Re: [CGUYS] Slow Dell startup

2009-08-22 Thread John Settle
Fred Holmes wrote: drives could withstand a bit of vibration. Now I know better. Live and learn. Fred Holmes If getting to the HDD is any easier, you could look into getting some silicon washers and longer bolts and add a bit if vibration isolation to the drive. John S. -- --

[CGUYS] HDDs and vibrators was: Slow Dell startup

2009-08-22 Thread Tony B
I haven't been following this thread, but after seeing this post this morning I had to go back and look. And I just have to ask: How the heck did you guys get off in some apparently completely different direction here? Certainly neither of you is suggesting his slow boot has to do with his drive b

Re: [CGUYS] HDDs and vibrators was: Slow Dell startup

2009-08-22 Thread mike
We should be clear, they were talking about HD's being affected by vibration...NOT vibrators. Unless you are visiting the adult boutique and putting some purple monsters inside your computer case? On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Tony B wrote: > > > But maybe I shouldn't have said anything, and

Re: [CGUYS] HDDs and vibrators was: Slow Dell startup

2009-08-22 Thread Chris Dunford
> Certainly neither of you is suggesting his slow boot has to do with his > drive being vibrated by a fan No, they're two different issues. I have the slow-booting PC. Someone else has a system where the HDD seems to be affected by vibration from the fan. ***

[CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread b_s-wilk
OPINION AUGUST 19, 2009 Why AT&T Killed Google Voice By ANDY KESSLER Earlier this month, Apple rejected an application for the iPhone called Google Voice. The uproar set off a chain of events—Google's CEO Eric Schmidt resigning from Apple's board, and the Federal Communications Commission (F

Re: [CGUYS] HDDs and vibrators was: Slow Dell startup

2009-08-22 Thread Fred Holmes
At 10:35 AM 8/22/2009, Tony B wrote: >Certainly neither of you is suggesting his slow boot has to do with his >drive being vibrated by a fan Not directly, but fan vibration could cause an imperfect write leading to later slow reads. If the reads are part of the boot process, then the boot pr

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread Mike Sloane
I usually avoid these endless "pissing contests" that seem to occupy so much Computer Guys bandwidth. But I have two comments to Mr. Kessler's piece: 1. I don't trust anyone who used to be a hedge fund manager to give an honest opinion of anything and 2. while I am against huge profits from eit

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread TPiwowar
It is truly strange to see the WSJ arguing the benefits of a free market. This is, of course, another manifestation of the network neutrality debate. It is bad for society to allow the carriers to impose bizarre restrictions on what devices can generate data packets on their networks and

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread Mike
And also bad to charge different prices depending on what that byte carries. It is ridiculous that texting costs so much even when you have the "unlimited" data plan. Sent from my iPod On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:02 AM, TPiwowar wrote: It is truly strange to see the WSJ arguing the benefits of

Re: [CGUYS] HDDs and vibrators was: Slow Dell startup

2009-08-22 Thread Tony B
Then it's just another case of people neglecting to change the subject line. No, you will have a hard time convincing me a fan of any type could vibrate enough to cause an r/w error on a drive. But be aware - cosmic rays *can* cause errors. Not as many as 'normal' causes, but surely it happens. An

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread Tony B
Most people would probably just say "Who cares? Only elitist bastards would pay over $100/mo for a telephone anyway.". I'm not sure I agree with them, as there may actually be some people that make over $3.33 worth of telephone calls a day. What about brain surgeons? Just because they functioned pe

Re: [CGUYS] HDDs and vibrators was: Slow Dell startup

2009-08-22 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 22, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Tony B wrote: No, you will have a hard time convincing me a fan of any type could vibrate enough to cause an r/w error on a drive. But be aware - cosmic rays *can* cause errors. Not as many as 'normal' causes, but surely it happens. Anyway, that's what chkdsk is

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread mike
I have several friends who subscribe to the sprint 99 all in one plan. They do this because they keep no land line and no other connection to the internet. So figure in what you spend for land lines and your DSL/cable internet and you might just be above 100 bux. On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM

[CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread b_s-wilk
OPINION AUGUST 19, 2009 Why AT&T Killed Google Voice By ANDY KESSLER Earlier this month, Apple rejected an application for the iPhone called Google Voice. The uproar set off a chain of events—Google's CEO Eric Schmidt resigning from Apple's board, and the Federal Communications Commission (F

