Re: [CGUYS] The kin is dead...long live Windows phone (ms hopes)

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:09 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > It was also trapped between major phone OS releases.  It was the last gasp > of system 6 at 6.5 and too close to the release of 7.  It was sort of a > missing link phone. Missing link. Ouch! That hurts. Steve **

Re: [CGUYS] The kin is dead...long live Windows phone (ms hopes)

2010-06-30 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:37 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:38 PM, mike wrote: > > > MS already killed the kin, barely out a week? Did the iPhone sales scare > > them off their little dangeresque device? It was clearly priced way too > > high for the target market.

Re: [CGUYS] Lawsuit: Dell knowingly shipped 12 million faulty computers

2010-06-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yeah a 155 not a 105. Stewart At 09:01 PM 6/30/2010, you wrote: I liked the fact that they sent a batch of the bad computers to their own lawyers and refused to make good on the faulty equipment. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot with a howitzer. On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Stewa

Re: [CGUYS] Lawsuit: Dell knowingly shipped 12 million faulty computers

2010-06-30 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I liked the fact that they sent a batch of the bad computers to their own lawyers and refused to make good on the faulty equipment. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot with a howitzer. On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > It also mention

Re: [CGUYS] iPhone 4, Engineering thoughts

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:54 PM, mike wrote: > > *"It comes with a double antenna design. The kind that allows you to hold > the phone any way you like and use it just about anywhere to make crystal > clear calls."* "Crystal clear" calls? I have not as yet heard a "crystal clear" call on any d

[CGUYS] iPad and iPhone video training from Sporty's

2010-06-30 Thread Ken
Sporty's Pilot shop is advertising aviation training courses for iPad, iPhone, and Android. So they are used for something more than locating a good meal. Ken I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one. *** ** THI

Re: [CGUYS] iPhone 4, Engineering thoughts

2010-06-30 Thread mike
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/droid-x-ad-pokes-fun-at-iphone-4-antenna-troubles/ Now Moto is going after Apple... *"It comes with a double antenna design. The kind that allows you to hold the phone any way you like and use it just about anywhere to make crystal clear calls."* On Tue, Jun 29

Re: [CGUYS] The kin is dead...long live Windows phone (ms hopes)

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 5:38 PM, mike wrote: > MS already killed the kin, barely out a week?  Did the iPhone sales scare > them off their little dangeresque device?  It was clearly priced way too > high for the target market.  Can this bode well for Windows phone? Looks to me as if MS was goin

[CGUYS] The kin is dead...long live Windows phone (ms hopes)

2010-06-30 Thread mike
MS already killed the kin, barely out a week? Did the iPhone sales scare them off their little dangeresque device? It was clearly priced way too high for the target market. Can this bode well for Windows phone? On Jun 30, 2010 12:42 PM, "mike" wrote: News meaning *another* rumor. On Wed, J

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread mike
News meaning *another* rumor. On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:38 PM, tjpa wrote: > Now that the news is out about Verizon we can hopefully see a price war. > > > On Jun 30, 2010, at 2:31 PM, mike wrote: > >> While my friends iPhone was killer, he cringed a little when I told him I >> get more >> minu

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread tjpa
Now that the news is out about Verizon we can hopefully see a price war. On Jun 30, 2010, at 2:31 PM, mike wrote: While my friends iPhone was killer, he cringed a little when I told him I get more minutes, more texts and more data for 40 dollars less a month. ***

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread mike
Location services are getting huge, even in small use spaces. Using our phones when I was at the mall to pick up that iPhone 4, we used different location services offered by our phones to test how accurate they could be, instead of calling and asking 'hey where are you? I'm in front of the Cinna

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM, tjpa wrote: > I guess some folks would just rather wallow in misery. > > You may go ahead an buy the sad-sack phone. The one with no ringer because > nobody ever calls you and no keyboard because you have nobody to write to. My cell phone ringer rarely sounds b

Re: [CGUYS] Just How Bad is Google's Mismanagement of the Android Market?

