Stefan Kaitschick wrote:
One day, when MCTS becomes more refined, bots will stop overestimating
the value of influence.
Why should they? Because most human players are overestimating the value
of early territory?
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True, but at the moment we're just interested in getting Orego to play
ANY joseki, i.e., a reasonable move in some corner, rather than a
disastrous tenuki. Finding the "right" joseki will be future work.
(Orego also has a small fuseki book, which we're working to expand.)
On an intermediate
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> David Fotland wrote:
> > in a two
David Fotland wrote:
in a two play global search, an entire joseki sequence would be one ply.
This works only ALA the programs don't depart from stored josekis,
right? How could they adapt to non-standard global side-conditions while
treating a joseki as fixed one-ply sequence? They must iter
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>From what David Fotland has said, Many Faces will lay out whole josekis as
>"single moves"
>From what David Fotland has said, Many Faces will lay out whole josekis as
"single moves" in its searches, which seems like a great way of biasing the
mcts tree early on.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 13:13, Robert Jasiek wrote:
> Magnus Persson wrote:
>
>> I think it may make more sense to break down
Magnus Persson wrote:
I think it may make more sense to break down the joseki into common
local patterns
Patterns are doubtful. Even the best shape can be dead.
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Jessica Mullins wrote:
I am wondering what is the best way to build a Joseki Book?
Do you mean database?
The "best" way depends on your aims. Define aims and we can look for
answers more easily.
There are very different possible ways of compiling databases. Of course
you know the sorting b
Quoting terry mcintyre :
I don't knwo how to build such a book, but
"Kogo's Joseki dictionnary" is a huge .sgf file containging joseki + trick
moves and punishment. Maybe it can be parsed to extract only joskis.
The problem with josekis are that most of the moves in them are not
commented at
From: Alain Baeckeroot
Le 09/11/2009 à 08:04, Jessica Mullins a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> I am wondering what is the best way to build a Joseki Book? I am a student at
> Lewis & Clark College and am working with Professor Peter Drake to build a
> Joseki Book for
One approach might be to combine some well-known joseki and fuseki books with
such books as "100 tips for Amateur Players", which explain some of the
pitfalls, tricks, and traps behind popular joseki. Nihon Kiin publishes some
detailed and thorough joseki books.
Slate and Shell published a seri
On Nov 9, 2009, at 2:39 AM, Nick Wedd wrote:
On a broader level - it depends what you are trying to do. If you
want Orego to play well in the long term, getting it to play good
moves (what a professional would acknowledge as good) in the josekis
must be a good thing. But there is the more
On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 02:46:11PM +0100, Alain Baeckeroot wrote:
> Le 09/11/2009 à 08:04, Jessica Mullins a écrit :
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am wondering what is the best way to build a Joseki Book? I am a student
> > at
> > Lewis & Clark College and am working with Professor Peter Drake to build
Le 09/11/2009 à 08:04, Jessica Mullins a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> I am wondering what is the best way to build a Joseki Book? I am a student at
> Lewis & Clark College and am working with Professor Peter Drake to build a
> Joseki Book for the program Orego.
>
> Right now I am extracting moves from pr
you could always take a joseki dictionary and build the trees by hand,
if you feel that you're strong enough to work out the most common
variations for the most common opening situations.
s.
2009/11/9 Olivier Teytaud :
> There is a paper about that in
> http://hal.inria.fr/inria-00369783/en/
> an
In message <1257750292.4af7bf140b...@webmail.lclark.edu>, Jessica
Mullins writes
Hi,
I am wondering what is the best way to build a Joseki Book? I am a student at
Lewis & Clark College and am working with Professor Peter Drake to build a
Joseki Book for the program Orego.
Right now I am extrac
There is a paper about that in
http://hal.inria.fr/inria-00369783/en/
and Tristan Cazenave published something around that also.
(these two works are about the automatic building of opening book in
self-play)
See also the references in the PDF above.
Best regards,
Olivier
> Only papers I can reca
Only papers I can recall are from seventies (assuming you mean academic
papers) from Wilcoxx. I may have electrical copies. Not sure though. I
managed to find some of them from ACM site.
That paper described position based approach where each and every stage was
stored into datastructure, kinda l
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