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread TPiwowar
Apple's response to the DOJ inquiry looks a lot more plausible than the explanations proffered by the conspiracy theorists. In a nutshell, adding Google Voice to an iPhone significantly changes the operation of the iPhone. It replaces so many of the iPhone's functions that it left Apple won

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread mike
Everything is the fault of those damn neomircrosofticons eh? How you manage to bring your made up boogey men into everything is amazing. That said the fact you back Apple is shocking...shocking! Changes the iphone so it's not an iphone...uh...yeaaah. So the FCC is investigating Apple *not* reje

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread Jeff Wright
> Apple's response to the DOJ inquiry looks a lot more plausible than > the explanations proffered by the conspiracy theorists. In a > nutshell, adding Google Voice to an iPhone significantly changes the > operation of the iPhone. It replaces so many of the iPhone's > functions that it left Apple w

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread Chris Dunford
> I have several friends who subscribe to the sprint 99 all in one plan. They > do this because they keep no land line and no other connection to the > internet. So figure in what you spend for land lines and your DSL/cable > internet and you might just be above 100 bux. Now, what the Sprint ads

[CGUYS] [Fwd: PCMag Analysis: Apple, AT&T and Google Voice]

2009-08-22 Thread b_s-wilk
*Analysis: Apple, AT&T and Google Voice* 08.21.09 by Sascha Segan PCMag.com Apple on Friday posted its response to the Federal Communications Commission's Google Voice iPhone app inquiry on their Web site, and the company finally made it clear what they have against Google Voice-type apps: Apple

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread b_s-wilk
Apple's response to the DOJ inquiry looks a lot more plausible than the explanations proffered by the conspiracy theorists. In a nutshell, adding Google Voice to an iPhone significantly changes the operation of the iPhone. It replaces so many of the iPhone's functions that it left Apple wondering

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread Jeff Wright
> I posted two different articles about the same issue. I give very little > credence to anything on the editorial page of the WSJ, but it's > certainly provocative--and narrow-minded. Consider the header, using > "Kill" instead of a more accurate description. AT&T isn't dying, it's > SBC, an inces

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread Jeff Wright
> Apple's response to the DOJ inquiry looks a lot more plausible than > the explanations proffered by the conspiracy theorists. In a > nutshell, adding Google Voice to an iPhone significantly changes the > operation of the iPhone. It replaces so many of the iPhone's > functions that it left Apple w

[CGUYS] iMac problem

2009-08-22 Thread Jordan
My 2 year old intel iMac won't boot. I got a grey kernel crash screen yesterday, but it restarted and ran fine in the evening so I didn't take any time to investigate. This evening it started strangely, displayed properly, but would not run Eye TV. I tried to restart it and now all it does is p

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread Eric S. Sande
In other words, there is strong evidence that Apple is, well, lying. Why would you expect anything different from any corporation. It is about profits. Trust me, the only thing that matters is rhe money. If you "feel good" about a corporation it's because you were deluded by advertising. If

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread db
So if you are using Google voice across the data plan as you describe does that essentially free you from the expensive daytime minutes restriction? Can you get a cell phone with a data plan AND WITHOUT a talk plan? db Jeff Wright wrote: I posted two different articles about the same issue.

[CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?

2009-08-22 Thread db
An uncle of mine who lives by himself and just bought his first computer... a new Leopard iMac... reported that there were mysterious windows showing on his desktop when he would wake the computer up to check his email (He doesn't turn it off...). I live on the opposite side of the country so

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread Jeff Wright
> So if you are using Google voice across the data plan as you describe > does that essentially free you from the expensive daytime minutes > restriction? I don't know the specific details. You'd have to contact TM. > Can you get a cell phone with a data plan AND WITHOUT a talk plan? Soon, you

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread Jeff Wright
> It is about profits. Trust me, the only thing that matters is rhe > money. Oh, no question. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. > If a product is good it will stand on its own. Agreed. * ** List info, subscription manageme

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why AT&T Killed Google Voice

2009-08-22 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Verizon has also gone this route and therefore I am on my last smartphone. Stewart At 12:20 AM 8/23/2009, you wrote: > So if you are using Google voice across the data plan as you describe > does that essentially free you from the expensive daytime minutes > restriction? I don't know the spec