First: I understand if all developers are busy right now... But after
February 11...
Can we get a release of a kernel and disc image for qemu, and the
repository so we can update our image. Then we can explore the
environment, test not only our software, but our ipkg packaging. Hack
not
David Ford skrev:
We overwhelmingly need a community-evangelize list of which I won't be
subscribing to.
This is a good suggestion. I'm actually interested in this topic, but
refuse to take part in it on this list as it's so obviously of topic.
/LaH
Brad Midgley skrev:
Koen
After reading the LCA slides on pulse-audio it seems to be the
best choice for an
audiorouting app
FYI, I mocked up some diagrams including one that incorporates pulse.
I am hoping to have some of these ideas validated, so let me know if
you have any
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer skrev:
Let's distinguish two types of popup-dialogs:
a) informative (i.e. battery low, incoming sms, sms sent)
b) confirmative (Mickey calling. Answer / Ignore / Reject?, Do you
want to remove all contacts?)
Right now, we're leaning towards (ab)using the bottom status
Jason Weathered skrev:
With regards to accidental clicks, I have a couple of ideas:
* Two taps at opposite corners or opposite edges to unlock.
* A quick left/right/left triple tap or left-right-left drag action in
the middle of the screen.
* Apple's iPhone has a slide to unlock. A
Harald Welte skrev:
This is really important not to confuse users. Imagine somebody
googling for GSM Phone and Wifi and he ends up in our wiki on a page
that describes what wonderful things you can do with wifi on an [not
explicitly marked as imaginary] OpenEZX phone. Now that person buys a
Lurking her more than a while, I strangely not seen this HW request.
A reasonably general digital signal processor on the phone.
Opening possibility's for all kind of things. accelerated
decoders/encoders for audio and video, voice recognition and
fingerprint, 2D graphic acceleration, 3D
a mock-up on a 90-key by one stroke finger keyboard. Think this might be
an usable and pretty efficient input method.
http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/
/LaH
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Gabriel Ambuehl skrev:
On Monday 05 March 2007 03:21:15 Florent THIERY wrote:
Yeah, it looks neat. I think I'd downscale the number of special chars though.
I very much doubt you could actually read the characters on the Neo screen
right now.
Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You
Gabriel Ambuehl skrev:
On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote:
Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look
close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special
Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen...
You
Lars Hallberg skrev:
Gabriel Ambuehl skrev:
I meant for the second level, where they are essentially already in a
hexagonal shape...
Yes, hexagons is better then yes.. just harder to mock up ;-)
Thinking more on it... hexagons is not best... as the splash pops up in
the center of the press
Nils Faerber skrev:
Exactly.
Also relative positioning can be made much more precise using the raw
data (AFAIK in the range of cm not m).
Wow! If this is true, speed and direction can be fairly accurate
calculated even at low speed.
This makes orienting a map with the moving direction
hank williams skrev:
On 3/13/07, *Gabriel Ambuehl*
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 18:49:17 dimitris wrote:
Sean, given the uncertainty surrounding Wifi drivers, would an
externally-accessible SDIO slot be a better step for the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:
the GPS daemon would need to be updated to allow for kallman filtering
using those accelerometers, so that the GPS apps could continue pointing
the phones location inside tunnels and stuff
Unfortunately not. As already pointed out on that list, the
accelerometers error
David Lefty Schlesinger skrev:
Okay, not to put too fine a point on it, but this is possibly the
silliest reason ever for choosing one phone over another. Cell phone
communications are transmitted via radio, and are trivial to eavesdrop
on with the right equipment.
I think the issue is if the
David Duardo skrev:
This is where I ran into trouble As high resolution as the the LCD is,
it simply is too small to be used with a finger based user interface,
which is what most people would want to use on a cellphone because it is
most convenient. At the upper bound, with the Neo1973, you can
David Duardo skrev:
That's great that you have the dexterity to use your fingernails to poke
at tiny buttons, but what about the wider audience? Do you think Aunt
Jane or Uncle Leo would feel comfortable operating a phone with such
tiny buttons? Is this even a relevant question? Is the phone
1) A powered 4 port hub that accept 5-6V external power (hacked to power
a usb host connection). The perfect charger for the neo.. and, well, a
hub as extra function.
2) A 2.2A 5V power supply (4x500 mA = 2A + overhead).
3) A led flashlight powered by 4 D-cell (LR20) batteries that also can
Not sure if this is dev or community...
