Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Petr Baudis wrote: > On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 02:29:27PM +0200, Erik van der Werf wrote: >> A measure that I find reasonable is a limit on number of threads x >> clock frequency. > I'm not sure this would work well. The #playouts difference between

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If I compare hardware specs in the KGS tournaments I usually use http://spec.org/cpu2006/results/rint2006.html (Multithread Integer operations are the ones most important for computer go programs I think) Detlef Am 08.10.2015 um 05:48 schrieb

[Computer-go] Fast pick from a probability list

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I have a probability table of all possible moves. What is the fastest way to pick with probability, possibly with reducing the quality of probability?! I could not find any discussion on this on computer-go, but probably I missed it :( Thansk a

Re: [Computer-go] Fast pick from a probability list

> I have a probability table of all possible moves. What is the > fastest way to pick with probability, possibly with reducing the > quality of probability?! > > I could not find any discussion on this on computer-go, but probably > I missed it :( I may have misunderstood the question, but there

[Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

I am thinking of making some small changes to the way I run bot tournaments on KGS. If you have ever taken part in a KGS bot tournament, I would like to hear your opinions on three things. 1. Limit on processor power? This is the main point on which I want your opinions. The other two are

Re: [Computer-go] Fast pick from a probability list

In case the question is more on the computational part, you might use a binary tree, so that you do the selection in time O(log(number of moves)) instead of O(number of moves). The update is also in logarithmic time for some probability update rules (to be discussed, depends on how you modify your

Re: [Computer-go] Limit on processor power?

John McCarthy advocated a level playing-field like one-design sailboat races for AI competitions. having competed in some of those (sailboat races, that is), i can attest that even in one-design formulas, the field is not entirely level, as flukey winds and the occasional freighter going through

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

Hi Nick, Some kind of limit on processing power would be interesting. To me it seems clear that a program like Zen benefits a lot by using more processing power than it's close competitors. A measure that I find reasonable is a limit on number of threads x clock frequency. E.g., a program

Re: [Computer-go] KGS Tournament Registration

This is what happens when you reuse an e-mail from someone instead of writing a new one... On 10/07/2015 01:40 PM, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira wrote: Hi, I'd like to register my program to enter the November computer Go tournament. Bot name in KGS: matilda Bot real name: matilda Authors: Gonçalo

[Computer-go] KGS Tournament Registration

Hi, I'd like to register my program to enter the November computer Go tournament. Bot name in KGS: matilda Bot real name: matilda Authors: Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira (gonmf at KGS) Processor power: CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 3930K @ 3.20GHz, RAM: G.Skill DDR3 4x8GB @ 1.6GHz, doesn't use the GPU

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

> > 1. I do not see a way to do this but running on same hardware (e.g. > Amazon EC2 with graphic card). Even this is unfair, as programs might > be optimized to other configurations (cluster) > > First, there is the question is fairness is even desirable. But also, as you say, it is really

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Hideki Kato wrote: > Erik, > > Erik van der Werf: >

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

I'd like to explain my idea more. The monthly tournaments (and current annual championship (FL class)) are not necessary to change. Just creating one more championship class for desktop computers (PC class). An entrant has to state so if he/she wants to belong PC class (i.e., all entrants

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

Nick & all, 1. Although introducing some limitation of cpu power is an intersting idea (actually my GPW Cup does), I think it's too early for KGS bot tournaments. How to utilize computer clusters' power for planning tasks is a common and important reseach theme now. As communication over

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

Nick & all, Another direction for the hardware. How about introducing two classes for the Annual Championship? I.e., no-limit (formula libre) class and personal computer one. My proposal for the later is very simple; one desktop (i.e., non-server) cpu and one video card. Hideki Nick Wedd:

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

Erik, Erik van der Werf:

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

I think this is a good compromise. Monthly tournaments free for everyone and maybe an yearly one segregated by hardware. Having segregated monthly tournaments would be a bit taxing on the organization and people who would submit their programs for all hardware divisions. Segregation based on

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

Erik van der Werf: : >On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Hideki Kato wrote: >> Erik, >> >> Erik van der Werf: >>

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

Although I agree on the research argument (setting no limits encourages work on massive parallel distributed architectures), I do find it a bit funny to see this argument coming from team Zen. As far as I know team Zen does not publish their research findings (or did I miss some papers?). Erik

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

I think cluster renting is a little more complex than Rémi makes it seem, because behind the few hours of tournament play will be many more hours of testing. There are also other reasons why programs may only target personal computers, for instance if they're commercial for personal use. If

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

Hi Nick, I don’t care much about having a limit on processing power. I’d be happy either way. Cloud computing platforms like Amazon EC2 allows to rent powerful servers at a low price. The machine I used for the tournament cost me 0.3$/hour or so. So the argument that only rich or academic

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

Hi Nick, I don’t care much about having a limit on processing power. I’d be happy either way. Cloud computing platforms like Amazon EC2 allows to rent powerful servers at a low price. The machine I used for the tournament cost me 0.3$/hour or so. So the argument that only rich or academic

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

How about handicapping the hardware based on time. Programs running on more powerful hardware would get less time. On the other hand, improving the software includes making use of more powerful hardware. Handicapping (or banning) powerful hardware would discourage that. On third hand,

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

I know, this is a lot of work, but what about "caegories" ? 2015-10-07 14:06 GMT-03:00 Rémi Coulom : > Hi Nick, > > I don’t care much about having a limit on processing power. I’d be happy > either way. > > Cloud computing platforms like Amazon EC2 allows to rent powerful