Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-05 Thread Art Clemons
On 03/04/2010 07:14 PM, Tony B wrote: The question is: Why don't *you* consider yourself paranoid? Or are you actually doing something in front of the camera that's even remotely interesting? And why void a warranty when a little piece of tape will work? Or are you concerned there's a way to

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-05 Thread Art Clemons
On 03/04/2010 08:03 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: If I were those worried parents, I would start a movement to prevent the school from using any taxpayer money to defend themselves. That is the rip-off, not the class action lawsuit. What you're suggesting is not legally possible. If an entity or

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-05 Thread Art Clemons
On 03/04/2010 06:53 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Eh, the school board never told the parents about any strings attached. The school system never revealed the fact that those cameras would or could be activated remotely. This fact has been verified by the school system, but they have yet

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-05 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Art Clemons artclem...@aol.com wrote: Once again, we aren't sure what really happened.  We also know that the District claims that only laptops reported missing or stolen were activated ala the claims in the following URL:

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX Help -- Command Line Stuff

2010-03-05 Thread John Emmerling
Some of this syntax is peculiar to the find command. Here is a good intro: http://www.athabascau.ca/html/depts/compserv/webunit/HOWTO/find.htm As far as how the -mtime option is used, I believe you are correct. Whoever gave you this advice was probably short at least 12 oz. of dark roast

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-05 Thread John Settle
On 3/4/2010 10:05 AM, Tony B wrote I'm with the parents. You can't accept a free tool and then sue because it came with strings attached. Sir, The tool in question was forced upon the students. The tool was required for courses, had to use the school board supplied tool and only that

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-05 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Art Clemons artclem...@aol.com wrote: I also note that the folks making the claim that the district should not be sued likely would not quite feel that way if their darlings were involved. The thing is, some of their little darlings may have been involved,

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-05 Thread mike
The average net worth of Senators is about 9 million, not exactly average joes. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:27 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Mar 4, 2010, at 7:16 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Yeah you really have to wonder why someone would blow 5 million $ running for an office

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-05 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
You mean the millionaires club? Senators have never been average and it is similar to the house of Lords in England. Titled individuals. Stewart At 08:15 AM 3/5/2010, you wrote: The average net worth of Senators is about 9 million, not exactly average joes. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:27

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread tjpa
On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: You said you were cheap (and did not tell us what you want to use the computer for), so that should be fine. A netbook would be even cheaper. Often people tell me they need a laptop, only to later discover that it is so much less

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Michael S. Altus
I chose Toshiba because it had the delete key on the lower part of the keyboard, unlike other brands, which have the delete key on the upper right. Now I understand that Toshiba has exiled the delete key to the upper right. Anybody know of a laptop brand with the delete key down under? (While

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread mike
We bought a laptop for my wife to do her school work, the idea being to get rid of a desk in our home and make some more room. After about 8 months she just decided she wanted her desk back because while the laptop was full size (numeric keypad etc) it was just not right for lots of home use. I

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Steve at Verizon
I'm sure you and many readers here know about this, but most model laptops can plug in to a docking station, so that you can easily use a larger monitor and full keyboard and mouse of choice. Also externally attached HDs. mike wrote: We bought a laptop for my wife to do her school work, the

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread mike
Or..don't buy one of the big dells... On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:38 AM, betty b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Dell notebooks are heavy and clunky, but not too bad. Toshiba makes excellent notebooks. If I were buying a Dell, I'd get the new Alien notebook. Alien finally has a smaller, still powerful

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread mike
That came up in our discussion on what we would do about her laptop. The cost of just building a solid system, I already had the case/keyboard/mouse/hard drives, and getting some kind of dock was not much different. Decided on the little tower instead. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Steve at

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
Netbooks do not have full keyboards. I ONLY use laptops with full keyboards (I do use a netbook for meetings; the battery lasts about 8.6 h)- and have been doing so for almost a decade. I am an engineer/accountant/medical professional with dire need of numeric keys, symbol keys, foreign

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Check out Circuit City on line I just saw a couple of Gateways on sale. (They are a part of Tiger Direct be prepared to be bombarded with extended warranties) Also Geeks or Newegg. Stewart At 08:42 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote: You forgot to tell us what you want to do. A netbook is great for

