Sullivan
Thomas Markus thomas.mar...@phil.uu.nl writes:

 On 1/17/09 12:39 AM, Braydon Fuller wrote:
 Has anybody had any experience with this keyboard?

 http://www.frogpad.com/
 http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/6c82/zoom/


 My girlfriend is using one at work all the time and likes it a lot. It 
 takes some time to get used to though. It takes about 2 to 3 weeks to 
 get up to speed again, but learning dvorak is probably harder :)

 I'm also considering one in combination with a FR on the road for text 
 entry. Haven't tested it though, but it's just a regular USB-keyboard so 
 it should work just fine.

I'm using the bluetooth frogpad with my FR. Works great. It's a little
bulkier than I expected though, and it's not very useful unless you're
sitting down.

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Re: London pub meet

2009-01-16 Thread john
I am up for a few beers and some moko action if I am free on that date
(I will know soon).

Re: the venue

I don't mind the location but something more central might work better
depending who wants to go of course! However, you do have first dibbs
on location :)

John.

2009/1/16 Jan Henkins j...@henkins.za.net:
[snip]

 Depending on the number of people, if we are a small group (8 and less),
 The Dove Inn in Hammersmith is a really nice place. Food is OK, placement
 is fabulous (right on the Thames, see link below) and it's easy to get to.
 However, it is small and popular, we might have to book. What I really
 like about it, is that it has an enclosed area out the back looking on to
 the Thames if somedbody quickly need to nip out for a fix (be it getting
 a GPS or nicotine fix...).

 I will put this in the WIKI as a recommended venue.

 The Dove details:

 http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/15/159/Dove_Inn/Hammersmith

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Re: London pub meet

2009-01-16 Thread john
Hi Jan, I added a couple of pubs to the wiki.

I really don't mind which location. If it became a regular meet it
would be fun to try them all out! By coincidence I appear to have
recommended two Samuel Smith's pubs which might not suit everyone. I
will drink anything me :)

John.

2009/1/16 Jan Henkins j...@henkins.za.net:
[snip]
 Hello John,

 On Fri, January 16, 2009 14:23, john wrote:
 Please suggest a location. I find the BITE site an Indispensable (c)(tm)
 tool in cases like this:

 http://www.beerintheevening.com/

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[boot loader] Error messages from boot loader, are they written to FLASH?

2009-01-15 Thread john dowd
I've worked in other environments with embedded devices and usually,
the boot loader will write any error or information output to FLASH
which can be pulled out and looked at after the fact. I've noticed
that the u-boot for Neo writes some message to the console and then
overwrites it as it recycles back to the boot loader menu. Is there a
way to see this message? While trying to use the AUX and Power button
to navigate and then fumbling for a magnifying glass to read the
screen, I am never able to really read the message that is coming up.

I'm trying to setup my Neo to boot from the uSD.

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Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...

2009-01-14 Thread john dowd
Thanks guys!!

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 john dowd wrote:
 I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but
 not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported:

 Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
 Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs
 Claiming USB DFU Interface...
 Setting Alternate Setting ...
 Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
 dfuERROR, clearing status
 Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
 dfuIDLE, continuing
 Transfer Size = 0x1000
 dfu_upload error -84

 This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future.
 Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks?

 Cheers!!
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 NeoTool will backup your root partition to a flashable jffs2 without
 using dfu-util

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool

 Regards,
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Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...

2009-01-14 Thread john dowd
Well I tried the NeoTool but it has its limitations. I was going to
copy my current configuration to the uSD card as the backup. I tried
the wiki page Booting From SD and was going to prepare the uSD card
by partitioning it. I then saw that there is an entry:

/dev/mmcblk0p1  49792048497872   0% /media/card

when I do a df. When I go to the mount point I found this file:
qtopia_db.sqlite

What the heck is this file doing there?

From what I understand, I must partition the uSD and then copy kernel
 rootfs to the various partitions. Why would an app. have grabbed the
uSD card?

Cheers!!

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:48 AM, john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks guys!!

