Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
Giles Jones wrote: Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : it's open-source (BSD license), so all the code is available to build on whatever environment/architecture you want (as far as my limited understanding of portable code/interpretation of the gears wiki goes, anyway)

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A simple thing. Parse and extract all messages. That would be the first important step. Ooops, every forum software creates something unique, you've got not only x different kinds of forum software packages, no you usually can change the HTML

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Marcel de Jong
Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rod Whitby wrote: snip NNTP is another option - and there are NNTP-email gateways since forever. There is also much web-based NNTP readers out there. When you create a Google Group, can you then also set it to create a Usenet newsgroup? If so,

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread ramsesoriginal
On 7/26/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of [Subforum]-tag before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last mail of that thread. To start a new topic, just write [Subforum] New Topic Name as Subject of the

Re: qemu trouble...

2007-07-26 Thread Tim Niemeyer
Hallo Did you run modprobe gadgetfs default_uid=your uid before running QEMU? Yes. Output from mount: gadget on /dev/gadget type gadgetfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) Output from ls /dev/gadget/: insgesamt 0 dr-xr-xr-x 1 reddog root0 2007-07-23 11:50 . drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4,4K

Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)

2007-07-26 Thread vivek khurana
On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um... That doesn't seem to get Gmail to thread the messages at all. You're solution is Just don't use Gmail. Duh!. That's not a valid answer to my question. Before you suggest it, the following is also an invalid response: use Outlook or

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Ortwin Regel
On 7/26/07, Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently read some press article that stated that for younger people, email was dead, and everything happened on MSN. well, I, for one, won't be often in those stupid HTML forums either, I consider those things * a waste of resources and

Re: qemu trouble...

2007-07-26 Thread Giles Jones
Tim Niemeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : No i haven't such a message. But when i type usb_add gadget:1, the qemu says in the QEMU monitor: (qemu) Could not remove USB device '0.5' Why? Seems to me like he gets some errors and want trys an automatic usb_remove... I get this when I

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Nick Johnson
This is hardly terribly complicated: Just have an email address per forum. You can subscribe to a list for each (sub)forum, and to post you just email the appropriate address. -Nick Johnson On 7/26/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can hardly imagine how this really

RE: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread marcus.3.fletcher
-Original Message- From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 July 2007 07:49 To: OpenMoko community Subject: Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much Am 26.07.2007 um 08:06 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... So when an official forum is blessed by

Re: External Handler Proof of Concept

2007-07-26 Thread Jim McDonald
Kero van Gelder wrote: [...] I'll think about the extension concept a bit more. The fact that you chose a scenario to modify a phone number is interesting. How about calling a person from a Contact? and then choosing VoIP or GSM by those extensions? (specifically, I do not think gsmd is the

[Community Tools] Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
if they are connected, then there isn't anything to be decidet. Well, there was already the hint that gmane or Google Groups can do exactly that *or even do it* (mirror the mailing list in a Web based forum-like view). But apparently it did not find enough acceptance (including myself).

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of [Subforum]-tag before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last mail of that thread. To start a new topic, just write [Subforum] New Topic Name as Subject of the mail. At least i would implement it this way. And if it isn't

Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Geert Schuring
Hey all, I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading, and easy subscribing. So why not move to newsgroups? Greetz, Geert Schuring. The Netherlands.

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Giles Jones
Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : it's open-source (BSD license), so all the code is available to build on whatever environment/architecture you want (as far as my limited understanding of portable code/interpretation of the gears wiki goes, anyway)

Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)

2007-07-26 Thread Ortwin Regel
You are talking about flat, web forum style threading, though. What he wants is tree style threading like in the ML archives, Slashdot comments etc. Ortwin On 7/26/07, vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um... That doesn't seem to get Gmail

Re: Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Marcel de Jong
Geert Schuring [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey all, I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading, and easy subscribing. So why not move to newsgroups? Indeed, for the forum

FW: OpenMoko e-mail address confirmation

2007-07-26 Thread Dean Collins
To whoever is running the wiki - the ip address lookup service is incorrect. No big deal but if you have people hacking the wiki there will be no way to actually check their IP address. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:08, Mark Eichin wrote: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... Not that I want to treat you like a muppet, but

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Jason Elwell
Mark, You will find out very soon that the rootfs image you used is badly broken. gta01-20070704215706 has a bug that causes gsmd to not respond. The issue has been corrected in later builds. You can either build it yourself, or I have made a recent recent build available at

Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread David Gathright
Hey, all! I've been following OpenMoko for a while now and have just joined this list. I hope this question is on-topic. I've been looking for information on whether or not it will be possible with OpenMoko to disable the data link to the cell phone company. I can't find anything about that.

