Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-15 Thread Paul Meyer
All health care systems, including the US ration resources on some basis. The ironic thing about the health care debate focusing on Canada and Britain as alternative models is that we are familiar with them because of linguistic and cultural similarities but neither are particularly well funded

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-15 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
British and Canadian system are quite different. In the British the docs are employees of the system. In Canada they are not. Marcio At 03:05 AM 8/15/2007, Paul Meyer wrote: All health care systems, including the US ration resources on some basis. The ironic thing about the health care debate

[CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
Some of you should immediately stop reading and hit the delete key. You know who you are. From Information Week... It's getting hard to find reasons to buy a Windows PC, aside from sheer inertia. Windows PCs used to be far more cost-effective than Macs, but no longer. Macs can now compete

[CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location

2007-08-15 Thread Jeff Morris
Here's a little different take on the Canadian Health Care System by someone who lived in Canada for years...worth reading. Socializing the health care industry would be biggest mistake this country has ever made. Post Office vs Fed Ex. Enough said. Follow the link below to read the truth

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location

2007-08-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
What I said is reinforced by what he said. The Canadian system uses rationing to balance things out. We do not like rationing and we will fight rationing at every turn. My wife's grandmother died of an aortic aneurysm. Diagnosed, but not treated, she was over 80. My grandmother died due

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location

2007-08-15 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
Yes, the Canadian System has indeed some powerful enemies. Not difficult to figure why. Marcio At 21:37 15/8/2007, Jeff Morris wrote: Here's a little different take on the Canadian Health Care System by someone who lived in Canada for years...worth reading. Socializing the health care

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location

2007-08-15 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
At 21:49 15/8/2007, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: What I said is reinforced by what he said. The Canadian system uses rationing to balance things out. We do not like rationing and we will fight rationing at every turn. My wife's grandmother died of an aortic aneurysm. Diagnosed, but not

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location

2007-08-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Marcio I think you have me pegged wrong. I lived in Canada and my first two children were born there. My first child died of congenital heart problems but got extremely good care and treatment, he died because of the congenital problems, not care. After he died the doctor ordered, and my

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location

2007-08-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Marcio income and insurance does not guarantee you good care in the US. Ask the wife of John Ritter who died of a dissected Aorta. They misdiagnosed his condition and he died. My brother had the same problem and 10 years later is still living. He was properly diagnosed. And my brother is

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location (off topic)

2007-08-15 Thread Paula Minor
alance things out. We do not like rationing and we will fight rationing at every turn. My wife's grandmother died of an aortic aneurysm. Diagnosed, but not treated, she was over 80. My grandmother died due to a failed hip operation, her third in two months and she was over 90! OK which

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-15 Thread Paula Minor
I am not sure. When you talk about rationing it sounds like a bad thing. But in terms of dollars and cents the Canadian System has to make sure that the tax money is well spent. In the US the private sector has a lot of rationing by the insurance companies. And then

Re: [CGUYS] Laptops and current TSA procedures

2007-08-15 Thread Paula Minor
cent inquiries both personal and on line have failed to uncover any knowledge of being asked to do this in recent times. Does anybody have any experience with this? I travel relatively seldom, and almost never with a laptop. Thanks! I fly only once or twice a year but always with a laptop

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Paula include Hospitals in that also. Does anyone remember the name Scrushy? Former CEO of Healthsouth one of the bigger players in for profit healthcare/hosptials. He is now in federal custody due to State Bribery charges but was acquitted of fraud with his own company for misstating

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location (off topic)

2007-08-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Paula I once heard it said that if we made Insurance mandatory and paid for every ones health insurance our premiums would actually go down due to less extraordinary procedures and other influences. It is possible to cover everyone for health insurance, we just have to change the way we

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-15 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
Paula, I am a psychiatrist and a psychoanalyst and I trained and worked in the USA for thirty years. I love this Country. I even became a citizen. But the insurance companies do ration in a perverse way. I even had a web page to protest against them:

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location (off topic)

2007-08-15 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
Stewart, something like Medicare (US) for all?... Marcio At 23:00 15/8/2007, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Paula I once heard it said that if we made Insurance mandatory and paid for every ones health insurance our premiums would actually go down due to less extraordinary procedures and other

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location (off topic)

2007-08-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Can't answer that one Marcio. Not sure how it should be done. (I do know that Medicare has lengthened the life of our seniors and made it dramatically better than it once was.) Stewart At 09:19 PM 8/15/2007, you wrote: Stewart, something like Medicare (US) for all?... Marcio At 23:00