 On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Dale Maggee anti...@internode.on.net wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 john dowd wrote:
 I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but
 not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported:

 Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
 Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs
 Claiming USB DFU Interface...
 Setting Alternate Setting ...
 Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
 dfuERROR, clearing status
 Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
 dfuIDLE, continuing
 Transfer Size = 0x1000
 dfu_upload error -84

 This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future.
 Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks?

 Cheers!!
 --


 NeoTool will backup your root partition to a flashable jffs2 without
 using dfu-util

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoTool

 Regards,
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Re: [no distro] What console s/w are linux people using to communicate with the Neo FR boot loader?

2009-01-14 Thread john dowd
Well, I tried Neocon, whenever I press a key I just get the message
[closed] printed out for every key and no joy talking to the device.

Is there a console program out there that works right now and that
people are using to communicate with the Neo Freerunner?


On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Gora Mohanty g...@sarai.net wrote:
 On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:38:30 -0800 (PST)
 Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net wrote:




 john dowd wrote:
 
  I've been using minicom but its a disaster. Unless some has settings
  that they would like to share.
 [...]
 Search the wiki for a program called neocon, that seemed to work for me.
 [...]

 Haven't tried using serial terminal software with OpenMoko,
 but in general, have found cutecom to have a nice GUI
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Re: [no distro] What console s/w are linux people using to communicate with the Neo FR boot loader?

2009-01-14 Thread john dowd
OK, it was a integration problem between the keyboard and my chair. I
ran it as root and voila it works.

Thanks everyone who responded.

Cheers!!

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:08 PM, john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, I tried Neocon, whenever I press a key I just get the message
 [closed] printed out for every key and no joy talking to the device.

 Is there a console program out there that works right now and that
 people are using to communicate with the Neo Freerunner?


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 On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:38:30 -0800 (PST)
 Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net wrote:




 john dowd wrote:
 
  I've been using minicom but its a disaster. Unless some has settings
  that they would like to share.
 [...]
 Search the wiki for a program called neocon, that seemed to work for me.
 [...]

 Haven't tried using serial terminal software with OpenMoko,
 but in general, have found cutecom to have a nice GUI
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[om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...

2009-01-13 Thread john dowd
I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but
not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported:

Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs
Claiming USB DFU Interface...
Setting Alternate Setting ...
Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
dfuERROR, clearing status
Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
dfuIDLE, continuing
Transfer Size = 0x1000
dfu_upload error -84

This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future.
Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks?

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Re: [om2008-9] Never able to successfully backup the jffs2 partition...

2009-01-13 Thread john dowd
To be clear, you are saying that this is a u-boot issue? I usually go
and sacrifice a few chickens and make sure that it's a new moon before
I update a bootloader. Especially when I don't have a debug board or
external way of updating flash.

Cheers!!

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
m...@3v1n0.net wrote:
 john dowd wrote:
 I've alway been able to backup the kernel partition of my Neo FR but
 not the jffs2 partition. Here's the error that is reported:

 Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
 Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=4, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, name=rootfs
 Claiming USB DFU Interface...
 Setting Alternate Setting ...
 Determining device status: state = dfuERROR, status = 14
 dfuERROR, clearing status
 Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
 dfuIDLE, continuing
 Transfer Size = 0x1000
 dfu_upload error -84

 This is not a terrible big deal right now but will be in the future.
 Any ideas? Questions comments or rude remarks?

 You should update uboot to get it completed. Uboot-git has a fix for this.
 BTW you can follow the Backup wiki, and generate a jffs2 via ssh without
 dfu-utils ;)

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Re: for sale: openmoko phone

2009-01-12 Thread john dowd
Which version of phone, Free Runner or 1973? Has it the GPS fix?

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM, jamal h...@cyberus.ca wrote:
 Salut,

 Ive been sitting on an openmoko phone i bought when the website first
 came up in July/Aug 2008. It is in good shape given i hardly used it.

 Make me an offer in Ottawa - I will meet you at some coffee shop and
 exchange it for cash.

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Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2

2008-12-30 Thread john dowd
I'm wondering if someone could verify the following SIP interaction
between linphone and the s/w PBX that I'm running.

