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I have provided a crosstable for the Open division. The rules governing the two divisions are explained at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/rules.html#twodivs Nick On 10 August 2016 at 08:06, Xavier Combelle wrote: > thanks a lot, it was more a surprise than anything

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thanks a lot, it was more a surprise than anything else. What are the difference of rules between open and close division ? 2016-08-09 9:23 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd : > I could create a cross-table for the Open division. If there are enough > players in future Open divisions, I

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I could create a cross-table for the Open division. If there are enough players in future Open divisions, I will. But, with only two players, and almost all games decided by one of the players running out of time or by the other failing to appear at all, I didn't bother. Maybe I'll do it anyway.

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Is it volunteer that there is no cross table for open division ? If I understand well there is only two bot on it. 2016-08-08 13:59 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd : > Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of yesterdays's KGS bot tournament! > > My report, at

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There were problems caused by my mis-typing entities: omitting the "&", and typing "freac" instead of "frac". I fixed those manually. I have now run the page through https://validator.w3.org/, and taken its advice as far as I can. Initially it reported 26 errors and 6 warnings. At peak, this was

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On 17/07/2016 17:03, Xavier Combelle wrote: > It seems that on my firefox 47.0.1 some html entities are rendered for > example komi 7 but with the 9times;9 tournament still running, Renders correctly here and also with a clean Firefox profile, so the problem is likely either your

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Hello everybody, thanks to Nick for organozing the tournaments and for providung the reports. Thanks to the top scorers Zen and Aya for participation and for showing their strong Go. Thanks also to ManyFaces and Leela for participating! Eight years ago both were the surprise winners in the

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Thank you, David, I have corrected the page. Nick On 16 July 2016 at 19:20, David Fotland wrote: > Correction on ManyFaces hardware. Running on a 4-core i7-4790 3.6 GHz, > without a GPU, using a deep neural net (that I trained on KGS games). > > > > David > > > >

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Correction on ManyFaces hardware. Running on a 4-core i7-4790 3.6 GHz, without a GPU, using a deep neural net (that I trained on KGS games). David From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Nick Wedd Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 8:21 AM To:

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Hey Nick, thanks for organising this tournament each month! It’s always a lot of fun. Cheers, Urban On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Nick Wedd wrote: > Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of today's KGS 9x9 bot tournament with > 20 wins from 20 games! > > My report (which

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Hi Nick, thanks for organizing the tournament, and also for quick delivery of your report. It seems that at the moment Zen is out of reach for all other bots (except AlphaGo) - not only those in the tournament. Zen's newest KGS-account Zen19A (starting on June 19, 2016) is playing on 8-dan

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On 10-05-16 16:20, Detlef Schmicker wrote: > OK, this thread is quite long, and I am not sure I saw all posts > :) > > My suggestion, rate the bots on CGOS before the tournament and > take this rating for McMahon or for handicaps. This doesn't work for the reason stated in the exact post you're

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 OK, this thread is quite long, and I am not sure I saw all posts :) My suggestion, rate the bots on CGOS before the tournament and take this rating for McMahon or for handicaps. I think we can thrust the bot authors to take the correct rating and

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You understand correctly. I think that between us, would could reach agreement on what rankings to use for seeding. But no-one has the power to input seeds anyway. On 10 May 2016 at 14:09, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > On 10-05-16 00:14, Erik van der Werf wrote: > > Oh that's

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On 10-05-16 00:14, Erik van der Werf wrote: > Oh that's silly! IIRC if your bot is not ranked than users can do all > kind of cheating in the scoring phase (e.g., mark all your living stones > dead). I've not observed this behavior so far. Perhaps because in an unranked game there's no rating to

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Yes, I would be OK with requiring rated bots if it were easy to get new accounts the “rated bot status”. I could have the account Imrscl031 for version 0.3.1 and so on and just abandon the old accounts as you say. But the fact that it takes so long to get a rated account makes this a bit

