[Computer-go] Last Call: Handicap 29 Prize

Hello, many years ago I had offered a 1,000-Euro prize for the first program to beat the old MFoG (1998- like version) at 29 handicap stone. The offer ends on December 31, 2020. So, this is a last call for those who want to earn the money: https://althofer.de/handicap-29-prize.html Cheers,

[Computer-go] thx!

  Dear Hiroshi,   thank you for keeping us informed.   Cheeers, Ingo.   PS. Congrats to the "Golaxies"!   ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

[Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League

Hello, the final round of the codecentric Freestyle League is over. Here are the results: AI Sensei - Chris the brain & friends 2-0 Karlsruher Allerlei - Oktgopus 1-1 (had been played on Sunday already) Saargenhaft - DeepGreen 0-2 free: Oldenburger Ozas And the final standings: 1. Oktgopus

[Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League - Great Final

Hi Steve, > BTW: there's a fairly straightforward way to evaluate the skill > level of the games on the whole. Can you elaborate on that? > Is there any interest in that, or just the results? Of course I/we would like to have that. I would even like to include that in the report on the

[Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League - Great Final

Hello, the final round of the codecentric Freestyle League is scheduled for Wednesday, April 24. https://www.althofer.de/codecentric-freistil.html However, the pairing that decides about the title, is Karlsruhe - Paderborn, and will start already on Sunday, April 21, 18:00 Central European

[Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League - after round 6

Hi, round 6 of the codecentric Freestyle League has been played. Unfortunately, two of the teams forfeited their matches: Karlsruhe - Oldenburg 2-0 (without fight) Saarbruecken - Freiburg 2-0 (without fight) However, the top pairing took place, and by some sort of surprise, the Paderborn team

[Computer-go] List problem ...

Dear Hiroshi, thanks for your interesting recent postings on the AlphaZero paper(s). I think referees told them to back their claims by more data. So the paper has larger test runs than the arxiv preprint. ** Indeed, our maioing list has a severy

[Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League: Round 6

Hello, tension is grwoing high in the German Freestyle League. Next Wednesday round 6 is played on KGS in room "Deutsch Ecke". Spectators are welcome, with comments in any language. Currently Paderborn (Oktgopus) is leading with 8:0, ahead of Darmstadt and Karlsruhe (8:2 each). The pairings in

[Computer-go] Feature wish for LeelaZero

Hello, in particular to GCP and other LeelaZero developers, currently the games of the European Pro tournament (in Jena) are transmitted on KGS. Some users give LZ percentages, but ... it seems that LZ does not give expected scores (and deviations) for the game end. (CrazyStone had such a feature

[Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League: Results of Round 5

Saargenhaft (Saarbruecken) - AI Sensei (Hamburg) 0-2 DeepGreen (Darmstadt) - Oldenburger Ozas (Oldenburg) 2-0 Oktgopus (Paderborn) - Chris the brain & friends (Freiburg) 2-0 free in this round: Karlsruher Allerlei (Karlsruhe) Table after round 5: 1. Oktgopus Paderborn 8-0 2. Karlsruher Allerlei

[Computer-go] 0.5-point wins in Go vs Extremely slow LeelaChessZero wins

Hi, recently, Leela-Chess-Zero has become very strong, playing on the same level with Stockfish-10. Many of the test players are puzzled, however, by the "phenomenon" that Lc0 tends to need many many moves to transform an overwhelming advantage into a mate. Just today a new German tester

[Computer-go] Next round of Codecentric Freestyle League

Hi, Round 5 of the codecentric Freestyle League is about to start. Each team consists of two accounts where computer and human intelligence together play Go. The pairings are Saargenhaft (Saarbruecken) - AI Sensei (Hamburg) DeepGreen (Darmstadt) - Oldenburger Ozas (Oldenburg) Oktgopus

Re: [Computer-go] A new ELF OpenGo bot and analysis of historical Go games

's playout is half. Because its net size is double. > http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/bayes.html > > Thanks, > Hiroshi Yamashita > > On 2019/02/17 1:29, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > > Hi Remi, > > thanks you for the link. > > > > A few questions (to

Re: [Computer-go] A new ELF OpenGo bot and analysis of historical Go games

Hi Remi, thanks you for the link. A few questions (to all who know something): * How strong is the new ELF bot in comparison with Leela-Zero? * How were komi values taken into account when analysing old go games with help of ELF? * How often does ELF propose moves played by AlphaGo (for

[Computer-go] GCP passing on the staff ...

