Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...

2009-12-09 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Does she have local backups? Oh, yes. She has all that deleted data. She is just quite annoyed about having to restore it on her Classmates site and does not understand why or how Classmates decided which of her images to retain

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse

2009-12-09 Thread Rob
What is a WFB? R On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 16:28 -0700, mike wrote: Um..yeah. Once again he's talking without looking. Technically a 'wfb' if you can find one, can run the magic mouse. Drivers are out there. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse

2009-12-09 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Windows Fan Bois Thank you, Mark Snyder IdM/Provisioning Identity Access Management 703.883-8365 -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:03 AM To:

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse

2009-12-09 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting Rob robfl...@ix.netcom.com: What is a WFB? Anybody that doesn't agree with Tom. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents. FF still seems a little sluggish at times, with IE being somewhat faster. Don't you have a router which provides you

Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:36 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, yes. She has all that deleted data. She is just quite annoyed about having to restore it on her Classmates site and does not understand why or how Classmates decided which of her images to retain and which to delete. I'll have to ask

Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...

2009-12-09 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:02 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Have you checked the service agreement? Some sites have free and pay plans with different limits. I dunno if she has taken a look at the service agreement or not. It may be one of those essentially indecipherable legalistic

[CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?

2009-12-09 Thread Fred Holmes
Anyone know of a PDF redaction utility that works? E.g., one chooses (selects) a rectangle to redact, and the execute command replaces all pixels in the rectangle with white, in all layers, and deletes any accompanying text data (i.e., that which provides text searchability / copyability)?

Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?

2009-12-09 Thread Allen Firstenberg
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:32 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Marcio wrote: Thanks to both of you, each one in his own way and sorry for the misunderstandings. But to this date I have this Google Blogg with a domain that is good until Feb 13 and I am not sure if

[CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not was: The Cloud stole her data...

2009-12-09 Thread Tony B
This is a very misleading subject line, as we have no evidence or indication that this data was stored in a cloud. Thus we also have no evidence it was a failure of cloud storage that caused information loss. I just worry a couple of the luddites on the list will actually reference this event in

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not was: The Cloud stole her data...

2009-12-09 Thread Stewart Marshall
It is in realty loosing your data to a data aggregator. Classmates.com gets data in from every classmate that registers and then aggregates that date for everyone to see. They are a for profit company wanting you to register and pay them money for all this stuff to be seen. The cloud is

Re: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?

2009-12-09 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
I have not found one, per se. What I do is redact using Adobe and then print (not save as) to PDF, which then makes the PDF as redacted. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:06 PM, mike wrote: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/11/14588/ Looks good. Oh joy! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map,

Re: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: Anyone know of a PDF redaction utility that works? E.g., one chooses (selects) a rectangle to redact, and the execute command replaces all pixels in the rectangle with white, in all layers, and deletes any accompanying text data (i.e., that

Re: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: I have not found one, per se. What I do is redact using Adobe and then print (not save as) to PDF, which then makes the PDF as redacted. Details here... http://blogs.adobe.com/acrolaw/2006/10/acrobat_8_new_f_1.html Acrobat 8

Re: [CGUYS] The reason for all the agita (Was: Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of 2.5 drives. . .)

2009-12-09 Thread katan
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:06:37 -0500, Tony B wrote: If you don't use add-ons, what's the point of using Firefox? You may Umm. Because? -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not was: The Cloud stole her data...

2009-12-09 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: This is a very misleading subject line, as we have no evidence or indication that this data was stored in a cloud. Thus we also have no evidence it was a failure of cloud storage that caused information loss. I just worry a

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!

2009-12-09 Thread mike
Some like to run outgoing firewalls to be...extra careful. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:05 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents.

Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse

2009-12-09 Thread mike
That is more accurate since Tom has called known mac users 'WFBs'. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting Rob robfl...@ix.netcom.com: What is a WFB? Anybody that doesn't agree with Tom.

Re: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?

2009-12-09 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
My method takes much less time than that one. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization

[CGUYS] AT$T says it's customers need to be educated, stops short of opening re-education camps.

2009-12-09 Thread mike
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9CFS57G0show_article=1 We need to educate the customer ... We've got to get them to understand what represents a megabyte of data, de la Vega said. We're improving all our systems to let consumers get real-time information on their data usage. That's a

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!

2009-12-09 Thread db
Now try uninstalling FF and reinstall it and see if there is yet more improvement. db Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents. FF still seems a little sluggish at times, with IE being

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!

2009-12-09 Thread db
NAT SPI router's firewall's are not so very difficult to defeat and they functionally offer 0 protection the first time someone logs a laptop on to your router. (which of course no one thinks of at the moment they are logging on...) Good Security is provided by layers of protection so that

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread Tony B
No. You have misinterpreted my point completely. I am unfamiliar with what was lost because as soon as I saw it was a question about classmates.com I knew I know nothing about them so I stopped reading. Would that more people on this list did the same! Anyway, after the thread got bumped for a

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
On Dec 9, 2009, at 2:25 PM, db wrote: Good Security is provided by layers of protection so that you don't have a single failure point. I'm so, so glad to be using a Mac. I actually have time to do productive work on my computer.