2010-06-30 Thread David K Watson
For any app store purchase, including purchases from inside an app, you have to enter in your password the first time you make a purchase, but your password activation only remains good for a little while afterwards, and in particular will expire after the idevice goes to sleep. So Thurrott an

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread Stewart Marshall
That is pretty much the mantra of advertising until it comes to Politics and there we get nothing but the ugly. Stewart At 12:01 PM 6/30/2010, you wrote: Well put. Conspicuous and consumptive consumerism is most definitely a key component of almost all advertising for cell phones, smart

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread tjpa
On Jun 30, 2010, at 1:01 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: But, hey, it's marketing at its best...or worst. I guess some folks would just rather wallow in misery. You may go ahead an buy the sad-sack phone. The one with no ringer because nobody ever calls you and no keyboard because you have no

Re: [CGUYS] Apple’s iPad: Death knell for tra diti onal Macintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread Constance Warner
You make my point exactly. There is a power imbalance here, and something needs to be done about it. What to do--I don't know. I'm not a programmer, an employer, or a union organizer. The one good thing is, you probably won't have to face a line of Pinkertons with shotguns. I wish your

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread tjpa
You are putting a negative spin on it. Geolocation is hot and has many applications. Telling someone that they will never be lost or bewildered in an unfamiliar neighborhood is a fantastic selling point. It is a very positive benefit. I have read several stories about people using their sma

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Constance Warner wrote: > But much of the marketing for smartphones concerns just such convenience > issues as picking a restaurant (or a store, or some other way of consuming); > so this isn't my idea.   In nearly all the commercials I've seen, > convenience and

Re: [CGUYS] Apple’s iPad: Death knell for tra diti onal Macintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:14 AM, tjpa wrote: > Apple should do their own version of M$ Laptop Hunters TV ad. This time > Loren walks out with an iPad, plus gets to keep $400 in cash. The iPad would have probably been all she needed and was looking for in the first place. Steve **

Re: [CGUYS] Just How Bad is Google's Mismanagement of the Android Market?

2010-06-30 Thread tjpa
Yes it is there. The default is no controls (as it should be). I tried the Tap Fish app. There are better and free aquariums available. Buying additional items takes you to the Apps Store and a password prompt. The problem may be that once the store password is entered, it does not have to

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread Constance Warner
But much of the marketing for smartphones concerns just such convenience issues as picking a restaurant (or a store, or some other way of consuming); so this isn't my idea. In nearly all the commercials I've seen, convenience and consumption are the main selling points of smartphones and

Re: [CGUYS] Apple’s iPad: Death knell for tra diti onal Macintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread tjpa
Apple should do their own version of M$ Laptop Hunters TV ad. This time Loren walks out with an iPad, plus gets to keep $400 in cash. On Jun 30, 2010, at 10:31 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I feel you are correct on all points. What matters in this regard is that the huge bulk of computer u

Re: [CGUYS] Apple’s iPad: Death knell for tra diti onal Macintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Constance Warner wrote: > Maybe it's time for programmers to get concerned about politics and > economics--even, dare I say it, unions.  (It won't be easy, but they > probably won't send the Pinkertons with shotguns against you, the way they > did to workers in t

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread tjpa
You are mixing up your own finances with the objective value of a new technology. I would gladly trade a few meals at an Georgetown Italian restaurant to pay for my iPad. And I use it for much more serious purposes than picking a restaurant. On Jun 30, 2010, at 2:38 AM, Constance Warner wro

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread tjpa
Maybe it is a cost-plus contract? On Jun 30, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Having to flip back & forth while coding is distracting & terribly inefficient. In the long run, this company would probably save money with bigger/multiple screens. ***

Re: [CGUYS] Lawsuit: Dell knowingly shipped 12 million faulty computers

2010-06-30 Thread Stewart Marshall
It also mentioned that Dell was not the only company hit by these bad capacitors, but also HP and Apple. Seems Dell made the mistake of trying to cover it up. Remember it is not the 2 bit problem that sinks you but the 4 star cover up. (rephrasing words spoken about Nixon) Stewart At 09:

[CGUYS] Lawsuit: Dell knowingly shipped 12 million faulty computers

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
Capacitor leaks are serious business. When a capacitor blows out, not only does the device in question die an instant death, it might even catch fire.  So when the New York Times reports on freshly unsealed documents from a lawsuit alleging that Dell, over the course of two years, sold almost 12 m