The Neo registers (using linphone) with the PBX and I can see the
registration happening but then there is a REQUEST NOTIFY coming
from the PBX to linphone. Linphone responds with a 481: Subscription
does not exist. I've attached this interaction in the tcpdump
formatted file and I'm hoping someone would look at it. What I think
is happening is that the PBX is actually informing linphone that there
are some voicemail messages waiting but linphone does not support this
feature and does not know what to do with this part of the protocol.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 I have a Neo freerunner running the 2008.9 load. I have it configured
 to connect using Wifi to my access point using WPA2 encryption. I do
 NOT have a SIMM card in my phone.

 I have managed to make a connection to the PBX sitting on the other
 side of the Access Point. However, the audio that I'm getting is so
 badly broken that it's incomprehensible. I have seen the CPU
 utilization going to 78% using top (not a good way to measure I know).

 What I'm wondering is, does the Neo have the horsepower to be able to
 do this? Is this just an optimization problem that can be addressed or
 am I pushing the phone beyond it's ability.

 Cheers!!

 I have made SIP calls using the linphone CLI over wifi with WPA-TKIP and the
 audio quality was fine. I don't recall which codec it was using, but the
 Freerunner is certainly capable of making high quality SIP calls over
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Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2

2008-12-30 Thread john dowd
True but you never know where knowledge is waiting to be revealed!

I have also posted the question on the PBX

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 On Tuesday 30 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 I'm wondering if someone could verify the following SIP interaction
 between linphone and the s/w PBX that I'm running.

 This would be better directed to the linphone list as it's unlikely to be
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Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2

2008-12-30 Thread john dowd
Sorry, my finger slipped and I posted before I was finished typing...

I have also posted the question on the PBX site (Asterisk). Since SIP
is a standard and Linphone isn't, I didn't really want so much of a
linphone slanted answer but a SIP application answer.

Cheers!!

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:45 PM, john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote:
 True but you never know where knowledge is waiting to be revealed!

 I have also posted the question on the PBX

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Al Johnson
 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 On Tuesday 30 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 I'm wondering if someone could verify the following SIP interaction
 between linphone and the s/w PBX that I'm running.

 This would be better directed to the linphone list as it's unlikely to be
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Re: [2008.12] Make the sound setting permanent

2008-12-24 Thread John Lee
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 09:32:57AM +0100, julien cubizolles wrote:
 Hi, I've switched to Om2008.12 yesterday and really enjoyed it. I'm
 suggesting an improvement to the volume bar during calls. Could the last
 setting be recalled on the next call. So far, I've always needed to set
 it to max and it's not very convenient when you don't use a headset.
 
 Also, what alsa setting does it change ?

Refer to 
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1489
and
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qtopia.git;a=commit;h=eb855af76018bedf6a89b9ac736d2ffa3961932b

It doesn't change alsa, but uses AT+CLVL instead.

 Btw couldn't this volume bar be adjusted by the AUX button (you don't
 really need to lock/unlock during a call).  It would be more convenient
 in my opinion : you don't need to put down the handset to ajust it.
 
 Thanks for the good work,
 
 Julien.

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Re: Acustic 'empty battery warning' ?

2008-12-22 Thread john dowd
I'm sure someone has mentioned this application before but just in
case, have you ever heard of using the accelerometer to check the
batter status? The application that I heard about was: when the
application is running, you shake the FR just like you shake an opaque
water bottle to determine if its full or not, the application will
cause the phone to gurgle with the appropriate pitch in sound that
you would get if the FR's battery was full, half emtpy or empty.

This would be way kewl!!

Cheers!!

2008/12/20 François TOURDE fr...@tourde.org:
 Le 14230ième jour après Epoch,
 Lothar Behrens écrivait:

 Am 17.12.2008 um 13:16 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors:

 Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@lollisoft.de writes:
 Is there a way to do this ?

 while true; do
  if [ `capacity` -lt 10 ]; then
  alert
  fi
  sleep 120
 done


 this is a starting point :-)

 I've a small script that works as a daemon, checking interval depends
 on the charge (described on a file), play sounds (except when
 charging) depending on the current charge.

 There is no doc, no install proc, it's not packaged, but it can be
 done easily...