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I bought one of the Compaqs from Walmart this summer and it had a full keyboard including a 10 key. I have only seen these on some 17 before not a 15.4. Stewart At 09:45 AM 3/5/2010, you wrote: Netbooks do not have full keyboards. I ONLY use laptops with full keyboards (I do use a netbook

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-05 Thread rleesimon
It's dirt simple. The right to privacy in the home was breached. Looking at children via webcam or otherwise in a state of undress or susceptible to be so is illegal. They did it and the fact one student was sanctioned for having misbehaved on camera proves that. The thing has devolved into a

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread rleesimon
I faced this dilemma in late 2004 when my trusty win95 Toshiba laptop which I loved was too skimpy on max 20mb memory to go forth (that laptop had a scsi port on the back, very forward looking for the day, allowing me to attach an external zip drive that gave me lots of storage...I can still see

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Steve at Verizon
It seems you found the best solution for your needs. But some folks like to use the same machine, for both home use and travel. With speeds, memory sizes and HD sizes on laptops these days, they rival what desktops had just a few years ago. mike wrote: That came up in our discussion on what

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Stewart Marshall
I have three machines that I actively use. I have a desktop at home. Built out the way I like it. 1.25 TB hard drive, Dual core, DBD burner, DVD Rom, Firewire etc. Nice case, it is a powerhouse for me. I have a work laptop. (Provided by me) it is a dockable Dell Latitude AMD dual core

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Stewart Marshall
My wife likes her laptop as she can take it on trips and do her thing, and I like cause she does not ask to use my laptop while we travel. Stewart At 11:16 AM 3/5/2010, you wrote: Right, I understand that. She only used the laptop because she could use it at the kitchen table and put it

Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

2010-03-05 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Apple is cleaning out Apps that provide little or no functionality (their words, including an app that makes the iPhone quack like a duck, make fart sounds and so on. So, I'd be one peeved developer if I saw my fart App removed! Not sure why you say it is for no reason. They have so many apps,

Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

2010-03-05 Thread tjpa
On Mar 5, 2010, at 11:39 AM, mike wrote: *Apple removed several Wi-Fi apps commonly referred to as stumblers, or apps that seek out available Wi-Fi networks near your location... If I was a developer I'd think twice about the environment Apple is creating. Removed for good reason. Nor did

Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]

2010-03-05 Thread tjpa
On Mar 5, 2010, at 9:15 AM, mike wrote: The average net worth of Senators is about 9 million, not exactly average joes. But the more significant median is about $890,000 (for Senators and Reps in 2008). Anyone who owns a house in the metro DC area is probably worth more than that. So at

Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

2010-03-05 Thread mike
You remind me of Adam Sandler in the water boy. Maybe Apple could not approve apps if they seemingly violate some hidden law? Apple knew what this app did when they approved it, they can keep playing games with developers and users, but eventually I would think all but the die hard MFB's like

Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

2010-03-05 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Apple also just revamped its Mac developer program, modeling it on the iPhone developer program, cutting the cost from $500/year to $99/year. I don't think Apple has alienated many developers, Mike! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Mar 5, 2010, at 11:39 AM, mike wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX Help -- Command Line Stuff

2010-03-05 Thread Michael Fernando
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, t.piwowar wrote: The following was suggested to me for a cron job to delete old emails from a spam folder. I don't completely understand the syntax at the end of the line. find /home/user/mail/domain/email/.spam -type f +mtime 30 -exec rm -f '{}' \; should not +mtime

Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

2010-03-05 Thread tjpa
On Mar 5, 2010, at 2:08 PM, mike wrote: Maybe Apple could not approve apps if they seemingly violate some hidden law? Apple knew what this app did when they approved it, they can keep playing games with developers and users, but eventually I would think all but the die hard MFB's like

Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason

2010-03-05 Thread mike
So now you are saying they OK'd apps, then months later decided they were 'buggy and infested'...where are you getting this? I'll get rid of my Apple stuff right away since you say Apple is buggy and infested...good tip! On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:30 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Mar 5,

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX Help -- Command Line Stuff

2010-03-05 Thread tjpa
On Mar 5, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Michael Fernando wrote: However, this is a dangerous command. Run the following first to see what it does. If you like the output, run it with 'rm -f' instead of 'ls -l' Good advice that is. Thanks JE and MF. I feel in control now.

