path that, combined with the open
platform, will encourage the development of applications that we can't even
imagine now. I wish I could peer into the future and see what's running on
this phone in 1 year, 2 years, or 5 years..
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my anything to USB power converter module. And one of those little butane
powered soldering irons.
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to host and which is to be the
device? Or is there some other way this work?
I might dig around the Linux implementation a bit to learn more. I find this
idea very interesting.
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as much or as little security as we wish (SSL, encryption,
etc.)
What do you think?
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application I will develop. I love it - That is
an itch I want to scratch.
I'm honored, and thrilled. It's one application that would be a struggle for
me to write, and one I would sorely miss. Let me know how I can help!
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authentication, encryption, etc.
Given this library, any application can be written on the server. My original
wish is just an example of one, in which case the UI is a web page. But much
more than this can be done, limited only by our imagination.
Am I understanding you correctly?
Michael
:
http://comsec.com/wiki?UniversalSoftwareRadioPeripheral
Then you run GNU radio on the Neo.
I know, it's huge. But just an example of what's possible, and of course it
could be made smaller if there was the demand.
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, what cool applications and use cases would this
enable, that might justify it?
Interesting? Useful? Silly? Practical?
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Wow. I had never heard of MegWiki. I visited their website on your
recommendation and I love what I've read.
It would be a great feature to have.
Michael
On Fri, 8 Dec 2006, Robert Michel wrote:
Salve!
I used MegaWiki on the PalmPilot, a hack that allows you to use
the normal Palm
:-)?
Sean and others, keep up the good work. Remember that in spite of the length
of our wishlist, and the voracity of our arguments, most (all?) of us are
thrilled with this project and look forward to developing software for it.
Michael
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Richard Franks wrote:
On 12/15/06, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Oleg Gusev schreef:
I think any reasonable person understands that wifi/BT was left out
Bluetooth left out? That's not what I heard.
Really!?
feasible? Sounds like it is for me. And no extra work is
required on the part of FIC - all we have to do is get the toolchain to work
on the Neo.
Always dreaming,
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Tomasz Zielinski wrote:
Looks like a Neo1973 real photo (device is a bit dust covered ;-)
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2007Jan/ces20070109001296.htm
We have a real photo of Sean too ;-)
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/010907-moss-pultz.html
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it before the official release. I
assume there will be prototypes and early releases to select partners.
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begining.
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!
The wait is killing me.
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for the weekend. My first Neo
1973 app!
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something like a powered USB hub.
No, it's not super elegant, but it works. Trying to find the right balance
between low power/long battery life vs. fancy power-hungry USB devices
requires this sometimes.
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tag-line. I'd buy and where that right away.
If we don't have a logo yet, perhaps that artist who joined recently could help?
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Dave Crossland wrote:
On 22/01/07, Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very nice!
Did I get it wrong or he is talking about Big Companies or
government in
Italy (my country)? Sean, can you confirm? I am really
curious if there is something going on in my
Forwarded from the Silicon Valley Homebrew Mobile Phone Club:
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Subject: [SVHMPC] Engadget's Take on the Google Phone
The guys over at Engadget are publishing what looks to be a photoshopped
picture of the G-Phone. Supposedly, it's a whole-screen type
parenting.
Cool idea!
Michael
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Paul Jimenez wrote:
How about a locked-down 'kid version' of the UI with touchable pictures for
'mommy', 'daddy', etc ? Maybe not even labelled, but just the pictures?
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Sam Kome wrote:
I like this thread, although I'm not giving my $350 phone to my kids!
Not yet, no.
My daughter gets my current phone as soon as I get the Neo 1973 (unless my
wife wants it - she has priority.) My daughter gets my Neo V1 when V2 comes
out!
My goal of a
Jonathan,
If you visit the wiki that Marc refers to, you will find entries for the build
enviroment and emulators, so you can start writing, compiling, and testing
simple programs.
M
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Marc Verwerft wrote:
Jonathan,
Things are gonna stay this way till OpenMoko opens up
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Bryan Fink wrote:
Hi all. I've been talking up OpenMoko to everyone I know, and I felt
like there may be some people around here who would be interested in
the reactions I've gotten.
The main camps are as you would expect: positively-excited,
negatively-excited, and
On 1/29/07, Mary Stovel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The pictures of the Neo show a clock. Will this be a world clock?