 The config file (default values in the script) contains:

  # Les différents niveaux
  THRESHOLDS=100:20:1200: 20:10:600:low 10:5:150:critical 5:0:30:emergency

 Each group of check parms is max:min:delay:sound

 If level is between (_max_,_min_), the aplay _sound_.wav and wait _delay_
 for next check.

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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.

I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package
by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed
to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order
to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my
laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can
then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this
is really going to suck.

I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code
(if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle
debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be
appreciated.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
 Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
 extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually)
 install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to
 the debian archives directly?

 Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M
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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the
username for the user account of the registration. In the
configuration files of the cli version its set correctly.

I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it
tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even
try.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the same,
 so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy it over
 the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the registration
 details from one and paste it into the other.

 On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.

 I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package
 by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed
 to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order
 to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my
 laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can
 then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this
 is really going to suck.

 I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
 settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code
 (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle
 debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be
 appreciated.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors

 timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
  Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
  extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually)
  install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access to
  the debian archives directly?
 
  Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M
  of space but SD cards are cheap.
 
 
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Re: 2008.12 illume theme

2008-12-19 Thread John Lee
try disable qtopia under /etc/X11/Xsession.d first, restart X,
finish the config, move qtopia back...


- John

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 03:45:09PM +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
  ... yes, you maybe need some trys to get there without a segfault :) 
 
 I get the segfault directly at startup no matter how many times I try.
 Is there any way to do the engine change somehow when the asu theme is
 running or via ssh?
 
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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
2.1.1 it appears. And since I have never used gnome (I'm a KDE guy), I
had not thought of checking the gnome resource directory. I'll modify
it and see if that gets it working.

Since you seem to be in an informative mood I have one more question
(for now.. lol). The array of Icon's displayed by the GUI (I guess I'm
using illume/enlightenment GUI) only shows a blank box for the
linphone icon. I can see that it installed various png files to use.
Any ideas what I should look at as to why its not displaying the
proper icon file?

Thanks for all your help Al.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and
 ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too.

 On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the
 username for the user account of the registration. In the
 configuration files of the cli version its set correctly.

 I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it
 tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even
 try.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson

 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
  The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the
  same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and copy
  it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy the
  registration details from one and paste it into the other.
 
  On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
  Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.
 
  I was able to get the linphone application installed manually (package
  by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've only managed
  to get the command line version to work. So (this is funny), in order
  to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh into it from my
  laptop and then using the command line linphonec application, I can
  then actually register with the PBX and place a call. As a demo, this
  is really going to suck.
 
  I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
  settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source code
  (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the twinkle
  debian package and try to install it. Any further advice would be
  appreciated.
 
  Cheers!!
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
 
  timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
   Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
   extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to (manually)
   install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system, and get access
   to the debian archives directly?
  
   Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra 200M
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Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
I have a Neo freerunner running the 2008.9 load. I have it configured
to connect using Wifi to my access point using WPA2 encryption. I do
NOT have a SIMM card in my phone.

I have managed to make a connection to the PBX sitting on the other
side of the Access Point. However, the audio that I'm getting is so
badly broken that it's incomprehensible. I have seen the CPU
utilization going to 78% using top (not a good way to measure I know).

What I'm wondering is, does the Neo have the horsepower to be able to
do this? Is this just an optimization problem that can be addressed or
am I pushing the phone beyond it's ability.

Cheers!!

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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
Already checked but no joy.

Al, I was fooling around with the GUI and found the About menu item
that had the linphone website on it. Rather than bother you and the
community (since I'm actually being paid to do this!!) I'll work
through the website and figure out my problems. Thanks for the help.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 Probably the wrong path to the icon in the .desktop file which from memory
 will be something like /usr/share/applications/linphone.desktop

 On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 2.1.1 it appears. And since I have never used gnome (I'm a KDE guy), I
 had not thought of checking the gnome resource directory. I'll modify
 it and see if that gets it working.