Re: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread Giles Jones
On 26 Jul 2007, at 19:21, David Gathright wrote: So, will OpenMoko let you disable the data link? Anything and everything is possible. Hopefully it would be a possibility via the interface. Otherwise the shell is your friend. ___ OpenMoko

openmoko at the chaos communication camp 2007

2007-07-26 Thread Joachim Steiger
hi there. for those who do not know yet: there will be a huge open air hacker gathering in germany finding place at an old airfield near berlin for more details please click here http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007/Intro/ some people from openmoko and hopefully many interested hackers will gather

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Frederic Kettelhoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would it be possible to get some blueprints of the device? I don't need artist drawing, but it would be really really helpful to get the blueprints for the case (inside and outside) as soon as possible. There are reasonably high res pictures on

Re: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Actually, philosophically, by default it's disabled. You need to run a pppd to connect, as a GSM modem just provides one with a modem emulation. Now the question is if the software will automatically connect you, but I guess, there will be always an

Re: Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Sebastian Krause
Eric van Horssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Niels L. Ellegaard wrote: You can already read all the openmoko mailing lists as nntp (also known as newsgroups) at www.gmane.org. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community My provider doesn't have this group, allthough it does

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread Joachim Steiger
Shachar Shemesh wrote: [...] Meanwhile, is there any way to run the OS only in an emulator? On another ARM platform, perhaps? take a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU that qemu emulates the GTA01bv4 hardware or at least does that to a degree which is enough to boot

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Jeff Andros
On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it does boot to Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. But it has a penguin on-screen :-) and thus you are one step above any phone I've ever seen -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Marco Barreno
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 01:13:49PM -0400, thus spake Mark Eichin: [...] In fact, the second layer had the headset, the laser pointer, the strap, the flex-cable for the debug board, and the 2 usb cables (the debug board itself is in the upper level.) I note from the picture on

Re: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread Giles Jones
On 26 Jul 2007, at 22:15, Tim Newsom wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:32, Giles Jones wrote: Anything and everything is possible. Obviously, you mean this withing the realm of programming openmoko. Otherwise, its a very broad and bold statement. /grin --Tim Well it's a fairly clean

Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?

2007-07-26 Thread richard5
Try powering the gsm antenna on manually. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Harrison Metzger wrote: Mark, Thanks for the reply but it dosent work. Clicking that icon also crashes the bar. I have tried 3 different sim cards that all work in 3 other phones but on neo keeps

Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?

2007-07-26 Thread Jason Elwell
Harry, Have you tried re-seating the card? Perhaps the contacts are not meeting up. When I inserted mine, I slid the SIM into the metal piece while it was vertical, then closed it. To lock the metal piece, you have to slide it a little. Good luck. Jason On Thursday 26 July 2007 21:06:05

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! Ok, now I feel stupid. Guess you get to call me a muppet after all :-} The batteries and cards were all wrapped together in one of the foam cutouts. I don't know how I missed it this

Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread George Barta
I added a new page on the wiki with instructions that worked for me on Ubuntu 7.0.4. Its pretty rough right now, but feel free to change it. If someone can verify that it works, we can put a link to it from the other pages. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Gadget_USB_Module George On

Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?

2007-07-26 Thread Harrison Metzger
Mark, Thanks for the reply but it dosent work. Clicking that icon also crashes the bar. I have tried 3 different sim cards that all work in 3 other phones but on neo keeps tilling me that my sim card is not inserted (CME ERROR 10). Harry On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: External Handler Proof of Concept

2007-07-26 Thread Kero van Gelder
I'll think about the extension concept a bit more. The fact that you chose a scenario to modify a phone number is interesting. How about calling a person from a Contact? and then choosing VoIP or GSM by those extensions? (specifically, I do not think gsmd is the place where the call should

Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to build it? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Setting_up_USB_connection I'll note that the later Ubuntu kernels seem to have: CONFIG_USB_GADGET=m # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_DUMMY_HCD is not set CONFIG_USB_GADGETFS=m

Re: Duplicate Message Remover for Thunderbird

2007-07-26 Thread ewanm89
There is one built into claws-mail (sylpheed-claws) On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:05:09 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Moko-Magicians... For those of us using Thunderbird, you can download a Duplicate Message Remover add-on from here:

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Marco Crociani - Tyrael wrote: 2007/7/25, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm so jealous I live abroad and have to wait another day to have my neo sent, and than wait some time, just to wait to pay tax at customs when neo arrives to Poland! Lucky you. In Israel, the first time you

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Marco Barreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking at that picture, and it looks to me like there are two white batteries in the lower level right by the case handle, next to the MicroSD card(s). If those two white things aren't batteries, what are they? Those look like the batteries,

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Jason Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark, You will find out very soon that the rootfs image you used is badly broken. gta01-20070704215706 has a bug that causes gsmd to not respond. The issue has been corrected in later builds. You can either build it yourself, or I have made a

Re: qemu trouble...