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More apologies. That should be "Zen19X". Nick On 10 May 2016 at 08:26, Nick Wedd wrote: > Thanks to those who have pointed out various errors in my reported. I have > now corrected it. > > I apologise for mis-spelling "Zen10X" in the first line of the message at > the top

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On 10 May 2016 at 07:57, Urban Hafner wrote: > My impression was that you can only get the status of a ranked bot if it’s > somehow “stable”. So that would mean that I would have to have a new > account for each new version of the bot, wouldn’t it? Especially with early

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Thanks to those who have pointed out various errors in my reported. I have now corrected it. I apologise for mis-spelling "Zen10X" in the first line of the message at the top of this thread. Nick On 9 May 2016 at 14:33, Nick Wedd wrote: > Congratulations to Xen19X, winner

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My impression was that you can only get the status of a ranked bot if it’s somehow “stable”. So that would mean that I would have to have a new account for each new version of the bot, wouldn’t it? Especially with early stage bots like mine the jumps in strength can be quite large. But on the

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We are waiting for the superadmin to set LeelaBot's status to Rated. She has not been active recently, maybe she is on vacation. Nick On 9 May 2016 at 23:14, Erik van der Werf wrote: > Oh that's silly! IIRC if your bot is not ranked than users can do all kind > of

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Oh that's silly! IIRC if your bot is not ranked than users can do all kind of cheating in the scoring phase (e.g., mark all your living stones dead). On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 12:07 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: > On 10/05/2016 0:01, Erik van der Werf wrote: > > Well then why not

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On 10/05/2016 0:01, Erik van der Werf wrote: > Well then why not make that a criterion for entering the tournament? For > any half-decent bot it shouldn't be hard to get a rating. FWIW I requested ranked status for LeelaBot 3 weeks ago and this was not granted. Technically I'm not sure if this

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Well then why not make that a criterion for entering the tournament? For any half-decent bot it shouldn't be hard to get a rating. Any idea what happens for unrated bots? Do they end up somewhere at the bottom, or are they rejected? Erik On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Nick Wedd

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On 9/05/2016 23:16, Erik van der Werf wrote: > Why not McMahon? (possibly with reduced handicap). It works fine in > human Go tournaments. http://senseis.xmp.net/?McMahon How does this work? That page doesn't mention handicaps. Indeed, the idea seems to be to eliminate large strength

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A problem with McMahon is that the bots would all need KGS ratings. I can't assign ratings myself, the scheduler uses the ratings assigned by KGS. In the five tournaments held so far this year, there are sixteen bots that have competed at least once: eight have been rated, eight not. Nick On 9

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Another matter is that, in case of MCTS programs, encouraging them to play well in handicap games was a troublesome point. This cuts both ways (may discourage participation, or encourage implementation of better handling of handicap games). A possible strategy would be: - Require ranked

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Why not McMahon? (possibly with reduced handicap). It works fine in human Go tournaments. IMO KGS Swiss is pretty boring for most of the time, and the scheduler often seems to have a lot of undesired influence on the final ranking. Also at this point I'm really not that interested any more to

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Hi Gian-Carlo, I have thought carefully about your question on determinning handicaps properly. It seems you are very right with your doubts > The first obvious question is then: how will you determine the handicaps? A naive approach would be to take the KGS ranks of the bots. But even for

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I'm not sure what options are available for tournament setup, but assuming we can enter skill levels manually... I think it would be hard to pick perfect ratings, but I bet it wouldn't be too difficult to generate a guess at ELO/kyu levels based on past performance. Inputting something like ELO/2

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On May 9, 2016 10:38 AM, "Urban Hafner" wrote: > >Also, you give me too much credit. I’m not the primary author of HouseBot, that is Jason House. I was merely a co-author/contributor. > > Urban I didn't even notice that in the report! I'm not too worried about credit for

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On 09-05-16 16:04, "Ingo Althöfer" wrote: > Another point for discussion: > Although there were only six participants they split in > at least 4 classes, seperated by large gaps in strength: > Zen >> abakus, HiraBot >> LeelaBot >> Imrsel, matilda > Perhaps it makes really sense to think about a

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Thanks for organising this Nick! Even though Iomrascálaí came second to last it was very useful as I could figure out how to make it play on KGS. :) And like Ingo already said, it played against abakus in the second round. Also, you give me too much credit. I’m not the primary author of HouseBot,

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Hi Nick, thanks for organizing the tournament and also for the report. I found one small inconsistency: You write that Imrsel had connection problems in round 2 against matilda. But in round 2, imrsel had been paired with abakus, according to the table.  