 Since you seem to be in an informative mood I have one more question
 (for now.. lol). The array of Icon's displayed by the GUI (I guess I'm
 using illume/enlightenment GUI) only shows a blank box for the
 linphone icon. I can see that it installed various png files to use.
 Any ideas what I should look at as to why its not displaying the
 proper icon file?

 Thanks for all your help Al.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Al Johnson

 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
  Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and
  ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too.
 
  On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
  But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the
  username for the user account of the registration. In the
  configuration files of the cli version its set correctly.
 
  I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it
  tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even
  try.
 
  Cheers!!
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson
 
  openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
   The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the
   same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and
   copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy
   the registration details from one and paste it into the other.
  
   On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
   Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.
  
   I was able to get the linphone application installed manually
   (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've
   only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is
   funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh
   into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec
   application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a
   call. As a demo, this is really going to suck.
  
   I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
   settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source
   code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the
   twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice
   would be appreciated.
  
   Cheers!!
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
  
   timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to
(manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system,
and get access to the debian archives directly?
   
Chroot is the easiest way to do that. Surely it will waste extra
200M of space but SD cards are cheap.
   
   
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Re: Performance Issues using Neo wifi and WPA2

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
I'll have to look through the community mails then. I have seen people
referring to optimization problems. Perhaps I'm running into some
questionable s/w. For now, my requirements were to only show a mobile
phone registering with the s/w PBX. Voice was not part of the initial
requirements. However, for demonstration purposes I would really like
to have it working.

Thanks for you confirmation Al, it gives me a start if I have to work
on this problem.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Al Johnson
openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 I have a Neo freerunner running the 2008.9 load. I have it configured
 to connect using Wifi to my access point using WPA2 encryption. I do
 NOT have a SIMM card in my phone.

 I have managed to make a connection to the PBX sitting on the other
 side of the Access Point. However, the audio that I'm getting is so
 badly broken that it's incomprehensible. I have seen the CPU
 utilization going to 78% using top (not a good way to measure I know).

 What I'm wondering is, does the Neo have the horsepower to be able to
 do this? Is this just an optimization problem that can be addressed or
 am I pushing the phone beyond it's ability.

 Cheers!!

 I have made SIP calls using the linphone CLI over wifi with WPA-TKIP and the
 audio quality was fine. I don't recall which codec it was using, but the
 Freerunner is certainly capable of making high quality SIP calls over
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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-19 Thread john dowd
I found the problem. The actual directory being searched by default is
the /usr/share/pixmap. Linphone is installing a directory containing
its various png files there but not putting the extended path into
the desktop.linphone file.

Cheers!!

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:03 AM, john dowd jdowds...@gmail.com wrote:
 Already checked but no joy.

 Al, I was fooling around with the GUI and found the About menu item
 that had the linphone website on it. Rather than bother you and the
 community (since I'm actually being paid to do this!!) I'll work
 through the website and figure out my problems. Thanks for the help.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Al Johnson
 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
 Probably the wrong path to the icon in the .desktop file which from memory
 will be something like /usr/share/applications/linphone.desktop

 On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
 2.1.1 it appears. And since I have never used gnome (I'm a KDE guy), I
 had not thought of checking the gnome resource directory. I'll modify
 it and see if that gets it working.

 Since you seem to be in an informative mood I have one more question
 (for now.. lol). The array of Icon's displayed by the GUI (I guess I'm
 using illume/enlightenment GUI) only shows a blank box for the
 linphone icon. I can see that it installed various png files to use.
 Any ideas what I should look at as to why its not displaying the
 proper icon file?

 Thanks for all your help Al.

 Cheers!!

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Al Johnson

 openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
  Which version are you running? It used to be ~/.linphonerc for CLI and
  ~/.gnome2/linphone for GUI in 1.6 and 1.7, and probably 2.x too.
 
  On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
  But where does it go? Right now, the linphone application is using the
  username for the user account of the registration. In the
  configuration files of the cli version its set correctly.
 
  I tried to run strace on the GUI version to watch and see when it
  tried to open a configuration file but no joy. Didn't seem to even
  try.
 
  Cheers!!
 