I manage to build the neo qemu and it works :-)
Have made (flash.sh, downloaded the files manualt as download.sh did not
work (no lynx)) a open moko image and it boots but...
No on-screen keyboard makes it pretty useless. Anyone having the same
Daniel Robinson skrev:
Hey Lars,
Huzzah to you, sir, for getting that far. I got my ubuntu system up
yesterday, but I haven't gotten some of the other pieces working. I
haven't used OpenEmbedded or bitbake before. I use perforce at work.
I have not set up a complete build env (don't
Jeff Rush skrev:
Hi Jeff!
As I said... I have build the neo1973 qemu... but 'by hand'... It's a
small build vs the mokomakefile build everything that's huge.
- Lars, Yes, the onscreen keyboard does work, as in the GUI keyboard you
click on with the mouse. I click in the upper-left box
John Seghers skrev:
Heh.
Yeah, I was puzzled by that when I first read the web page that describes
this. Basically, the ifconfig command is specifying the IP address for the
Desktop's end of the USB connection. The QEMU side of the connection seems
to be hardwired to 192.168.0.202.
That
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller skrev:
i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of [Subforum]-tag
before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last mail
of that thread. To start a new topic, just write [Subforum]New Topic
Name as Subject of the mail. At least i would implement it
Harald Welte skrev:
Hi!
Since we're now working on the phase 2 neo, i.e. what is now known
officially as Neo1973 GTA02, I'd like to address one issue:
For many information in the public wiki, it is not clear whether it is
1) general information about the openmoko 2007 software
1b) information
Sébastien Lorquet skrev:
(This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel)
hello,
I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :(
Made me happy... I'm been a little worried by the expectation to sell
100 of thousand or even millions of units from the start. If they happy
with geek
Josef Wolf skrev:
[ I warm-up this old thread again... ]
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:02:31AM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote:
a mock-up on a 90-key by one stroke finger keyboard. Think this might be
an usable and pretty efficient input method.
http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/
This looks very
Tim Newsom skrev:
What about a continuously variable system which starts with the most
commonly used letters and then adjusts itself based on user input. It
could learn which letters a specific person uses to type and make them
more prominent. Then, depending on modes the programming or web
Josef Wolf skrev:
On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 06:04:15PM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote:
Josef Wolf skrev:
[ I warm-up this old thread again... ]
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:02:31AM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote:
a mock-up on a 90-key by one stroke finger keyboard. Think this might be
an usable
Mohammed Musallam skrev:
I believe a simple two character per key would be more than enough as
a start (where the current phones are 3 chars per key). A full qwerty is
too dense, so cut the density in half by bundling 2 keys into one.
The point with the design is not to use modifiers for the
Richard Reichenbacher skrev:
Is setting up a keyboard for programming really all that necessary?
I for one is more likely to ssh out of the phone. My main drive to get a
neo is:
a) Make some good fun and use out of time wasted in places where there
are no computer or net around. Think
Kristian 'kriss' Mueller skrev:
Lars Hallberg wrote:
This is a new one (Layout is 'numlock' one):
http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/res/key2key.py
Nice idea. Had to change the code a bit, as the UI of the current
version fires up the keyboard if a text entry has the focus - see patch.
I
Henryk Plötz skrev:
Moin,
Hmm, I just ran it on a Neo and seems to work okay. The biggest problem
is that switching to the second set of displayed keys is awfully slow.
Yes... I believe it's the text rendering. dreamingWish gtk.Label had a
flag 'cash_rendering' and maybe a method
Josef Wolf skrev:
On Sun, Sep 02, 2007 at 07:49:43PM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote:
[ ... ]
Not much faster I'm afraid, but a new version available at the same place:
http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/res/key2key.py
Lars, can you please explain what you mean how this new 12-chars-per-key
system
Josef Wolf skrev:
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 03:53:17AM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote:
Pretty simple, You have 12 key (3x4 array) and ether tap a key or press
it and drag to any of the other 11 keys - 12 functions. It's extendible
- If You add a column of keys You got 15 keys with 15 functions
Thanks Morten Lysgaard for letting me on the Finger Keyboard project.
Files is now in subversion. Changes include:
All program have now a short explanation in the textaria.
key2key:
https://svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/finger-keyboard/key2key/trunc/
key2key.py - Try to make the slow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:
This is not about style. This is about optimum human/device interaction
form factors. It is the size and shape and layout of the iPhone that
strongly influences the usability of the device. And...And...Who says you
can't want style --AND-- freedom?