2007-07-26 Thread Lars Hallberg
John Seghers skrev: Heh. Yeah, I was puzzled by that when I first read the web page that describes this. Basically, the ifconfig command is specifying the IP address for the Desktop's end of the USB connection. The QEMU side of the connection seems to be hardwired to 192.168.0.202. That

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Oh, right, doesn't need the debug board (which I left at home) to just install a new root filesystem: % wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070704215706.rootfs.jffs2 % sudo ./src/host/dfu-util/src/dfu-util -a 5 -R -D

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Jason Elwell
Cool. Glad to hear you got your device (and found a way to power it). Congrats! -Jason On Thursday 26 July 2007 12:17:52 Mark Eichin wrote: Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They never do work on USB with no battery, it's just how the electronics are designed. That's good to know.

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They never do work on USB with no battery, it's just how the electronics are designed. That's good to know. Shame about the missing bits, this may be of interest however: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery The battery is a one 3.7V

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Peter Trapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you checked this wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 Before you start The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very limited functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux. Therefore, before you start, please ...

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Chris Kuethe
On 7/26/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Couple of months ago there was a problem amongst phase 0 developers - if their phone's battery was completly dead neo1973 did not charge it. I donno if this was fixed but charging battery in external charger (or in other phone - ie. Nokia)

Re: NOT _YOUR_ ORDER (was Re: [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1820] Order shipped:)

2007-07-26 Thread Jason Elwell
HEHE. Too funny! BTW, just to rub it in a little, not only did I get the shipment confirmation, but the phone arrived today! :) Jason On 7/25/07, Andy Loughran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: argh... thought this message was for my order = please change the subject! :) hehe Andy

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Peter Trapp
hi again, I found the link (and several others) for updating thekernel, rootfs ( u-boot - be careful this can break the device, but you have an advanced set :) ) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/7/26, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! You did not receive any of the uSD cards? No batteries either? The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... Couple of months ago there was a

RE: qemu trouble...

2007-07-26 Thread John Seghers
Giles Jones wrote: On 25 Jul 2007, at 23:42, John Seghers wrote: ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting that the IP you use for usb0 is 192.168.0.200, then ssh into 202. I thought this was a typo then considered that it was deliberate.

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/7/26, Marco Crociani - Tyrael [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, the shipping for rest of the world? Mine isn't shipped yet ;( cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-26 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Valerio Bruno wrote: Forum is a better tool for heavy communication than ML, and it's the only one That it is a better tool is just an assertion that I don't concur with. usable by non-technic newbie user (like a 14 years old boy that plays with

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread Marco Crociani - Tyrael
2007/7/25, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2007/7/25, Cindy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It shipped! I'm so jealous I live abroad and have to wait another day to have my neo sent, and than wait some time, just to wait to pay tax at customs when neo arrives to Poland! ;-) So, the shipping

Re: OK, the forum is coming..

2007-07-26 Thread Valerio Bruno
Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, a newbie forum is fine, do as you like. Although one might argue that you are splitting the community in two. The problem is that you need a communication tool that is appropriate for newbies. And it must be appropriate for power user, or you'll

Everybody register at Local Groups please!

2007-07-26 Thread Geert Schuring
Hey all, Let's all register at the local groups! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups At some point in the near future it will be very nice to be able to meet others owners/developers of a Neo1973. To share idea's, or to test group functionality, or just for a beer of course :)

Re: Appeals to Linux hardware hackers?