I would really like one so that when I get to Germany next year, I
can keep track of time back home for making my calls. One with
ability to set alarms would be great.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Al Johnson wrote:
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 17:03, Christopher Heiny wrote:
On Saturday 27 January 2007 08:31, ROB scribbled in crayon on the back of a
kid's menu:
I would like a blender and a toaster (for small toast... I realize
that including a full size toaster
on a bar napkin. I suppose we just need to get the
device driver for the scanner and some image capture software cross-compiled.
I suppose Gimp would be a little too heavy for the Neo :-)
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absolutely
dismal. I'm sure we can do better.
Comments?
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in
technical translations if there is a need for Turkish localization.
Good point, Engin, and some good responses followed.
Is this the sort of stuff that could also go under the umbrella of CC content?
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
Harald Welte wrote:
I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but
didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware.
AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight
GREAT idea. Whether or not we are attending the conference, enough of us live
in the area that we should get together, if not at the conference then in a
suitably friendly bar or restaurant. Perhaps we should find out when Sean is
available, and see if we can work around that?
Michael
On Sat
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Ian Stirling wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
Harald Welte wrote:
I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the
mailing list but
didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Mark McClellan wrote:
On 2/6/07, Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, I'm thinking seriously about getting a neo1973 when they become
available. I called the local T Mobile office and asked them whether I
could borrow a phone to see how the signal strength is where
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007, Florent THIERY wrote:
I didn't find any self powered keyboard on google, but a lot of
bluetooth / IR battery powered keyboards
http: //www.expansys.lu/p.aspx?i=112314
http: //www.expansys.lu/n.aspx?f=132
http:
to
take these baby steps first. Pretty soon I'll have a recipe for setting up the
GTK environment (you can help me test it) and then you can start working with
graphics.
Please let me know what you think of these suggestions. I'm happy to take your
response offline if you prefer.
Michael
Sounds like a question for Jon of Creative Commons. Jon, any advice here?
Michael
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, ROB wrote:
The solution to dilution via unlicensed use (ie: fan sites) is to give
people explicit permission or a license to use the mark under certain
circumstances for a certain purpose
Please change the wiki page as you suggest, Terence, and thanks both to you
and Robin for sorting this out.
Michael
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Terence Haddock wrote:
That is a good one, I need to remember that! Since we're directly referencing
a specific monotone install on a specific
. To start a new subject, always compose a new message. Responding to a
message, even if you change the subject field, will leave a reference to a
previous thread.
Others?
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- what's involved in that?
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http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/02/openmoko_open_s.html
If I'd known he was going to quote me I would have said something a little
more professional and informative :-)
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(engadget?).
It would probably make for good publicity if we would monitor the comments
posted in response to all those articles, so that we can correct and provide
information as needed.
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or not.
While I agree with you that gizmodo is not where I would turn for info, others
may go there. It is a popular site.
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! :-)
If any are posted, I won't look.
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to meet near the
conference hotel. Any opinions?
Michael
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, adrian cockcroft wrote:
I added the ETel conference to the Events page. Sean Moss-Pulz is on
the agenda with OpenMoko, Surj Patel and Matt Hamrick of Tuxphone and
the homebrew club are also presenting, I'll
of this month. I look forward to a lively discussion,
technical and otherwise.
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, adrian cockcroft wrote:
I added the ETel conference to the Events page. Sean Moss-Pulz is on
the agenda with OpenMoko, Surj Patel and Matt Hamrick of Tuxphone and
the homebrew club are also presenting, I'll be there...
Adrian
I added a section for the social gathering.
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
mathew davis writes:
Hi I am kind of new to mailing lists so forgive me if I am steping on
anyones toes.
I am used to working with forums more than mailing lists and find them to be
a little easier for newcomers to work with than mailing lists. Is
Seems that O'Reilly will offer a 40% discount to a group, if someone in charge
registers us as a group.
To the extent that those of us on the mailing list are a group, who's in
charge?
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Subject: RE: [SVHMPC] Emerging Telephony
Wish it could have been sooner, but I just heard about it today.
Unless someone official wants to register the group, perhaps it will be left
to the first person who intends to register but hasn't paid yet.
M
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, David Schlesinger wrote:
I've already registered, and paid,
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
I *think* the intent -- and what I'd like to see -- would be a geek
mode checkbox, with a second screen (or more) specifying exactly what
was being watched. Going into geek mode
this morning. Sean has the tapes and
will upload as soon as he can.