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, after the thread got bumped for a few days I just thought I would comment on the subject header, and point out that we really don't know if classmates.com *uses* cloud storage. Okay. However, Classmates.com, being

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread Stewart Marshall
In that it is a remote server administrated by someone other than you yes. Stewart At 01:50 PM 12/9/2009, you wrote: Okay. However, Classmates.com, being accessible by users only by way of the internet is, in fact, in and of the cloud, is it not? I stand ready to be corrected. Steve

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread Tony B
No, it most certainly is not. Thanks for helping to clarify. Word definitions change, but generally the cloud refers to a bunch of computers connected via network where your data is kept. It also implies that there's no way of finding a specific copy of your data on one hard drive; you really

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread Tony B
No, data on a remote server is definitely *not* in a cloud. I mean, my website is on a remote server which is on a shared host so I don't administer the server. But if I FTP a file to it, I haven't put the file in a cloud. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Stewart Marshall

Re: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?

2009-12-09 Thread Richard P.
From this morning's Washington Post article: officials said that the manual was posted online in a redacted form on a federal procurement Web site, but that the digital redactions were inadequate. They allowed computer users to recover blacked-out passages by copying and pasting them into a new

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread mike
Seems a distinction without a difference. Or at very list the splitting of very fine hairs. How is it your website is not in the cloud but gmail is? What is the difference? I can download an app that basically allows me to FTP files to my gmail account...when I run this app does that mean it is

[CGUYS] Waking from sleep

2009-12-09 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
I am seeing a relatively new Windows 7 ad that touts how quickly a computer can awaken from sleep mode under the new OS. In the ad, this awakening issue appears to be such a big deal that Toshiba, along with MS I suppose, flies a user all the way fprm the United States to Japan just to show her

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread Tony B
First, remember I pointed out I'm not completely sure if gmail via the web is cloud-stored or not. Certainly if you use POP with gmail it's not cloud. But now I think we're all on the same page. Your revised definition below is in line with my own. I could drive to my host and physically take the

Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep

2009-12-09 Thread mike
Sounds like more MS bad advertising ideas...make a problem that wasn't really a problem seem like it's been fixed. Who knows, the only time I've seen this issue is either when malware etc is on the machine or in network situations where the admin has written bad scripts that run on login.

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread mike
So your host will let you walk into their server room and physically remove the HD? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: First, remember I pointed out I'm not completely sure if gmail via the web is cloud-stored or not. Certainly if you use POP with gmail it's not

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
The cloud means you really don't know where it is. If your data is anywhere nebulous it is in the cloud. If you can't tell me where the drive is physically located- it is in the cloud. There is very little I could tell where the server is and I mostly don't care where it is. It doesn't matter

Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:35 PM, mike wrote: Sounds like more MS bad advertising ideas...make a problem that wasn't really a problem seem like it's been fixed. Some companies will say absolutely anything to get the rubes to part with their dollars.

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread Tony B
I suppose, if I paid them enough. It's certainly *possible*, if somewhat unlikely. Unlike driving over to Carbonite and trying to take a hard drive with your backup on it. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:36 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: So your host will let you walk into their server room and

Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep

2009-12-09 Thread mike
Yeah this one is really odd. The ad campaign with the guy talking about running 7 on his laptop and his home computer and his kids laptop and they all share the media together without any problems is far better. This one, is just weird. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:47 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:40 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: The cloud means you really don't know where it is.  If your data is anywhere nebulous it is in the cloud.   If you can't tell me where the drive is physically located- it is in the cloud.  There is very little I

Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

2009-12-09 Thread Paul Meyer
How can FireWire be superior to eSata? I thought eSata made your external essentially the same as one installed inside the case. - Original Message From: Reid Katan ka...@his.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 1:12:35 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [portable]

Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Paul Meyer wrote: How can FireWire be superior to eSata? I thought eSata made your external essentially the same as one installed inside the case. SATA, eSATA, PATA, USB all depend on the constant attention of the CPU for their operation. With SCSI and FireWire

Re: [CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apple's Secret Wea pon?

2009-12-09 Thread Paul Meyer
I bought Cyberpower a number of years ago and am gratified to hear they are still in business. I once bought a Mac mini and though it is a nice little machine, I did resent the hard sell to sign up for Apple support plan (I don't consider that an anectdote because it undoubtedly reflects a

[CGUYS] Android feedback

2009-12-09 Thread Paul Meyer
Recently got a G1 and returned it for a Cliq (much more usable with navigation keys and a better keyboard). How are people feeling about their android phones? I really am glad I have an alternative to the touch screen and the apps have been really cool so far. Is that what iPhone people feel?

Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback

2009-12-09 Thread mike
I've had no regrets with my android phone, got the hero, no keyboard and it's great. I've not been wanting for apps in the least, everything I've gone looking for, I've found. There are a couple things missing like a good sync app for it, but the phone will mount as a drive and any music and

Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

2009-12-09 Thread mike
One more example of Tom, being...Tom. It also depends on the quality of the controller, you can get cheap esata controllers that are slower, or good ones that blaze. Has nothing to do with apple or pc. Different interfaces for different jobs. Note that Apple and PC's both use USB, SATA..FW. On

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!

2009-12-09 Thread Ranbo
No, don't have a router and am only user on this computer. So no need for any firewall? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better -

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-12-09 Thread Paul Meyer
Tom, Pardon the ignorant question, is there a direct channel from the controller to the hard drive? Otherwise, you bottlenecks somewhere in the pipe? -PJM - Original Message From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 9:32:20 AM Subject:

[CGUYS] Implementation Note On RAID

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
Not that I'm encouraging anyone to use RAID -- I think it is an obsolete technology -- but if you insist, you should know this... Detailed info from Western Digital on the difference between their consumer/desktop hard drives and enterprise drives commonly used in RAID applications...

Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:51 PM, mike wrote: Note that Apple and PC's both use USB, SATA..FW. Yes, even Apple can't resist the industry's race to the bottom. That does not mean that those of us who can tell the difference have to like it.

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Ranbo wrote: No, don't have a router and am only user on this computer. So no need for any firewall? You probably do have a router. The box between your computer and the outside is probably a router.

Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Paul Meyer wrote: Pardon the ignorant question, is there a direct channel from the controller to the hard drive? Otherwise, you bottlenecks somewhere in the pipe? That would be an incorrect assumption. The FireWire controller usually talks to a SATA or PATA

Re: [CGUYS] Implementation Note On RAID

2009-12-09 Thread tjpa
Another post from a month ago that just arrived in my in box. Crap! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!

2009-12-09 Thread db
In my opinion it is a bad idea to be without a software firewall on your computer. The possibilities of a successful exploit and the cost of recovery are too great. Fly without that net if you want... but don't complain if you hit the ground hard... db db Ranbo wrote: No, don't have a

Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback

2009-12-09 Thread rleesimon
OK ...I just went through this. I looked at the Droid and brethren but settled on the Motorola Surf a3100 windows mobile 6.1 with a slick overlay with all those carousel features, etc. The app supply seems endless. It won my heart cuz it has not only quad 2g but triband 3g (850,1900,2100) which

Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives

2009-12-09 Thread mike
Those of us who can tell the difference, use them for what they are intended. Other just complain as you do and act as if it matters. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:14 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:51 PM, mike wrote: Note that Apple and PC's both use USB, SATA..FW. Yes,

Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep

2009-12-09 Thread db
7 may wake quickly from sleep but I hear that in practical use it is even slower than Vista to boot... which because of battery life is what you will be facing regularly with a laptop. db mike wrote: Yeah this one is really odd. The ad campaign with the guy talking about running 7 on his

Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback

2009-12-09 Thread Robert L Simon
so far so good with software for it ...speed is fantastic ...motorola overlay makes it great as the homescreen has a carousel that access everything ...I'm hooked!! I have had windowsCE devices for years (ipaq 3635, mobilepro770) and a palmIIIc which made me realize palm OS is a joke ...I love

Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback

2009-12-09 Thread Robert L Simon
so far all is good, except vendor failed to give the 2gb microSDhc card which came with software, but on a website I found the installer it had and put it on ...included motonav but I am having trouble getting destinator maps recognized on it even using the patcher...gps works fine with

Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not

2009-12-09 Thread Allen Firstenberg
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Word definitions change, but generally the cloud refers to a bunch of computers connected via network where your data is kept. It also implies that there's no way of finding a specific copy of your data on one hard drive; you

Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback

2009-12-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The android is a both and phone including a full keypad. The Eris is a touch only. Those that have the Droid like it so far. Stewart At 06:44 PM 12/9/2009, you wrote: Recently got a G1 and returned it for a Cliq (much more usable with navigation keys and a better keyboard). How are people

Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!

2009-12-09 Thread db
Yes, Apple's OS is solidly more productive in almost every way except its Finder/ Dock multitasking interface. It was revolutionary in the 80's... in the 21st century it's mediocre when compared to Windows/ Linux's windows functionality/ taskbar design. Work efficiency on an Apple decreases

Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep

2009-12-09 Thread Tony B
I'm not sure who you heard this from but it is not true. But then, Vista isn't slow to boot, so clearly this source is suspect. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: 7 may wake quickly from sleep but I hear that in practical use it is even slower than Vista to boot...

Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep

2009-12-09 Thread mike
Part of the problem is how MS approaches touting the features. Part of it is haters who see 'windows 7 boots faster than vista' as not that 7 is faster but that vista is crap. Shockingly they don't look at Apple's advertising the same way, some will never satisfy, better to just ignore them, nod