2007-07-26 Thread Mark
I agree that they have a different motivation, but I do think they can be useful to our community. What we need to do is try to get them to hack OpenMoko onto proprietary phones. It will not only get them looking at and improving our software, but I think it would be funny to see people start

Re: Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Thursday 26 July 2007 11:53:55 Eric van Horssen wrote: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community My provider doesn't have this group, allthough it does have some gmane.* groups Should al gmane lists be available everywhere? Yes, at the very least using

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread ramsesoriginal
On 7/26/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 26.07.2007 um 08:06 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... So when an official forum is blessed by someone, please make sure it is a forum that has a *bidirectional* email gateway. Anything else is simply sub-standard for my

RE: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread marcus.3.fletcher
... So when an official forum is blessed by someone, please make sure it is a forum that has a *bidirectional* email gateway. Anything else is simply sub-standard for my usage patterns. ... -- Rod Whitby -- MokoMakefile author Mail2Forum sounds like it could help:

Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)

2007-07-26 Thread ramsesoriginal
Ehrm.. try looking at the settings, maybe you habe simply deactivated it. Because for me it works pretty fine with the threated view. oh, yes, and by the way, the possibility to format text and include images/links/wathever would be really good for the average user. On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL

Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Harrison Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, I received my neo today and have been playing around with it a bunch. I can get any of the phone part of the phone to work. I have been playing around with the GSM AT command set and issuing commands to the modem manually and from

Re: External Handler Proof of Concept

2007-07-26 Thread Jim McDonald
Kero van Gelder wrote: Something I thought of, the application (or whatever) that might want to register an extension need not be started yet. After all, DBus is capable of starting applications (and I'm sure Contacts, Agenda and a few more will be in the nearby future). Yep I'm planning

Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to build it? William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Ubuntu Fiesty is a pretty common distribution which doesn't encourage custom kernel building is their any possibility of having someone wrap up a .deb package based

Re: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread Ian Darwin
David Gathright wrote: Hey, all! I've been following OpenMoko for a while now and have just joined this list. I hope this question is on-topic. I've been looking for information on whether or not it will be possible with OpenMoko to disable the data link to the cell phone company. I can't

Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread William Voorhees
Since Ubuntu Fiesty is a pretty common distribution which doesn't encourage custom kernel building is their any possibility of having someone wrap up a .deb package based on the -generic kernel with the appropriate changes (gadgetfs) to enable USB networking? -Will

Re: another linux platform platform

2007-07-26 Thread Ted Lemon
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 08:23 -0700, Tim Newsom wrote: They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot image. Does anyone know if this is

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Peter Trapp
Have you checked this wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 Before you start The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very limited functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux. Therefore, before you start, please ... (update kernel? and rootfs) There should

Re: [Community Tools] Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Steven **
Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is one possible issue. The moko-gmane users would not want to receive a copy of all messages to the mailing lists. I know you can post messages without being subscribed, but the messages have to be approved. I don't think this will work. So,

Re: [Community Tools] Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Steven **
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, there was already the hint that gmane or Google Groups can do exactly that *or even do it* (mirror the mailing list in a Web based forum-like view). But apparently it did not find enough acceptance (including myself). My main

whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Product naming / wiki page naming / restructuring

2007-07-26 Thread Harald Welte
Hi! Since we're now working on the phase 2 neo, i.e. what is now known officially as Neo1973 GTA02, I'd like to address one issue: For many information in the public wiki, it is not clear whether it is 1) general information about the openmoko 2007 software 1b) information about future software

another linux platform platform

2007-07-26 Thread Tim Newsom
I just noticed this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot image. Does anyone

Next batch of Neo1973s.

2007-07-26 Thread Ian Stirling
Best guesses from the uninformed are that 1000 orders have been made for phones. (based on P1_Orders, ...) And 1000 phones have been made. Have the next batch been ordered? If so, approximately when are they due? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Giles Jones
Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : But why are we even bothering to have this discussion? Web forums aren#39;t stupid. They are a popular tool for discussion on the internet. If you are too stupid to use them, that#39;s not my problem. Maybe there's confusion? the forums were only

Re: Switch to newsgroup

2007-07-26 Thread Niels L. Ellegaard
Geert Schuring [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading, and easy subscribing. So why not move to newsgroups? You can already read all the openmoko mailing

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 26.07.2007 um 08:06 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... So when an official forum is blessed by someone, please make sure it is a forum that has a *bidirectional* email gateway. Anything else is simply sub-standard for my usage patterns. ... -- Rod Whitby -- MokoMakefile author Mail2Forum

Re: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread Tim Newsom
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:32, Giles Jones wrote: Anything and everything is possible. Obviously, you mean this withing the realm of programming openmoko. Otherwise, its a very broad and bold statement. /grin --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing

Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread William Voorhees
The following Wiki page has the instructions about the modules needed to setup the device. While I have enough experience to follow them I'm unfamiliar with module-assistant, would it be possible to add the required modules through module assistant? -Will

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Krzysztof Kajkowski writes: Mine isn't shipped yet ;( Mine shipped last night. Currently between San Pablo CA and Albuquerque, NM. ETA is Monday. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Andy Powell
On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:08, Mark Eichin wrote: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... Not that I want to treat you like a muppet, but you do know that there are 2 layers of

Re: another linux platform platform

2007-07-26 Thread David Pottage
On Thu, July 26, 2007 4:23 pm, Tim Newsom wrote: I just noticed this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to placing security in the

Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order

2007-07-26 Thread andy selby
It shipped! I'm so jealous I live abroad and have to wait another day to have my neo sent, and than wait some time, just to wait to pay tax at customs when neo arrives to Poland! ;-) So, the shipping for rest of the world? Mine's coming tomorrow and I live in the U.K. A UPS person

RE: Data Link Disable Capability?

