That is the reason to ONLY run windows software in Parallels. You
make a clean install once set it up the way you want. Save that file
as master. Copy the file master file. Now run the copy until it gets
wonky and toss it. Copy the master file again and start over. No
prolonged reinstall.
That is the reason to ONLY run windows software in Parallels. You
make a clean install once set it up the way you want. Save that file
as master. Copy the file master file. Now run the copy until it gets
wonky and toss it. Copy the master file again and start over. No
prolonged reinstall.
FYI, the IEEE requires me to assign anything that I publish in their
journals (for me, a lot) to them or I don't get published in their journals.
And it makes sense that IEEE does. IEEE's goal is to distribute what you
write via a variety of means (using known and as yet unknown
technologies)
Didn't happen for macworld. No self destruct or MS-SS showing up in black
boots and batons. And they alerted the entire world via internet and print
they had violated the EULA. At worst, I think the software will install
fine, run great and get infected via web pages like many windows
On reflection, the proper way to think of the EULA might be this: You, the
consumer, have purchased this software and we, the provider, will support
you in your use of it, provided you agree to the following terms. If you
don't agree, we're not a party to it, we're not liable for anything that
Now I am not completely familiar with contracts such as these, but I
am pretty sure the narrowly written contracts were the result of
legal advice companies got when they had to battle former employees
who took or attempted to patent items that were developed for
companies on company time and
If we all avoided software from convicted predatory monopolists it
would only take a few years for things
to get better. With competition and alternatives you would probably
not
be facing an EULA that you find so objectionable. Yes you have a
problem.
You should work to solve that problem.
How is this even possible? Talking about installing a program on a computer
has gone to talking about german resistance in WWII? In a few years are we
going to read the diary of a young girl who lived with her family in the
hidden basement of someone's home running vista home inside WINE in
Thank you all for a really interesting conversation here.
But I can't help mentioning that, with the lawyers in the justice
department and the judges in our courts packed with radical right wing
corporate ideologues, are the laws and the courts based on morality or
rational thought any more?
Except for all the radical left wing nutjob judges that pack our courts.
Not much rational thought either way.
Mike
On 6/1/07, Jordman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you all for a really interesting conversation here.
But I can't help mentioning that, with the lawyers in the justice
I will go one step farther.
The left is but a mirror image of the right!
Stewart
At 12:15 PM 6/1/2007, you wrote:
Except for all the radical left wing nutjob judges that pack our courts.
Not much rational thought either way.
Mike
On 6/1/07, Jordman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you all
If we want to do something about unfair practices in the computer
industry, we have to do something about the monopolistic
corporations. It matters how you vote, and what kind of leadership
we have in Washington.
Yes. People who don't vote because it doesn't matter. People who vote
for
Tom, I couldn't let this pass without comment:
Please demonstrate. Buy some software, retail package or download,
your choice. Start the installation. Decline the EULA. Return the
product and try to get your money back. Let us know how that goes.
This is a hot topic in the Linux community. Here
!?!? You're kidding, right?
Morality, ethics can be based on not wanting to hurt others,
or it can be based on the notion that non-complicance by
even a significant few can poison the well, so we should comply.
AFAI can tell, contract and civil law is neither but based on the idea that
I am reluctant to enter into this discussion, since I am conflicted
about the issues.
Were I 40 years younger, I would completely agree with Tom Piwowar that
we all need to be honest as well as obeying the law -- all the stuff
taught in Civics course in High School (never mind that my high
On 5/30/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Me, I would say that the store is being immoral. And the EULA wouldn't
hold
up in most courts of law. And I would say the moral stand is to serve
whatever food you buy from them to whomever you want.
So you are going to take the good old two
Tom, I couldn't let this pass without comment:
On 5/30/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Bill Gates once said If we tell them they have to put a ham sandwich
in every box, they have to put a ham sandwich in every box. Your
obligation is to read the EULA and according to the terms of
On 5/30/07, P Yasuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When our civilization falls, it won't be because Harvey violated
Microsoft's EULA.
Heck, I would argue that if everyone complied with Microsoft EULAs, then our
civilization would have already fallen.
(It is one of the sure signs of the
There are plenty of examples of contracts that we not able to
negotiate, that are still enforceable. Negotiation is not a legal
part of contract law. Did you enter into it with full knowledge is.
Stewart
Full knowledge of the EULA? Well, that's part of the point, isn't it?
Does ANYBODY know
Breaking a contract is a violation of civil law (perhaps) not criminal.
The distinction is huge and is practical. As a fairly idealistic and
even ideological person, this angst seems misplaced.
Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, my question is: What, precisely, are all the things
Given that EULA's aren't all that enforceable I'd say go ahead and try
to install it in parallels. If it works fine. If it doesn't work the
reason nobody wants to support it because you haven't paid enough
money. MS will always take your money for an upgrade later if you
really need support.
It'll work, there is nothing written into the code that keeps you from doing
it.
Mike
On 5/28/07, John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Given that EULA's aren't all that enforceable I'd say go ahead and try
to install it in parallels. If it works fine. If it doesn't work the
reason
EULA's get into contract law not criminal law.
What is a contract worth if you are not going to keep it. Or to echo
Tom's word, is it just a business decision.
Would you want to shop at a grocery store where they view contracts
as something only to be kept if it is to their advantage?
On 5/28/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
EULA's get into contract law not criminal law.
What is a contract worth if you are not going to keep it. Or to echo
Tom's word, is it just a business decision.
Except the legal issue resolves around whether a EULA is a valid
OK I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV nor did I stay in a
Holiday Inn Express last night.
The moment you click an EULA, it is a legally binding contract
between you and the producer of the product. Wether you like it or
not does not matter. I do not like them anymore than you do, but
Then take them to court I would be interested in the outcome.
Stewart
At 01:03 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:
On 5/28/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The moment you click an EULA, it is a legally binding contract
between you and the producer of the product. Wether you like it
Have there been cases where the software developer succeeded in suing
for EULA violations? State? Federal? Foreign?
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On 5/28/07, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then take them to court I would be interested in the outcome.
Actually, some people do that. As usual with the US legal system, the court
and lawyer costs are the biggest consideration.
There are plenty of similar precedents over
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Mark Snyder
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So, my question is: What, precisely, are all the things that could go
wrong, were I to violate the EULA?
Have we gotten to the point where every crime is just
On 5/25/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, my question is: What, precisely, are all the things that could go
wrong,
were I to violate the EULA?
Have we gotten to the point where every crime is just another a business
decision? If the benefit exceeds the fine or the probability of
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