Hello, a central quote from the Leela Github blog at https://github.com/gcp/leela-zero/issues/2157 Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >> So, practically, I'll keep the current 256x40 running as >> is, which probably has a (few?) month(s) to go with a last >> learning rate drop or playout increase, at

Re: [Computer-go] Computers wins against pros in 9x9

Dear Hiroshi, thanks for the information. It seems that the archive of computer-go is down, or is it even the whole server? Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Montag, 17. Dezember 2018 um 11:01 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] Computers wins

[Computer-go] Lasker Zero

Hello, I foound an interesting historical document. Emanuel Lasker (1868-1941) was Chess World Champion from 1894-1921. He also learnt Go in 1907/08 from his name sake Edward Lasker in Berlin. In his auto- biography ("Chess Secrets", from 1951) Edward Lasker wrote this process, for a photo of

Re: [Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League - Round 3 done

Round 3 ist done. Here are the results: Oktgopus (U Paderborn) - Saargenhaft (Saarbruecken) 2-0 Chris the brain & friends (Freiburg) - Karlsruher Allerlei (U Karlsruhe) 0-2 an epic battle, including long byoyomi drama. Oldenburger Ozas - AI Sensei (Hamburg) 0-2 DeepGreen (Darmstadt) free.

[Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League - Round 3

Hello, round 3 of the Freestylel-Go-League is ahead. On Sunday, 02 December 2018 the pairing Oktgopus (U Paderborn) - Saargenhaft (Saarbruecken) takes place. Start at 20:00 h local time. On Wednesday, 05 December 2018 the pairings Chris the brain & friends (Freiburg) - Karlsruher Allerlei (U

Re: [Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League: Round 2 on November 07

Here are the results from round 2. Chris the brain & friends - DeepGreen 0-2 Oldenburger Ozas - Saargenhaft 0-2 (by default) AI Sensei - Karlsruher Allerlei 1-1 free: Oktgopus Table after round 2: 1.-2. DeepGreen 3-1 1.-2. Karlsruher Allerlei 3-1 3. Oktgopus 2-0 4.-5. AI sensei 2-2 4.-5.

[Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League: Round 2 on November 07

Hi, round 2 of the the codecentric Freestyle League is ahead: Start of play is on Wednesday, November 07, 2018, on KGS in "Deutsche Ecke". The pairings are: Chris the brain & friends - DeepGreen Oldenburger Ozas - Saargenhaft AI Sensei - Karlsruher Allerlei free: Oktgopus Starting time 20:30 h

[Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League: thougts after round 1

Hi, one week after round 1 of the codeccentric Freestyle League I have sorted my thoughts. Of course, I know only the team captains and not their internal structures. Until yesteday it was my opinion that there are mainly three types of teams: outsiders, boxes. and brains. (This

[Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League, round 1

Hi, the first round of the Frestyle League was played last Wednesday. Here are the reults: Oldenburger Ozas - Oktgopus 0-2 AI Sensei - DeepGreen 1-1 Karlsruher Allerlei - Saargenhaft 2-0 bye: Chris the brain & friends So Paderborn (=Oktgopus) and Karlsruhe are the first two leaders in the

Re: [Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League 2018/2019

A preliminary website for the codecentric Freistil-Liga 2018/19 is online now (in German langugage). https://www.althofer.de/codecentric-freistil.html Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Oktober 2018 um 21:49 Uhr > in the German Go scene an experimental team league > will start next week.

[Computer-go] codecentric Freestyle League 2018/2019

Hello everybody, in the German Go scene an experimental team league will start next week. Here are the most important parts of the rules: "Freestyle" means that a team may use any sort of help: hardware and software, human expertise, books, ... Teams may even use Go bots in autonomous mode.

[Computer-go] now live: Human+Computer Pair Go

Hi, just now at the EGC an exhibition game is running, with transmission on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5OXzI6Vp8g Team Black is Hayashi Kozo (6p) + LeelaZero Team White is Manja Marz (European Women's Champion) + LeelaZero LZ is operated by GCP. Ingo.