2007-07-26 Thread David S Gathright
Thanks for the replies, all. I guess what I was wishing for was a 'built-in' way to disable the connection (call it 'economy mode' for the 'thrift-conscious'). I can settle for a hack, though, I suppose...as long as it's not too much of a pain (i.e. having to repeat N steps every N

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Tim Newsom
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:06, Mark Eichin wrote: Ok, now I feel stupid. Guess you get to call me a muppet after all :-} The batteries and cards were all wrapped together in one of the foam cutouts. I don't know how I missed it this morning, when I got home I went through every compartment to

OpenMoko Forums Update...

2007-07-26 Thread Kyle Bassett
Hello Everyone, forums.makeopensource.com is online and running. For those of you who are unable to use the forums on a consistent basis, I am actively searching for a solution for integrating the mailing lists, NNTP, and forums; as one community. I am setting up a second beta forum that has

Broken Sim Card Reader?

2007-07-26 Thread Harrison Metzger
Dear community, I received my neo today and have been playing around with it a bunch. I can get any of the phone part of the phone to work. I have been playing around with the GSM AT command set and issuing commands to the modem manually and from the gsm tool. However I could not register it on

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Giles Jones wrote: Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : it's open-source (BSD license), so all the code is available to build on whatever environment/architecture you want (as far as my limited understanding of portable code/interpretation

Re: greetings and a question

2007-07-26 Thread Brendan Reid
is, is it possible to have the Neo1973 connect via Peer-to-peer wireless networking to another computer/phone? not til October at least.current version has no wi-fi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison Is there a drive yet for it? many people talking

3G sim cards

2007-07-26 Thread Harrison Metzger
Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: OpenMoko trademark issues...

2007-07-26 Thread Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd.
Hi. Jae Stutzman pisze: OpenMoko.Inc needs to have a clear trademark policy on the name OpenMoko and associated logo, etc. Right now the maemo people are going through some stuff do to recent changes. This is something that Sean and co need to figure out. If it is already figgured out then it

Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much

2007-07-26 Thread Lars Hallberg
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller skrev: i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of [Subforum]-tag before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last mail of that thread. To start a new topic, just write [Subforum]New Topic Name as Subject of the mail. At least i would implement it

Re: another linux platform platform

2007-07-26 Thread Tim Newsom
Err... That was supposed to br linux phone platform... On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 8:35, Tim Newsom wrote: I just noticed this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending

Re: whee!

2007-07-26 Thread Mark Eichin
I'm sory to hear that $450 advanced set does not have everything it has to. I wonder if this could be more common thing. Did you try to contact anyone at openmoko? I responded to the RT ticket, reopening it. Hopefully that's a good enough starting point; I was also curious if anyone else saw

Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package

2007-07-26 Thread richard5
First line should be: sudo apt-get install linux-source linux-headers-`uname -r` George Barta wrote: I added a new page on the wiki with instructions that worked for me on Ubuntu 7.0.4. Its pretty rough right now, but feel free to change it. If someone can verify that it works, we can put

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-26 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 They basically should work, but the device does only 2G :), no EGPRS ;) Andreas Harrison Metzger wrote: Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)?

Re: another linux platform platform

2007-07-26 Thread kenneth marken
On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:23:02 Tim Newsom wrote: I just noticed this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to placing security in the

Re: Re: greetings and a question

2007-07-26 Thread tyler laing
What I meant is, in the consumer version, will this be possible? And I meant driver, not drive. I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough in my first question. Thanks for your time!Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:25:46 +0100Subject: Re: greetings and a questionis, is it possible to have the Neo1973 connect via

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-26 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
Harrison Metzger wrote: Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? yes, you won't get 3G service, but you'll still be able to use GPRS and GSM voice or data ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: 3G sim cards

2007-07-26 Thread Eric Johnson
Harrison Metzger wrote: Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? Since the Calypso chipset is 2G a 3G SIM will only work if it contains both the USIM and SIM applications. I would expect that this is the case for most operators that have both 2G and 3G

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