Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-16 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:04:25 -0400 Jeremy McNaughton said: > With Paroli in particular I can't see it being such a big deal to size > the window so it can be used with Illume. At least for right now, > until more time can be dedicated to whatever mysterious way we'll > eventually use to switch b

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-15 Thread Jeremy McNaughton
Hey, Mirko, I'm sorry if I came across overly frustrated or harsh. I'm really excited about Paroli. I've read the startup.pdf and I check the website regularly for updates. I just want to know more. Maybe there's some notes from a meeting, plans, brainstorm notes or something that's not on the

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-15 Thread Leonti Bielski
Ive read this thread and I'm still wondering, what seems to be the problem? Paroli is being written, it has it's own site with news and important info. Source code is available. So why developers should spend any more time just to feed curiosity? They have better things to do, like actual coding

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-15 Thread Mirko Lindner
Hej, I tried to stay out of this thread as the discussion drifted away from paroli towards general discussion about OM's behavior, which is not controlled by me, but it seems to me that here 2 things are mixed that simply are unrelated and I am being judged based on a conversation log(!) and d

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-14 Thread Steve " 'dillo" Okay
On Mar 13, 2009, at 22:04 , Jeremy McNaughton wrote: [...] > > And while I don't know anything about the previous conversations > between Mirko and Paul, I really hope that I never get dealt with that > way by anyone with an openmoko.com email account. Nobody's perfect > and I don't want to sing

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-14 Thread Paul Fertser
Hi, Jeremy McNaughton writes: > And while I don't know anything about the previous conversations > between Mirko and Paul, I really hope that I never get dealt with that > way by anyone with an openmoko.com email account. Jeremy, i can assure you that Mirko treated me fairly and i posted the log

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-13 Thread Jeremy McNaughton
I've got to agree that some more communication about Paroli would be a good thing. Arne's got it exactly right by saying "to be 'open to the community' is at the core of their business model -- and, what's more, it accounts for a huge part of their customer base." After all, what was the point of

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-13 Thread Eldon Koyle
On Mar 13 21:30+1300, Robin Paulson wrote: > true, but they can't have it both ways. if they say, 'we want input > from the community' on something or other, the likelihood of > disagreement/flames/arguments etc. goes up. then they either can They don't ask for input from the community on every

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-13 Thread arne anka
> Openmoko (the company) doesn't have any responsibility to be open to the > community. to be "open to the community" is at the core of their business model -- and, what's more, it accounts for a huge part of their customer base. > Look at what happens every time a hardware-related (ie. gta03)

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-13 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/3/13 Eldon Koyle : > contributors).  They have goals they are trying to accomplish -- like > finally getting a usable software stack for a phone.  They also have to > make money somewhere. i think you got those the wrong way round > If by saving the effort of communicating with everyone who

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-12 Thread Paul Fertser
George Brooke writes: > On Thursday 12 March 2009 20:51:47 Eldon Koyle wrote: >> ... > Thank you very much someone needed to say something along those lines. Would you mind to share your comments on TRIsoft letter as well? -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) softw

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-12 Thread George Brooke
On Thursday 12 March 2009 20:51:47 Eldon Koyle wrote: > > Openmoko (the company) doesn't have any responsibility to be open to the > community. I personally do appreciate when they are, but I can see why > they might want to be a little more closed. I think a lot of time is > spent arguing with

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-12 Thread Eldon Koyle
Openmoko (the company) doesn't have any responsibility to be open to the community. I personally do appreciate when they are, but I can see why they might want to be a little more closed. I think a lot of time is spent arguing with community members over things that aren't extremely important in

IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-09 Thread Paul Fertser
09-03-2009 10:53:32 > PaulFert`: Mirko-paroli: Hey :) Please don't consider my questions or messages as a personal offence. Please. It's just that you're keeping silence on the issues that i consider to be of great importance... You're the frontman of the Paroli project and people are asking you p