Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-19 Thread Paul Meyer
well is efficiently run insurance programs. - Original Message From: rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:13:04 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Canada The model to follow is not Canada ...it's the Netherlands !! -Original Message

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-19 Thread Paul Meyer
don't think there is anyone smarter in the world about social and economic party than the Swedish Socialdemocratic Party) - Original Message From: b s-w [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:41:52 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Canada Creating

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-17 Thread Paul Meyer
: [CGUYS] Canada I am not sure. When you talk about rationing it sounds like a bad thing. But in terms of dollars and cents the Canadian System has to make sure that the tax money is well spent. In the US the private sector has a lot of rationing by the insurance companies

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-17 Thread b s-w
Creating a less expensive, probably single-payer, health care system that nearly everybody wants isn't socialism. It isn't welfare, since we will be paying for it, only we will pay significantly less than with the current for-profit system. It's smart fiscal policy when you can improve service

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-17 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
it is, it works. And it will. -Paul Meyer - Original Message From: Paula Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:39:25 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Canada I am not sure. When you talk about rationing it sounds like a bad thing

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-17 Thread Paula Minor
Whatever the form univeral access takes it will require the government restructuring of health care markets. This will be attacked as socialist (and already is) no matter what distinctions u.a. supporters will make. Those folks who fear creeping socialism will probably never support u.a.

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I shake my head in great wonderment when the Christian right advocates capitalism. They completely ignore the book of Acts which showed that early Christians practiced a form of socialism or communalism. Stewart At 03:53 PM 8/17/2007, you wrote: Sadly, I have to agree with you , Paul. Use

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-17 Thread rlsimon
The model to follow is not Canada ...it's the Netherlands !! -Original Message- From: b s-w [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Canada Creating a less expensive, probably single-payer, health care system that nearly everybody wants isn't

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-17 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Exactly!!! it is all driven by the end result!! Profit and giving top executives hefty pay checks. Stewart At 06:18 PM 8/17/2007, you wrote: But without the opportunity to fleece the sick and the aged how will the top executives be able to scrape up the dough to pay their $50,000,000

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-17 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
Yes, it is even better... Marcio At 09:13 PM 8/17/2007, rlsimon wrote: The model to follow is not Canada ...it's the Netherlands !! -Original Message- From: b s-w [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Re: Canada Creating a less expensive, probably

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-15 Thread Paul Meyer
All health care systems, including the US ration resources on some basis. The ironic thing about the health care debate focusing on Canada and Britain as alternative models is that we are familiar with them because of linguistic and cultural similarities but neither are particularly well funded

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-15 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
British and Canadian system are quite different. In the British the docs are employees of the system. In Canada they are not. Marcio At 03:05 AM 8/15/2007, Paul Meyer wrote: All health care systems, including the US ration resources on some basis. The ironic thing about the health care debate

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-15 Thread Paula Minor
I am not sure. When you talk about rationing it sounds like a bad thing. But in terms of dollars and cents the Canadian System has to make sure that the tax money is well spent. In the US the private sector has a lot of rationing by the insurance companies. And then

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-15 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Paula include Hospitals in that also. Does anyone remember the name Scrushy? Former CEO of Healthsouth one of the bigger players in for profit healthcare/hosptials. He is now in federal custody due to State Bribery charges but was acquitted of fraud with his own company for misstating

Re: [CGUYS] Canada

2007-08-15 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
Paula, I am a psychiatrist and a psychoanalyst and I trained and worked in the USA for thirty years. I love this Country. I even became a citizen. But the insurance companies do ration in a perverse way. I even had a web page to protest against them: