Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-12 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Don Dailey wrote: Gian-Carlo, We could probably add this new version to the mix and extend the study.But what kind of data has your own testing produced? Do you have an indication that it is roughly as strong at the same basic time setting (because of it's being 3X faster or so?) It is

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-12 Thread compgo123
Doesn't the total number of playout simply relates to the search ply depth? DL -Original Message- From: Gian-Carlo Pascutto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:01 am Subject: [computer-go] Scalability study request Hi all,? ? the

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-12 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't the total number of playout simply relates to the search ply depth? I have no idea what you mean or what the relevance is in the discussion. -- GCP ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-12 Thread Don Dailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't the total number of playout simply relates to the search ply depth? There is a relation, but it's not simple. The more playouts you do, the more lines you will explore to deeper depths. My suspicious is that with lighter playouts, you will tend to

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-11 Thread Olivier Teytaud
I am now wondering if scalability could be unaffected by playouts (just adding a constant offset) and only depend on the UCT/search implementation. From the publications of the MoGo team it seems likely that the programs are very similar there. Leela and mogo are probably quite similar. On

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-11 Thread terry mcintyre
If we start up another scalability test, I'd be delighted to offer up a few computer cores. It would be real nice to not only have the light-playout variant of leela, but perhaps the nakade-patch version of mogo and maybe even some third program. ( if wishes were horses ... ) Terry McIntyre

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-11 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Olivier Teytaud wrote: I am now wondering if scalability could be unaffected by playouts (just adding a constant offset) and only depend on the UCT/search implementation. From the publications of the MoGo team it seems likely that the programs are very similar there. Leela and mogo are

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-11 Thread Olivier Teytaud
simulations is perhaps not always a good idea.) Is the patch in some way parameterized by the number of simulations? No. Perhaps it should :-) ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-11 Thread terry mcintyre
--- Olivier Teytaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: light-playout variant of leela, but perhaps the nakade-patch version of mogo and maybe even some third no problem for the nakade-patch version of mogo, but results are only known in 9x9, no idea for 13x13. Maybe it is better, maybe it is

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-11 Thread Olivier Teytaud
light-playout variant of leela, but perhaps the nakade-patch version of mogo and maybe even some third no problem for the nakade-patch version of mogo, but results are only known in 9x9, no idea for 13x13. Maybe it is better, maybe it is worse :-) ___

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-11 Thread Olivier Teytaud
Good to find out, no? we have validated that: - it is good in 9x9; - it is bad in 19x19 (unless perhaps for very large number of simulations). we did not have a look at 13x13. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-11 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Olivier Teytaud wrote: light-playout variant of leela, but perhaps the nakade-patch version of mogo and maybe even some third no problem for the nakade-patch version of mogo, but results are only known in 9x9, no idea for 13x13. Maybe it is better, maybe it is worse :-) At 9x9 you see a

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-11 Thread Don Dailey
If we can get some consensus on what to test, we can do more.Or we can add 1 program version to the current study. Any ideas?(Or we could do a 19x19 study.) - Don terry mcintyre wrote: If we start up another scalability test, I'd be delighted to offer up a few computer cores.

Re: [computer-go] Scalability study request

2008-04-11 Thread Don Dailey
Gian-Carlo, We could probably add this new version to the mix and extend the study.But what kind of data has your own testing produced? Do you have an indication that it is roughly as strong at the same basic time setting (because of it's being 3X faster or so?) Even if it isn't, it would