Re: [CGUYS] Apple’s iPad: Death knell for tra diti onal Macintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread Constance Warner
Well, maybe the young woman crossing the street while staring at her smartphone is trying to earn her Darwin Award. She does represent the market Apple and other smartphone purveyors are targeting: young, hip, earning decent money, and not concerned yet about saving for retirement. She's

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread tjpa
I keep getting faster with the iPad's virtual keyboard. I have noticed that it is far better than the one on the iPhone. Whenever I run an iPhone app on my iPad (even at the 2x setting) I see that the iPhone's keyboard is too small and has an awkward arrangement of keys. The iPad's keyboard

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I don't think it is that easy to make that judgement. Just 10 years ago the 17" CRT monitor was considered a luxury. In those days all coders and programmers sufficed on 15 monitors that had flicker problems and such. The 15" laptop (really 15.4) is actually a little larger than the monitors

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, tjpa wrote: > I think you are missing one aspect: Windows PCs will be disappearing at a > more rapid rate than Macs. The majority of Windows PCs are used for > low-level tasks that are better served by something in the iPad category. Agreed. > Also noteworth

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Constance Warner wrote: > Well, a fifteen-inch laptop is still a far cry from an iPad--let alone an > orignal Mac (or an Osborn).  I'm sorry your brother and his co-workers have > to use a 15-inch laptop to code on all day; but here, we're getting into the > issu

Re: [CGUYS] Apple’s iPad: Death knell for tra diti onal Macintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:54 AM, tjpa wrote: > For creatives the need for a real computer remains. Getting an iPad does not > cause me to no longer need my desktop. I use the desktop computer for what > it does best and the iPad for what it does best. I won't give up the > desktop. I just don't w

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:37 AM, mike wrote: > I hear some developers on various podcasts who have outfitted their cubicles > with dual or even triple 21 to 27" screens, this seems the ideal set up for > this kind of all day long pounding at the keyboard for intense work...15 > inch laptop for wr

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread tjpa
I think you are missing one aspect: Windows PCs will be disappearing at a more rapid rate than Macs. The majority of Windows PCs are used for low-level tasks that are better served by something in the iPad category. Also noteworthy is that M$ was again caught flat footed. They do not have

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread Constance Warner
Well, a fifteen-inch laptop is still a far cry from an iPad--let alone an orignal Mac (or an Osborn). I'm sorry your brother and his co-workers have to use a 15-inch laptop to code on all day; but here, we're getting into the issue of workers versus corporations, rather than consumer choic

Re: [CGUYS] Apple’s iPad: Death knell for tra ditional Macintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread tjpa
You will be better served by reading those commentators who are insightful enough to recognize that the iPad is a new category. We now need to identify the computer users who fit into that new category. For creatives the need for a real computer remains. Getting an iPad does not cause me to

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread Chris Dunford
> 15 inch laptop for writing code? Torture. It's not just torture, it's inefficient, expensive torture. Developers are *constantly* referring to documentation, code samples, bits of other projects, and a million other things. Having to flip back & forth while coding is distracting & terribly in

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread mike
I hear some developers on various podcasts who have outfitted their cubicles with dual or even triple 21 to 27" screens, this seems the ideal set up for this kind of all day long pounding at the keyboard for intense work...15 inch laptop for writing code? Torture. On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:09 AM,

Re: [CGUYS] Apple's iPad: Death knell for traditional Ma cintos h computers?

2010-06-30 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Constance Warner wrote: > At the present day, I just don't see itty-bitty machines with itty-bitty > screens taking the place of laptops or desktops for serious work, either in > the home or the office. My brother works for a large, worldwide IT firm that does

Re: [CGUYS] Just How Bad is Google's Mismanagement of the Android Market?

2010-06-30 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:36 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > > Tap Fish found a way around this limitation on the touch. Apple knows it. > Apple refunded the $900 fish bill without much of a fight. Thurrott got > satisfaction rather quickly from Apple. He had to call on a iPad Touch that > was un

Re: [CGUYS] Just How Bad is Google's Mismanagement of the Android Market?

2010-06-30 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Tap Fish found a way around this limitation on the touch. Apple knows it. Apple refunded the $900 fish bill without much of a fight. Thurrott got satisfaction rather quickly from Apple. He had to call on a iPad Touch that was under warranty to have someone to complain to since the App store does