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Robert Carroll
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I have had good luck with Dell laptops. But I stick with the Vostro or Latitude series. Had an Compaq this summer. Not bad. Stewart Am I correct in thinking that these Dell series are no longer being made? The Dell website shows Inspiron, Studio, Studio XPS,

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Robert Carroll
Please advise: what is too cheap? Is the Dell Inspiron priced at $659 too cheap? Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: You said you were cheap (and did not tell us what you want to use the computer for), so that should be fine. A netbook would be even cheaper. Don't be so cheap, though, that you

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Robert Carroll
betty wrote: Dell notebooks are heavy and clunky, but not too bad. Toshiba makes excellent notebooks. If I were buying a Dell, I'd get the new Alien notebook. Alien finally has a smaller, still powerful notebook for a reasonable price. Apple also makes excellent PC notebooks, in case you

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Vostro and Latitude are considered business laptops and are under the small business section. Stewart At 04:18 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I have had good luck with Dell laptops. But I stick with the Vostro or Latitude series. Had an Compaq this summer. Not bad.

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I am not sure but I think he considers any Windows machine cheap as it is not a Mac. I do not want to assume anything though. Stewart At 04:22 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote: Please advise: what is too cheap? Is the Dell Inspiron priced at $659 too cheap? Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: You

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread mike
I'd really advise you get hands on with a laptop before you purchase, one mans cheap is another mans bargain. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.comwrote: Please advise: what is too cheap? Is the Dell Inspiron priced at $659 too cheap? Snyder, Mark - IdM

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread mike
Alienware is Dell's gaming line. Yer gonna pay for it. You could also check with cyberpower, they have their own line of laptops and seem to get good reviews, their prices are reasonable. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.comwrote: betty wrote: Dell

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The Alienware computers are considered top of the line gaming laptops. The Inspiron is the entry level consumer laptop. Next comes their Studio line and at the top is the Alienware (who they bought by the way.) In the business end is the Vostro and the Latitude. Stewart At 04:27 PM

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread mike
Adamo is the top business class I suppose... On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: The Alienware computers are considered top of the line gaming laptops. The Inspiron is the entry level consumer laptop. Next comes their Studio line and at the

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yup. Is it out now? I don't keep track as it is way out of my price range. Stewart At 04:58 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote: Adamo is the top business class I suppose... On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: The Alienware computers are considered top

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread mike
Out long enough to drop in price actually. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Yup. Is it out now? I don't keep track as it is way out of my price range. Stewart At 04:58 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote: Adamo is the top business class I

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It was supposed to be their slimmer, sleeker business line. Like I said not really interested as it is way out of my price range. Stewart At 05:28 PM 3/5/2010, you wrote: Out long enough to drop in price actually. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread tjpa
On Mar 5, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: I looked at the Alienware laptops on the Dell site and they are as expensive as the Mac. Cheapest is $1200 going up to $1800. Where do you get that? Apple laptops start at $999. Pro line starts at $1199. I see Windows laptops going for

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread mike
Alienware starts at 800...goes up from there. Like most things, that 1200 dollar 'pro' macbook is quite paltry. 1200 for Alienware gets you quite a bit more hardware. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:26 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Mar 5, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: I looked at the

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread mike
Not to mention doubling your ram costs double for Apple than for the Alienware laptop. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:53 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Alienware starts at 800...goes up from there. Like most things, that 1200 dollar 'pro' macbook is quite paltry. 1200 for Alienware gets you

Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for laptop computer advice sought

2010-03-05 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The base alienware is a great game machine. They were known for some really awesome gaming machines a number of years ago. One of the reasons Dell bought them. TO get its foot into the gaming machine end. Of course true gamers still build their own. My son was looking at Alienware machines

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-05 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Art Clemons artclem...@aol.com wrote: Once again, we aren't sure what really happened.  We also know that the District claims that only laptops reported missing or stolen were activated ala the claims in the following URL:

Re: [CGUYS] UNIX Help -- Command Line Stuff

2010-03-05 Thread Michael Fernando
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, t.piwowar wrote: The following was suggested to me for a cron job to delete old emails from a spam folder. I don't completely understand the syntax at the end of the line. find /home/user/mail/domain/email/.spam -type f +mtime 30 -exec rm -f '{}' \; should not +mtime

Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal

2010-03-05 Thread John Settle
On 3/4/2010 10:05 AM, Tony B wrote: That's a bit of a reach considering these were free laptops handed out with specific instructions leading one to know the cams could be used at any time. I don't recall anything like that happening during Jim Crow. You can't accept a free tool and then sue