[Computer-go] Computer Olympiad 2018 in Taipeh

Hello, the Computer Olympiad 2018, organized by the ICGA, takes place in Taipeh (Taiwan) and has started on July 07. There is a record number of programs participating. Here is a list of all registrations: http://www.tcga.tw/icga-computer-olympiad-2018/en/#tsignup Interestingly, Go 19x19 has

Re: [Computer-go] Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition will be held in June 23 and 24

Hi Hiroshi, thanks for all the information, in particular also for the sgf of the top game. And one question: Is there a real gap between FineArt and Leela on the one hand and all the other participants? Cheers, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list

[Computer-go] thumbs crossed ?! [offtopic]

Hi Richard, >> I think you meant "cross my fingers".     yes that is the American way to formulate is. Our Chancellor, however, prefers "thumbs pressed". Look here: https://www.bz-berlin.de/data/uploads/2014/07/merkel_1404473813-768x432.jpg In the photo, look at the single white Go stone and

Re: [Computer-go] Tencent World AI Weiqi Competition will be held in June 23 and 24

Dear Hiroshi, thank you for spreading the news. Please, keep us informed about the results on this weekend. (As sign of thankyou I will press my thumbs for the Japanese soccer team in the Wordchampionships.) Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2018 um 20:33 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi

[Computer-go] Pair-Go with human+computer teams

Hi, Pair-Go with mixed human+computer teams seems to become a fashion. In the forthcoming European Go Congress (Pisa) there will be an exhibition game on August 08: Manja Marz (European Women Champion) + LeelaZero vs Hayashi Kozo (6p, Japan) + LeelaZero Gian-Carlo Pascutto will be present in

[Computer-go] Interview with GCP

Hi, in the European Go scene an interview with Gian-Carlo Pascutto is going viral: https://www.eurogofed.org/?id=205 Cheers, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

[Computer-go] Cronus open-sourced

Hi, a friend sent me the following bit of information: ** cronus has been open-sourced. https://github.com/Tencent/PhoenixGo ** Make something out of it! Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list

Re: [Computer-go] Message by Facebook AI group

Hi Gian-Carlo, > FYI, we were able to convert the Facebook network into Leela Zero > format, which should make it a lot easier to play against or test with. > > https://github.com/gcp/leela-zero/releases > https://github.com/gcp/leela-zero/issues/1329 Thanks for your information. > > I

[Computer-go] E-Doping in online Go

Hi, unallowed computer help has become a hot topic in the Go scene recently. It is not easy to check, if a player is using computer help during his or her online games. On the next weekend, there is the North-American qualifier tournament for the next Youth Go World Championships:

[Computer-go] Message by Facebook AI group

Hello, in the German computer go forum a link to this message by the Facebook AI Research group was posted: https://research.fb.com/facebook-open-sources-elf-opengo/ I think this action will speed up "the" development. One personal quote from the acknowledgement paragraph of that message: > We

Re: [Computer-go] Leela Zero on 9x9

Hi GC, thanks for the information, and thanks to user sbf2000 for his work on 9x9. I would like to learn the name of the honorable person, but of course it is his or her right to stay anonymously. > ... Leela Zero now tops > the CGOS 9x9 list. This seems to be entirely the work of a single user

[Computer-go] Science Conference within EGC 2018

Hello, there is a science conference within the European Go Congress in Pisa. The exact date is Wednesday, August 08, 2018, for the talks. We got some high-calibre speakers. The program can be found at: https://egc2018.it/en/conference.html ** One

[Computer-go] Leela Zero has won tonight

Hi, Leela Zero has won the exhibition game against HayLee this night. Here are some links. For replay on OGS: https://online-go.com/game/12063810 logfiles of Leela Zero: https://www.reddit.com/r/cbaduk/comments/84sbop/server_log_file_from_the_haylee_leela_zero_match/ Youtube video (73

[Computer-go] LeeHay vs Leela Zero tonight

Announcement by Hajin Lee aka Haylee: https://www.facebook.com/gohaylee/posts/1471089503013875 Ingo. Sorry for the many typos in my Hawking posting. I was not concentrated after that sad new. ___

[Computer-go] Stephen Hawking

Sad news: Srephen Hawkings did today (on Pi Day). RIP (rest in pi) ! ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

[Computer-go] On the Origins of Frisbee Go

Hello, Robot Frisbee Go is my great dream project. Progress is slow, but in the meantime I was at least able to clarify the origins of classic Frisbee Go (without robots). Things started in the year 2000 in the European Go Congress in Strausberg (40 km east of Berlin).