  On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Al Johnson
 
  openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote:
   The structure of the config files for the linphone CLI and GUI are the
   same, so you should be able to take the working one for the CLI and
   copy it over the GUI one. At the very least you should be able to copy
   the registration details from one and paste it into the other.
  
   On Friday 19 December 2008, john dowd wrote:
   Thanks for the response guys, I appreciate the help.
  
   I was able to get the linphone application installed manually
   (package by package) onto the Neo. It even works to a point. I've
   only managed to get the command line version to work. So (this is
   funny), in order to place a SIP phone call from my Neo, I have to ssh
   into it from my laptop and then using the command line linphonec
   application, I can then actually register with the PBX and place a
   call. As a demo, this is really going to suck.
  
   I can't seem to configure the GUI version to use the appropriate
   settings to register with the PBX. I'll have a look at the source
   code (if I can find it) and if it's a dead end, I'll pull apart the
   twinkle debian package and try to install it. Any further advice
   would be appreciated.
  
   Cheers!!
  
   On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
  
   timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote:
Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com writes:
extrapolating this point further, would it be possible to
(manually) install apt and related tools to an om2008.9 system,
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Re: Stage of GTA03 development?

2008-12-18 Thread john
A similar situation in London. Apparently we have the most WiFi
hotspots in comparison to other cities [1] but you will have to pay to
use the majority of these as they are operated by telecos like BT.

[1] 
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/29/london-trounces-rest-of-world-in-quest-for-wifi-dominance/

I have a deal to use T-Mobile hotspots but never used them as I just
leave my device connected via 3G. The only time I switch to WiFi
outside my house is when I am at my local pub which has poor GSM
signal and free WiFI.

Having said that, the only application I tend to hammer the 3G on is
Internet radio. I like to chillax to KCRW on my commute!

John.

2008/12/18 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com:
[snip]

 Improving to 3G is therefore a nice to have for me. Not mandatory.

 here is where i'd disagree. i can walk down my street in sydney - 100% of wifi
 spots are locked (wep/wpa etc.) - no one opens them. yopur choice is spotty
 wifi hotspots you have to pay for. the other option is 3g (umts/hsdpa etc.)
 which has pretty good coverage most areas in urban settings - even outside. i
 think there seems to be some assumption that wifi is so widespread in urban
 areas (and it comes at a cost equal to or cheaper than 3g datarates). this is
 not the case in australia. not to mention the datarates for 3g are MUCH less
 than 2g - they give you a discount for 3g data, but for 2g, it's rap you silly
 per kilobyte. why? the phone network's 2g data setup was NOT designed for 
 heavy
 data usage - it's being abused for data and that impacts call quality and the
 providers will appropriately price the service based on the network ability to
 provide. so 3g is reasonable. for 2g i will never pay for it as its 
 outragoeus.

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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-18 Thread john dowd
Well, I flashed my Neo with the Om2008.9-gta02-20081106 image and
jffs2 file system and I have a phone that boots once again. In fact I
have it fully functional with my original target of an automatic wifi
connection using WPA2 encryption to my Access Point. I'm running a
laptop with hostapd and a USB wireless Dongle configured to be the
wireless access point. I'm building my system out of experimental
parts as a demo for my customer.

On the laptop I have:
2.6.28-rc5 kernel (experimental)
USB Wireless Dongle driver rt2x00usb (experimental and I had to hack it)
hostapd Appilcation (release 0.6.6... experimental)
Asterisk - open source PBX application

I was using a Nokia e71 wifi and SIP enabled phone to connect to the
access point that I had created but it would not see the SSID of my
Access Point. This worried me since I had created it all on bleeding
edge s/w and perhaps I had bled myself into a corner but, when I
checked, all other devices could at least see my access point. I just
happened to have been given a Neo Freerunner by the customer as well
for future work. Well, it had 3 obvious advantages over the Nokia
phone,

1. I could get at the s/w on it.
2.  It Moos when it flips over.
3. Thanks to the ground breaking work of Carlo Menucci, it sends good vibes!!

The last step is now before me, I need to get a SIP phone to work on
the Neo (that's why the customer had originally chosen the e71, its a
SIP enabled phone). There seems to be 2 available for the Neo but both
present me with problems. The SIP phone called Twinkle is only
available on the Debian distro. The SIP phone called Linphone seems
to have some library issues.