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Hi Nick > On 07 Apr 2016, at 12:47, Nick Wedd wrote: > > (What I meant was that some of the people posting to the list that you gave a > link to have failed to understand it.) Yes that's why I gave you a direct link to my comment. But the confusion is probably my fault,

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Ok, I have deleted the cheesy comment. (What I meant was that some of the people posting to the list that you gave a link to have failed to understand it.) On 7 April 2016 at 20:15, David Ongaro wrote: > Thanks, but what do you mean by that cheesy comment "Human

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Thanks, but what do you mean by that cheesy comment "Human players can find this hard to understand"? If you want to make a meaningful comment you could say that Fuego didn't understand the situation by playing h8 instead of g9. > On 07 Apr 2016, at 11:31, Nick Wedd wrote:

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Hi David, Thank you for telling me about this. I have added a link to the article. Best, Nick On 4 April 2016 at 16:53, David Ongaro wrote: > Sorry for being late to the "game" (but you never specified a deadline > till when you accept corrections). From: >

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Thank you for noticing this. I will correct it when I am back at home and can use a real computer. Nick On Apr 4, 2016 2:09 PM, "Seo Sanghyeon" wrote: > 2016-03-31 0:17 GMT+09:00 Nick Wedd : > > My report is at

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2016-03-31 0:17 GMT+09:00 Nick Wedd : > My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S16.1/index.html > As usual, I look forward to hearing your comments and criticisms; though I > may not respond for a while, I am about to leave for a week's holiday. "In round 6, after

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Aja, sorry to bother you with trivialities, but how does Alphago avoid power or network failures and such incidents? -- robert jasiek ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

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Indeed. And the name is similar to 'WeakBot50k', a deliberately weak program. The 'WeakBot' account is used by HiraBot. Nick. On Feb 22, 2016 1:29 PM, "Aja Huang" wrote: > WeakBot's author might want to rename the program? It's not weak at all. :) > > Aja > > On Mon, Feb

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dear Aja, > AlphaGo is getting stronger and stronger. I hope you all will enjoy watching > the games. Could you tell us if Alpha Go is able to come up with that most famous of moves: http://senseis.xmp.net/?EarReddeningMove Or is it so strong that it found an even better move:-? regards,

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Aja, My anticipation couldn't be any higher, I don't think! I wish you and your AlphaGo team the best of luck! Namaste, Jim On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Aja Huang wrote: > Hi Ingo, > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:49 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> > wrote:

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Hi Aja, > WeakBot's author might want to rename the program? It's not weak at all. :)   thanks for that comment. It is exactly what I was tempted to post. A simple change would be to WakeBot (simple shuffling the letters). By the way: is progress fine with respect to

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Yes, my mistake. I have now corrected it to "Black has still won". Thank you for pointing it out. Nick On 22 February 2016 at 12:21, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira wrote: > In round 26 gnugo vs matilda is this right > > "They then disagreed about the status of the black stones at the

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Better link: http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/120/index.html (your link sends to the January tournament) On 02/22/2016 01:10 PM, Nick Wedd wrote: Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of the February KGS tournament! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/120/index.html

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In round 26 gnugo vs matilda is this right "They then disagreed about the status of the black stones at the bottom of the board (they are dead, but even if they live somehow, White has still won)." By my count black has 48 and white 33+7. This caught my eye because matilda has a pretty good

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks, would be great if we could get the hardware info on darkforest :) (it is in the tournament rules as I understood, so Facebook should release...) Thanks Detlef Am 10.01.2016 um 16:18 schrieb Nick Wedd: > Congratulations to Zen19S, winner of