Re: [Computer-go] On proper naming

Hi Darren, > > but then it does not make sense to call that algorithm "rollout". > > ... > > Speaking of which, why did people start calling them rollouts > instead of playouts? it comes from the Backgammon scene, where for instance rungames in the endgame were estimated by dozens or hundreds

[Computer-go] On proper naming

Hi Dan, hi friends, > There is actually no randomness in the algorithm, just like AlphaZero's... but then it does not make sense to call that algorithm "rollout". ** In general: when introducing a new name, care should be taken that the name

[Computer-go] Pegasus - Cronus - Hercules ?

Out of couriosity: Who are the programmers behind Pegasus, Cronus, and Hercules? (These three bots are in the top group on CGOS.) May they be different bots from the same group? Are the authors from Greece? Questions over questions ... Ingo. ___

Re: [Computer-go] 9x9 is last frontier?

Hi Dan, I find your definition of "Alpha-Beta rollouts" somewhat puzzling. > Alpha-beta rollouts is like MCTS without playouts (as in > AlphaZero), and something that can also do alpha-beta pruning.   I would instead define "Alpha-Beta rollout" in the following way: You have a fast alpha-beta

[Computer-go] Game-independent AlphaZero approach

Hi Remi, hi friends, > For the moment, my main objective is shogi. I > will participate in the World Computer Shogi > Championship in May. Good luck! Please, keep us informed when the tournament is running. > So I am developing a game-independent AlphaZero framework. I am hoping several

[Computer-go] Out of couriosity ...

Hello, looking at boards of different sizes, may there be some threshold d, such that the Zero approach is in particular successfull for all boards larger than dxd und less successfull for boards smaller than dxd? Or does duccess increase gradually with board size? Second question: Go may also

Re: [Computer-go] 9x9 is last frontier?

Von: "David Doshay" > Go is hard. > Programming is hard. >  > Programming Go is hard squared.  > ;^) And that on square boards. Mama mia! ;-) Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [Computer-go] Using 9x9 policy on 13x13 and 19x19

Hello Hiroshi, hello friends, a very interesting discussion. Thank you for all your contributions. > 19x19 policy is similar strength on 13x13 and 166 Elo weaker on 9x9. > 9x9 policy is 390 Elo weaker on 13x13, and 491 Elo weaker on 19x19. > It seems smaller board is more useless than bigger

[Computer-go] MCTS with win-draw-loss scores

Hello, what is known about proper MCTS procedures for games which do not only have wins and losses, but also draws (like chess, Shogi or Go with integral komi)? Should neural nets provide (win, draw, loss)-probabilities for positions in such games? Ingo.

Re: [Computer-go] MiniGo open sourced

Hi, GCP wrote: > ... > > Of course, in the end, strength is the best way to tell that your > > implementation is correct :) > > In other words, do not take "correct" as necessarily meaning "matching > the published research". Chrilly Donnninger, one of the computer chess gurus in the 1990's

Re: [Computer-go] MiniGo open sourced

Dear Brian, thank you for your posting and for publishing the MiniGo code.   > I'm happy to announce MiniGo is now open source. > https://github.com/tensorflow/minigo > > We're ... aiming for a correct, very readable implementation > of the AlphaGoZero algorithm and demonstration of Google >

[Computer-go] Pisa: International Conference on Research in Mind Games

ni-jena.de Main organizers: Prof. Ingo Althöfer, University of Jena Prof. Marc Oliver Rieger, University of Trier Local organizing committee: Carlo Metta, University of Florence Prof. Mauri

Re: [Computer-go] WIRED is reading our list

Hello, Ke Jie did play a second handicap game against Fine Art and won convincingly (in 72 moves). There is a translation of an interview given by him at reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/7suord/on_ke_jies_2_handicap_games/?st=jcuhzf2y=f5737baa Most of all I like Ke Jie's words in