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on the wiki so we
can reserve the appropriate size table
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ETel#Social_Gathering
2. I took a video of Sean's presentation this morning. Sean has the tapes and
will upload as soon as he can.
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Sean's vision.
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... and more powerful and
flexible.
Welcome Lars!
I'm pretty sure it was discussed extensively. Have you checked the mailing
list archives?
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to do so, I
may contact you offlist for more information. I trust that's OK?
Regards,
Michael
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Gergely Kis wrote:
Hello,
Actually we are planning on doing this at the Technical University of
Hungary.
I have an Embedded Linux course, where in the past years we used Siemens
to work with the community on
this project, and at great risk. Please let's treat them as partners, which is
how they are treating us, and not as the enemy.
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be such a cool app... anyone up
to changing the receiver/transciever for their remote door unlock?)
and we have public interest.
Funny you should mention this - I just had a need for this feature today. I
didn't spot this on the wiki yet. Would you like to add it (since it's your
idea) or should I?
Michael
to experiment with a new layout but
retain the ability to switch back to a previous layout.
I know, somewhat extreme, but at this early brainstorming stage I like
thinking extreme.
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everyone for the feedback so far.
/LaH
By the way, your mock ups are beautiful, well documented, and very
professionally presented. You must be a graphic or industrial designer (or
something like that) in your day job.
Thanks for your work in this area.
Michael
I'm starting to get email and fliers about the annual Embedded Systems
Conference, April 1-5 in San Jose.
It's not directly OpenMoko relevant, but not unrelated, either.
Will OpenMoko be present there?
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OpenMoko.org should be here, no?.
Has anyone submitted, or is anyone planning to submit, an application?
If not, would OpenMoko.com prefer someone official (i.e. someone on the
payroll) do this or someone from the community at large?
Michael
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Date: Tue
I'm interested in this as well.
michael
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Chris Fazekas wrote:
Can you post it as a torrent? That way I can start downloading it
tonight and in-turn share it out?
On 4/10/07, Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Depending on my server bandwidth limit, I may post
yowza!
Looks like our favorite Web browser is about to go mobile. Mozilla head
honcho, Mitchell Baker, told the folks at APC magazine that Mozilla is
working on a Firefox to go for your cellphone. It's a long-term project
(meaning it's not coming out any time
booth will be next to the Creative Commons booth.
Sorry for the short notice, but we weren't sure we were going to be able to
pull this off.
Email me if you have any questions, or call me at (415) 425 5320.
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, building my own with a small FPGA
is a bit too much work for a lunch break project.)
There are a couple of PC-based LAs that work with Linux. Look for the xoscope
project, I think it has links to a couple of such LAs.
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On Wed, 23 May 2007, Werner Almesberger wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are a couple of PC-based LAs that work with Linux. Look for the xoscope
project, I think it has links to a couple of such LAs.
Hmm, only the BitScope, which is a nice device, but its digital
capabilities are
. But there was no doubting the interest, and the clear
understanding that to the Where 2.0 crowd OpenMoko presents opportunities that
are completely unavailable elsewhere unless they build their own (e.g.
SVHMPC).
I hope some of those people join this list soon and will correct me.
Michael
solutions to this issue.
Michael
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To: SVHMPC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SVHMPC] Black Box phone
Has this been linked to the list yet?
http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/10/03
Someone was telling me about a nano technology that could do this, but it's
not anywhere near a product yet. But a good application might accelerate the
transition from lab to product. Wish I could remember where I heard that...
Another one I heard about was a way of generating a
This is rather cool. It still needs appropriate RF modules, but since it's a
standard X86 PC motherboard, porting OpenMoko to it should be pretty easy.
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From: Chris Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: SVHMPC [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not sure if this is useful. It sounds a bit more like a marketing group.
You have to pay a fee to join.
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Dean Collins wrote:
Long overdue and if it is a standard then lets all jump onboard and work
with it from inside rather than throwing rocks from the outside.
Really well put, Matt. I agree with your analysis, and like you, for the past
24 hours have been trying to figure out why this doesn't seem like such a big
deal. You have nicely expressed my feelings.
Michael
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Matthew S. Hamrick wrote:
Well... I used to work
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Joe Friedrichsen wrote:
On 6/12/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OpenMoko (the registered organisation, separate from FIC the company who
is creating the first piece of hardware designed for the OpenMoko
software) never promised open hardware. They promised
go along, and then post them on the wiki as the
start of a JTAG howto. Would be very useful.