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Dear Nick, I was surprised this very quick report, thanks. The Annual Championship is not 2015 but 2016 (and the page is not updated yet). Best regards, Hideki Nick Wedd: : >Congratulations to Zen19S, winner of the January

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the link is wrong but the label is correct it is indeed http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/115/index.html http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/114/index.html 2015-08-10 19:29 GMT+02:00 Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com: Congratulations to Zen19X, winner of yesterday's 13x13 KGS bot tournament, with 17

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What driver is loaded before suspend? My guess: your distro does not reload the corresponing kernel module after suspend... On Ubuntu the driver does not seem to be loaded as module, therefore I can not check... if you know what module, check lsmod to see if it is loaded after suspend I

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I have the no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU both before and after suspend. It is no big deal anyway: rather than waste hours on this, I guess I'd rather not suspend anymore. Thanks, Rémi On 02/17/2015 09:45 AM, Detlef Schmicker wrote: What driver is loaded before suspend?

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Thanks Nick, It was fun to participate again. After the tournament, I noticed that my CPU was about 3x slower than usual. It turns out it is because of a bug in my Linux distro (Mint 17). After suspend, the CPU becomes slow. I have not yet found a proper way to fix this. Maybe someone on

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Got it :-). Thanks. Le 12 janv. 2015 14:59, Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com a écrit : Congratulations to Zen19S, undefeated winner of yesterday's 19x19 KGS bot tournament! My report is http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/109/index.html As usual, I hope you will report any errors or comments to me.

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Nick, I just had the same problem. Gmail is being over helpful by grouping all emails with the exact same title as a thread. So, goto your Sent folder. Look for the email with the Subject you just used. Notice there is a number in parenthesis to the right indicating the number of emails in the

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Jim, Thank you! That is very useful. I have found a load of test messages, all threaded together under the title test. Serve me right, I guess. Nick On 12 January 2015 at 15:47, Jim O'Flaherty jim.oflaherty...@gmail.com wrote: Nick, I just had the same problem. Gmail is being over

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In message xbcjtzyzxiclf...@maproom.demon.co.uk, Nick Wedd n...@maproom.co.uk writes Congratulations to Zen19, undefeated winner of yesterday's 10-round KGS bot tournament! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/56/index.html and as usual, I will appreciate your pointing out my

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On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 10:12:41PM +, Nick Wedd wrote: Congratulations to Zen19, undefeated winner of yesterday's 10-round KGS bot tournament! My report is at http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/56/index.html and as usual, I will appreciate your pointing out my mistakes. Thank you for the

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Hi, Thank you for reporting. PueGo - AyaMC figure misses Black A14. pachi2's probability of winning dropped from 0.92 to 0.07 and it resigned. Aya's probability upped from 0.03 to 0.96. I set resign percent 0.02 on this tournament, usually 0.15. Never resign mode may get a bit good result.

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09, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Zen! Hi, Thank you for reporting. PueGo - AyaMC figure misses Black A14. pachi2's probability of winning dropped from 0.92 to 0.07 and it resigned. Aya's probability upped from 0.03 to 0.96. I set resign percent 0.02

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Quoting Nick Wedd n...@maproom.co.uk: In message 20090622202905.utvbb8wkgk8cw...@webmail.phmp.se, Magnus Persson magnus.pers...@phmp.se writes I looked at the report and would like to give my opinion on why the programs played as they did in the commented game between Zen and Aya. In

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I looked at the report and would like to give my opinion on why the programs played as they did in the commented game between Zen and Aya. In the game white 106 threatens to capture the left side and most importantly avoid the dangers of a huge semeai. If black does not play 111 the game

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In message 20090622202905.utvbb8wkgk8cw...@webmail.phmp.se, Magnus Persson magnus.pers...@phmp.se writes I looked at the report and would like to give my opinion on why the programs played as they did in the commented game between Zen and Aya. In the game white 106 threatens to capture the