[Computer-go] WIRED is reading our list

expert (indeed my rank, mostly inactive, is about 18-kyu); but I feel more competent on computer go questions ;-) Ingo. > Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Januar 2018 um 07:50 Uhr > Von: "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> > [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke J

Re: [Computer-go] Zen giving handicap against pro players

Dear Hideki, > >So, were the handicap games played at "normal" komi values > >(6,5 or 7,5 points) ? > > No, but "standard" 0.5 pts. Zen supports very wide range of > komi; about -20 to +30 (mainly for the users of > Tencho-no-Igo). that is very interesting information. In particular, because

Re: [Computer-go] Zen giving handicap against pro players

Dear Hideki, >>> On Yugen-no-ma, Nihonkiin's online Go site, many (mainly >>> young) professionals have played more than 200 two-hc games >>> against Zen and its winrate is greater than 70%, AFICR. > >>* Is that the "normal" Zen version, or one that is >>specially tuned for handicap games? >

[Computer-go] Zen giving handicap against pro players

Dear Hideki, > >> On Yugen-no-ma, Nihonkiin's online Go site, many (mainly > >> young) professionals have played more than 200 two-hc games > >> against Zen and its winrate is greater than 70%, AFICR. > > ... > > Early December or late November, I remember but due to an > accident. HC games

[Computer-go] With English Subtitles: Behind the scenes of Fine Art AI

Hello, Stefan Kaitschick just mentioned in the German computer go forum that there exists a (new) Youtube documentation on FineArt AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHJ2BnFx8Ak It is about 40 minutes long and has English subtitles. Cheers, Ingo.

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

Hi Hideki, thanks for your posting. > On Yugen-no-ma, Nihonkiin's online Go site, many (mainly > young) professionals have played more than 200 two-hc games > against Zen and its winrate is greater than 70%, AFICR. Very interesting information, and congratulations to Zen's performance. * Do

Re: [Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt giving handicap against pro players

That is the new world: Top computer programs are giving handicap to (top) professional players! "We" had the intention to have a handicap setting with DeepZen against a Japanese Pro in the European Go Congress in July/August 2018, but the Japanese organisation of Professional Go Players did

[Computer-go] Breakthrough: FineArt beating Ke Jie with 2 Handicap Stones

Hello in the round, it seems that Chinese company Tencent with their Go project FineArt has achieved a fantastic breakthrough: According to the website of the International Go Federation the new version of FineArt has played 34 handicap games against pro players, winning 30 of the games. Special

[Computer-go] New on Project Leela Zero

Dear Gian-Carlo, many thanks for running your ZERO project in public. For all others: I highly recommend reading Gian-Carlo's fresh statement in the following link: https://github.com/gcp/leela-zero/issues/591 Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list

[Computer-go] Project Leela Zero

Hello in the round, I am not sure how narrowly people from the list are following the progress of Gian Carlo Pascutto's project Zero Leela. Therefore, here are some impressions. The project site is: http://zero.sjeng.org/ Shortly before Christmas some guys in the German Go mailing list claimed

[Computer-go] Japanese Shogi scene and AlphaZero

Hello in the round, I asked a Japanese friend how the DeepMind report (on Chess and Shogi) was recepted in the Shogi scene. Here are the central parts of his answer (given on Wednesday): > Today, I just found a news on Alpha Zero in a Japanese > common newspaper, Asahi Shinbun, reporting the

Re: [Computer-go] AI ryusei 2017 first day result

Dear Hiroshi, thank you for the information. And please, keep us informed also tomorrow. Best regards, Ingo. > Gesendet: Samstag, 09. Dezember 2017 um 10:36 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] AI ryusei 2017 first day

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering Chess and Shogi by Self-Play with a General Reinforcement Learning Algorithm

Hi Jim, > In 2002/Nov, I created a Go adaptation, Abchij, which > I think might not be easily conquered by these > algorithms. It's funny, I did so in anticipation of > thwarting any sort of brute force algorithms that might > emerge to "solve" Go as I hated how those were the > solution to

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering Chess and Shogi by Self-Play with a General Reinforcement Learning Algorithm

> The AlphaZero paper shows it out-performs AlphaGoZero, but they are > comparing to the 20-block, 3-day version. Not the 40-block, 40-day > version that was even stronger. > As papers rarely show failures, can we take it to mean they couldn't > out-perform their best go bot, do you think? ... >