Michael
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Shawn Rutledge wrote:
Would you post more details about this please? I have used JTAG for
programming Atmel micros but am not yet very familiar with how it is
used
probably do an update and make sure this still works.)
Michael
* I know that the phrase it should just work is no guarantee that it will.
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Sameer Verma wrote:
Does anyone have pointers on virtualization of openMoko via a VMWare-type
setup? I'd like to see if there is something
for non-invasive prototyping, there is also the usb port.
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Luit van Drongelen wrote:
If FIC doesn't want to make it, you can try and build it for yourself.
There's SPI and I2C available as test/contact/solder pads on the
GTA01Bv4 PCB IIRC. (hmm, too much abbreviations?)
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, Ian Stirling wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
for non-invasive prototyping, there is also the usb port.
That's really quite annoying to use though - as anything more than -1th
generation prototype.
You need external power, a plug that makes the phone unusable as an
if there is sufficient interest, and if we can find a site, I propose
OpenMokoCamp, perhaps shortly after the next wave of Neo 1973's arrive in our
anxious hands.
Thoughts?
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a certification point of view? Do you have to
get the whole device certified? Can you sell the internal subframe by itself,
with whatever certification is required? Is certification even an issue since
that's all handled by the GSM/SIM interface which we have no visibility into?
Michael
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Dear Community,
Michael Shiloh has volunteered to setup a booth at Ubuntu Live
(http://www.ubuntulive.com) July 22 to 24 in Portland, Oregon. He'll be
demoing and talking about both the platform and the Neo. If you're in
town, please stop by!
Thanks
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Tim Newsom wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:24, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Dear Community,
Michael Shiloh has volunteered to setup a booth at Ubuntu Live
(http://www.ubuntulive.com) July 22 to 24 in Portland, Oregon. He'll be
demoing and talking about both the platform
hall, but I suggest that anyone remotely interested register before
July 21, just in case.
Hey! I just noticed that we are listed on the conference homepage!
http://www.ubuntulive.com/ Hopefully this will increase awareness and
interest.
Michael
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Brad Pitcher wrote:
You're
was offered a custom Sponsorship which includes a booth but not
a speaking opportunity. However, we are free to organize a BoF. I presume
there is interest in such?
If so, I'll go ahead and schedule one.
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for
OSCamp. Anyone else from the OpenMoko community going to OSCamp (it's within
OSSCON).
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(This assumes I can get a laptop with the necessary environement in time)
(No, I don't expect you to write something from scratch while standing at the
booth, but we should be able to make a trivial change, download into the
phone, and run the app showing your change.)
Michael
P.s. Does anyone know
Congratulations Sean and the OpenMoko team!
Thank you!
Michael
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Dear Community!
Today is the day that we've all been waiting for: We can finally take
your order for the world's first freed phone.
Neos are waiting in customs just outside our
?
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of nowhere.
Michael
So that's what happens to all of the 5v chargers I place in the drying
machine!! Now if I could only find out where the socks go
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they assigned us 7:00pm on Sunday, July 22
http://www.ubuntulive.com/cs/ubuntu/view/e_sess/14821
I have a couple of extra passes in case anyone wants to come and has
forgotten to register.
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., but where do you draw the
line?)
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Jeff Andros wrote:
wow... really interesting that the people in the testimonials already have
theirs even though the first shipment just got through customs... they must
have P0 versions.
also interesting that the whois record for that domain is private
On 7/17/07, Ted
is university computer labs, e.g. courses that
require GPS, cellphone connectivity, and some control, with or without the
screen. Someone mentioned wanting to introduce Neo's into his classroom
projects - this sort of stuff.
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Probably would be best to ask this of the shipping company. You might also be
able to change the delivery address to your hotel at the conference.
Looking forward to meeting you at the BoF at Ubuntu Live Sunday night.
Michael
On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Brad Pitcher wrote:
I'm in a similar
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
I would like to train my vocabulary while in the subway.
no pun intended, I presume?
:-)
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Just had a look at some Google search results and the results were a
little surprising.
openmoko 2,350.000
maemo 2,190,000
qtopia1,110,000
openzaurus 256,000
So, for whatever reason, Openmoko has managed to take the lead from the
other open source(?) platforms.
Michael
for how to get from Ubuntu to Openmoko (in 5 easy
steps!) (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Michaelshiloh) and they were
all taken. I encouraged everyone to join the community.
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