Is there an easy way of porting a Debian package to the opkg format?
Can the library issues with Linphone be easily solved? The errors I
see when I try to install it as per the instructions on the Linphone
page is:


r...@om-gta02:/etc/opkg# opkg update
parseVersion: ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion:
ERROR: epoch in version is not numberparseVersion: ERROR: epoch in
version is not numberparseVersion:
ERROR: epoch in version is not numberDownloading
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/all/Packages.gz

this goes on for quite some time.

Cheers!!

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:56 PM,  roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
 Konstantin wrote:
 roguem...@roguewrt.org schrieb:
 [  204.715000] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcs2
 [  204.72] PM:Removing info for No Bus:vcsa2

 Essentially the Neo is now a brick. I'm wondering where to go from
 here. I have installed 2008 version of the s/w on the phone.
 Unfortunately without the exact steps you took to get into this
 situation, we're unable to determine the correct steps to get you out.

 The most generic answers would be:

 1). Reflash with your preferred distribution.
 2). Boot from SD Card, access the flash memory and correct your mistake.

 Although I'm not sure if '2)' is possible as I've never tried. I've only
 ever come in from the other direction (modify SD from flash).

 Potentially, if it is simply the x server not starting, you may still be
 able to ssh in via usb and correct your mistake.

 I *might* just have the same problem. I tried opkg-upgrading my FDOM 
 (OM2008.9)
 to testing, and now booting stops with the same messages the original poster 
 has
 seen, plus the same vor vcs1 and vcsa1. Haven't found a way to fix this,
 unfortunately, as ssh doesn't seem to be running. The kernel however is still
 alive, responds to pings and prints out information about the changed power
 state when plugging in the charger or the usb cable.

 It's really hard to say. I know first hand that an opkg upgrade to
 testing can cause this. The original poster was having other issues
 aswell however.

 I'd say if your problems aren't intermittent then you may just have a
 bad upgrade. I'm tempted to think the dropbear problem is back aswell,
 as I overwrote all config files, the default a while back prevented ssh
 access except for localhost? or something silly. I remember having to
 modify the startup script via the om terminal app. Either way, I think
 using a testing image before opkg upgrading via testing is probably a
 better option. I haven't tried the FDOM script ... at all ... or FDOM
 for that matter ... but I imagine it would apply to testing?

 Sarton

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Re: Trying to get support for some Neo setup problems...

2008-12-17 Thread john dowd
Thanks for the reply Sarton,
I'm in the process now of flashing in another load onto the Neo. I
have the SD card that came with the Neo. I'm running from FLASH right
now. I never put a load on the SD.

I'm not so sure I would accuse the boot loader unless there's
something you know that I don't. The system does start to boot but it
fails somewhere along the way. The kernel is loading but fails while
loading modules I think. I noticed that when it has stopped writing to
the console I can then plug in or remove the USB cable and I get the
usual module load/unload output to the console. I'm beginning to
suspect that the X server is dying. Unfortunately, I can't get at the
device through a console to muck about with it.

Cheers!!

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:05 PM,  roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
 john dowd wrote:
 [SNIP]
 My point is that without modifying files on my Neo, it starts to
 behave differently.

 I have even more strange behaviour to report. After several reboot
 attempts (but no modifications to the Neo) it suddenly booted properly
 and I was up and running again. This was true for the last few hours.
 Now, it just started to behave badly once again. I am still testing my
 Access Point and the Neo gets booted quite a few times. its plugged
 into the power supply. Since I want the Neo to come up on its own I
 don't use the power switch/Gui to turn it off. I bring up a terminal
 and type in reboot.

 Ah ... are you running from SD Card already or from flash?

 This sort of behaviour is typical of unsupported SD Cards. If you are
 running from SD, what size is it? There are some tricks to get some
 cards working but I have had success with all 2GB cards.

 If you are running from nand, all I could suggest is a u-boot upgrade.
 Outside of that maybe there are hardware issues?

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