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering Chess and Shogi by Self-Play with a General Reinforcement Learning Algorithm

"Joshua Shriver" asked: > What about arimaa? My personal impression: Arimaa should be rather easy for the AlphaZero approach. My questions: * How well does the AlphaZero approach perform in Non-zero-sum games? (or in games with more than two players) * How well does the

Re: [Computer-go] Mastering Chess and Shogi by Self-Play with a General Reinforcement Learning Algorithm

It seems, we are living in extremely heavy times ... I want to go to bed now and meditate for threee days. > DeepMind makes strongest Chess and Shogi programs with AlphaGo Zero method. > Mastering Chess and Shogi by Self-Play with a General Reinforcement Learning > Algorithm >

[Computer-go] Art or not?

Hi, for the traditional Go scene it is hard to live in the period of the Alpha revolution. Part of my process to cope with the changes is to design some collages. Here is an example: http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5107.0;attach=6159;image The German Go scene is just

[Computer-go] A very interesting interview

Hi all, currently a big duel in computer chess is taking place, with Komodo and Houdini playing a 100-games match. There was an in-depth interview with the programmers (Mark Lefler and Larry Kaufman from Komodo, Robert Houdart from Houdini; Nelson Hernandez being the moderator). Buit is a long

Re: [Computer-go] Learning related stuff

Hello Stephan, > Another option for your experiment might be to take the 72-hour-old > network, but only retain the first layers, and initialize randomly the > last layers. yes, or many others. Not all of them have to be fantastic, but when you/we get some experience and have a new try every 3

Re: [Computer-go] Learning related stuff

Hi Petri,   "Petri Pitkanen" > >>But again: For instance, when a eight year old child starts >>to play violin, is it helpful or not when it had played >>say a trumpet before? >  > It would be and this is well known in practice. Logic > around the music is the same so

Re: [Computer-go] Learning related stuff

Hi Alvaro, Von: "Álvaro Begué" > The term you are looking for is "transfer learning":  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_learning   thanks for that interesting hint. However, it is not exactly what I am looking at. My question was more in observing and

Re: [Computer-go] Learning related stuff

Hi Darren, > Can I correctly rephrase your question as: if you take a well-trained > komi 7.5 network, then give it komi 5.5 training data, will it adapt > quickly, or would it be faster/better to start over from scratch? (From > the point of view of creating a strong komi 5.5 program.) (?) in

Re: [Computer-go] Learning related stuff

Hi Erik, > No need for AlphaGo hardware to find out; any > toy problem will suffice to explore different > initialization schemes... I know that. My intention with the question is a different one: I am thinking how humans are learning. Is it beneficial to have learnt related - but different

[Computer-go] Learning related stuff

AlphaGo Zero started with random values in its neural net - and reached top level within 72 hours. Would it typically help or disrupt to start instead with values that are non-random? What I have in mind concretely: Look at 19x19 Go with komi=5.5 In run A you start with random values in the net.

Re: [Computer-go] Is MCTS needed?

Hi Petr, > What would you say is the current state-of-art game tree search for > chess? That's a very unfamiliar world for me, to be honest all I really > know is MCTS... Stockfish is one of the top-three chess programs, and it is open source. It is mainly iterative deepening alpha-beta, but

Re: [Computer-go] Update Odin Zero 9x9 Komi 7.

Hi Magnus, thanks also to you for your experiments. In particular, I like you setting with integral komi. Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Samstag, 11. November 2017 um 00:48 Uhr > Von: valky...@phmp.se > An: Computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] Update Odin Zero 9x9 Komi 7. > > Odin

Re: [Computer-go] Nochi: Slightly successful AlphaGo Zero replication

Dear Petr, many thanks for you experiments and your posting! It is an important puzzle piece in understanding Alpha-Zero. Keep on with your good work. Regards, Ingo. > Gesendet: Freitag, 10. November 2017 um 01:47 Uhr > Von: "Petr Baudis" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org >

Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

For all who want to participate, here is the correct link: http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1127 Come on guys, it is THE FINAL! The winner of the tournament will get a surprise price from me. ___ Computer-go mailing list

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

"Petri Pitkanen" wrot: > They are free to use in any attribution. Game score is a reflection of > historical fact and hence not copyrightable. "reflection of historical fact" concerns games that were played in public. Over the decades, there were several

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero

What shall I say? Really impressive. My congratulations to the DeepMind team! > https://deepmind.com/blog/ > http://www.nature.com/nature/index.html * Would the same approach also work for integral komi values (with the possibility of draws)? If so, what would the likely correct komi for 19x19

Re: [Computer-go] Deep Blue the end, AlphaGo the beginning?