Have not got my
Derek Pressnall skrev:
I've had an idea for a novel input method that would work on touch
screen devices.
The idea is to present a graphic that is similar to a standard phone
keypad layout, with standard lettering and number positions. To enter
a specific letter, you touch the button associated
Gabriel Ambuehl skrev:
So what is HXD8 all about :P
From what I herd it's 'not a phone'. But I got a strange feeling that I
want it when it is reveald what it is :-)
Damned, how shall we find time hacking on OpenMoko when we need spend
all time on making more money?
God news! My GTA01
Lorn Potter skrev:
Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:
Hi!
Is it possible to have both Qtopia and OM environments on one phone?
One could be able to chooses system on startup (such as grub or lilo
chooses Linux or Windows ;). That would be useful - you could use
Qtopia env as a phone during day but at
Doug Parker skrev:
Excuse my repeat request, but is there any way to add a blank newline
after the SUBJECT: line in the email postings? It would make all of the
lists a lot easier to scan.
At first I'm just as confuse as Henryk, but, Doug... Do You mean in the
digest of the list?
I have no
Robin Paulson skrev:
on the other hand, we were specifically talking about the driver for
the gps hardware, which is a receive only radio, and hence not covered
by the same regulations as the gsm radio
Yes. And I'm fully in suport for OpenMoko picking a new GPS unit with
full os support.
New demo, download 3key package at:
https://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=42
Short intro:
3key demo - input method for touchscreen (both finger and stylus).
All good things are three. This is my third demo and it uses three keys!
goal
* Be usable with one hand (hold phone and type
Vincent skrev:
On 25/10/2007, *Zalunin Pavel*
yeah, please let us see
I've made a screencast:
Thanks /LaH
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Mikkel Meyer Andersen skrev:
Hi,
I've also tried to develop a keyboard for finger-use. I started with
developing a dictionary library, and have only made a very simple GUI to use
it.
I haven't seen you keyboard yet, but I'm really looking forward to. In
addition to this, I hope to be able to
Doug Sutherland skrev:
850Mhz is odd because north america is big.
Output power 2 watt versus 1 watt for 1900 Mhz.
To cover rural areas, less towers required for 850Mhz.
There will be more not less 850 support in the future.
Europe is much more congested so can justify more
towers with less
Mike Montour skrev:
Lars Hallberg wrote:
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-apps/2007-November/000279.html
Is there a reason this list and others like the owner list is *not*
available on gmane? Would be far easier to follow.
It is there - gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.apps
The toolchain is great news, but I rather avoid cross compiling
completely and build native on the neo.
Building small apps should not be too slow on the neo. And having the
build env with You on that 9 hour train trip is *good*.
As most development and testing can be performed on the
Shawn Rutledge skrev:
Yes all the ipkg's you need exist, but there isn't enough flash to
install them all. What I did is reformat a MicroSD card to ext2, cp
-a /usr to the card, then modify /etc/fstab to automatically mount the
card on /usr at boot. Then install task-base-dev and whatever else
Shawn Rutledge skrev:
On Dec 4, 2007 7:13 PM, Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks, exactly what I was hoping for. Is all in the default
repository's or did You have to hunt it down?
Just do ipkg install like usual (assuming you have set things up so
that the phone has 'net access
Joshua Layne skrev:
'trivial' might be a tad strong here :) I, for example, have no idea how
to do this with exim4 - I have no doubt it is possible though. I'll see
what my brain extender (aka google) turns up.
It is trivial for the software... that does not necessarily make it
trivial to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:
Nothing, same problem... :(
I also tryied to change the configuration of my network: from 192.168.1.x to
192.168.0.x as yours. But nothing...
I think the problem is in ubuntu...
I'm on ubunto to. In my /etc/network/interfaces i added:
auto usb0
iface usb0
Joshua Layne skrev:
Hi all,
I am subscribed to several of the openmoko lists. When someone copies
multiple lists on a message, I get all the copies (usually 3 for some
reason). Worse, when anyone replies to the initial mail, they reply all
and I get another full set of mails.
I realize that
Ben Wilson skrev:
That's for the developer version of GTA02, not the public release
What I understand it is the public release hardware, but it will be sold
to developers until the software is ready for prime time.
After that they hopefully succeed in making a 850Mhz version and then
start
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