GCP wrote: > Maybe we should stop inventing artificial differences and appreciate > that the tools in our toolbox have become much sharper over the years. Amen. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [Computer-go] Zen ahead of CGI ahead of FineArt

Hi, I recommend the very interesting thread https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f=18=14466=0 on this event at Life-in-19x19. Cheeers, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.

Dear Hiroshi, thank you for the results and the sgf data. Congratulations to Zen team, including Hideki! Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 um 11:12 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] CGI won

Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.

Dear Hiroshi, thank you for our information. Can you please keep us informed about the results from the final tournament? Thank you in advance, Ingo. > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 um 02:59 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff:

Re: [Computer-go] Invisible: The Brave new World in Go

Hi Lukas, if you have a friend in the European Go COngress in oberhof, tell him to buy a copy for your. Special EGC prize is 30 Euro; later it will be 34. You friend would even have the chance to collect some autographs: by Fan Hui, who will give talks on next Tuesday and Wednesday; and by

[Computer-go] Invisible: The Brave new World in Go

Hello, I was able to buy a copy of the brandnew book "Invisible: The Games of AlphaGo", just yesterday during the European Go Congress. The book is paperback and has 272 pages. It was compiled, edited, and translated by the Finnish pro player Antti Toermaenen. Published by Hebsacker Verlag,

Re: [Computer-go] What architecture behind Golois2 KGS 7dan ?

Hi Tristan, nice to read from you. All the best for your "new" Project! Ingo. > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juli 2017 um 21:43 Uhr > Von: cazen...@ai.univ-paris8.fr > An: "Patrick Bardou" , computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] What architecture behind

[Computer-go] KGS Bot tournament July

Hello, it seems that the KGS bot tournament did not start, yet. What is the matter? Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] NNGS server for Go in Leiden

Hi Hideki, thank you for the information. Unfortunately, I can not be in Leiden this time. Please, give my greetings to the other participants, to the organizers, and also to the participants in the conference. Best regards, Ingo. > Gesendet: Samstag, 01. Juli 2017 um 07:11 Uhr > Von: "Hideki

[Computer-go] Exhibition Games in EGC 2017

Hello, first of all big thanks to those who fixed the recent problem with this mailing list! And now for my annnouncement: The European Go Congress 2017 will be held in Oberhof (Thuringia), from July 22 to August 06. I am helping in the organisation team. On Wednesday, August 02, there will be

Re: [Computer-go] mini-max with Policy and Value network

Hi, just my 2 Cent. "Gian-Carlo Pascutto" wrote: > In the attached SGF, AlphaGo played P10, which was considered a very > surprising move by all commentators... > I can sort-of confirm this: > > 0.295057654 (E13) > ...(60 more moves follow)... > 0.11952 (P10) > > So,

Re: [Computer-go] Ke Jie vs. AlphaGo match

Hi Aja, will you also enjoy the games or will it be distress for you? Ingo. PS. Concerning concerns of the others: It would be fine to have (near)-realtime capture of the games on KGS.     *** Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Mai 2017 um

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

ith one GPU. > So maybe around 4169 + 250 = 4300. > > Zen19X is +800 Elo stronger, and its winrate is about 99%. > > Thanks, > Hiroshi Yamashita > > - Original Message - > From: ""Ingo Althöfer"" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> > To: &l

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

Hi Hideki, thanks for the explannation. So, Aya was already too far ahead. Zen had two more games against Aya in the rounds 5-12 - and won both of them. What do you think about the playing strengths of Zen and Aya in comparison? Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Dienstag, 09. Mai 2017 um 10:31 Uhr >

Re: [Computer-go] May KGS bot tournament

Ui, what happened to Zen in the first four rounds? https://www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=s=1113 Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

  1   2   3   4   5   >